Monitoring Leaders From The Streets

Protesting in front of Singha Durbar
In front of Singha Durbar: Nepali people are constantly pressurizing to their leaders who have assumed the responsibility of fulfilling their aspirations. Pics by Wagle

The best thing about democracy is that it lets people have their say. Another hallmark is that the folks at the government can’t stop people from raising their voices. Here is an example. Protests right in front of the gate of Singha Durbar yesterday and today signal the arrival of free days. In the days of autocracy of king Gyanendra, the government declared many places of Kathmandu restricted for public demonstrations. No one could have even imagined of protesting freely at the west gate of Singha Durbar like hundreds of protesters did yesterday and this afternoon. This right to protest really makes difference.

Protesting in front of Singha Durbar

These are the people who fought for freedom and now they are warning their own government to work for people. They were carrying placards that said not to promote corrupt politicians, not to forget the agendas of the Jana Andolaan (Peoples’ Movement). And of course, they were saying that all they want is to see Nepal without monarchy. Here are a few images from today’s gathering in front of Singha Durbar.

Protesting in front of Singha Durbar

Protesting in front of Singha Durbar

Protesting in front of Singha Durbar


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  1. Bhudai Pundit Avatar
    Bhudai Pundit

    Mr. Kastur:
    I hope you are not mocking me. But thank you… however, I am not in need of a job at this point…

  2. kastur Avatar
    kastur

    This Kirar guy is Insane. Gopal Khumbu or Gore BDR Khapangi, we have seen how they work and what they work for. It takes another 50 years for so called Janajati to catch of with the rest unless they come out with this affirmative things. All are equal and judgement based on qualification not on cast creed etc…

  3. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Pundit, I was talking about attracting good, competent peple to the government bureaucracy and lessening their need for accepting bribes by starting off with providing them with good salaries. Ofcourse other things need to be done too-like simplying rules and regulations etc. Without an efficient and competent administration even democracy will fail in moving the country forward.

  4. kp Avatar
    kp

    How about NGO’s and the media.
    Let me give you first hand knowledge of how these two run.

    Say I am a fellow from a village in West Nepal, I have just given my SLC, there are many people like me all over the country and in my village as well. The media hire people like me for Rs. 450 – Rs. 900 for every article I send in to the media.They expect about two a month. So if there is no news I either create news to earn my keeps or these days maoists will also approach me to write this or that. No verification required.
    Media in urban centres print anything sensational I send and print it as news.
    On the other hand NGO’s and humnan rights people who stay in cities will verify any purported abuses through people like me. I say what I have to, then they will also ask for a secong opinion from my area, so I refer them to another chap like me who is also my pal. This is how they verify and then officially print it in their international reports.

  5. hari sharma Avatar

    Kirat,
    Being in Nepal does not warrant the justification for your claims. I lived most of my life in Nepal and I am equally aware of such issues. All I am asking is how does 30% of seats to lower caste improve the general scenario? And it comes at a huge cost to the nation.
    My point is that there should be equality of opportunities. Who are we to decide who gets what? Let the individual talents decide it. If there should be administration reforms to make sure the best gets the job, make them. But, inequality of wealth or current status does not justify the means you are proposing. Let the market decide who gets what.
    Slightly off the line but here is how market performs the best and why we should not involve central planning. It is a bit difficult to understand in general but still here is a summary from the essay by Hayek.(copied from my blog)

    In “The Use of Knowledge in Society” Hayek argues that the knowledge required for rational allocation of resources can never exist in concentrated form, knowledge is dispersed among the individuals in the society instead. Market system acts as a medium of communication to allocate the resources in the best way possible. So, the central planning of an economy by an individual or a group can never lead to efficient allocation of resources.

    Hayek believes that each individual possess unique information, the knowledge of particular circumstances of time and place, essential for the best utilization of resources. The information available to all these individuals is never available to a single mind. Hence, the decision made by the central planners is based on imperfect information. The advantages of the knowledge that individuals have can be realized only if they are allowed to make the decisions or if they are allowed to participate actively in the decision making process. This entails that decentralization is essential if one is to make efficient use of available resources.

    The need for decentralization is warranted by the fact that not all information can enter into the world of statistics. The statistics are unable to capture all the changes. This inability to adapt to changes in a central planning system warrants the need for market forces where price acts as the medium of communication among various economic agents. This is the only way the essential information is transmitted to the individuals who need it for efficient resource allocation.

  6. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Kastur, name me one bahun or chettri leader in the present set up that anyone can be proud of. For every one Gore Khapangi I will give you ten Chiranjeevi Wagles’, ten Govinda Raj Joshi’s and ten Bal Bahadur KCs, OK? People who would sell their own country for a few lakhs! By the way I ain;t

  7. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    “Ensure that all public servants including judiciary, army, administrative, diplomatic etc are provided a good salary and other benefits so that they don’t have an excuse to accept bribes and are financially well looked after. Review and revise this salary every two years. Remember the famous ‘if you pay peanuts you get monkeys’? ”

    Are you talking about reform of kathmandu or the whole Nepal????

    There are many people in Nepal that donot have any “job” . There are many people in Nepal who have not even seen any money in their lifetime.

    So, our priority should be those ones who are starving scrathing the bare soil.
    Of course having well-fulfilled people is a good thing(which we want to achieve in the long run), but priority is the point.

    Our civil servants when compared with those of US or Japan seem so poor. but we should not forget that those are among the most fortunates ones of this nation, the second poorest in the world.( a school teacher and a hawaldar are among the richest in their villages)
    We all nepalese are family , so we have to give up some pleasures for the sake of our less fortunate siblings.
    (the rule applies to the world as well)

    Being rich is not the solution of everything.
    prosperity is a relative thing.

    “Discrimation, not poverty is the cause of civil war. “

  8. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    hari sharma-why can’t you understand that there is at present no equal opportunity in Nepal for other than bahuns, chettris and thakuri’s? Are you that thick?

  9. hari sharma Avatar

    Dude,
    so work for equality of opportunities. Do not freak around with affirmative action which is a discrimination against the upper caste people.
    There should not be any discrimination. This is what I meant to say all along.

  10. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    hari sharma, I don’t know why I bother with idiot’s like you anyway. Just read you last comment! What a fatuous remark!

  11. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    why some people assume that brahmins and chettris males are most forward and fulfilled in this nation because they are naturally smarter,better with bigger brains, naturally born to win?????
    why?????
    this nation has done a great conspiracy against dalits, janajati, madheses and mahila.

    they have been disadvataged and have their start line dragged far behind.
    So nation and administration should make the provision of quota for all those disadvantaged ones till they have their start point paralleled with rest.
    Then only there will be the real competition.

  12. chankhe2 Avatar
    chankhe2

    I dont believe in quotas. But, I can guarantee you that if the selection process is done professionally without nepotism, favaouratism or bribes, this 30% suggestion will easily be filled by people from the marginalised group. Brahmins etc,. are only in these positions because of favouritism not because they are qualified. All the govt. has to do is streamline the selection. We need dedicated and hard working people in the govt. services. How many do we know in the current services who are that?
    If on the other hand if we allow quotas, these positions will be filled by the marginilised people who have the money to buy the positions and who kiss the assess of the powers that be. Let the selection be natural and I have full faith in the marginilised groups that they may not only fill 30% but 40% of the positions.

  13. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Look at hari, he actually believes he his ‘upper caste’ and others are ‘lower caste’ what a sick hypocrite!

  14. chankhe2 Avatar
    chankhe2

    The one bad effect of proper competition and thereby the loss of jobs for many Brahmins will obviously be the creation of more rougues like Baburam Bhattarai and Prachanda leave alone the Girija’s and Makune’s. However, the good side to it will be that they will only be talking, because they will not have the marginalised groups to do all the dirty jobs for them, like killing and looting, because they will have the jobs and the powers thaty go with it so they cannot be exploited by these pundits.

  15. Kiran Koirala, Berlin Avatar
    Kiran Koirala, Berlin

    Letter to editor sent to Nepalkhabar.com

    Dear Sir,

    I am a regular reader of your web site. Would you please publish my opinion regarding the constituent assembly in your online edition? I hope you will give space for different opinion as I think you believe on professional journalism and democracy.

    My Opinion:
    It is the historical mistake and the biggest blunder political parties have now done by unanimously approving the constituent assembly in the parliament. Maoists are emerging as clear winner and loser are political parties and of course the king. This decision for the parties is like “destroying your own house while living inside it”. Maoists are outside the house, living very safely and now clapping for the destruction of other’s house. It paves the way for Maoists to achieve their ultimate goal of communist republic. With this decision, ultimately parties and king, both, suffer huge because they are the only forces inside the house. In fact, with this decision not only the king but also the democratic parties, especeally Nepali Congress, are defeated in long run political war in Nepal. Maoists have nothing to lose in constituent assembly because they were never inside the present constitution but political parties and king would lose large if Maoists sweep the election and decide to write communist constitution. They can do nothing if such results come because it would be the verdict of people. The democratic countries like India, USA, and EU should remain as spectators and could do nothing if people opt for communist republic state. Most probably UML would be also integrated with Maoists because they have been utilizing this constitution just to achieve their ultimate goal of communism. Then Nepal once again goes for another struggle like Afgan people are doing until now. In Afganisthan after the abdication of then king in late 70s, communists took control for years then religious extremists. Finally foreign powers are indirectly controlling their politics and people have to struggle for years. Ultimately with all these events who will lose? People.

  16. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    chanke2
    it’s good thing that u believe on competence of marginalised people.
    but who told u in quota system ,the positions will be filled by the marginilised people who have the money to buy the positions and who kiss the assess of the powers that be.

    making provision of fair quota system will be easier than provision of ‘selection process done professionally without nepotism, favaouratism or bribes,’.

    why people make bahanas of technical problems when the problem is a strategical one???
    why people make bahanas of constitutional problems when the problem is a political one???

  17. Layman Avatar
    Layman

    I am not also in favour of reservation of jobs. People should come on the basis of their merit. But the selection must be impariel 100 percent.Even the Public Service Commission is not hundred percent impartiel. Let us not talk about Govt. corporations. They are full of relatives of powerful people.

    At the same time, the big economic package should be implemented in the Janajati, Dalits areas and other disadvantaged section of the people.Like enough schools, health services and other facilities such as safe drinking waters etc. But In Nepal, it is easier said than done. Even if you make KIRAT the most powerful PM, he will not succeed, if he succeeds, it will be very negligible success. There are so many people in Nepal who are like vultures for money who will never give you the peaceful days and nights.

  18. replytoall Avatar
    replytoall

    i come from a clear minority… and i dont really feel amused to see the bahuns filling all the posts and postion there is….

    but i do not believe in the quota system at all.. that is just total bull crap to ask for or get position just because u happen to be from a specific caste or gender… to get the post or position one has to be qualified and has to prove oneself capable… the same applies to bahuns too,..like the way it is currently in nepal that only bahuns hold the position because they happen to have the right connection is bull… that should not happen at all and should be immediately changed…

    the person from the minority may or should be given preference on the basis of their qualification but Quota that is another total crap.

  19. shree 6 Avatar

    If Girija will go to India this time he will sell Karnali River or Sunkoshi Diversion to India.
    India helps to make unstable Nepal when they needs to get something from Nepal.
    If India needs to buy water from Nepal, they will need to spend billions of dollors. and everybody should remember that there is no alternate to water.
    Even Indian states bargain with each other to give water of one state to another.
    India will make sure benefits from present situation in Nepal

  20. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    All those not in favour of reservations for jobs-I understand where you are coming from-I acknowledge that it has it’s drawbacks. But it has it’s advantages too-what hari, chanke and Layman have proposed as an alternative are even more difficult to implement.

    Besides a lot of you guys have expressed fears that quotas will lead to a. incompetent bureaucrats b. racial disharmony. You guys could not be more wrong – to say that janjatis, dalits are less competent just shows how racist you guys are. Besides how more incompetent can the present administration run by bahuns get? It’s already at it’s nadir. Your second argument is completely bogus. The fact is that at present more racial disharmony is being created by excluding 70% of the Nepali population from the mainstream. You think this 70% of the population is going to keep quiet for long? Better address this problem now before Nepal becomes another Rwanda!

  21. Layman Avatar
    Layman

    I am not fearing that if reservations are implemented in Nepal, all incompetent people will come to the administration. It is because, by such practice the principles of basic human rights and democracy are undermined. All must have equality and must enjoy equal opportunity before the law.

  22. replytoall Avatar
    replytoall

    hey yo bra… i am a kirat myself and i happen to be a janajati too… and i too have the wish to see me and my people go up the ladder… i aint no racist to my own people….how can one be racist to oneself… i dont wake up in the morning and think o i am a yakthumba and i am incompetent….

    quota system is total crap…. giving preference might be a way but the quota reserved for somebody specifically is total bull…just like just being a bahun should not be the rewquiremetnt to hold a post same with the janajatis….. quota system is no solution… education is….

  23. surakorn Avatar
    surakorn

    only a battle was won – who will win the war?

  24. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    hey reply to all. you are one of those janjatis who turn your back on their own people just because you yourself come from a privileged background and are embarrased by the word quota. Do you know that janjatis and dalits have suffered hundreds of years of discrimination? Do you think the effects of that discrimination can be addressed with words like equal opportunity? Do you know how hard it is for our janjati people from the villages just to be fully conversant in the Nepali khas-kura language let alone be very good at reading and writing it? You people with wish-washy ideas about ‘equal opportunity’ and ‘no positive discrimination’ with all your false pride sicken me. The bahuns have been given over two hundreds years of a head start, is that fair?

  25. Layman Avatar
    Layman

    Another phenomenon in Neplai administration is that leaders and the King in the past were promoting and giving all sorts of extra power to the people they personally liked in the administration and police. Military was the property of the King till now. Let us not talk about it.

    Now one DIG is doing the rounds of the houses and party offices for his promortion and protection of his job. It is a shame. This man must be a shameless creature. Now we have to see who will protect him.

    Why he is doing this ? Because it is the culture in Nepal. If congress comes to power, people have to go to NC HQ or Maharajganj, if UML comes to power, one has to go to Koteswor or Balkhu and they got whatever they like. The leaders were the ones who nurtured and developed this culture.

    Let us talk about our beloved Chief Secretary. How he became chief Secretary ? He was brought by the then King to the Raj Sabha by hukum pramangi as under secretary.He does not know the exams done by PSC to become a civil servant.He will not pass even a Subba exam.

    When Mahesh became, he forcefully transferred this guy to the Ministry of Finanace. The Public Service Commission was also the servant of the Congress at that time. It gave the favourable counsell to this decision. Because, the Raja Shabha civil servant had no provision to be transferred to any other Govt service. All the congressi were united to make him Joint Secretary by giving him full marks and giving others the lowest marks to others using tipex in the performance eveluation sheet.It was because he was a regular financial contributor to the Congressi coffers.Now the King again made him the CS.

    Now I would like to see what Girija will do to this man ?

    Whole point of narrating the whole story is that the leaders should not give any preferance to any civil servant or police on the basis of the personal relations, benefit, party benefit etc.When these pepole come to their doors, they should scold them and must turn them away. It is the only way to make new Nepal a corruptionless society. This also should be checked by the civil society and the pepole.Oops !!! What a country ? What a people ?

  26. Layman Avatar
    Layman

    Fifth para first line : when Mahesh became Minister of State for Finance…

  27. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    Just in case people assume that bahuns and chettris are the only competent guys.

    In world arena ,Nepal is proud of:

    1> Gorkhas, world’s best army (primarily composed of janajatis)
    2> Sherpas, world’s best climbers

    but nepal is ashamed of it’s politicians and beurocracy (all bahuns and chettris)

  28. Surendra Bhandari Avatar
    Surendra Bhandari

    Hi Kirat,
    Since few days back I am regularly reading you. You seem a good analyst and a succient speaker. Hereby, I would like to request you to post an article on blog. Don’t talk all things at once so that it will be very difficult to move ahead. I want to actively participate in a conversation to you on the matter, pls. come off with an article and provide your point of views systematically.

    Surendra

  29. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    hey who is the one squeking upper caste?
    hari, even if u feel that u r upper caste, please keep your ridiculous pride with yourself, these things seem so silly and funny in this blog where we are discussing abt ‘New Nepal’.
    please, don’t embarass yourself telling such things.

  30. Thomas A. Marks Avatar
    Thomas A. Marks

    UWB: We strongly reject the following comment of Thomas A. Marks that insults the people of Nepal by using derogatory terms to the Peoples’ Movement. We approved the text here because we defend his right to say so.

    Why Mao? Tragedy on hold in Nepal. Why it matters beyond Kathmandu
    By Thomas A. Marks

    In Nepal, the last-minute restoration of parliament by King Gyanendra has temporarily put on hold the street drama that threatened to become a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions. In scenes that could pass for Paris of several weeks ago, mobs dominated by rootless young men threw themselves at the security forces in support of “democracy.”

    Even the interested powers found themselves helpless, none more than India, which actually set the present riots in motion through an alliance it brokered between the main legal parties of the Seven Party Alliance (SPA) and the insurgent Maoists (collectively known as “SPAM” no kidding). Other key players (the United States, Britain, and China) likewise found themselves sidelined.

    The Players
    The goals of the SPAM leadership are confused with the motivation of these mobs. Leaders of the SPA, universally vilified in their previous lives as corrupt and ineffective, have risen, Phoenix-like, as champions of democracy. They have done this by making a bargain with the devil, the insurgents of the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist).

    It is the Maoists who have most to gain should the SPA falter. The former have played both internal and external foes like a fiddle. Having built their bloody insurgency by exploiting weakness of the reforming but imperfect ancient regime, they now plan to present themselves as the forces of the restored parliament.

    Completely forgotten is that it was the politicians of SPA who created the constitutional crisis by dissolving parliament – a consequence of their endless feuds. They then proved incapable of holding elections to restore the status quo. When the monarch endeavored to do so, polls were boycotted by SPA and attacked by the Maoists. Foreign embassies and organizations, pursuing their own narrow designs, encouraged this boycott.

    Now galvanized with false calls to action is the parliament of the streets, the disenfranchised masses of a desperately poor country whose population (25 million) has exceeded the carrying capacity of the land, yet remains overwhelmingly rural, under 19 years of age, and without options. As the urban lumpen riot, their rural counterparts are mobilized by the guerrillas. What all share is a misguided notion that somehow their struggles will bring them better lives.

    A bandwagon effect has brought even the gainfully employed but politically adrift onto the streets. “Peace now” and “republic” are the cries. What will happen when they discover it’s all a shell game is anyone’s guess.

    Facing them is the remnants of a regime not nearly the cads of the charges but guilty enough of political ineptitude and strategic miscalculation. Possibly the best of the bunch are the security forces. These, however, have been thoroughly tarred by the human rights cartel as the main enemies of the people, which they most certainly are not.

    No matter what happens, the current chaos and destruction has produced only two winners: the Maoists and India, both of whom played key roles in setting events in motion.

    From the Maoist Playbook Having declared a “ceasefire inside the Kathmandu Valley,” thus to gain the media “spin” that necessarily comes from “peaceful protestors” being “attacked,” the Maoists have proceeded elsewhere in the country to attack positions. Though rebuffed thus far, they see this as their moment.

    Maoist cadre have been prominent in insuring that urban protest daily turns to riot. Large caches of explosives have been unearthed by the security forces, and Maoist combatants have been apprehended – and revealed their marching orders to insure that the violence escalates and that no compromise is successful.

    That the foreign media (with the help of the anti-government sectors in the Nepali media) persist in calling what has occurred “peaceful protest” only demonstrates how thoroughly detached they are from the reality of the people’s war approach. The same might be said of the various INGOs, who have not so subtly worked against the government.

    From the Maoist perspective, they have adopted a “win/win” course of action: no matter what actually happens, they will benefit. They expect the restored Parliament to bring them into the governing structure, though they have not been tested at the polls. And their blockade of Kathmandu and other urban centers continues.

    Role of India
    India’s role in the present upheaval remains to be untangled, but no one who was in Sri Lanka in July 1987, as I was, can overlook the startling similarities. Then, the Indian invasion, conveniently disguised as the IPKF (Indian Peace Keeping Force), was but the culmination of half a decade of support for Tamil insurgents/terrorists that New Delhi thought it could “manage.”

    This time around, in last half of 2005, New Delhi’s shaky ruling coalition (in a parliamentary system) allowed left wing and irredentist members to hijack its Nepal policy. The Seven Party Alliance (SPA) and the Maoists (M) were brought together in New Delhi, promised Indian support, and given the green light to pursue a coordinated assault upon the Nepali government.

    The motives for such conduct were several. Most importantly, the parties of SPA owe their very existence historically (and apparently slices of their funding) to India. They toe the line when required to do so.

    In contrast, the present king, Gyanendra, has increasingly rebuffed Indian positions and advice while simultaneously inviting assistance from other powers, particularly the US, Pakistan, and China. By exploiting strategic unease of hegemonists in the Indian ruling party, ideologues, notably those of the legal left (who are important swing votes), were able to assist their Marxist comrades in Nepal in ways they dream of doing (but dare not) in India itself.

    Certain elements of the Indian power structure, notably the military, have been astonished at the strategic myopia involved in destabilizing Nepal further even as India itself grapples with its own growing Maoist challenge. Ultimately, they may have interjected just enough common sense into the process to change the equation. India did play a salutary role in damping the escalating street violence.

    Where to?
    As irony would have it, it is the growing amicability of India and the U.S. which has served as the strategic cover for New Delhi to bring Kathmandu to heel. This leads directly to the obvious question: Why should the U.S. care what happens in Nepal?

    Any number of tangible reasons could be advanced, from geostrategic position smack in the midst of India, Pakistan, China, and Southeast Asia/Bangladesh; to the world’s second-largest-proven hydropower reserves in the same power-hungry neighborhood.

    More important, though, is the intangible. That Nepal is so poor only highlights the reality that a democratic market economy has been ripped asunder by Maoist insurgency and terrorism. It sends a powerful negative message when other democracies do so little to assist, or, as with India, actually profit from (and exploit) the bloodshed.

    For the moment, this is water under the bridge. Recriminations must not drive events but action.

    Time and again it has been the fact that the Maoists could not preordain the outcome of democratic rough and tumble that led to them returning to their terror. If they now take a genuine step to participate in the compromise at hand, that is well. If not, the powers should throw their weight squarely behind Nepal’s battered but still struggling democracy.

  31. Bideshi Avatar
    Bideshi

    The corruption must stop. If potential leaders can be identified who care only about the good of Nepal and Nepalis, and not filling their own foreign bank accounts with money meant for the nation, they must be backed for leadership to the utmost. We need selfless idealists who have strong character and courage (they will certainly need that) to lead the nation. The old ways must pass away, “afno manche” must end, corrupt politicians and officials must be rooted out, eliminated and punished. People must be able to have faith in their nation’s leaders. A total change must occur. It will be painful for us all but is absolutely necessary.

  32. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Hi Surendra, thank you for the kind words. I am afraid I have said so much in my posts that I fear I shall be repeating myself. However I shall try to be more systematic in putting forth my arguments.

  33. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    Monarchy should be uprooted.
    It has great symbolical advantage besides democratic,economic,etc etc.

    monarchy is the emblem of ‘feudalism’,’fatalism’, ‘daas manobritti’.
    Once monarchy is gone, all the people who are now loud with their support to such ‘caste nonsense’: (somebody’s worth is measured by their birth than deeds, somebody is king because he is son of king) will have their foundation gone.

    so, even if king is ceremonial , without claws and teeth ,this whole mess about king should be finished.

    even when a king is ceremonial, he is very dangerous to a country like ours.

  34. chankhe2 Avatar
    chankhe2

    Taya and Kirat,

    Do you really think that the Brahmins et al who fill the positions right now are more competent then Brahmins et al who may have applied for the post but have not got it? Even among the Brahmins et al the ones who as I said kiss ass, bribe or are favoured due to their political or blood connections get the job. There is no competence there. Similarly, even if minorities are given the quota you will end up with the minorities who are not necessarily competent but I stick firmly to my view that it will be the one’s who suck up to or benefit the powers that be.
    The only way is for an open competition.

    Let’s look at this in a homogenous state of mind. After all who would like their country to be run by incompetent people brought in through the quota system? What is the difference than between the present incompetent lot and the one proposed here? Is’nt the most important factor that we have the best possible people for these jobs. Before you go ape shit on my comments, please re read my earlier comments and I stand by my argument that if the competition is open and streamlined, we will still end up with more than the 30% from minority groups, and further the other lot (Brahmins et al)will also be a better selection, because I don’t know about you but I believe that they will be more competent then the present bunch of jokers.

    After all what are we talking about here? A competition for positions in govt., there are too few jobs and too many heads, and I don’t believe that there are’nt enough highly qualified people amongst the minorities who not only can fill these jobs but will get it through open competition.

  35. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    chankhe, I get your point about getting competent people for the administration that is why I said in my previous post that the administrative machinery needs a complete overhaul along with the Public Services Commission. That is also why I said legislation must be passed to stop politicos arbitarily transferring and promoting whomsoever they like. There must be proper rules and regulations regarding transfers and promotions of bureaucrats and politicos should be given undue influence in this matter. I also said they should receive good salaries which would encourage the brighter people to join the civil services.

    My view on affirmative action still stands-it has more advantages then disadvantages in bringing a better balance to our very fragmented society.

  36. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    typo please read ‘politicos should not be given undue influence..’

  37. Bideshi Avatar
    Bideshi

    Affirmative action does not work! It only succeeds in putting less capable people in responsible positions and making for less competent decision making. The only criterion for selection should be qualifications and experience, not quotas and certainly not connections. Aphno manche must end.

  38. Bideshi Avatar
    Bideshi

    Make that CHARACTER, qualifications and experience. Corruption must end.

  39. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Oh yeah bideshi? You are probably ignorant about the situation in Nepal or just a racist saying it will put less competent people in the administration. No one is saying that janjatis are less competent.Because the way this whole socio-political system has been set up for the past two hundred years janjatis and dalits have been disadvantaged! For years the sanskritization of the educational system meant that only brahmins had access to it. After two hundred years of discrimination and placing our janjatis at a very disadvantageous position now you guys want to hide behind the guise of competency? Competency isn’t even the issue here-discrimination is!

  40. Bideshi Avatar
    Bideshi

    “Ignorant”, “rascist”, how easliy these words come to your pen when an opinion different from your own is offered. I have been concerned about Nepal’s welfare and future for more years than you have likely been alive. I understand and sympathize with your eagerness to have minorities represented, but capable leaders are what Nepal needs urgently now, not token minority represntatives. One of the most capable, earnest and intelligent men I know is a Manandhar.

  41. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    (repeating my previous post)

    chanke and gang,
    what makes u think that that brahmins and chettris are most forward and fulfilled in this nation because they are naturally smarter,better with bigger brains, naturally born to win?????

    real competition is there when two people start from the same start-line.
    minoritis and female have been disadvataged and have their start line dragged far behind.
    So nation and administration should make the provision of quota for all those disadvantaged ones till they have their start point paralleled with rest.
    Then only there will be the real competition.

  42. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    in our eng college, there is provision of quoata for women and men look down women as less competent ones.

    but in most faculties, women emerge toppers and overall performance of women is far far better than men.

    give the chance and see the difference.

  43. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    moreover most women get employed and get chance for further studies.

    almost all foreign colleges have reservations for women. are they so stupid to educate less competent species?????

  44. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Err, bideshi, I will call people who make racist statements a racist ok? Thanks but who cares about your concerns for our welfare when after so many years of ‘concern’ you still imply that janjatis are somewhat incompetent. Ignorant? You sort of proved it with your replies. And if you’re probably white, probably anglo-saxon I understand why you are against affirmative action. By the way please don’t be so patronizing about the Manandhar gentleman(I think I know who you are talking about)-he doesn’t need that-all he needs is a level playing ground. If it is the same Manandhar guy that you are talking about he should have been made head of the institution he works for years ago instead of watching a procession of idiotic you know who’s become his boss.

  45. Bideshi Avatar
    Bideshi

    A vital point Tanya. Women’s rights (or rather the lack of them) has helped fuel the Maoist ranks. Another critical issue (and the most difficult) is land ownership/distribution. A wiser than Solomon will be required to solve these divisive issues. Nepal needs inspired and courageous leadership.

  46. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    some people donot want to see the truth when it is laying bare in front of their eyes.

    some people donot want to believe the truth even when that is such an established one .

    because some lies give u benefit and for some truths u have to forsake your personal greed.

    these chanke gang are also trying to be blind to the truth about quota because they are afraid that will reap away their ‘halimuhali’ in the power and wealth of this nation.

  47. Bideshi Avatar
    Bideshi

    Taaya, excuse me (not Tanya).

  48. Bideshi Avatar
    Bideshi

    For Kirat. a purely philosophical question: why would a white Anglo-Saxon rascist consider any Nepali of any caste or tribe superior to another?

  49. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    for Bideshi : the Devil would quote the Scriptures if it served his purpose.

  50. Taaya Avatar
    Taaya

    bideshi

    having a good leader is an important thing and developing a platform to creat leaders is even more important.

    so quota system, because some good leader of tomorrow might be spending her lifetime in ‘ghas daura ‘ today.
    some good visonary might be in arab doing the gatekeeping now.

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