British Belles Bethi (Plant Paddy and Dance)
Posted on August 2nd, 2008 by UWB
Saturday photo blog: British girls and boys and locals of Ghattitaar village of Ilam district in eastern Nepal take part in paddy plantation in tune with the Bethi tradition. The tradition has almost disappeared in other parts of the district though it has survived itself in this village. While some farmers are starting to plant paddy in Ilam and some other parts of Nepal, others were seen weeding the paddy in places like Kathmandu valley. Photos by Biplab Bhattarai
Filed under: UWB Photo Blog 2
Wow, the foreigners seemed to have a lot of fun. These types of small events can also attract and help the tourism industry as well.
The top decision makers have to think about it seriously.
Poor people! they just embrace any foreigner. Very innocent nepali people.
Fake British people. Racist. They don’t embrace or welcome other people in their country. They get very jealous when other national take their job and other opportunities….
When they go to other’s country. They expect high degree of respect and want to be liked. Its a shame they can’t treat the way we do to them!
the two people were beneficiary were INDIA and “Made” and Nepali government. Losers were local nepali people from surroundings.
sorry - it was for another topic.
Well Jyoti,
there are racists everywhere, Nepal as well. The British are more tolerant than most so lets not go overboard. Noone likes their jobs taken, - does India, China and even Nepal for that matter welcome immigrants and give them citizenship and free health and education to go with it?????
Well Jyoti,
there are racists everywhere, definitely in Nepal as well (hence the terms kuira, bhote, madhise, dhoti, etc, not to forget castism which is also a form of racism). The British are more tolerant than most so lets not go overboard. Noone likes their jobs taken, - does India, China and even Nepal for that matter welcome immigrants and give them citizenship and free health and education to go with it?????
We cant even treat each other right,lets not judge how others treat us.
lucky tourists to be in rural area. normally nepalese do not share .
Nepalese have to understand that aparts from cats dogs and elephants people will be people not because they are nepalese any tourist will only want to be robbed, go to places without condition and put up with ….
There is government money for adult formal education. But not fast money just sit and learn than beg and steal.
FYI: This news probably wasn’t a geopolitical news update!
well said, haha…why can’t we take this news for what it is? some foreigners just having fun? That’s like us going to America and taking twenty pics of christmas dinner ‘w a white family…what is that? racist?…speaking or racist…Oh i wonder what kind of issues we are going through in our own country? hypocrites, get a life!
TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS….these people are probably from peace corps (or is it?) ..and they r nth but a bunch of hippies looking to have fun. and Jyoti, perhaps if u visit these ppl, I can bet they’ll treat u with respect. You can’t please all and not all are going to please you…but always leave room for surprises! I’m sure it made their day to have done this..too bad it ruined yrs to be reading abt it..too bad.
I’m not happy at all with Ha Ha & Maila Dai. I don’t think Nepalese people are racist. I am not gonna denied that we make certain comment about their caste and culture but don’t you think that this happens because of low rate of education in our country. You can’t compare Britain with Nepal.
I am talking about highly civilized country. yes, Britain grants citizenship but what cost? Are you aware of that? We granted citizenship with no cost in nepal. Free health and education don’t just come to your door. we work, pay tax, pay council tax and pay for medicine(prescription). so tell me what do you get free?
That’s a tricky, isn’t it? well, how can you analyzed because you have no brain??? and you are brainwashed with white flesh.
and to remind you, Ha Ha whoever you are? please don’t try to advise me whether I should be judge mental or not, cos that’s not your problem. I am happy the way I am.
And Maila dai don’t give too much attention on white flesh, don’t think about pleasing these well brought up kids and don’t worry too much whether white flesh enjoyed or rice paddy land or not, whether or fellow villagers provided sofistication
…sophistication or not. It would be worthy if you and other nepali ppl think about pleasing our own people.
well, I don’t think you have ever worked with White people with them doing the same kind of responsibilities. I think, where ever you are/were worked in that places where white pple never want to do those job. That’s why you don’t know what;s inside in thier mind.
Jyoti, please pile yr comments into one for next time, see what u’ve done to me here…haha.
response to comment #1: u r not happy ‘w us? wud u like some cherry n whipped cream on top of our comments? well, too bad..like i said, can’t please ‘em all. we just have diff. opinion, only makes us more human.
ccomment #2:Jyoti, exclusively brought to u, http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=5312009&page=1
just take a look (oh and please read before u judge this one by the color of their skin or where they’r from), this article ACTUALLY talks about what they’re doing instead of just a photo caption..it’ll help u)
comment #3: while we’r at it..wanna share sum great things u’ve done to please the nation?
comment#4: u love jumping to conclusions. well miss i-know-the-white-brain-inside-out, to answer yr question: yes I have/do work with the white ppl and i was shocked to find out their blood is red, they worry about similar things (govt, family,) but obviously have a diff culture. I have frens from slovakia, nigeria, romania, china, peru, bhutan, ehiopia, etc…so not to brag but i have seen all colors. and if u sway away from the stereotypes and get to know ppl in person, u can make some good friendships! thats what the rest of us do.u shud try that sometimes when u get some time out of complaining..
oh and a msg to UWB: please add more info next time to your wonderful picture galleries like this. Unless you r sharing yr photographic skills, it might help to give more info instead of letting us figure out what could be happening!
u don’t want us to do steal yr jobs by interpreting yr pictures do you? j/k.
oh n sorry for not practicing what i preach (piling comments) but here goes a little more…abt the racism thing.
do u think ppl in Nepal think very highly of a black man who walks along the street vs a white man…Oh i wonder if they call it racism…Im not speaking for anyone here but we all have a little racist creature unfortunately…just generalizing who’s racist n who’s not itself is a racist comment, miss. racists r those species who walk on earth with no sense of respect to individuals.
I think, the way you compare between a Black vs a White man on the street…….so cheap/narrow thinking! It tells me that you have no idea what i meant by “Racist”. we don’t have a recist creature…..that’s not racist you call instead you should say “Jealousy”.
I think you have problem with differentiation of word. so why don’t you stop questioning on my comment. What’s the point? Who doesn’t have a clue, what I am talking about?
Ok, so people from various communities celebrated this festival no matter which caste or creed, which country or whatever.
They had a great time out there.
Jyoti I’d love to write a ‘bibechnatmak uttar’ but time is of essence to all of us, so: Forget who’s racist(from yr own definition) and who’s not for a moment and look at the bright side of the picture: some ppl having fun out in the field(the kind of fun you and I take for granted..unless u tell us planting paddy is yr hobby). so, similar experience i’d have on my first trip to walmart (now i’ve seen so much i forgot that feeling)
united voices, that’s more like it..take the news for exactly what it is. some ppl having a gud time outside in summer!
Jyoti,
You have hardships working in the West with white people and you are bitter about it and I understand.
BUT you have to be honnest : there are as many racists in Nepal than anywhere on this planet.
I was a trekking guide in Nepal for 14 years and had been treated like a dog by those immigration kalo topi during all this time. There is absolutely NO WAY to stay more than 150 days a year for a foreigner in Nepal, even if you wish to pay your income taxes, and nobody cares about that. This is why if finally renounced to live in your country.
On an other hand, my friend Mutki Gurung, with wich I undertook a great himalayan traverse tek (one year from Srinagar to Ilam in 89/90) is now living in France since then ; he had hard times to get is resident visa, BUT HE GOT IT.
Your are just beign selfish like a spoiled brath when you write your stuff. Tourism is the main industry in Nepal, but it is so badly handled by so stupid people that is is stagnating… because of conformism, rigidity and massive corruption.
Your are the racist one, chap
From my tiny village deep in the heart of France and far away from my beloved country Nepal because of those atrocious kalo topi.
Cyp
Wow being a nepali i have never done this paddy song & dance, its looks real fun. btw - why dnt we jus leave it at tht … raking up the whole issue of racism …. blah blah …?? wht for
Cyprien Luraghi
your last paragraph suggests that you are a Nepali. Your name is french (name can be fake) but it’s not a big deal.
Now I’m confused whether you are a Nepali bloke or a French bloke? …..if you are (according to your last para, claims) nepali then why you are so up set with my statement about “white flesh” ? if you are not nepali and you are French, then why are you saying that “my beloved country Nepal”?
Why should I be bothered whether Mr Gurung got resident visa or not? is it anybody’s business?
I’m so confused and having a thought whether to deal with you and your comments further? Because i found you extremely disturbed and confused person.
to make clear, I am not talking about “kalo Topi” in nepal. you were just a guide but i met so many ppl in nepal who owned tourist company, explains that Tourism is poison for Nepal. We know how much “white flesh” enjoyed our cheap hospitality. When i see their (white flesh) real behavior, I would like to kick their ass!
When i was in Birgunj VDC for 2 months, ppl used to call me “pahade’ but i don’t think , you call that they being ‘racist’ ?
I you are french - my suggestion for you would be “don’t throw with ill ideas’ about nepal. you know what is best for nepal. Tourism is good for Developed country, not for developing country. Tourism makes country/local citizen dependent and less productive. Tourism will help life of very few people.
Interesting comments there Cyprien,
I couldn’t tell where u r from either…i could care less…
Jyoti(on Cyprien’s comment),
“Why should I be bothered whether Mr Gurung got resident visa … anybody’s business?” - AGREED
“ppl used to call me “pahade’ but i don’t think , you call that they being ‘racist’ ?” OMG! so we have racism in Nepal? lol
“.if you are …nepali then why you are so up set with my statement about “white flesh”- do we all HAVE 2 concur?
Wow! Jyoti, you really HATE the white flesh don’t you? All I’m trying to tell you is yes, the white flesh have abused about every color when they could (less today than what it used to be) but there are also a good number of ppl making positive impacts (just don’t TOTALLY ignore them)…remember the link I sent you last time?;-)…be a lil optimistic…the world isn’t so bad..all this makes me wonder where u r ..currently..?
The comments and sweeping generalisations by “jyoti” at the beginning of this blog were uncalled for and dissapointing.
ok so the british ppl also have opted for nepalese culture, what about nepalese ppl, r they forgetting their own culture?
the only one racist here seems to be this jyoti twat. And jyoti stop trying to lecture me like I dont know how this or that is. You have no idea to the extent of my knowledge and experience with the world. You write as if I’ve never seen a white person before.
Again, Nepal definitely has racism, not unlike other countries - but iut is’nt anything but racism - so please stop with your silly explainations. And yes taxes are paid to get education and health in Emglans etc, but you do get them and you do get higher salaries otherwise why go live there. Live here. People pay taxes here too incase you didnt know. And unlike what you suggest we do not “grant citizenship” at no cost - infact we do not grant citizenships to immigrants at all - Britain does - do you now get the distinction - we are eithe born citizens here ot not - nothing is granted.
And your taxes there gives you superior health care and education (not to forget public services, social security, old age pension etc etc etc) - if that was the case here everyone would love to pay the taxes. You strike me as someone who either lives there or works with many white people - if you’re so unhappy quit and come stay here. Instead of being a closet hypocrite whining on blogs.
These kids look to be about high-school age. I am a bit dumbfounded by all this discussion as to whether they (or Britain in general) are racist. Have a look at http://www.ratemypuppy.com if you really want something to be outraged about.
There are elements of racism in most countries sadly. Indeed, some of the offensive comments posted by viewers on this very site on the oath taking issue, show that unfortunately racism is of course, in Nepal as well. However, just as many countries suffer racist elements, there are usually a greater number of decent people who respect the common humanity and dignity of everyone. There is no space for generalisations on this site.
If someone comes into my country and tries to take away my securities, my livelihood, my culture and my way of life, Do you think I will keep quiet ?
Jyoti-Scotland….did u expect the westerners to welcome u with garlands and flowers. I mean you went wherever you went because YOU knew it was better than where you were, in terms of life, education, financial rewards whatever it maybe.
Of course you will not be well liked by the locals of a country where you go because as an immigrant you take certain things away from them. That is not racism.
What is racism is this divide between madhesis and pahadis within a country in which both belong equally.
This racism exists in nepal just like in other countries.
Jyoti-remember if you don’t like where you are you are more than welcome to go back where you came from. No one will plead you to stay in the country of the “white people” and I am sure you were not taken there as a slave either. It was afterall your choice.
Haha and Matribhumi
you pple are brainwashed by white ppl, so as world and I don’t blame you for that. I acknowledged that you ppl are being too stupid to understand the real world.
Even in America, Black ppl and most importantly Barack Obama (democratic candidate) admit that in 21st century, white ppl are racist ( now i don’t have time and put it this way.. its not my job to educate you this issue. I think, some of these unique qualities in us, make every individual a different person and i can tell that you and me are very different people on this aspect)
Do i give you few more example? Michael jackson (now, leave his child molestation issue) and Naomi Campbell, Jessy Jackson etc etc say that they still faces racism (I don’t need your comments)
I don’t value your cheap comments coz i don’t care what you bark on this issue. Although, I would say this to you (you won;t change my mind) that “white ppl are the only ppl on earth who committed crime in this earth - they wiped put Red Indians, they started Isreal war, they started Korean and Vietnam war, they started Iraq war, they killed millions in Cambodia etc etc (not i don’t need your statement against communist - again you little knowledge doesn’t change my thoughts and intelligence)
White are only talks double standard in this world. .. …., but now I think, Time is over. Everybody knows about their double standards, and Chinese is dominating in terms of economy, technology, GDP, population etc etc.
Don’t try to make me fool just because you are arrogant prat.
By the way i am living like a princess, in Heaven!
Someone here is monotonously paradox.
Mailadai, Matribhumi, Ha Ha
while my comments are under moderation, why don’t you have this as well.
Actually, I’m sorry for forgetting my level by not understanding our Nepalis value and so sorry for making you all upset by yelling white flesh “racist”. I never realized that We Knight Nepali ppl care for others / foreigners (never care for our own when 12 ppl were beheaded in Iraq), die for foreigners (Gorkhas died for Britain but never bothered to fight for own country), worship them like a God (welcome them with garlands and flower - as mattribhumi says).
I made a mistake by not being able to share my happiness with your guys for Brits chicks and blokes. Because i am selfish like white ppl, when their ppl died in 9/11 they cried, however when children killed, unborn babies died in the womb, when ppl lost their parts of body and killed, white ppl smiled and are not bothered about as long as they see their ppl bombarding other innocent Iraqis.
I should be shutting my mouth and learn to praise this white Brits enjoying….! by hiding the truth. I should be just like others (you know there there is a saying in nepali - “Kaag Le Kaan Lagyo Bhanda afno Kaan nai na chhami Kaag Ko Pachhi Lagne” ) I made a mistake by not running after Kaag and made mistake by “Checking my Ears” before running after “Kaag”
From now on, I don’t value my knowledge, education, thoughts but i will be ready to walk hand in hand with white flesh…Ok
Are you guys happy now?
I should be checking on the villagers whether they are looking after the Brits. Beat and shoot them if they are not looking after Brits (coz Britain feeds our whole population and pours funds) (even though Nepalis are living like a servant / a second class citizens in foreign country)
Matribhumi, don’t worry. I will head back to that village and provide my service to the Brits and make them more happy. Yes, i have no right to complain about white ppl.
I won’t be like Brits “Noisy” (if they don’t like muslims,..stop doing business with middle east, if they don’t like chinese,…stop going to China, stop importing goods from China, ….Isn’t that simple,…Ha Ha ?)
As your (Ha Ha) theory say -” if they don’t like something drop it ” , ” if they don’t like some place, don’t live there” why can’t they (Brits) be like as intelligent as our “Ha Ha” and “Matribhumi” ?
Not only that guys. I will grow plants and animals (don’t care, if these animals are dangerous for our own local ppl) so that white flesh comes and enjoy their time and we just massage their ass and follow them. Coz, white flesh are our first priority, isn’t it guys?
UWB webmasters, I understand that this site is designed as a democratic forum, but there should be limits. I would be grateful if the offensive comments of Joti are deleted. Thanks!
This post was supposed to be a celebration of humanity, but because of one fool, who is an ignorant, an uneducated, a hypocrite and a bitch, I am smelling the stench of racism. I am glad she is where she is, and I wish she rot there.
r the Brits treating the Scots OK?.. r u kidding? of course, white flesh r our first priority! including the Scottish. where have u been all this time? why else did u think they wrote this article.
Jyoti, its easy 2 criticize (if u r so inclined) than to present a solution….got some for us miss?
Jyoti, u might wanna save yr theories (n many many experiences and thorough understanding of Nepal’s foreign relations n policies) for another article that speaks about such things if at all. Otherwise how ’bout a nice big cup of STFU!
I am sad the way this post has turned out. Anyway, it was nice to see some visitors enjoying Nepal and Nepali hospitality, and learning about rural life, especially in places like Ilam where visitors do not usually go. It is good to promote tourism in areas away from the main tourist centers.
On the issues relating to global justice that Joti was lecturing on above: These are not associated with race (and I am not sure they ever were), but with economic classes. An obsession with an outdated idea of meaningless racial categories (i.e the white vs non-white) diverts attention from the economic structures in the global economy (which are nothing to do with ‘race’) that lead to rampant inequality, environmental degradation and war. The views expressed by Jyoti (on “white” people) are deeply disturbing, and are obviously shaped by the writers own racial prejudices.
Actually, the exchange of ideas through rural tourism etc (providing it is done in a sensitive and sustainable manner, and has two way benefits) are one of the small things that can be done to build up understandings between different peoples and regions of the world. Such understandings are neccesary for finding joint solutions to global problems.
Of course, I am not denying that racism exists, but it is one problem amongst many facing the world, and one that exists in most countries. However, fighting racism with more racism has never worked.
I hope the comments from now on will be more reasoned and sensitive.
Well, Noname you should be advising UWB webmasters, to delete the offensive comments made by other ppl. I guess we are different ppl with different vision, experience and intelligence. If i was you, certainly, I would have suggested to delete these offensive words which represent too offensive to me (that didn’t do for you) such as a Bitch (as AK said), a twat (as Ha Ha said). Not only this, but its very uncomfortable to go through some ppls saying with so much “f - word” or offensive both in Nepali and English in other topics…
To all, why don’t you guys to to British Embassy and ask for VISA ….just say “you love them and you defend them” go to Britain and USA and work with them and one more don’t forget to post nepali ppl’s pics -working as Illegal in Indian restaurant and factories.
I know reality is bitter! I only tried to put the reality which ppl (didn’t occur to me personally) from different background said publicly in USA and UK. If that hurts you, it’s your problem.
I have a question for u guys. Are you sensible? when it comes to domestic violence in Nepal? our nepali sisters being sold in Bombay, how do you feel about it? do you beat your wife or have you seen men beating their wives? what did you do at the situation?
Did you guys see (in movement 2006) a army kicking a girl then she was taken to hospital? Do you always raise your voice just like you did for Brits?
I was aware of and became more familiar with these elements/terms ‘racism’ ‘Bullying’ When i was in USA and UK. If you don’t understand the deep meaning of it then you never understood White culture (95%).
I agree, only handful of people are great and thoughtful and they managed to drive their country as an Icon of the world. Think of how would world be if that 95% ppl are as same as 5%? world would be like “Heaven” “peaceful” as Martin Luthor King, Abrahm Lincoln, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and Barak Obama, wanted!
Noname, you are so scared, aren’t you? …lol (that reminds me of something. Years ago we were so scared of even spelling our Kings name and princess names)
I want to hear that any White ppl care about foreigners in their land. I have never met and heard any white ppl saying “Oh I’m so happy, at least, ppl from other country enjoying our hospitality, in our country! (as you’ve expressed)”
I think we are more used to with this terms instead they ask you “why do you come here?” they never think of a Global Relation, do they? But they are so quick to have their outdated meaningless prejudice on us “to work & make money”. Have you seen real Brits in Britain? They are just out of control, even government is finding so hard to tackle one of the current problems that Britain is facing now (now i don’t need your unrealistic/impractical thoughts / theories about humanity).
If Racism is outdated and meaningless then why in USA, ppl are not voting for Barak Obama, a Black man? they are clearly saying that Barak is Muslim and Black that’s why they don’t trust him,….on National TV, CNN, ABC etc. Do you believe that? Of course not, cos you believe that “racism’ issue is no longer exists in human in this world, don’t you?
Noname, pls tell me - How do I change my bad habit of having meaningless ideas which are taken from white ppl. How do I stop questioning “If white ppl / foreigners go to Nepal, I start thinking about “why are they doing in Nepal?” Are they there to spread bad influence as they did in Thailand, in nepal too? will they influence our innocent sisters and brothers into ………? pls tell me?
Noname help find me foreigners who welcome us in their country and be happy for us with our happiness …..i am sure you’ve been living with these kind of ppl who have this mentality?
once again, i don;t mind by your comments / dislike because, “I rather have a hatred telling the truth, than have liked by you telling the lies”
Maila dai, what’s that ” big cup of STUF?”
if you are in S… d, then why not? what’s wrong with having a cup STUF?
Of course racism exists, and it does all over the world, including Nepal, and it is a sad reality. I never said it did not. My problem is the way you talk of “white people” as if they are some kind of single category. What do you actually mean by this? You would not be happy if soemone started talking of Nepali people like they are all the same. That is not helpful, as it brushes over the economic structures which cause oppression. There are people with racial prejudices in UK (like there are everywhere), and there are also people whe welcome outsiders kindly… It depends on where you go in the country and who you mix with. Just as there are racists who will oppose Obama, the fact he has become so succcessful suggests things are hopefully changing.
Finally, there is nothing wrong with expressing your views, but do so in a democratic and non-offensive manner so people take you seriously.
And also remember that a huge population of countries like the UK is non-white. How can you reduce a whole country to such simplistic categories.
Hi Jyoti,
You really sound bitter!
Lets leave out the question of racism: like United Voices said, its good to see so many people celebrated, and lets leave it at that. You will see good and bad everywhere, and you can choose to focus on either side, and it takes up more of your life. The only thing in the end you can do is choose what you want to do about it.
Racism is caused by stereotyping a whole race for an impression in ones mind (or at least part of racism is caused by that). Do you want to stereotype all white people because of a bad image in your mind caused by your own bad experiences? Is that not why there is so much hatred between people of different races in different places in the first place?
How can you bring out the good qualities in people? Or do you believe that people cannot change, and that if you are white, you are racist for sure?
Or, are you trying to lash out against foreign policies, but are instead stereotyping a race/flesh instead?
Thank you itoyj. I am glad there is someone else who can actually have a reasoned discussion.
it’s a sad you are telling me that live with it. I feel betrayed by Brits and Americans, the way they have ruled in our mind and heart. They are spying on us through UN - Talks about human rights? women rights? equal opportunities?
that won;t help us that help them. when foreigner to their country enter their country, we have to abide by their rules but when they go to other country they tried to change the rule?…too smart!
I can guarantee you that nobody live poor nepali welcomes foreigner. Its about color, isn’t it? if a black person comes to your door, you have a second thought about having him, but if that person is white then, straight away, you accept him wholeheartedly without having a second thought. So we can’t just ignore these which are deeply rooted on us.
Noname, I don’t know where you got this figures about non-whites. For your information see the details below:
In UK, the total population is 58.80 millions. on that, 1.7 million ( 3%) is Northern Ireland. 2.9 million (5%) is Wales. 5.1 million (9%) scottish and 49.1 million (83%) is English.
if you categorize black from white then the figure is as below:
White = 54.2 million (92%) of whole population of UK
Ethnic Minorities = 4.60 million (8%) that includes Indian, mixed, pakistani, bangladeshi, Black caribbean, black african, chinese and others)
out of 4.6 (8%)
Indian = 1.1m
mixed = 0.7m
pakistani = 0.7m
bangladeshi = 0.3m
black caribbean =0.6m
black african =0.5m
chinese = 0.2m
others = 0.5m
Wow !
I’m back after a few days off and the discussion is litterally vibrating !
Hey Mr. Jyoti : I am a white man, therefore you must hate me…
Unfortunately, I was hated as well by the French people when I was a kid, because my parents are Italian immigrants… The called me “macaroni”, which is as unpleasant as the “bhandar” I heard many times about me in India and neighbouring countries.
You see, everybody hates everybody. Not funny.
Actually, I am “color blind”, that means I really don’t give a damn about skin variations and/or cultures differences. A human being is an interesting bipedian animal with a big brain, supposed to be able to elaborate complex thoughts…
OK, you hate the Brits because some of them despise you. But they hate those immigrants from Poland too, you know that. In France, right now they hate Arabs (that means Algerians, Morrocans, etc.) . In the 60’s their hatred was concentrated against Italians. Different times, differents fashions, as usual.
Happily, most of the people on Earth are not like those abominable racists… but those bastards shouts louder than the peaceful ones…
You never met nice white people, but you should, because they do exist. They even care about poor illegal immigrants. Yes, in 2008 there are such nice people. You know that the French elected Nicolas Sarkozy as a president last year and that this guy hates immigrants. His governement even chases them to send them back forcefully into airplanes that will drop them back in their original coutnry.
Well, how to say… hum hum… OK, here it is :
There is a very efficient network coping with this horrible fact (RESF, follow the link, even if you don’t speak french, you’ll undestand) :
http://www.educationsansfrontieres.org/
…and those bloody white monkeys, do you know what they do ?
They HIDE them ILEEGALLY, facing huge penalties (fines upto 50000 euros and upto five years imprisonment, so those black immigrants do not get deported.
And they are not just a mere dozen of those chaps : they are thousands, from every class of the society and political parties (except the fascists, of course). Remember : I IMPORTED a Nepali in France. You can smile : it’s supposed to be a joke
But Jyoti, you are so much obsessed by your… obsession, that I forgot I initially came here to comment this UWB! post, which I found wery refreshing from the usual political melodrama jam stuff. And not only in Nepal : listening to the news in Europe is rather depressing, by the time being.
Wish I would be 30 years younger (I’m 50), ’cause those gals look are so pretty in their nepali dresses
I will not talk about he tantalizing nepalese beauties on the pics, because I’m sure you would overeact….
As I write this, I remember the 80’s whre I could have been a part of this scene, too… Have you ever been in the deep countriside, in you own land, Jyoti ? I mean in, let’s say about two weeks away by foot from KTM or big cities ? They are like that, like me too, ’cause I’m basically a villager, not a city guy. And in Nepal too.
Push your keyboard aside, Jyoti, and make your brrowser zoom full sreen on those photographs, breathe well and relax.
There is beauty and love somewhere, at last !
Cyp’
free online writer
Noname are you kidding me? using my name “itoyj” ? you are trying to give a sort of impression that make us believe that it (itoyj) is a “different person ” i don’t believe you.
there isn’t any…. itoyj….ok. but I am sure its you. Only you.
Hello Jyoti,
I was also surprised by name ityoj, but unfortunately it is not me! Come on, Im not that bad! I do agree with some of his/her views though.
Its fine to criticise foreign policies, and and the way organisations such as the UN work, not to mention British immigration policy… As “itoyj” said though, do not reduce it all to a single race!
itoyj
come up with different name - that’s a shame you used my fake name.
Just wanted to say this ” yes, I’m bitter coz I am real” haven’t you heard that “reality is bitter” I believe in reality. Stereotype people in Britain or US it can’t be possible, can it? they are the ruler of the world. we follow their policies, don’t we? people like you and Noname aren’t stereotype but how come ppl from Developed country, suddenly happen to be stereotyped?
Jyoti- I think you should type in nepali bc u know even the language that you are tyoing in shows “racism”. Don’t blame the “white people” for all your problems. There are many examples of people who did not get opportunity in their own countries and have gotten success in the western world.
You are greatly mistaken to assume that white people dominate everyone. There are many who have been successful in the western world who are not white. This success came to them becasue they were treated no different than the local residents of that country.
Jyoti- if you don’t know people in Nepal you cannot get anything (any government work done), this is not true in the western world. As a woman in the middle east you are no one but an object so remember that the status of woman is far better in the western world.
Think with your pea sized brain for a moment before you open your mouth and write in a grammar that has a TOEFL score of less than 100.
So the problems lies me writing in English ? I knew that, how scared R U? are you scared…is it because, in case, English read my comments then they will shoot / dominate you? or what?
Matri…..its my problem whether to write in English or Nepali. Don’t you worry about it. I can handle it.
I am not coward like you even i live in their country. Look at you, its a shame! I dont want to put myself (my pride) down by communicating with you (your kind of ppl).
I feel sick even typing…oh….you are so….it tells your level, truly.
and i know that you want to so British….how much you care them, don’t you?
GOOD FOR YOU!
Hi everyone,
I know many Nepalis who have moved to the Uk and had a great time. Some have become quite successful and some have had harder times. From what I heard though, most found local people welcoming and friendly, especially away from the big cities, which i guess is just like Nepal!
We are not all that different after all are we?
Our dear Jyoti, (who secretly lives ‘w the nazis in heaven or sth)
Jyoti, clearly most of us here haven’t denied racism but we like to hope that there’s always someone who surprises you (its one way to prove that we are not animals!) but yr approach is unique…again, did u read that article i sent u?
any thoughts at all miss?
haha..its funny u generalize everywhere miss…ever wonder why the Russians, eastern Europeans ALSO get this same question….“why do you come here?” when they r seen doing sh*t work in US…FYI: Russians are white(surprise!)…do u get it? That’s irrelevant. People in developed country will ask that questions whatever yr f*cking color is…It’s about the feeling of insecurity with jobs at home…ask the red necks in here…once u r FOREIGN(the word u r missing), boy u r damned!
guys she’s just gonna keep whining here! that’s the only way these creatures get through life! after all, we love differences
Jyoti, 1 credit for u thou, fr getting all the attention here!
hi joyti ji ,if people from other country comes to nepal for work?what do u do? i think u are racist.not those people.u better go to the mental doctor
yes they are having fun whatever race or nationality,
This discussion is going no where. I don’t understand why there is so much of hatred against a group or community of people with certain background. Like maila dai, it reminds me of Hitler and his atrocities towards Jews. Reconciliation is the only way out of this. Again, this is a dichotomy that a person with a name “Jyoti” indeed using the names in the likes of Mandela, Gandhi and so forth puke out that bile hatred. If I am not mistaken “Jyoti” means light, but here it seems the person is devoid of any light, or may be the light is too bright that the person is not seeing anything. It reminded me of that comic i read couple of weeks ago, Watchmen by Alan Moore, this eternal struggle between just and unjust and how we are all blinded by in this cardinal sin of universal hatred, and the only way to end this hatred,….. well, I am not going to spell it here!
Well, the good news is that, after disatrous years, the rains poured to bless the paddy fields…. and that’s great for people.
AK,
‘ “Jyoti” means light, but here it seems the person is devoid of any light,.. eternal struggle between just and unjust and how we are all blinded by in this c’ - very well said.
Yas, i realize now that this whole discussion is going absolutely nowhere…but hey, thank god it still rains in Nepal!
It seems that I’m the only person left who experienced ‘racism’ here? all of you guys seem never had to experienced of “racism” (who knows, perhaps, they never want to admit / share their past - except from Cuprien Luraghi who seems realistic, appreciate your story).
I don’t hate you just bcoz you are white guy, when i was at Uni, i had lots of frens from French, Germany and i worked with Italian, Spanish and Polish students in Italian restaurants. You know, Cyprien, this is the main problem on us. if nepali people have something they think, they are very rich - out of touch!, if they don’t have a little, then our society gives them a second look which makes them feel small person. I still can believe these other guys who “talk the talk but can’t “walk the talk” not only nepal but this happen in entire South East Asia. They are more likely to listen to foreigner than their own. That’s why UN is so successful in Africa and S. E. Asia. (coz, we don’t trust our own ppl rather we embrace foreigners)
In contrast, China is the only country left in the planet that, foreigner are not successful to air their influences. Because Chair man Mao, forcefully made chinese people realized the important of self reliant. No matter how hard challenges were, look at china now, Even USA is building “the world’s biggest Embassy in China” Chinese have improved their lives by double standards. We used to see in CNN, China’s misery before but now China can shake the entire world. Even world’s most powerful country USA is running after China now.
Yes polish gets questions like “why do you come here” actually its a national debate in UK. Brits are complaining on “Too many Polish came to Britain and took their jobs (not only service providing job but other too like: doctors, engineer etc)” even politician are finding hard to tackle this issue now. There are so many documentaries shown on TV about polish living in the UK. which mainly documented on how they think of Brits and how Brits think of Polish. Compare to polish, we are nothing. Many asians never or haven’t have yet, reach there, to experience “racism’. So I don’t expect some ppl to understand this just by meaning.., afterall ‘racism’ is about feeling, experiencing…and so on…
if some body talks about something that doesn’t mean that is all about that meaning. we don’t even say to each other that we are hungry because we don’t want to show other people to show our problem. we just learnt to fake our shortcomings. Asian in UK are too shy to share this problem each other therefore never got the solution either, and the result is - stay at home, accepting doll.
But some ppl are challenging, have a different drive (a hope, idea, vision) in mind and try to face and fight for it. there are still one organisation called “BNP” in england and one in US “KKK”
I like to scrutinize every thing before i jump into conclusion. the will be no “Hitler” and there will be no “Holocaust”, if there was no middle east (Oil). There will be no Israel, if there was no “Hitler”.
I live very well. perhaps some of you guys never dream of. But that’s not fair if I fake “racism”. Just the way you are faking it. How our new generation, will be known, or how can we educate them if we don’t talk about “racism” the more you know. you will survive better.
Racism will never go away as long as we (human beings) live in this world of Globalization.
Hey Mrs Joti, wassup?
I scollled up your comments. you said. “Tourism is good for Developed country, not for developing country.” where did you get this naice idea from? Give me some reasons and examples if you are wise enough and why???? I’m really shocked
correction:
naice =naive
For Mrs Kathmandu Born Baby
From your question, i can guess that, you think yourself very wise person. I would have answered you, if you have approached me different way.
Joti - Scotland
sucked me !
CYP
I hadn’t looked up your writing until now. I have no idea, why you put that french links?
Cyp, you may be 50 but I am sure i have travelled many places more than you and met many ppl than you. Let me tell you how i did that. at he age to 7 i started to help my father with his shoe shop in Kathmandu. When i started college, i started working voluntarily in a magazine. when i was 18, i went to different places of nepal, sometimes for 2 months or sometimes 1 weeks for data collection.
Cyp, you have asked me question like i never have put my feet out side to Ktm? Do you know, even in USA and Europe (doesn’t matter whether you belong to a country or a big city), people don;t know about their own country.
Despite the fact these people are in developed country ( this means - they have good transportation system ie trains, tubes, buses, own transport), what about Nepal? as you mentioned, that you’ve been to Nepal, did you see any trains running or any systematic transportation? None. and Still we could n;t afford it. But i still managed somehow to travel my own country.
Cyp, if you ask, people in scotland a question “Have you been to London?” and answer you get is “No…Never!” but I heard of it! there we go. Therefore Cyp, do you ask me that stupid question again. I know, not only Britain but many parts of America and Germany but still to explore France.
As i said on my previous comment, I like to know things and open my mouth. that’s exactly I’ve been doing here. you may be thinking that I am ‘Illegal or refugee”, I am not any of these. But I keep myself aware of these issue. I saw a documentary about a “french man” helping refugees from Afganisthan, Iran and African continent to go to Britain. He gives foods to these refugees everyday. So you don’t need to tell me, how people are in this world.
Cyp, i would like to ask you one question. since you said you know Nepal and its places and people very well, apart from giving false compliments, ie “nice people people” “lovely country”, what have you done for poor people of Nepal so far from that?
or are you planning to go nepal for quite ‘meditation” because you are 50 now (don’t get me wrong here, coz, that ’s what foreigners do- they open charity school , keeping 20 pupils on their school and make money)
Cyp, you know one french doctor, he is in nepal, living there doing meditation. No wonder these old foreigner will make nepal like “Tibet” . meditation …meditation …..meditation but no work! its okay for them coz they get money from their country or perhaps pension but what about Nepal? What if youth, teenager or adults (hot blood) follow the same path as you? who will be responsible for that?
Don’t try to make Nepal another “Tibet”!
u clearly didn’t get the point: U seem to want to talk(n preach) abt racism at a wrong place, wrong article ‘w a wrong approach! but hey blog’s not a bad place to answer an idiot so im gonna go at it. oh im sorry did i hurt yr feelings?oh I’m just another “innocent Nepali people” like u said.. keep reading…
Joti, may b u r the kind of person who takes comfort in conveniently believing that there is this problem in life that will treat u like a b*tch and there’s nth you can do about it OTHER THAN WHINE ABOUT IT. most of us don’t. oh and we appreciate, if things are going the right way (hint: this article) With racism, there’s only one solution- increase awareness and learn how to keep an open mind and POSITIVE ATTITUDE…without b*tching about it. let’s see how we’ve(YOU) handled it…
Okay, so racism is a big deal and it’s a problem..what do we do? go out to UK, US, etc etc…get the whole racism EXPERIENCE (Joti is a self proclaimed gold medalist on this) and with this increased awareness, wat do we do? live a pretty gud life abroad like u mentioned…and then start preaching online through holistic approach about how people should open their eyes to what’s new in the World- racism!…miss u think we are living in stone age?…wat do u think of yrself the ONLY one to have seen the world? wake up!…..but you are right with one thing, it is about experience…in a 98% white community, where I had my culture shock at its best/worst there were was one white family (my roommate’s) who treated me like their own when I was an ‘alien’ to that community, since then I like to think that there are good people around.. You probably had a horrible experience..sorry!
“Racism will never go away as long as we (human beings) live in this world of Globalization.” So that’s the best u can come up with….acknowledge, and share how shitty it is..take a break share a gud story every once in a while, it’ll make others smile
, its gud for yr health. life’s too short to complain and frown all the time.
Hello everybody and sorry because I did not reply fast… work, work…
Jyoti : I am not of the meditative kind. Not at all. Neither was I a working for a charitable trust : I was a trekking guide. And as such, I just did my job the best I could.
That means : for my tourists AS WELL AS for the nepalese staff. That means : I fought fiercely for the porter’s cause and trekking crew, for a long time, along with a friend and coleague, and I got so extreme about it that I even lost my job with one french company because of that (I found another one six month later.)
And I supplied quite a few health posts with medicine for years (in Kusma/Baglung region) for a french NGO. And the chaps who managed this association made no money at all, believe me. They had rather hard times finding a job when coming back to France, little man…
You mix up everything.
If you don’t believe me, just keep in touch and I’ll give you my best friends contacts in Nepal.
Oh, I forgot something : I was (and am stil) a strong and very active supporter of democracy during the first Andoolan in 1990, being blacklisted by the former king Birendra’s govt. If you want details about this period, just ask me.
u are physco why we are giving so much attention to this punk joyti.who doesnt live in nepal and talking about racist.hey u if u think people are racist there.why dont u stay in nepal? why u are out of country ?u…..
stupid, DK !
R u an ass…hole? just today, 2 chinese students were killed…what do you think of that? no racist?
U physco bass…tard.
why don’t you f…up you mouth
DK
Thanks for the modern education of Nepal. All they learn is to use bad language . what’s the point of going in a boarding/english school spending so much money?
Shame on you! who can’t even pronounce a word and who can even spell properly, a word “psycho”?
Why don’t you get one thing - ‘Bloody Americans knows about Mars without being in there” I don’t have to be in nepal just to know racism, do I?
who is asking for attention? i don’t need any of yours comment. You are short sighted arrogant psychopath!
CYP,
How do you first participated (reasons? what made you interested?) on this blog?
I don’t think that you need to justify yourself to me by giving your friends contact in Nepal. But I am glad that you did good job. you mentioned 80’s and 90’s…, you see, i was at secondary school in 1991, i still recall the movement; how we had to run home every day! …you know things like that.
I know this blog since the very beginning ; also I do read nepali e-newspapers everyday : Kantipur, THT, Nepalnews… just because I think Nepal is my homeland, even if I am far away and not able to go back there (family + work, and I’m not rich, too).
I am a blogger in France, but of a special kind : an e-writer. I was published on paper quite a few times, then I realised in 2001 that the web was going to replace books in about thirthy-fifty years. So someone has to start, so I did. And I write also a lot about politics, and not only the french one : I am a leftist, because my parents were extremely poor (father was a mason). I don’t belong or believe in any party, though : power corrupts and spoils everything and everybody.
But I fight for people’s rights, as much as I can, allways ; here and there.
Las point : people think that Birendra was better than gyane. Wrong : he was a bloody bastard too, and the ex-queen a filthy snake. They ordered to open fire in front of Narayanhity palace on 6th of april 1990 and I was the : they even shot kids and elders.
And I am being realistic in thinking that nothing will really change with the republic. Corruption rules.
I hope I can offer several views on this, having lived and worked as a (white) British VSO (like Peace Corps) in Nepal in the 80s, and now as an English-born resident of Scotland.
The pictures brought back happy memories of doing the same near Dhankuta, and of my admiration for Nepali farmers. When I left I was replaced by a Nepali colleague, and I hope I made a useful contribution through my work (that is for others to judge). It is also for others to judge whether I should have been employed in the first place; perhaps there was a (?racist?) assumption amongst my colleagues (Nepali and British) that a foreigner could do the job better. I learnt far more from my experience than I gave, but that learning has influenced me ever since and I hope helped me understand issues of poverty, development and racism.
As for racism, yes of course there is racism in most societies, but you are more likely to find it in those who isolate themselves from contact with other races and cultures than in those like the pictured foreigners who seek to get involved. Indeed, they may have been working in Nepal rather than tourists; I’d like to know more.
I never experienced racism against myself in Nepal; in fact I was sometimes embarrassed by the hospitality and friendlinesss of Nepalis, and their readiness to make me comfortable, often at their own expense. Occasionally I saw racist attitudes amongst foreigners towrads Nepalis, and even more rarely amongst Nepalis towards other castes or ethnicities. Even this was usually sweeping and ignorant generalisations and stereotypes more than actual hatred.
Context is very important; I have lived in Scotland for 13 years and my accent immediately identifies me as English, but I have never experienced anti-English prejudice. However, if I was interested in soccer, or if I lived or worked in a socially-deprived area, I might have had that experience. Many people outside Scotland, however, are very ignorant about the differences between Scotland and England and again that ignorance can lead to thoughtless stereotyping.
Jyoti has obviously experienced racism in my country and that makes me deeply ashamed but I can assure him that not everyone is like that.
Asale Mulekom JOTI
Joti is a black skiny girl for sure.
White pplz hate Joti because she seems like an Islamic terrorist.(even nepalese ppl ignore islam)
Joti can’t have job with white guys cause her brain is backward.
As i know Joti is from Birjunj, souther black girl even she hate Madhesi, Pahade and Himale cause she is totally different from them, absolutely she is from middle-east, golf country fled to Nepal. But I love JOTI :))
Long live Islamic Republic of Nepal
Jhilke
I am talking about Racism here as general. Let me clear one thing, this is nothing to do with whether I’ve been bullied by Racists or whether I’ve experienced Racism. You are right on saying “not everyone like that”.
Jhilke, I am not sure about you, you can be emerged from nowhere just like that, or maybe another face of “Cyprien” both were in Nepal in 80’s, who knows. With these reasons I am a little bit of tentative involving in this conversation.
Jhike, If you say, Nepalese people are friendly and nice, do you know, what we think? what that makes sense/means to us? - that means, we don’t think of bad people in nepal and we only think of good thing that people are really and truly friendly and nice.
If you say, Chinese people are rude, then, we/all the people think chinese are really rude and ruthless animal rather than human being. That’s what we been thinking because of British/American media coz we never get to know each other closely. But I understand, there are so many reasons behind that for British and Americans to say about China and Chinese people.
Jhilke, when you say, I am from Britain (or I’m British), we never think of whether you’re a scottish, welsh, or Irish ? you see, a person can represent whole country / whole community.
When British Prime minister, then Chancellor, in Indian in 2007 was asked by reporters about “Big Brother” thing that Shilpa shetty being attacked in the BB house. Do you know what he said? He said that British people don’t believe in racism and Britain is a country of fairness and human rights, and people of other side of world believe him.
Jhilke, my point of saying these are to make clear that if people racist they are racist no matter which background they belong to, no matter how modern or how educated they are (as you are aware, there are many MP who made a racist comments and they’ve been sacked by Tory leader recently!)
Jhilke, have you seen an award wining English movie called “This is Britain”? I think you should see this,….you know Jhike, Racisim is very complex thing, there are so many elements and factors involves in it. So its not that simple to define racism is about only “Color or skin” . Do not try to categorized these people, when it comes to “racism”.
Jhilke, you said that you lived in Edinburgh for 13 years. I sure you recognize some places this places in Edinburgh like, Niddre, Pilton, Muirehouse, Broomhouse, Gilmorton, stenhouse?
Oh, you can’t even drive through these roads, you know what children do? they throw stone at you, they throw eggs at you not only that they break public transports buses and telephone booth etc etc. even kids like 6years old can be quite intimidating to talk. when they talk, they swear every word.
So please don’t try to ignore these people, when advetising and teaching Britishness and British value. when these people bully and make racist treatment, please don’t try to convince us by saying, ‘oh, these people comes from deprive family” and don’t try to treat these people as “some people”
Like it or not, these people represent “Britain” and Britishness.
Just like Jade goody represented Britishness. Oh not only that but interestingly, former “MIss England”- Daniel and singer “sclape” were all involved too. Jhike, do you categorized them in a different category too?
UWB, this is the first time you put my comment straight with out having to await for moderation????
I dont think Jhilke’s intention was to define Britishness. There is no such thing as “britishness” or “british values” anyway. It is something that the government and right wing tabloids use to try to justify who “belongs” and who does not “belong.” In reality, the UK (and any country) will always be made up of diverse peoples and social groups.
So called “anti-social” or “non-British” behaviour has a cause (eg. free market economy, racial discrimination, social alienation, family breakdown- and all of these are interlinked and cause each other). By talking of “british value” the government can ignore these social structures that prevent people from fitting into their notion of “britishness.” Instead they criminalise people.
Just to make it clear - no I am not Cyprien.
I actually agree with alot of what Joti says about racism in Britain. I live in Edinburgh and recognise the places he mentions. I once considered applying for a job with an NGO in one of these areas, and realised to my shame that I probably knew more (and not much) about Nepali peasants than about my fellow citizens.
Nepalis would sometimes ask me whether Britain had a caste system and I would say “well, not exactly, but….”. We have a class system that is often unstated and very subtle, but, just the same as you can know a Nepali’s jat by their surname, we usually make judgments about someone’s class by the way they speak and what they wear, and their interests. We probably shouldn’t, but we do. I suppose the important part is what you then do; whether or not you show prejudice, even at the level of making wrong assumptions.
As I said before, context is everything. Within Britain, others make assumptions about me as soon as I open my mouth and within Scotland I am thought of as English. It doesn’t bother me because it has never led to prejudice.
There are shocking examples of racism in Britain, of both the unthinking and the more active kind. Many of the tabloid papers encourage this with stories of immigrants and “bogus asylum seekers” taking jobs and benefits, and the 2 main political parties pander to those views;it’s easier than tackling underlying problems like poverty and edcuation. The resentment of poor white people also feeds on this, and leads to support for extremist, even fascist, parties like the British National Party.
Europeans have absolutely no right to take the moral high ground about the caste system. I once explained the Holocaust to a Nepali colleague as Hitler killing 6 million Jews “because they were another jat” and he was of course, like any feeling human being, utterly horrified.
Jyoti.. You are just another cynical individual. It seems you argue just to argue.. without much sense
And Jyoti, take it easy… life is hard for everyone everywhere… Nepal is not racist for you then go back to Nepal, why are you craving for a job in Britain? Of course you can thrive in Nepal and you donthave to bother who is what and not.
Dont want to make look like a series of comments.. but I have to tell you Jyoti, that look around everyone is sharing views against ‘you’. ever wonder why is that? why does everyone else find the world an easy place?? in fact its hard for everyone. but the key to survival is the ability to accept things as it is and understand the beauty of being positive. So what some britons come and enjoy a paddy event? or is it that you are so cynical, unsocial and solitar that you lock yourself in your dank attic in scotland, and not talk to any britons around?
Yes… best is to be positive. Prejudice and racist attitudes are in pretty much every country, open minded people are also in every country.
The best things we can do is to understand how to deal with the problem (along with other opoen minded individuals). There are many organisations that seek to tackle racism, at least in the UK context. However, it is also important to understand that racism usually has a cause, which is quite often economic deprivation and/or ignorance.
Dear Jyoti : no, I am not Jhilke… but I do agree with what he says.
It’s exactly the same everywhere and that is sad. Beign a victim of racism makes you react like you do and I understand, but please, do aknowledge that everybody is not like that.
Hello to Mr. Smith, by the way. And have a nice day, all of you.
Scottish are lazy. .., they drink, eat and go toilet many times! ha ha ha…
Also remember that there are different forms of racism in European countries. People may have racial prejudices or talk about losing jobs to “outsiders” etc (fuelled by tabloids), but in reality when they meet someone from a different race common humanity kicks in (or so i like to think) and they will actually be perfectly decent to them. This is probably most common, and I have met many people like this.
Supporters of fascist groups etc however represent a much nastier form of racism, and fortunately such people are the tiny minority. Such groups prey on the poor, just like groups all over the world that promote politics of hate. Rather than raising their voice against socio-economic oppression, excluded groups are deceived into believing oppression is a result of some “other” group.
I am totally upset by some people who can’t even use their own name for this. So is this the beginning of another propaganda; “e-bullying” “e-racism” or
“e-abuse” ?
I know why they are treating me like that because i am the only woman who is arguing with so many men, isn’t it? That’s how you treat a woman?
I think , we need a woman president in America and Britain. These people will understand how women really behave!
I wanted to write something on Smith’s comments but as