Ethnic Federalism in Nepal is a Recipe for Disaster

Ethnic Groups and Race Based Federalism: A Recipe for Disaster for Nepal

By Khagendra Thapa

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” It seems that Nepal has no leader who can speak out the truth and not just repeat like a parrot what the Maoists comrades have been saying ever since the SPA came to power with the blessings from the Comrades as well as our friendly neighbor to the south.

With the untimely death of the 1990 constitution, the Seven Party Alliance (SPA) and their comrades the Maoists together code named as SPAM have claimed to represent all the people of Nepal and the interest of the Nepalese people whether the people like it or not. SPAs claim to represent the people because they were elected more than seven years ago. The Maoists comrades claim to represent the people because they have been able to coerce the people to support them by intimidation, extortion, armed kidnapping, and cheap slogans. Together the SPAs and the Maoists, the so called SPAM have become the most powerful political force or so they claim. With the mighty Prime Minister Mr. Girija Koirala in the driving seat and his Comrade Prachanda in the front seat together with all the heroes of Janandolan II and eleven years old insurgency veterans, the bus carrying the Interim Constitution was in motion. Unfortunately, the arrogance of SPAM was challenged by both the Terai residents (Madhesi Group) and the Janajatis. The Interim constitution also made provision to form an interim parliament with the addition of 83 Maoists and 48 other members who are part of SPAM. After all, the scrapping of the old constitution may not have been an excellent idea.

Lack of Patriotic and Visionary Leadership

It is indeed very sad for the people of Nepal that there is not a single national level patriotic and visionary leader with clean image. Right now, Mr. Girija Koirala is the leader of SPAM. However, Mr. Koirala is not accepted by all the people. First of all, he is the leader of the half Congress party. The other half of the Congress party is led by Mr. Deuba. Mr. Koirala’s behavior during the Tanakpur Treaty with India and his lack of interest to safeguard the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the country puts a question mark on his patriotism. In addition, Mr. Koirala as a Head of State and Head of Government failed to express his opposition to the encroachment of Nepalese territory in various border areas by India including in Kalapani, Susta, Illam, Jhapa. Saptari, Banke and Bardia. In fact, even the Ranas who ruled the country for 104 years were more patriotic than any of the SPAM leadership. For example, during the British Rule of India, Nepal maintained all even numbered borders and the Brirish maintained all the odd numbered pillars every year. That kind of border maintenance was abandoned both by multiparty rulers and Panchayati rulers.

Secondly, Mr. Koirala does not have a clean image. His involvement in various scandals during the time he was prime minister for the major part of multiparty government from 1990 to 2001. In fact, Mr. Koirala refused to present himself to the court when he was summoned by the court on corruption charges.

Thirdly, Mr. Koirala does not have any vision or any other plan to develop and help the country and the people. He is a happy camper as long as he is in power.

Fourthly, majority of the leaders of all political parties do not have clean image. Many of them have been involved with corruption, nepotism, favoritism, and influence peddling. Some of them even have criminal records including murder.

How about the Maoists Comrades? What kind of credibility do they have? Well, as we all know 13,000 Nepalese people lost their lives as a direct result of the so called people’s war started by the Maoists insurgents. Another 26,000 committed suicide because they could not bear the pain and suffering caused by the war. Over a million people were internally displaced. Many more people left the country in total despair without any hope for themselves and for their children. Today, there are hundreds of thousands of Nepalese people working as laborers (often doing the most dangerous and life threatening jobs which nobody else would do) in many Gulf countries as well as in Malaysia and South Korea.

Several millions if not billions of dollars of worth infrastructure including government offices, schools, transmission towers, bridges, roads, etc have been destroyed. All this happened because of the people’s war. The comrades must take the responsibility for the injustices done to the people. So these Maoists leaders whose hands are stained with the blood of the people are also intoxicated with the blood of the 13,000 Nepalese people. Therefore, it would be an exercise in futility to expect any thing good from these self proclaimed leaders who got where they are today with the use of guns and bombs and also with a little bit of help from the extremely friendly neighbor in the south.

According to Sobhakar Parajuli (Kathmandu Post, Feb,. 28, 2007) “The Maoists spread a reign of terrorism in villages and urban areas. They have yet to return the property of innocent people seized during their so-called people’s war. They continue to extort money and threaten the villagers. Madi ambush is still fresh among the relatives of those killed. Now Prachanda regrets that it was their mistake when he was aware of the fact that traveling in the bus were innocent passengers. Such regretting words do not convince the people. Rather, Prachanda appears cruel and inhumane in the eyes of the common people.”

Well then, are there any other leaders in the SPAM or any other political parties who have long term plan to lift the nation out of poverty, illiteracy, hunger, disease, and outdated caste system? Do any of them have a way to stop the exploitation of the poor and destitute people from the clutches of feudal landlords and crooked business man? Unfortunately, the answer is no.

All these leaders are chanting the same Mantra as the Maoists Comrades. For example, the comrades have been chanting the mantra of Federalism and Constituency Assembly (CA) elections and every one of the leaders both inside and outside SPAM chant the same mantra without even understanding what does constituency assembly or Federalism mean? What are the long term implications of these activities? Does Federalism lead us to a better future? Or it would lead to the fragmentation of the nation thereby multiplying the interethnic conflicts. Would it help us to provide better education to our children? Would it help us to provide better health care to our people? Would it help us to improve the well being of our people? Would it improve the standard of living our people? Would it help us to maintain the peaceful relationship among our multiethnic and multi linguistic people? If so please tell us exactly how it would happen. Is it magical in nature? Does it mean that as soon as the King is exiled or executed and CA elections held and Federalism established, Nepal will turn into another heaven?

People want to know what your plan for economic development is. What are the SPAM plans for education, healthcare, environmental issues, and exploitation of the poor people? Every dissident group is in a destructive mood right now. The infrastructure that was built by donations or borrowed money has been destroyed by our comrades as well as others who think they deserve a bigger piece of existing pie. No one wants to work to increase the size of the pie so that every one will have enough.

What kind of Leader Do Nepalese People Want?

Unfortunately, Nepal never had a visionary leader who puts personal interests above political party interests and national interests above political party interests. None have shown any vision for the future of the nation. No leader has been acceptable to all ethnic groups and people of different political affiliations. If we are to build our nation strong and prosperous we need to have political leader who has the following characteristics:

1. Since Nepal is a multi-ethnic nation where no group is in majority, we need a leader who is completely unbiased and can get along with people of all regions and ethnic backgrounds irrespective of their culture, language, political affiliations and caste. In other words, the leader must be able to live and work with Kamis, or Sarkis, or Sherpas, or Tharus, or Danuwar, or Satars, or Limbus, etc. This can only happen if the leader has the interests of the people and the nation above his/her personal interests.

2. People need a leader who has high moral and ethical standards and as such s/he has the ability to tell others to follow high ethical and moral values.

3. The leader must also be motivating and charismatic so that s/he can influence the people and motivate them to work hard to improve their own livelihood and neighborhood.

4. The leader must also possess a clear sense of purpose (or mission) – clear goals – focus – commitment.

5. The leader must also be able to work with others and be highly optimistic and results oriented

6. Ability to encourage and nurture others so that s/he can make a difference in the lives of the people.

7. Ability to understand what others say, rather than listening to how they say things. One could partly sum this quality up as “ability to walk in someone else’s shoes” Or know where the shoe pinches.

8. The leader must be able to display a passion for, and have a strong conviction of, what they regard as the moral correctness of their vision. They engage in outstanding or extraordinary behavior and make extraordinary self-sacrifices in the interest of their vision and mission.

9. The leader must be inspirational and communicate with people in an understandable way and live by example. S/he must have high self confidence, determination and persistence.

10. The leader must have ability to delegate authority to reliable and competent people.

The question is do we have any leaders who display even five of the above qualities? You be the judge.

Culture of Death, Destruction, and Violence

It is no secret that Maoists got where they are today using ruthless violence, destruction, murder, looting, kidnapping, intimidation, and extortion. They also used cheap and unrealistic slogans to attract people to their line of thinking. For example, Comrade Prachanda when he first showed up in public promised to turn Nepal into another Switzerland. It seems he was repeating the rhetoric of another great leader Mr. Krishna Prasad Bhattarai who proclaimed that he was going to make Nepal as developed as Singapore within five years when he was the prime minister.

Comrade Prachanda even went to the extent of claiming that he can make greater Nepal by declaring the Sugauli Treaty signed with the British in 1816 null and void. This comes from the same leader who wants to give the right to self determination to all those ethnic groups who are demanding for it. Comrade Prachanda! Tell us the truth do you want to break the country into smaller countries or build a greater Nepal? Your statements are conflicting and confusing.

Now the Maoists comrades are in power with the successful use of force, destruction of public and private property, extortion, and intimidation. The success of Maoists is now being copied by other groups. They have learned that it pays to be violent and act of violent crimes can get results. With the lessons learned from the Comrades, other groups whether they are Terai residents, Khambuwans, Tamurats, Magarats and many others are using the time tested Maoists tactics to get what they want. There is a culture of violence, death and destruction in Nepal now. Every one wants to stop the movement of vehicles and burn tires causing great amount of financial loss to the working class.

One of the dangerous promises that the comrades used was to turn Nepal into a Federal Republic where each indigenous group of people will have an autonomous republic. For example, they promised different autonomous regions for such ethnic groups as Gurungs, Magars, Newars, Tamangs, Tharus, and many others.

How Can an Autonomous Regions be Achieved?

According the 2001 Census of Nepal, the population of Nepal consists of the following categories in terms of percentage:

Population of Nepal in Percentage (Source: Central Bureau of Statistics, Nepal Government)

1 CHHETRI 15.80
2 BRAHMAN – HILL 12.74
3 MAGAR 7.14
4 THARU 6.75
5 TAMANG 5.64
6 NEWAR 5.48
7 MUSLIM 4.27
8 KAMI 3.94
9 YADAV 3.94
10 RAI 2.79
11 GURUNG 2.39
13 LIMBU 1.58
14 THAKURI 1.47
15 SARKI 1.40
16 TELI 1.34
18 KOIRI 1.11
19 KURMI 0.94
20 SANYASI 0.88
21 DHANUK 0.83
22 MUSAHAR 0.76
24 SHERPA 0.68
25 SONAR 0.64
26 KEWAT 0.60
28 BANIYA 0.56
30 MALLAH 0.51
31 KALWAR 0.51

There are 72 other categories of people in Nepal which are not listed in the above table. The criteria used to cut off was any groups which are less than 0.5% of the total population are not quoted as these would not be needed to make the point clear.

Let us say, for example, as promised by Maoists Comrades that we all agree that Limbuwan and Khambuwan are given an autonomous region in the eastern Nepal. From the above table one can see that they constitute a population of 4.37% when both groups are combined. Now, the problem is the region where they want their autonomous region also have many other ethnic groups including Magars, Gurungs, Bahuns, Chhetries, Kamis, Damais, Sarkis, Newars, Tamangs, and the list goes on and on. If they are given autonomy in the area then what are the other people who have been living there for hundreds of years going to do? Do they have to move to somewhere else? If so where would they go? Let us forget about the Bahuns and Chettris who are supposedly the exploiters and let them go to hell. However, what is a poor Kami or a poor Damai is going to do. Where would they go? Kamis and Damais like Newars, Bahuns, Sarkis, and Chettris are spread all over Nepal.

Representation of Ethnic Groups

The recent revolts by the Terai residents and the various ethnic groups from the mountains have been claiming the fair representation in administration, army, police, etc. There is no question that their demands are appropriate and justified. However, these demands cannot be addressed by CA election or the introduction of Federalism.

Empowerment of Local Governments and not Federalism is the Answer

According to the 2001 census of Nepal, there are 103 different ethnic groups in Nepal. They speak at least 90 different languages. Some of the ethnic groups are as small as 164 people. For example, according to the 2001 census of Nepal there are only 164 Kusundas in Nepal and these people are no where else in the world. Different groups of people especially the ones demanding the autonomy are spread out through out the nation. Therefore, introduction of Federalism or declaration of self governing regions based on ethnic groups will spell disaster for the whole country. It would not even benefit the group that is claiming autonomy. The ethnic groups such as Magars, Tharus, Tamangs, Newars, only constitute 7.14%, 6.75%, 5.64%, and 5.48% respectively. Moreover, these groups are not living in a particular locality. They are pretty much spread out through out the country except the Tharus who mainly reside in the Terai belt.

Therefore, the best way to kill the snake without breaking the stick would be to empower the local governments. It will be a true democratic way of resolving the demands of terai residents as well as the various ethnic groups of the hill areas.

What Kind of Power would the Local Government Have?

The ultimate objective should be to give the power to raise tax, be responsible for taking care of school education, primary health care, local self governance including public safety (hiring local police), passing the rules and regulations on the local governance, and judiciary. Well, that gives the local elected bodies complete authority. It will all be democratic because the people will elect not only the local government officials but also the judges and the chief of the police. People must be alert and ask for transparency, accountability, and rule of law. This will be the ultimate democracy which will satisfy the demands of all ethnic groups no matter how small or how large they are.

Khagendra Thapa is a professor at Ferris State University. UWB received this article in email and views expressed in the article are his own and we do not necessarily agree with the writer.

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57 thoughts on “Ethnic Federalism in Nepal is a Recipe for Disaster

  1. I have changed my stand now after my forty years of my political identity. I was a born critic of the king and the shah dynasty. Now, I am making a sudden U turn. Now I understand why we need some kind of king in our country for our identity and unity of the country.
    After I watched the Nepal 1 TV program, I could see how Christians are wiping us out. The evangelists have intruded our country and they are brainwashing our simple people. We must fight back. One of the reasons is that our country is heading toward republic. So they are taking this opportunity.
    Our ethnic religions in nepal are not united and institutionalised and it may be very easy for organized religions like the evangelists to replace our culture with their foreign idfeas which have no root in Nepal’s identity. And at least for that, we may have to think about keeping some kind of monarchy in the country.
    Paras and Gyandendra are culprits and they should never be allowed to go free. They must be dethroned and brought to justice but we can seat Birendra’s grand daughter, the only blood of Birendra and re-establish monarchy. She deserves her right. We must also change our system, it is not just the boy prince but anyone who is the eldest will seat on the throne, be it girl or a boy but he or she has to be a born Hindu.

  2. Federalism along linguistic and cultural specialities have been constantly dubbed as ethnic federalism by some Nepalis. The intention is to prevent federalism and to protect status quo. If Nepalis are real blood thirsty, they will continue to kill each other irrespective of types of federalism. But, if one believes that Nepalis can think on their own, then there is no need to be afraid of any model. Yeah, Bahunbadis are scared that so called ethnic federalim would wipe out their domination. Invariably, this is what we want.

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    Oh my god, what I have done, chanting Communal anthem.
    no no… what will people say… I am dividing Terai, hills and Himalya

  4. Professor – you make good points, but your proposal as empowering local govt to start with is superficial. Unless & until we dont dismanlte the underlying feudal structure of Nepal, nothing is going to work and the fight must continue for a federal system. Underlying structure here means bahunism and monarchicism – more bahunism.

    Anything less than a federal structure will change nothing. Worst case if federalism doesnt work out, what would we lose/miss anyway. The current situation/structure is as worst as it can get. Sure, from the data you give federalism seems like a very difficult thing to acheive, but it must be used as a negotiating chip to bring these feudalists/bahunists to track and coerce them to create a new, equalitarian system in Nepal. Once we Janjatis/Madhesis stop this demand of ours, these bastards will become complacent and go back to their old tricks again. And we not going to get sold by intellectual bahunism shit like this article of yours. (I take the option to scrap your article coz being a prof, you giving a crappy alternative)

    Surely, the revolution that happened and all the shit we went thru, its simply not worth giving up anything lesser than federalism, otherwise everything else just becomes status quo. Personally, I dont think federalism is good for Nepal. But I would prefer it than the current situation/structure.

  5. I suggest the writer read more abuot Dr. Martin Luther King before he quotes him.

    “Unfortunately, the arrogance of SPAM was challenged by both the Terai residents (Madhesi Group) and the Janajatis.”
    I don’t understand why he thinks it is “unfortunate’ to challege ‘arrogance….”

    Use of biased census data is just laughable.

    There are plenty of indigenous leaders who have more qualities than the writer listed. The Caste-centric Bahun-Chetri led political system can not be patriotic because they have no attachment to the land as are the indigenous leaders. It’s that simple.

  6. Mr. Thapa this article was first published on under guest column.

    Mr. Thapa’s article has many self-conflicting statements and recollections and his ethical and moral standards for the political leader are oxymoron.

    As a human being he should question himself about his own physical – neurological and psycological existence:

    – “Am I a human animal or not?”

    – “If Yes” – “Don’t I have a brain with 300 billions of nuerons working constantly even I am in sleep?, aren’t there 3000 thousands genes managing the wires of psychology that is found in new study published on popular newspaper ‘Times” of January 07 edition that essential blocks the self-lying process or self-hiding process in brain itself?”

    – “Then don’t I commit or think or fantasize things that might be considered unethical and immoral?”

    – Unless Mr. Thapa do not eat, urinate and excrete, do not sleep or his Lingum do not erect and so on, then the moral and ethical points can be raised. Since he is human animal he must desire all this including good time bed with his wife if he is married or otherwise girl-friend.

    The moral and ethical questions are man made values and they can not be demanded for public standard.

    The Rule of Law can only be established with the consent of people in majority who have approved the rule to be implemented.

    The morals and ethical values are based on personal, familial, social, religious, superstitous propogandas. One man’s moral or ethical value can be other man’s crime.

    In democratic establishment the political, social and economic ethics are based on Existential Humanism, Secularism (all inclusive) and Federalism (work responsiblity distribution or decentralization of state power and responsibility).

    –Establishment of the basic human rights in a state by the government is the humanist demand in this modern time of Humanism and evolutionary science that the govenment must be able to fulfill the basic human rights rquirements for its citizens.

    -Guarentee of the Civil Liberty – in a nation and regional states of the nation if it has a federal govenance system the civil Liberty of the people must be guarenteed – right to live anywhere in the nation (any regional states, right work, right seek happiness, right to possess property, right to marry, right to speech, right to vote and so on)

    – Protection of the Civil Rights – civil rights of baby, childern, women, ethnic community, riligious rights, and so on the Democratic establishment this is himanist, secular and federal.

    Remember Federalism is the system or methodism that will decentralize the work load of the nation in a regional or local level. Simply a democratic nation can not be successful without decentralization of state responsibility and the power.



    Since Nepal is a multi-ethnic nation where no group is in majority, we need a leader who is completely unbiased and can get along with people of all regions and ethnic backgrounds irrespective of their culture, language, political affiliations and caste. In other words, the leader must be able to live and work with Kamis, or Sarkis, or Sherpas, or Tharus, or Danuwar, or Satars, or Limbus, etc. This can only happen if the leader has the interests of the people and the nation above his/her personal interests.


    2. People need a leader who has high moral and ethical standards and as such s/he has the ability to tell others to follow high ethical and moral values.


    3. The leader must also be motivating and charismatic so that s/he can influence the people and motivate them to work hard to improve their own livelihood and neighborhood.


    4. The leader must also possess a clear sense of purpose (or mission) – clear goals – focus – commitment.


    5. The leader must also be able to work with others and be highly optimistic and results oriented



    6. Ability to encourage and nurture others so that s/he can make a difference in the lives of the people.


    7. Ability to understand what others say, rather than listening to how they say things. One could partly sum this quality up as “ability to walk in someone else’s shoes” Or know where the shoe pinches.



    8. The leader must be able to display a passion for, and have a strong conviction of, what they regard as the moral correctness of their vision. They engage in outstanding or extraordinary behavior and make extraordinary self-sacrifices in the interest of their vision and mission.

    9. The leader must be inspirational and communicate with people in an understandable way and live by example. S/he must have high self confidence, determination and persistence.


    10. The leader must have ability to delegate authority to reliable and competent people.


    The question is do we have any leaders who display even five of the above qualities? You be the judge.



  7. I sure wish that NPRF could have done a rebuttle without looking completely nuts.

    The central flaw with Thapa’s article here is that its evidence is not connected to his conclusions. He states lists of facts, and then states conclusions that are totaly unrelated to those facts.

  8. Only people in power are talking about federalism do the grass root people really know what does that mean? All they want is peace in country and all the culprit be punished… no matter who either king or prachande or who ever who have been suppressing Nepalese.





  10. 1. Aam key pendh ke nichi hamne gamcha bhichaya hai.
    2. Aam pakega… bahut pakega.
    3. Aam khud hi hamarey gamche me ayega

    Mera bharat mahan

  11. I see no self conflicting points nor do I see an overt attempt to disparage. Man has a view and he comes with a logic that he sees fit. Lets not act as if we are trained to see one and only one (way). Unless there is a debate we stand to lose more than we gain. But this is what is hapeening now, a polarization on the basis of affliation with a party or agenda where any contrary is deemed regressive or downright punishable. This tendencies is growing in Nepal and if this continues- we will be what we do not want to be- under dictotorial rule in sprite and phyiscal. God save Nepal.

  12. I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to death, your right to say it. .. Voltaire

    @ Nepali People’s Rights Forum
    The same goes to you, rather double. As you enjoy your “RIGHT” to express your obnoxious brain and biased opinion, rambling around the same words in your article full with human physiological mix mashala. Mr. Khagendra Thapa also has his right to put his personal opinion.

    When as the publishing domain clearly states …. Khagendra Thapa is a professor at Ferris State University. UWB received this article in email and views expressed in the article are his own and we do not necessarily agree with the writer.

    I would rather see him more patriotic than you. Despite of living in foreign country, he is analysing the current situation of Nepal and expressing his view, suggesting for the betterment of the country. In the meantime also does not mean, that we have to agree with everything he has written, just because he is Prof or NRN.

    On the other-hand you, poking him with the total irrelevant issue like intimacy with woman, stating “several times”…. IF NOT HAVE A GOOD TIME WITH YOUR WIFE, GIRL FRIEND OR OTHERWISE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ONE.

    What on earth does that mean?????… My guess: May be you think, Mr. Khagendra’s wife, girl friend or otherwise is more beautiful than one of yours. And you are Jealous about it.

    To that, if we are discussing a Political Issue then let’s be discussing Politics not somebody else’s personal life. Not a right way of debating.
    In my opinion, Nepal does not need any particular Branded system for its development and lasting stability.

    But the system that aims and claims for…… Peace, Human Right, Law, Vision, Plan, Educated People in Politics, and never forget PUBLIC EDUCATION.

    What I see these days, protests against Government by Terai residents (Madhesi Group) and the Janajatis is more political than social.
    Couple of Incompetent leaders that are unable to compete with other group of Incompetent, uneducated, corrupted and vision less leaders of SPAM want representation in Parliament.

    And what is the easy way of getting to power??

    Influence the unaware, uneducated, uninformed people and use them for their interest. Telling them how they are discriminated. I was born and raised in educated family in Kathmandu. So, I’m not familiar with this kind of Caste, colour and language discrimination. I have neighbours and friends belonging to all caste. And we respect each other. But WHERE is the discrimination? It’s in villages, especially in Terai regions….I have seen with my own eyes and heard from many of my friends from terai. There is discrimination between Terai residents (Madhesi Groups). Why is it like that?

    Only answer to that is lack of Awareness…and ….”EDUCATION”….our people need education. Leaders are shouting for Federalism for their own personal interest and poor people are dying, without even knowing what they are protesting for.

    I would say….STOP the ethnical division. That will take us nowhere but down.

    Myself, I am Chettri. But I never ever discriminated anybody due to their caste; I always had and have friends from all Castes. If anybody who have lived in Kathmandu would have the same opinion like mine.

    I have seen and met people of all Castes working in Bank, Government offices, Private offices. And never have heard of caste discrimination while hiring somebody. Yes of course there is corruption in hiring procedure….But this corrupted personal only sees Money….regardless of his qualification and caste.

    In Nepal…that is for sure if you have education, you can do and go wherever and do whatever unlike in India. At least that’s my experience.

    And why are Bahun are so targeted and discriminated?

    Its pity that we are talking about NO racism according to Caste and everybody here in forum is targeting and insulting Bahun and Chettri…why?

    @ Justice: There are plenty of indigenous leaders who have more qualities than the writer listed. The Caste-centric Bahun-Chetri led political system can not be patriotic because they have no attachment to the land as are the indigenous leaders. It’s that simple.

    1.) So you mean that, more qualified indigenous leaders led political system would be more patriotic?

    2.) How can you prove that..Bahun and chettri have no attachment to the land….and indigenous leaders have more?

    There you are wrong, My brother!!!…

    I am Chettri and I love my Country Nepal ..My ancestors have fought for this country and when it comes I will not hesitate to sacrifice my life to protect it. And will be offended by the grotesque statment as such yours. Tapai ko ragat Nepali mero ragat Nepali….k bhanna Khojya?….

    What about the racism while selecting British Ghurkha? Yes, I know your answer. You would say: if you are capable physically then you can get into British army even being Newar, Chettri or Bahun right? Actually it is true.

    Open your eyes and look around, it is same in Politics and Bureaucracy, if you are educated and capable nobody is going to stop you from getting a job in Nepal…or to be an influencing leader….That is FACT and everybody knows it.

    Its not Bahun’s fault that they go to school and study hard, Newari people start business and are good at it and Rai, limbu, Tamang, Magar, Gurung are physically strong and prepare themselves for Army (British, India, Nepal), Terai people do farming because southern part of Nepal has fertile land……and Chettris (Use to be brave fighters) but these days…mostly do nothing…but trying out in every fields.

    The social structure is like that…….OPEN YOUR EYES….

    Unite we raise Divide we fall….


  13. What it all boils down to is that people didnt go through so much struggle and suffering to place these inept leaders in power. They did so because they want a voice and a legitimate stake in a new Nepal. But these leaders’ action suggest they are not interested in any of these, instead they indulge in making cosmetic changes and blaming monarchy for everything. I feel sad that Bahuns are being targeted today, but one need to understand that it is the result of what the leaders (comprising almost all Bahuns) have been practising all the time – i.e. caste based divide & rule politics.

  14. Nepali said: “Its not Bahun’s fault that they go to school and study hard, Newari people start business and are good at it and Rai, limbu, Tamang, Magar, Gurung are physically strong and prepare themselves for Army (British, India, Nepal), Terai people do farming because southern part of Nepal has fertile land……and Chettris (Use to be brave fighters) but these days…mostly do nothing…but trying out in every fields.”

    This is the most stupid logic I have ever read. If Bahuns had not started institutional discrimination against other groups in educational opportunities, and subsequently economic and social development of other groups, the issue of ethnic injustice would never be raised. In my view, Bahuns are not only at fault, they are guilty of genocide and therfore must be punished. (Of course, not every individual Bahuns, but the Bahuns who manipulated the system, and hoarded national resources to their caste-interest)

  15. First: Genocide: In what base are you Blaming Bahun for committing Genocide?

    I suggest you to refer the history book, to elaborate your knowledge about our Nation’s history.
    Especially the part where Nepali language has been made compulsory and other languages were pushed behind. And I am sure you will come to know…that those who implemented were not Bahun.

    And Justice: If Bahuns had not started institutional discrimination against other groups in educational opportunities, and subsequently economic and social development of other groups, the issue of ethnic injustice would never be raised.

    Can you explain me that little bit in Detail? Which era was that in Nepal, such an event happened and I am not aware of?

    Specific Names of the people involved and incidents accounting to those consequences…would help to elaborate my knowledge on that aspect. ….Thank you…

    Well…let me give you little bit background. As everybody of us know that during Rana regime none of the Civilian was allowed to have any sort of education. I hope you know at least this…or??

    The fall of Rana regime was the result of people’s revolution and leaders who were leading happened to be Bahun so called Koirala brothers..… Actually were based in Banaras and gained their education there itself.

    Now I do not remember any Bahun Regime that came to power and started institutional discrimination……Or any Koirala Regime that discriminated anyone.

    This discrimination propaganda is brainwashing tool of corrupted politicians. Just to pave their path to Parliament (POWER)

    Nepali ma: Bhai ..Bhai lai futauna Khoji ra chan…..

    Let’s not forget it was NOT ANY POLITICAL PARTIES, NOT any leader or ANY Type of people who led the people’s movement II, which resulted the fall of Gyanendra’s regime.

    It was done by all Nepali people including all caste…… u agree?

    1.) Did you follow that people’s movement?
    2.) Were you involved?
    3.) Whom did you support?
    4.) Were you there to help the injured?
    5.) Did you notice..what caste’s people were involved during the protest?…or it was mixed? or there were only bahuns? or there were only tamang? or there were only Newar?

    @ Justice…..I demand answers to these questions from you.

    If you were there, then you know that we need UNITY among us. We are all Nepali.

    So, STOP giving birth to a HATER inside your Nepali Heart.


  16. Dear Mr. Nepali, I am glad you responded to my comment so passionately. There was another article in this blog that explains pretty much all of your questions:

    Click on this blog or just scroll down until you see this article on the blog page. Let me know if you can’t find it. If you honestly believe that cast-people, especially Bahuns, have nothing to do with the development of inhuman and corrput political culture of Nepal, I can only feel sorry for you. And if you still keep denying these facts, see the report by Ian Martin, UN Chief to Nepal, and Luise Arbor, who also termed such practices as cultural ‘genocide’. If you can’t still believe it, just look around the political party leaders, or visit important public offices and tell me how many non-Bahuns you will find. If that is not a discrimination, you probably need to be re-educated the way Maoists would want to, just as they did in Cambodia, because the privileged caste’s skull was so numb that they never understood the plight of the masses who suffer under their tyrany. In this case, the caste system in Nepal.

  17. @Justice…….you do not sound so authentic to me ….neither Patriotic….suggesting me to refer some western cliché article to know about, what’s going on in OUR NEPAL??

    You have been brainwashed by some corrupted people…..and you are in the path of destruction ….people like you are the root cause of the whole ethnic base problem……(Half educated people)….There are several other severe problems in Nepal…and people like you are just focused to get your share….so that you can get into power earn loads and loads of money………Not True??

    Answer yourself genuinely ….Have you ever taken Bribe?…If answer is YES…then please stop pretending to be a National Hero…by simply blaming Bahuns. Blaming others for Fame is a Hip Fashion in Nepali politics…..Afu ley kehi garna sakdaina…tesailey aru lai dos deney..

    Your blames are baseless……See the Cambodia history…..should we be doing the same?

    Bringing all the uneducated farmers….in Offices to work…and Send all the educated…people to plough the land…….Is that your demand?.

    That is pathetic…as it sounds…

    About being sorry….Let me say something!!….I am sorry for “Nepal Ama”…who gave birth to a child who is paving the path of civil war…..all evidences are directing towards you……You are that destructive minded and extremely dangerous to our Peaceful country Nepal…..


    P.S: I suggest you one more time to read little more about Nepali History……and of Cambodia……

  18. Dear Mr Nepali,
    I think there are some arguements of Mr. Justice that you just fail to understand. Let me try and make a few things clear and simple.

    1) Mr. Justice is not saying that Nepal and Cambodia are the same country, or that they are similar, or that Nepal should follow what happened in Cambodia. All Mr. Justice is trying to highlight is that it seems rather difficult for a priviledged group of people to see something that they are doing wrong. Thats it. Nothing more nothing less. Cambodia here is only used as an example.

    2) Mr. Justice is only making a simple point which is, the bahuns as a group, in Nepal hold the clear majority of power. As proof of the statement he is asking you to look at the majority of the political leaders, and government officials and beauracrats. There is indeed a bahun majority which no can dispute.

    3)Nepali politics has been corrupt. Its a fact, please don’t even try and deny this. The point is then, because most of the political leaders and people in the government have been bahuns, it follows that bahuns were the ones who were corrupted and discriminated against the others. This is somewhat unfair, because we can’t say for sure if it would be any different if say the magars or tamangs or newars or chaudharys were in power instead of the bahuns. However because we never had that oppurtunity, we will have to safely agree that bahuns in nepali politics and government have been corrupted, have discriminated other groups etc etc etc…

    Yes Mr. Nepali, at this time it is dangerous to be discussing such issues and it could bring about more instability, however we cannot afford to run away from this core issue. Maybe we should turn a blind eye to it today, but if not addressed properly some time in the near future it will come back to haunt us again. Thats is all. I hope this is what Mr. Justice is trying to say as well. But that is my stand.
    For now lets focus on the interim government and getting rid of a useless institution like the monarchy. This I believe will bring all nepalis on the same level with no more nonsensical heirarchies. We should then discuss all other issues like the one we are exploring here after that. What do you think Mr. Nepali, Mr.Justice, do share with us.

  19. nepali dude, u r a very concerned citizen of nepal, thats great. but u hav misintrepreted the article n the current issue of ethnicity. actually this is the major prob of nepal to b solved. Mb rode the same horse to reach at this point. even the miltia fighters against rana regimes constituted of ex british gurkhas who had fought in burma against japanese n had immense jungle guerilla warfare skills, expereince n technical knowledge, yeah the leaders were koirala n bro. but after the sucessful campaign people from other ethnicities were ignored even the constitution was so unfair. the education report plans r evidence of discrimination in linguistics. n the head of gov since then r bahuns mostly, n the situation of the country, bad but more worst. n in that case conflict is envitable. nepal has new hope now casue they all r voicing now, n they all r solvable. remeber dude, no janjatis or madhesis or dalits r after bahun n chettries but to eliminate the virtual system created by them called ‘bahunbaad’. n any one can posses it, so no hard feeling dude, we all r proud nepalese, just try to understand the real ground situation.

  20. ?. ???? ???? ???? ??? ? ???????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????
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    Members of the then council of ministers:
    1. Chairman King Gyanendra
    2. Vice-Chairman Dr. Tulsi Giri
    3. Vice-Chairman Kirtinidhi Bista
    4. Minister Kamal Thapa
    5. Minister Badri Prasad Mandal
    6. Minister Niranjan Thapa
    7. Minister Salim Miya Ansari
    8. Minister Dan Bahadur Shahi
    9. Minister Ramesh Nath Pandey
    10. Minister Radha Krishna Mainali
    11. Minister Tanka Dhakal
    12. Minister Khadga Bahadur GC
    13. Minister Prakash Koirala
    14. Minister Keshar Bahadur Bista
    15. Minister Buddhi Raj Bajracharya
    16. Minister Buddhiman Tamang
    17. Minister Narayan Singh Pun
    18. Minister Madhukar Shumsher Rana
    19. Minister Krishna Lal Thakali
    20. Minister Durga Shrestha
    21. Minister Ram Narayan Singh
    22. State Minister Shirsh Shumsher Rana
    23. State Minister Rup Jyoti
    24. State Minister Mani Lama
    25. State Minister Dr. Durga Pokhrel
    26. State Minister Rabindra Khanal
    27. State Minister Brijesh Kumar Gupta
    28. State Minister Yankila Sherpa
    29. Assistant Minister Roshan Karki
    30. Assistant Minister Rajesh Kaji Shrestha
    31. Assistant Minister Bhuwan Pathak
    32. Assistant Minister Sone Lal Yadav
    33. Assistant Minister Senate Shrestha
    34. Assistant Minister Jagat Gauchan
    35. Assistant Minister Nikshya Shumshere Rana

  21. Well people….Great leaders are not made by using cheap slogans based on the ethnic group’s right or whatsoever….especially in the country like Nepal.

    Great leaders are those…who gives up their personal interests and worries for Nation’s interest. Great leaders don’t belong to any particular group or type. They are not made by anyone. They are not famous by creating propaganda and by playing “blaming others” Politics etc.

    Sad but true….We do not have any Great leader in our Country…that is the fact.

    Let me put forward….some historical prospective, which is quite relevant to the issue that we have been discussing….

    As I already mentioned, the educational situation during Rana regime.

    Due to that fact, in the past there were very few educated people….And among that very few people most of them were Bahuns…..because others were busy in other professions. Likewise chettris in army…newar in doing farming and business…terai basi the same….tamang, magar..rai limbu, gurung..were also busy doing farming or were involved in army (Nepal, India,Britian)

    So, after the fall of Rana regime….with the new system …different people were required to work in the government offices….so in this situation who were eligible to work there???? What would be your answer, Please?…….ok let me answer for you….well those were the few people who were educated….disregard of what castes…..,,It’s just a coincidence that among those few educated people…most of them were Bahun….and few others…..

    With this it’s evident that….Bahuns did not plan for this….it just happened…..

    Since they started working in the Government offices….so their off spring followed them as it happens in every family…so the number of Bahuns keep on increasing till the date….

    Same on the other hand if you see..there are lots of chettris in Nepal army why? Because its family tradition……

    And why are there only Janajatis in British Gorkha? That’s also because it’s been family tradition………

    Should not Bahuns now protest for their non existence in other fields than in Government offices?…..Or will that be just Silly?

    This Bahun baad and Ethnic division is non issue….we have to be together is such a situation like this one, when country is going through a radical change in system and several outsiders are planning their dirty game to use it for their benefits.

    But Nepali people are just worried about themselves…..who will worry about people who work in the farm just outside of Kathmandu.

    Lets take an example of one uneducated Tamang or Newar or Chettri or Bahun…as I have seen there are lots of them in the outskirt of Kathmandu specially in Sakhu area) ..want to sell their Vegetables to have money to feed themselves and their children so that …at least if nothing then their children can go to school and get a job in future….

    But NO!! Janajati would protest….just to have one incompetent leader in the parliament…..and take on the street…announce…Nepal Bandha…or even may be Civil war…….

    This may sound like a story…but its happening….They would beat up this poor farmer..because he is there to sell his stuff during the Bandha..…Maoist would recruit his children…..and the whole family would be devastated……and and and….never ending story…..Who the fck gives the Fck?

    Afno janajati ko mache ayo bhane tyo project haat ma paru la…choro lai America pathaula…..salo lai job delaula…..who cares about poor people and their education?

    We Nepali went through so much of suffering…so much of “Nepal Bandha”…and sacrifice of thousands of Nepali brothers…and now we got this opportunity to throw irresponsible and cruel King and bring in the new system in the country.

    And now what are we doing? Fighting like dogs for a bone (POWER).

    Now seeing in the present…..

    Who are the one who have nice houses and nice cars in Kathmandu?
    Lahure haru, Corrupted Leaders, Corrupted Officials ( Bahun, Chettri, Rai,Limbu, Newar, Kasai, Sarki, Madhesia,,,etc,,,). I mean to say most of the Government officials are corrupted….regardless of castes…Agree??

    Who is studying in most expensive school in Kathmandu? Lahure ko chora chori haru /Politicians…eg: campion academy Kathmandu

    Who are the most of the hiphop people in Kathmandu? Lauhre ko chora chori

    Who are the most of disco goers in Kathmandu? Lauhre ko chora chori….

    And it’s same rather double in Pokhara and Dharan……

    I would say first clean up the mess in your own home…when you have access to everything…make your children’s to study hard…..and later encourage them to get a job in Government Offices…..???!!!! What do you think the answer of your Children would be?

    @ telic op: remeber dude, no janjatis or madhesis or dalits r after bahun n chettries but to eliminate the virtual system created by them called ‘bahunbaad’. n any one can posses it, so no hard feeling dude, we all r proud nepalese, just try to understand the real ground situation.

    What I am trying to say is, this virtual Bahunbaad does not exists….it the creation of some incompetent and vested leaders who want to come to the power…and they are using this Bahunbaad propaganda…and being popular among Janajatis.

    And we unaware Nepali are being victim of such scam.

    We need better approach to deal with contemporary visionless…and corrupted Leaders…not only Bahuns but all of them.

    Grija Bahun bha bhayera….politics khattam bha ho ta?….Grija Rai bhaidya bhaney pani yestai hunthyo…..

    “”””We need Educated Young People in poltics ….regardless of what caste he or she belong to,,,,,,

    ……..Saye thari baja autai tal…..Hamisabai jati ko autai Nepal….lets work together for One Nepal for everyone……NO ethnical Federalism…….



  22. Nepali- I am a student who struggled for the opportunity to get education by doing labor work, being a porter and servant. I understand the Dukha of the people in the villages of Nepal, 99% of the people in my village never had a chance to go to school, and the only reason I got it is because I went to do labor work in Kathmandu where I was fortunate enough to meet people who supported my education. And I am a doctoral student. Let me hear your credential.

  23. Dear Mr. Harkay,
    You got my point clear. Perhaps I used metaphors that were not clear to others. Thank you for the explanation.

  24. Well…..that’s what I am talking about….If you want to reach your goal….then you have to work hard for it….You are Doctoral student…Bravo!!..thats very impressive…may be one day you will go back to Nepal…(if you are currently residing outside Nepal) and will help your villagers to fight against the poverty by providing them ultimate tool i.e. EDUCATION.

    SPA was and is doing “Blaming others Politics” so is Maoist …even King some days before….Everybody is blaming each other…..Nobody has the road map for the future development of Nepal…by eliminating illiteracy, poverty, and applying law and order in the Nation.

    Every Politician is busy planning to pave their path to be in POWER so that they can earn so much of MONEY that their seven generation would not have to work.

    And little educated Nepali people like us…are following them or victimized by their propaganda’s.

    We all Nepali fought for this Democracy …..what Maoist could not do in 10-12 years of insurgency ……what SPA could not do in several decades…Nepali people did it in 19 DAYS…..

    This is the time for us to unite and bring these opportunists in justice…..

    My credential is I am born Nepali…Raised Nepali…and will Die for Nepali….



  25. Mr./Ms./Miss/Dr. Pahade:

    It is not the question of Bahun percent. But it is the qestion of Bahunism that make the king big time god with the connotations of gods of Purana – Vedic literatures.

    Why did the Buhunism did that is the proper inquery on the matter!

    –For power, for security, for money and so on

    –This is what created the Feudalism dominate psyche of average people of Nepal with zero inquery on the matter. Rather taking the buuuulllssshhittt for granted.

    As a result, average people of Nepal remained poor and only selected one became privileged,

    All castes and ethnic group of people get suppressed.

    Therefore, eradication of such institution is the mandate of people’s movements, civil war and revolutions.

    For the better – ‘The Federal Governance System’ is essential for people to participate directly in nation building process.

    –It is not only the ruling elites domination over the nation building process but the responsibility of all people of Nepal.

    So all must be involved to dissolve the feudal oligarchic institution of the monarchy through the declaration of the House of Representatives or the CA elections.

    Spread this information all over Nepal.

  26. NPRF ??,
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  27. B. Pahade and Nepali,
    You guys still don’t get the point. I don’t think you will ever be enlightened. You continue to be defensive and never look at the world from the victim’s point of view. What you don’t get is the historical consequences i.e. what you are (or not) is the residual effect of historical events. Of course some Bahuns have changed their attitudes and behaviors similar to that of the indigenous people of the land. But that’s because they (Bahuns/Chetries) had no alternatives. They could not simply afford to impose their puritan racist theology on everyone and still be part of the culture of the land where they initially did not belong. The bottom line is Nepal’s institutional building process sould be scrapped at once and for all, and start from the scratch again. The question of the hour is how do we do it constructively. Is CA the only options? Or Do we need, perhaps bigger revolution, such as French Revolution? If people like you who consider yourself ‘educated’ keep dening the historical facts and manipulating both Nepalese and international communities with false information, perhaps TIME has come for Nepal to RISE. This TIME definitely be from the Janajatis, the people of the land, the real Gurkhas with Khukuris.

  28. Justice:

    I salute your dedication and resilience; to reach the point you have reached today through difficulties and hurdles is a very awe-inspiring story. I believe that you will do well in future and will contribute directly/indirectly in the betterment of your community/region/country.

    I agree with most of what you have said, but I am curious with the last 3 words of your post. I don’t know if you mean it in some other way, but I do feel like there is the vibe of violence in it. And right now, the thing that Nepal least needs is violence.

    Let’s envision a better Nepal – where human-rights are preserved, where everyone has a right and environment to education, where no one is better than the other by birth. But, let’s not go that way by the means of threat, violence, and abuse.

  29. comon nepali dude wake up. its the same education that has made us aware of the situation n we r revolting, think why it is all happening now?? becasue janjatis r more educated now than they were in the past. u hit the iron when it is hot n red to shape it. u don’t want another civil war in coming futures do u? ? even the british gurkhas recruitments r full of conspiracies,m hathched by then rulers. n britsh only wanted grg, magar, rai n limbu in thier brigade of gurkhas, evidence, they took 2GR, 6GR, 7GR n 10GR, traditionally grg, magar, rai n limbu paltaan when they gave independece to india. now it has been disbanded n changed to 1 RGR n 2 RGR infantry regiments. n its thier hard erned money fighting each n every major battles of the world, they hav every right to use it in disco or pub or anything, u don’t moan in this matter bro. u hav seen only disco goers n punks in dharan n pokhara but u hav missed how much well managed the cities are by local effort not from gov. fashions n lifestyles r of personal coice u can’t intervene thier rights. change ur conservative attitude bro n how come this all shiiits justify wat ur kins r doing in governing nepal n creating all this mess. n we don’t fall in ur caste groups bro, the one called sudras. we r nationalitites or janjatis, its no jaat paat. so don’t take us as jaat paat n craap of urs. u should say that when u don’t allow dalits to enter ur temple or touch ur taps. cause they r of ur heirarchy. don’t b so ignorant bro when more than 70% of total population r revolting against this same shiits for new nepal n completely new system thats is fair n inclusive for nepalese of every ethnic backgrounds not only hindu n high caste ruling class….yeah justice bro long live jnajatis revolt……

  30. Ethnic federalism is a A recipe for disaster, says mr khagendray. The fellows like this Khagendreay are fellows who have got into a just different garb,earlier they used to be sporting, flaunting their antennas,(tupi), in public, today many of they measure their antennas with the vernier calliper in secret,they pretend to be something else but it is that they are of the same old parasitic class,who are hurt by the changes that are about to take place in the country,which would bring the oppressed, the true sons of the soil to the seats of power, ethnic federalism is that, it would enable the marginalised ethnic groups to have positions in the (administration),administering the regions and decide things that would affect their lives. It is necessary.
    Jai Bhim!

  31. Sasanka,

    I thought we lived in period of democracy and everyone has right to opinion.

    I did not know that ‘democracy’ according to you have to defined as per your understanding and support your reasoning; or else, they are “same old parasitic class” and “who are hurt by the changes that are about to take place in the country”.

    I also did not know that ‘ethnic federalism’ is the only way available to empower “marginalised ethnic groups”.

    Perhaps you can clarify the number of federal states that Nepal should have. May be 103 because there are 103 different ethnic groups in Nepal and all of these ethnic groups must be given federal states if it is inclusive democracy.

    Kindly elaborate how will it be administered and financed? Are you going to print money?

    Of course, when all the oppressed class are given “positions in the (administration), administering the regions and decide things that would affect their lives”, why would they need money? They can eat those positions and be happy everafter.

  32. People with thick head………you guys need to learn what the meaning of democracy……is

    What’s about 70% of people?……doing your own math?

    Let me also rise the same question as Sasanka has done….lets say we will have Federal system based on ethnic group……so how many state do u propose…….?

    The point is since everybody is protesting for it…..none of the ethnic group should be left aside……or?

    Leedey….manchei haru…..buddhi chaina……tesai..karayo…Khukuri ko dhak..dyo….

    @Justice…are you trying to threaten us? If yes then….no need to discuss here like civilized people….lets meet up in the battle field……..Lets see who can fight better……..

    I am ready for katamaar now….after reading all this bullshit…..

    I realize there is an imminent need to deal with this visionless and dangerous group of people, who understand nothing but violence.

    I see only CIVIL WAR in future because of their rusty brain and inferiority complex.

    This ethnic based discrimination in institutional level ……It’s only there in your mind…. ……..otherwise. Have you ever heard anyone being stopped by visiting some school, colleges and university due to their ethnic background…..or from getting a job?

    About …not letting to touch the tap and prohibiting in the temples……that was in the past (Once upon a time)…’s illegal to discriminate any caste….according to Nepali law…..

    And I am very surprised to read…..someone telling me…YOUR TEMPLE…is not YOURS Anymore?

    OR CONVERTED YOURSEFL to other religion? Well….may be part of hip fashion…personal thing….ohooo

    You Guys are doing nothing but again playing the “BLAMING OTHERS GAME”

    Open your eyes….and prepare yourself for the war of any kind. NOT by Khukuri…but with PEN. Let’s sit down and talk…..tesai tatiney? Sabai kura thik huncha…Khukuri nikaley pachi?

    Bir Gurkha is all Nepali… not misinterpret by any mean….

    Serving other Nations (Britain, India) army does not make you Bir Gurkha…..never forget that.

    Bir Nepali ko Santan hu Ma pani….Mero Desh Nepal….Ra Ma Bir Nepali…….

    @ Justice: Ghannta jasto Kura garney ta…?



  33. bahun/chetrris n janjtais, madhesis can never live togther, its very true cause they r of differnt roots n backgrounds. why don’t some one officially declare war among them. hahaha nepali fcker, who only knows how to bark like all of thier types. don’t worry u will get ur war sooner or later…

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  35. Nepali said: “@Justice…are you trying to threaten us? If yes then….no need to discuss here like civilized people….lets meet up in the battle field……..Lets see who can fight better……..”

    What a shame on you. You are a perfect example of “Murkhale pandit lai haraucha”. So, you ran out of logic, now you want to get physical?? Tell me where you live, exact location, house number, and what time?? I will be there to finish up all the evils who plunged my mother land, the land of Buddha, who rejected the racist caste system, into such a chaotic state. I think its a fight worth fighting!!! We know that our forefathers made a big mistake by letting the refugees Khas people (Bahun, Chetri, Baishay and Suddra) to our land of peace and harmony. We are prepared to take it back! Just so you know!.

  36. …@Justice— after this post you proved…that you are a low class scum…..get a life…..

    who are your “ForeFathers”??….how much of Buddhist are you?….Read through all the posts….and you will find…..who is Racist…..who is talking about dividing our country according to caste…….Last I check…its NOT ME…… you sound….

    NOw this-Justice is not only against Bahun and Chettri But also Baishay and Suddra…..

    Whats the plan ? ..Are you killing everybody of us?
    Khukuri or a pistol wont be enough (telling you that)……u will need to built something big…may be some hundreds of Gas Chambers…..



  37. Carry on fighting … this is really what Nepal needs at the moment. It reminds of a song by Megadeth called ‘Countdown to Extinction”. Read the Lyrics and you will enjoy it…

    Countdown to Extinction – Megadeth

    Endangered species, caged in fright
    Shot in cold blood, no chance to fight
    The stage in set, now pay the price
    An ego boost don’t think twice
    Technology, the battle’s unfair
    You pull the hammer without a care
    Squeeze the trigger that makes you Man
    Pseudo-start, the hunt is canned …
    The hunt is canned

    All are gone, all but one
    No contest, nowhere to run
    No more left, only one
    This is it, this is the Countdown to Extinction

    Tell the truth, you wouldn’t dare
    The skin and thophy, oh so rare
    Silence speaks louder than words
    Ignore the guilt, and take your turn
    Liars anagram is “liars”
    Man you were never even there
    Killed a few feet from the cages
    Point blank, you’re so courageous …
    So courageous

    One hour from now
    Another species of life form
    Will disappear off the face of the planet
    Forever … and the rate is accelerating

  38. Oh this should suffice to Nepali (the rotten one): who brought violence to Nepal? Did the indigenous people broght this chaos to Nepal? Did the Indigenous people divide the people into caste hirarchy and subsequent social problems? Don’t impose your stupid caste sysetm on us and make it sound like its ALL Nepalese problem. The illtreatment of women, the lower caste, the untouchability, the Kamaya, all these shits are problem brought by caste people like you and we have nothing to do with your problem. Don’t even try to involve on this. Our women have have equal rights as men, we have no hirarchical system, in fact, the scholars have proved that the indigenous people of Nepal have the most modern and egaliterian sociey in the world.

    Your caste system, your violence, your oppressive culture, illtreatement of wowen, keep your shit with yourself. Don’t spread them like pandemic disease everywhere.

    For us, violence was never desirabel. We have always adopted the policy of peaceful coe-existance. The khas people like you are pushing us to the corner, imposing your bullshit system on everyone else. Enough is enough. You people were less than 5% when Shah clan took over, now you claim yourself to be the majority??? Think your meat head what may have happend to the other 95% of the people of the land.

  39. Let’s say you have proved that whoever you are…are great people and rest are shit heads…

    Where does that lead us? What’s your point?

    I Suggest:
    Go through your own posts…without being so convinced by your arrogant opinion……and see it from different angle… will know who is about to bring violence and the rotten one is…

    Justice says: Our women have equal rights as men, we have no hierarchical system, in fact, the scholars have proved that the indigenous people of Nepal have the most modern and egalitarian society in the world.

    What percentage of Indigenous people are we talking about?
    Or are we talking about those who have migrated to other European country, USA, Canada, ….you name it.

    You are putting things in a way…that only you are from Nepal…and have seen the things….and whatsoever….

    P.S: Let me dose you up a little…. …just for FUN

    Goo(shit) Bhote Haru chai Kaha bata ako?

    You are so proud of Buddha….

    Let me tell you:

    Buddha was son of a Hindu “King ?uddhodana” and real name of Buddha was Siddhartha Gautam also a Khas name…..

    Point is …Buddha does not come from any indigenous communities….but from high class hindu Family….

    So, I am wondering…where did all this Bhotes come to Nepal? From China? From Tibet? And are claming to be Nepali….



  40. Dear Shaman,
    Everything can be worked out, the safeguards to different communities especially small communities would be assured, have to be assured, just that. Ethnic federalism is the solution, about the matter of resources and economic potentialities those would be given consideration,the important thing is that democratic institutions must have the reach to that level which can be said to reflect the will to be the will of the masses of the particular region. Empowerment of the various oppressed nationaliites can happen when a federal system is there and ethnicity is given consideration,though a lot of things have to be worked out,that shouldn’t be a problem that can be done. Neil Horning’s report depicts the true facts that are tried to be suppressed by those who don’t want things to change in Nepal and those that want to see that the oppressed,marginalised don’t improve their lot, conditions .
    Jai Bhim!.

  41. Sasanka,

    What ‘ought’ to be and what is the ‘ideal’ situation is known to everyone. But “how” is the major question and from your post, it does not answer anything except philosophy. Since you have oft quoted Ambedkar and Ambedkarism, I could not relate federalism with Ambedkarism. I am not abreast with Dalit literature that much but I could see no connection.

    As I have said before, there are 103 ethical groups in Nepal. If federal structure is the way of empowering these groups, then how many states are you going to create? Why should not be Dom be given a separate state or why should be clubbed with, say Sarki? These are the real issues.

    Please do not step aside financial and economic viability of these structures of empowering as if money is going to fall from the sky or someone is going to give for free. And one financial mistake of a ruling party in a particular period of time has bearing on generations to come. I think you know about pound sterling debacle and its effect on British economy because of the loan it had taken from the US during Second World War.

  42. The Khyank people can not think outside the box of caste system. That’s why we call you the Kyyank (the gyagar), the hell-bound. Buddha rose above all human boundaries, and theological concepts. He was neither caste nor non-caste. He was the Buddha, the enlightened one. The caste people, the lower-birth, remained chained in the shakkle of their own ignorance and attachment to the primitive trible cultutre of birth, not of rational mind or goodness of heart.

    During the Buddha’s time, the current South Asian region had thousands of kingdoms based on their belief and culture, not on caste. The current political map of India is an artificial boundary created by British East India company, a commercial geographic territory so that they could enslave the Indians, not a political identity until they left in 1950. During Buddha’s time, there was neither Hindu kingdom nor non-Hindu kingdoms. The kingdoms were ran by clans, such as Sakya clans. Such clan system still exists in many parts of the world, and for Nepal it still exists. The clan-based Tamang, Magar, Kirant kingdoms can be traced back to as far as 1st century. So, when did the Khyank (khas) people came to the Himalayas?? Not until recently (est. 17th century), mostly after the Shah clan fled to the Palpa region during Moslem invasion, from the low-land. When the Moselem kicked their ass, they fled to the highland as refugees asking the Magar people for shelter. The kind Magars, not only gave them food and shelter, but also let them participate in their culture, only to be over-taken later. The Tamangs were duped by Drabhe Shah who took over Gorkha, and Nuwakot, both Gurung and Tamang kingdoms. The Khyank never conquored Kiran, they only made a treaty to unite forces against the British. At that time, the khas people were less than 5%, and they were still refugees, as they are still today in the minds of heartland dwellers of the Himalayas.

    So, what history do you wanna know more? Don’t tell me the Bahun-manifesto, that you call “Nepal’s History” that were used as a text-book to brain-wash the innocent children. Grow outside the box, and stop being stupid. Stop calling yourself a “Nepali”, that is making everyone shameful.

  43. You smartass, twisting the Nepali history in the way you think are right, is not going to help anyone.

    Whatever bullshiting you just did conveys a message that you do not consider yourself a citizen of Nepal in its current form. You want your own kingdom in Mountains so that you can exploit the poor and live a life of King? Dream on….never gonna happen.

    You have only hatred in your heart for other fellow Nepali. You think you are 1 and others are zero. Your attitude portrays as one of those who were involved in Gaur Massacre. Kill all non Madhesi….in Madhes….and yours being Kill all hindu in Pahad..only gurung tamang magar are brothers and rest are enemy…..right?

    Bring it on….go and kill people… not only money face but brain too…


    P.S: The Gyagar is a Tibetian word…for people who are non tibetian…..if you are using that word against me..than you are also using against yourself or?

    And what is “we” for you? and how does that “We” organization is going to help maintain peace in Nepal? Please kindly difine me your “We”..because surely Im not included in that one….

  44. Look who is foolish and full of hatred? No sane person can argue with you logically. Of course, current discriminitary system helps you maintain your status quo. The time will tell the truth of the history and the real citizen of Nepal.

  45. Nepali, I’m a dalit and I’m tired of people like you.

    “About …not letting to touch the tap and prohibiting in the temples……that was in the past (Once upon a time)….” Please shove your head up your ass if you want to propagate propaganda like this.

    “Buddha was son of a Hindu “King ?uddhodana” and real name of Buddha was Siddhartha Gautam also a Khas name…”

    The Buddha may have been the son of a Hindu king, but he single handedly took on the Hindu hegemonists. He was anything but a Hindu. And if he was a Sakya then he was more Newar than Khas. And by the way, he didn’t resort to calling other people “goo.”

    Indigenous People Seek More, Get Less
    Marty Logan

    KATHMANDU, Jul 21 (IPS) – The glass bangles on their arms are shattered, they are forbidden to put saffron-coloured powder in their hair and to wear red — reserved for those ”blessed” with a husband — for the rest of their lives. Widows in Hindu societies are traditionally treated in ways that today have become striking symbols of paternalism.

    These rituals are still widely practised in the Hindu Kingdom of Nepal, but journalist Khim Ghale says the now frequent reports about widows’ lives ”do not touch me”. Ghale is among the 41 percent of the Himalayan country’s 26 million people who come from indigenous nationalities (‘janajati adivasi’), many of which do not practise Hinduism.

    A reporter for the past six years at ‘Kantipur’ daily newspaper, Ghale says many of his fellow journalists, Hindus, have become obsessed with reporting the ‘widow’, story but when he tries to explain to them how his Gurung culture treats such women ”they laugh”. They also dismiss his arguments that Nepal’s janajatis have the right to study at higher levels in their mother tongues, instead of in the country’s only official language, Nepali, and perhaps English.

    Worse, says Ghale, issues like language rarely get raised here publicly. ”We have so many problems, we have so many issues, why can’t the media report these?” asks Ghale, vice-president of the Association of Nepalese Indigenous Nationalities Journalists (ANIJ) in an interview.

    ANIJ was formed in 1999, both to find some room in the nation’s newspapers and airwaves for discussion of the issues that matter most to the 59 officially recognised indigenous groups in Nepal, and to push the nation’s media managers to make space for janajati journalists.

    Indirectly, the organisation was a product of the 1990 democratic ”spring”, when activists forced the then king to accept multi- party democracy in one of Asia’s poorest nations.

    Another child of the decade that followed was the Nepal Federation of Indigenous Nationalities (NEFIN), an umbrella group that speaks for 49 janajati groups in Nepal. After 1990, ”in terms of material benefit we didn’t get anything, but at least we got this institution … we have been able to establish our identity (and) janajatis are now aware of their rights,” says NEFIN General Secretary Om Gurung.

    Today NEFIN is known as an outspoken organisation with strong support from the international community — but it is still pushing Nepali society to recognise that the country’s indigenous people are different.

    That struggle was set back this week when the government of King Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah cut spaces reserved for janajatis (along with women and dalits, or ”untouchables”) in the civil service, replacing a 10 percent allotment with the possibility for ”positive discrimination” in individual cases.

    At a time when members of Nepal’s indigenous movement are demanding janajatis should be represented in the civil service and higher education according to their population, the new rules are unacceptable, says Gurung. ”If they don’t revise this policy, we’ll take any steps (necessary) against the government … we’ll have to be radical if the government does not show concern.”

    Such words sound an ominous echo in today’s Nepal. For nearly a decade security forces have been waging a bloody fight against Maoists who now control most of the countryside, and who pointedly woo the janajatis and dalits who compose most of their ranks by stressing their oppression by the ”higher” castes.

    ”Janajatis are suffering (at the hands of) both sides,” says Santa Bahadur Gurung, head of an independent office created by a former government to deal with janajati issues. ”Maoists say to them, ‘we are doing these things, we are fighting, for you’. So the government should take very seriously at this point the janajatis’ and dalits’ demands (and ask) ‘what can be done as soon as possible’?” he adds in an interview.

    Established in 2002 but given office space only after a year of prodding, Santa Gurung’s National Foundation for Development of Indigenous Nationalities (NFDIN) is fiercely independent but its chief knows his limits. ”I cannot protest to the government; I cannot demand from the government. What I can do is request from the government.”

    An academic by training, Santa Gurung is methodically building NFDIN’s capacity to assists janajatis. Working with NEFIN, the office classified Nepal’s indigenous groups into five categories, from ”endangered” to ”advanced”. Its strategy is to assist the more developed groups to deal with cultural concerns, like language and education, and to provide more basic economic support to the groups at the opposite end of the scale.

    But NEFIN’s Om Gurung says the indigenous movement as a whole has taken a further step, realizing, ”without political rights we cannot achieve our socio-economic rights”.

    Nepal’s indigenous people are amazingly diverse. One group, the Newars — known as the indigenous people of the Kathmandu Valley — has the highest per capita income of any caste or ethnic group in Nepal, while overall, janajatis rank lowest on the human development index (0.299). Two dominant Hindu castes, Brahmin and Chhetri, rate 0.441 and 0.348 on the index, according to NFDIN figures.

    Janajati groups account for the vast majority of the 106 languages counted in the 2001 census. Significantly, says expert Harka Gurung, ”social demographic data of the last decade clearly evidence a strong tendency towards identity assertion based on ethnicity, language and religion”.

    For example, only four of 19 indigenous groups for which data were available lost mother tongue speakers from 1991 to 2001. Also, there was huge growth during the decade in the number of individuals from janajati groups that traditionally practise Buddhism or traditional (‘Kiranti’) religion who identified themselves as doing so. At the same time, individuals practising Hinduism declined in relation to population growth.

    Despite their diversity, leaders of Nepal’s janajatis agree on a core set of demands, says Om Gurung: freedom of religion; reservation systems in government and schools; proportional representation in decision-making positions; and, in the long term, regional autonomy based on the right to self-determination.

    Pramila Rai and GS Rampyari say just making indigenous women aware is a huge challenge for their group, the National Indigenous Women Federation – – Nepal. ”We are happy to have (sustained) this organisation for seven years … especially because as women we have our homes, our children, our work (outside the house) also. All these things we have to manage,” says Rai.

    The women argue that Brahmins and other ”upper-caste” people who control the government do not make their task easier. For example, when officials previously set aside spaces for janajati women to enter the civil service, 90 percent of the slots went to Newari women.

    Authorities ”come up with all these stupid things … to make us fight among ourselves,” says Rampyari.

    Helping indigenous people access their rights is the goal of the Janajati Empowerment Project (JEP) a three-year, 2.6-million-U.S. dollar endeavour just launched by NEFIN and the Enabling State Programme (ESP) of the UK Department for International Development.

    The JEP aims to: strengthen indigenous organisations, increase awareness among janajatis, make authorities more responsive to those rights, and strengthen the role of indigenous people in policy-making, says ESP’s Bimal Tandukar.

    ”What we are trying to do is mainstream the issues … people who are at the policy level never tried to listen.” Successive governments since 1990 promised in their five-year plans to focus on janajati people, but ”in practice it was never implemented,” he adds in an interview.

    Tandukar recognizes that the JEP is controversial, although he says the government, which has a seat on the project steering committee, has not objected to it. ”Some people think (such a programme) is very necessary because of the conflict” but ”conservatives think this sort of programme will further divide the (Nepali) people”.

    Om Gurung says he hears the latter argument more and more since the king fired the government and took power on Feb. 1. Members of the monarch’s handpicked Council of Ministers ”talk about one nation, one culture, one language. They are a monolithic type of government. They don’t accept plurality or cultural diversity.” (END/2005)

  47. Mila… no wonder you are Dalit ….NO more you people are Just Dalit..and will remain so…

  48. as far as i know many indegenous nationalities and dalit youngsters want to or r willing to get radical if the situation remains the same….

  49. Dear Justice,
    With an insular and a restricted view, there cannot be proper solutions to the problems that confront the society. Caste is one important factor and it is a reality(exists)in the hill Nepalese society and not just the Gagyar society of the plains. It ‘s a fact that Buddha preached against caste system and there is no casteism in Buddhism, but the Hindu influences are too profound among the Buddhists and that must be removed and the gradual ‘Dharamantaran’ of the Dalits to Buddhism is taking place in the sub-continent and it must take place in Nepal too. There is much that needs to happen and caste should be a factor in deciding the future structure of the state, the Dalits- both Kami, Damai, Sarki, Chhamey,.etc. and the Janjatis must get their rights and there must be Constitutional safeguards for them. The relevance of caste is there to identify groups that deserve protective orpositive discrimination from the state.
    Jai Babasaheb Bhim Rao Ambedkar!

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