Spring Thunder In Nepal…Glorious But Inconclusive-II

By Govinda Neupane
Rejoinder to the previous article.

[UWB published an article by Neupane on May 30 (Spring Thunder in Nepal: Glorious but Inconclusive) which was equally appreciated and thrashed by fellow bloggers. Here in this esay, Neupane defends his article and responds to criticism. Govinda Neupane is one of the founding members of the Communist Party of Nepal (Marxist-Leninist). Neupaneg.com is his personal web site and he could be contacted at neupaneg1987@yahoo.com.]

Excerpt from previous article:

The so-called national consensus on holding the election of the constituent assembly may not necessarily provide synergy only for forward movement. The situation is fluid and complex and it is natural that the Maoists will maintain their army and even they may expand and strengthen their fighting capacity….Therefore, the polarization between the parliamentary forces and the Maoists sounds imminent. Hence, in all probability, the people have to live in a situation of civil war till the unjust upper class Khas rule becomes history…

Khas Domination:

In Nepal, there are five nationalities – Madheshi (31.53%), Khas (30.89%), MangolKirat (23.05%), Dalit (7.87%) and Newar (5.48%). Besides, there are some small unclassified groups (1.19%). The Khas has four sub-groups. They are Bahun, Chhetri, Thakuri and Sanyasi. The Khas-Hindu rulers used the caste system, cultural invasion and Hindu administrative as well as legal system as the basis for suppressing the cultures of other nationalities. The process of Khas domination had started long ago and the state provided the leadership.

Therefore, the role of the state in creating favorable environment for Khas domination and centralization of available resources, opportunities and power around them is the primary reason for all sorts of inequalities among nationalities. In 2005, Khasas having a population of 30.89% had been occupying 59.18% of the powerful leadership positions in four major areas – state, political parties, private sector and civil society. (For details, please see my book “Nepalko jatiya Prashna: Samajik Banot ra Sajhedariko Sambhavana“, Second Edition – 2005, Center for Development Studies – Nepal, Kathmandu. The first edition of the book in English titled The Nationalities’ Question in Nepal: Social Convergence and Partnership Building through Multiculturalism and Federalism” is available for download here). In reality, if we wish to build an egalitarian, civilized and prosperous Nepal, we should end the Khas domination in every aspect of national life.

Land Issue:

There are four issues involved – ownership, communal relations (i.e., nationalities’ ownership pattern, such as who controls the former Kipat land in Limbuan), value of land as per its location and productivity. In Nepal, land brings prestige, provides insurance cover and ensures livelihood for a large majority of people. Therefore, one has to appreciate the role that land plays. Moreover, it is the most important means of production. Also, the land has contributed to class conflicts, court cases and corruption opportunities for the bureaucrats including in the legal system who are called judges. Therefore, resolution of the land issue has been critical and central.

The issue is not that everybody has to share poverty, rather everybody should have equitable share on prosperity. Therefore, the traditional land reform alone may not solve the problem, though it is true that there is the need of redistribution of land particularly based on “land to the tiller”. Hence, one has to be creative, innovative and willing to accept the mechanism of collective problem solving. Cooperative farming particularly horticulture in commercial scales in the hill areas by bringing land and labor inputs together as shares could be one among such initiatives. In some areas, reverting to communal ownership as an upgraded Kipat system may help. In fact, the most important issues are to ensure equity, justice and prosperity. Let’s collectively continue to search for better and better options to resolve the issues related to land, which is one of the most important productive resources in Nepal.

Maoist Movement:

After the historic people’s movement of 1990, the expectation was that the pace of change would be faster. The aspirations among the people heralded that the political forces should move in an unprecedented speed so as to bridge the political, social, economic and intellectual gap created by overall underdevelopment, injustices and irresponsible governance. After the movement, one or the other party formed the government. Unfortunately, they not only overlooked the people’s aspirations and the national development agenda but also nearly all the leaders and influential cadres of the parliamentary political parties accumulated unimaginable wealth through all sorts of corrupt practices. As a result, disappointment and frustration among the people run high. In the mean time the Maoists took arms.

The politico-economic and social agenda have centered on the armed confrontations, battles and war since 1996. Since then, the society has been passing through a difficult phase of transition. In fact, feudalism has been fast disappearing in the villages. The towns and cities also are passing through socio-political change, speedily. The awakening among the oppressed nationalities has been unprecedented. And, hope has been generated among the people. The “Spring Thunder of April 2006” has opened up the opportunities to realize the dream of a new Nepal. Now, the Nepalese state and people could address the issues of fundamental societal transformation.

Therefore, there is the need of a superstructure, which is compatible to the transformational agenda. If the society has to move forward, there should be a progressive state which operates with dynamic political processes. Obviously, pluralism with a difference (please see my article “Pluralism with Difference” for definition and characteristics on this page.) provides the synergistic environment to all political parties, social and economic forces and mass organizations to function as centers of excellence. Also, it makes them accountable as the people could judge them continuously. The important factors are the orientation of the state power and the choice of a mechanism by which the power is exercised. When the interest of the common people, their values and visions occupy primacy, rest will fall accordingly.

It is important to institutionalize those primacies in the form of constitutional provisions, and for this purpose there is the need of a duly elected constituent assembly. When there are such provisions in the constitution drafted and adopted by the constituent assembly, the armed forces and the bureaucracy need overhaul. A surgical process can insert the new state values within a new operational framework. The amalgamation of two armies into one could provide the opportunity for such surgical process. To create such opportunities, many individuals, groups, parties and forces fought resolutely. Certainly, the Maoists are one among the major players. Therefore, it is normal and natural to appreciate the Maoists for their value adding contributions in this historic process.

Validation of Conclusion

The consensus that has built around the constituent assembly could be the new departure point in the endeavor for building a new nation, a new Nepal. But, if this process gets obstructed, the course may turn again into a violent one. We should not forget this probability only because of the euphoria of optimism. Being impulsive is good, but keeping the head cool is better.

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136 responses to “Spring Thunder In Nepal…Glorious But Inconclusive-II”

  1. coke Avatar
    coke

    Maoists Declare War Against Breakaway Faction
    The terai mukti morcha: the sons of illegal indian father

  2. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Hey bloggers, have you guys even for once thought why the Maoists have become such a powerful force in Nepal within a short span of less than 15 years? Isn’t it worth trying to find out why?

  3. parewa Avatar
    parewa

    Kirat u will never change.There is more to Nepalis here than what u have suggested.Grow up buddy.If u get to,come here,see.Some of us have done phenomenal things and have made every nepali proud.Dont resort to such low levels of unnecessary bashing.Since u dont know my occupation dont comment on it.Comment on the things that i have said.

  4. diehard Avatar
    diehard

    Here is a reply for you Kirat- They used guns, looted at will, killed in whims, is seen and are tyrannical, brutal, and dictatorial. They believe in power through “Barrel of a gun” and “ends justifies means”- so they became powerful and LETS NOT PRETEND OTHERWISE.

    Just for record: They have destroyed Billions of Rupees worth of infrastructure, killed more than 15000 innocent Nepali, and displaced more than 200,000 citizens. Lets set the perspective right before taking leap of faith.

  5. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    parewa you’re the git who said you didn’t want to invest a cent in Nepal. And then confirming the git you are you state that FDI cannot be attracted without political stability-what a gift for stating the obvious. Well we are going to miss the billions that you have made washing dishes. I go to the US around once every two years and know many Nepalis there who are doing very well. From the level of intelligence your postings show I can definitely make out you are paid minimum wage! There I’ve commented on what you have said.

  6. coke Avatar
    coke

    [icd] matrika yadav, [icd] india and [icd] indians

  7. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    diehard, replying to an idiot like you is a waste of time. But hey I have a little time to waste…so you mean to say that Nepal is such a feeble country that any organised group simply with the use of guns (stolen from your (R)NA) can hold the country to ransom? What an oversimplification! And speaks a lot about the competence of your beloved RNA!

    But it’s logical for your half-formed brain to learn such a lesson from 15 yrs of Maoist uprising.

  8. justice Avatar
    justice

    Yet another disguise. Neupane’s classification of ethnographis is flawed at best. Both Thakuri and Sanyasis are Chetri themselves unlike what Neupane explains here as separate castes. Who are the Baishyas and Sudras in his caste classification.

    Anthropologically speaking, i.e. scientific identification of people based on language, color, physical stature, and religious/cultural practices, there are only two grops in Nepal: Mongol/TibetoBurmese commonly known as indigenous ethnic group, and caste-poeple commonly known as Khas people who are later migrants from the loland in recent history.

    By hiding the caste-hirarchy within Khas group, and dividing the rest into various unnatural groups, Neupane just continued committing hinious crime that Khas had started little over couple of centuries.

    While I find some of his opinion useful, the idea is pretty juvenile and illintended.

  9. justice Avatar
    justice

    For those who are Peace hungry, and want to avoide the real issues, I have one advice for you here: Go clean the toilets of your master, get your mother/sister/daughter raped, and yourself called Bhote or Kancha in your own land, then you will feel what it means to be a victim of the society. Then you will know Peace without prosperity is meaningless.

  10. manche Avatar
    manche

    guys,dont waste time talking with thisKirat,a maoist bhote.I know who he is.Its a waste of time and energy.Ignore him.Or he will destroy this blog.Ignore him.

  11. parewa Avatar
    parewa

    gosh,showed ur knowledge and class i guess kirat.So,u know about nepalese in US so much.Makes me laugh.Dont know why u have such an ego.Anyways…i guess its good to ignore you.solong…stupid.

  12. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    ha, ha, losers!

  13. diehard Avatar
    diehard

    Kirat, guess its a two way street. 15 years of arm revolt does that- they went to jungle after they lost the election. Believe or not, they made this country feeble and who can say they will not be counter revolution with the likes of Kirat Autonomous liberation army, Magarwan, Madeshi Morcha, Tharuwan etc.,

    And when you visit US next time, just be prepared for stripped down search just because you are coming from Terrorist tagged Maoist country. Speak for yourself, buddy.

  14. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    So the abject poverty of the people, the inefficiency, neglect and corruption of the state, the discrimation faced by the marginalized communities who make a substantial part of the total populace had nothing to do with the Maoists sudden rise?

    Not in your eyes I guess!

  15. yahoo Avatar
    yahoo

    bandhu parewa
    apropos to your last comment on my inablity to articulate myself, even worse my bad english!

    can’t help it sathi! i am trained that way, went to sarkari iscool in solu-kumbu and picked up all these big words studying from dictionary left behind by some treker, memorizing them under the oil lamp. at the first opportunity, i used them. don’t blame me, it’s my education and i can’t rewind it.

    but please do send me the materials, if you have them, might help me a lot–My English Book, Speed English Speaking Guide (Indian publication), would be a relish, if you happen to have Gulmohr English Books.

    then i might start making sense!

    parewa ji, chittai tapai lai ‘dhukur’ milos vanne mero kamana cha.

  16. yahoo Avatar
    yahoo

    kirat ji
    thank you, you find my post sensible, well that amazes myself, coz most of the time my posts are just phsyco babbles.

    but i honsetly admire your resilence and perseverance to debate on any topics with such vehement, needs nerve i guess.

    i come around when i get bored, and drop few silly comments, mostly i don’t have anything meaningful to say since i am not liberal arts student or economics where most of the debates are fought around.

  17. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    yahoo, I did say there was a little chakari involved, if you noticed, in my compliment to you.

  18. diehard Avatar
    diehard

    There is no denying a fact that Nepal is in lower rung of economic ladder, communities are deprived of basic health care and sanitation as in any other underdeveloped country- a very defination of LDCs but that does not mean revolution or radical change is key to these woes, it is not. Its the proper investment in key areas such as education, health services, transport and communication that empowers the local community whereby benefits society in general- this brings the real change in relative term not the imposed will or change in the name of politics.

    Its not the question of defending the unequal disparity that exists in Nepal or in any more developed society. The solution lies in the people and catalyst comes from education and asiprations that should not be bound and gagged in the name of change. Let the change come form within rather than from outide, under pressure and threats.

    What we have witnessed in Nepal is just the opposite,change instigated by powers-that- be (SPA+Maoist+India)under guise of politics for their wonton power and to rule without the “general consent.” It will be false to assume people have given mandate to SPA or to the maoist, it simply is not there. And the acts and agreements they (One Supreme and one with Militia) perceive and conduct runs contrary to basic democratic norms.

    If the gripe of one community is multiplied 100 times then nation cannot bear the burden,it will cease to function as a nation of diverse population under a rule of law. This trend is getting prevalent in Nepal by the action in the name of empowering certain community, deemed discriminated, are turned into militias who are seeking not only the right or quota but automonous region, language, religion and their own system of governance. Does change only mean correcting the percieved wrongs of the past with intent for retribution and compensation. This is the folly propogated by the Maoist which even if the come to power(God forbid) will burn them hard and fast.

  19. parewa Avatar
    parewa

    hahaha yahoo ji ur funny,democratic nepal ma interspecies affair garaune pahal jasto cha tapaiko.
    Mero Mrs.Parewa lai chai ke garau ni saathi.Mori le saarai maya garche hehe.

  20. yahoo Avatar
    yahoo

    parewa ji

    hehe….ghar ko parewa dal barabar!!! yeso bahira pani jutho launu paroni.

  21. parewa Avatar
    parewa

    ke garnu saathi aafulai gharkai ko maya lagcha.Yo bidesi chara ta saarai jhur,koi kaag jasta,koi sarung jasta,haans jasta chai thungna matra aaune.Aafulai chai officema pani aafnai parewa ko yaad le sataune.Ke garnu yestai rahecha maya jaalma.

    desipoems.com bata euta sayari ko tukrai hai ta,

    Pyar mein jadoo bhi kya maza hai
    Lagta hai ki ek khubsoorat saja hai.

    sayari,gazal ko nepali site thaha cha bhane share garau hai saathi.

  22. Bideshi Avatar
    Bideshi

    China has now started cosying up with the Maoists. They know the balance of power has tilted and they want to be buddies with the winning side. I now can only cry for Nepal.

  23. ram lal singh Avatar
    ram lal singh

    kam chhaina

    actually there is no caste division among the khas people. i don’t know why someone like to boast them self as khas bahun. if you look at Ramayana, Mahabharat, Manusmriti etc, these hindu text described Khas as plain Sudra. how some of them became bahuns is a mystery. if you believed on proverb that goes like ‘tak pare tiwari natra gotame’, and that the history tells us that Ranas distributed bahuns surname to some khas it is not difficult to guess how some of them became bahuns. that is why bahun–not brahmins–is appropriate word for them.

    it is wrong that most of property and land of kathmandu vallely. shaha, rana, thakuri own the most of the properties of the valley. they looted the most of the land from people of valley when gorkha king P N Shaha came here.

    it is wrong to assume that most of the business is owned by newar. in term of volume the business is controlled by marwaris and there is no doubt.

  24. yahoo Avatar
    yahoo

    parewa ji

    wa wa! suvan allah! adab abab!

  25. Culture Avatar
    Culture

    I guess all us chhetris are Khas, didnt know that before but well apparently i am. I will be honest i didnt spend much time in nepal because my father had to move around a lot, but im not sour about. My father is well to do that his father and likewise my grandfather better to do than his father was. Maybe it was because we are “khas”, and i guess i will do better also. I guess if i was tharu or damai i would be much more miserable but a manang, bhote, or kirati making the same argument sound a little opportunistic, i am not a huge fan of affirmitive action and the like but it is a neccessary evil but should be regulated properly. And please lets stick to capitalism first, even Engel and Marx were we pretty clear about what follows Feudalism. OR maybe im just a khas propagandist.

  26. yahoo Avatar
    yahoo

    Culture ji

    “I guess if i was tharu or damai i would be much more miserable but a manang, bhote, or kirati making the same argument sound a little opportunistic”

    Please elaborate and please shine some light on it.

  27. yahoo Avatar
    yahoo

    Culture ji

    Had to get back once again, please tell us, who fall within the bracket of {Bhote}?

  28. sony Avatar
    sony

    Curiously the great communist Mr. Neupane has given a link to his home page. Tempted, I clicked on it.
    Then, I see a photo of a guy, sort of person who looks like IA teacher in one of the politically charged colleges of TU.
    Sorry for a comment of a personal nature, but I would never take a class with you, as I know even before the class starts that I will fail if I follow you.

  29. tt Avatar
    tt

    Neupane is in the wrong place at the wrong time. He must be too used to giving lectures to either uneducated and innocent villagers whose silence he mistakes as consent or to students who are more interested in joining his political party than what he has to say. I think Neupane you are reaching a bit too high for your ability in this open forum.
    We are still awaiting any sort of reply on your ability to follow a morally deprived monster like Bam Dev Gautam. How can anyone take you seriously?

  30. fanta Avatar
    fanta

    Khas is just known as chhettri…the brahmin tried to involved in the khas just because khas were powerful yesterday…the population chettri is the highest among the other caste in Nepal…
    the time and thinking of the people have been changed, now all the castes like to have equal opportunities..if that will be disturbed the time will punish them…

  31. kam chhain Avatar
    kam chhain

    Ram Lal Singh Jee,

    Thanks for the comment. At least you read my comments, as everyone in this site just just talk rubbish only and blog becomes mockey station now. Everyone trying to show their ego here not the creativeness.

    I would like to clear few things to you.
    1. I know Khas group is not subclassed but this Mr. Neupane wrote 2 subgroups wrongly thus I made it clear to him that 4 caste system comes like this that I have given. In reality, Khas are not even Chhetri. Khas are Baisya (in far western language they called them Khassya, under this Khatri, Dhami, Kunwar, etc comes)and These present Rana’s also Kunwar thus those were Khas that time but after getting power Jung Bahadur changed that into Rana and become Chhetri now. Chhetri & Thakuri are not two caste. Thakuri comes under Chhetri.

    Regarding Kathmandu land & property. You are counting big business houses but in reality mostly it is owned by Newars. By the time is less as they have been selling cultivated land and building 6 story building so that they can feed themselves by rent as they so lazy to cultivate theirself.

    Regarding Business: Of course New Road business is controlled by Maade but if ignoring the amount of money, Newar’s are in business everywhere. Mostly heridetary wise. As Neupane was talking about Nepali people thus I made that comment for Nepalise only as Maade are not Nepali, they are imported thugs.

    Anyway thanks for the comment

  32. Shaman Avatar
    Shaman

    Mr. Kirat,

    I am quoting parts of your two earlier posts:

    “Mero Mobile, backed largely by foreign nationals and expat Nepalis, alone in the last three years must have invested more than USD 20.0 mio in Nepal. They have just announced that they will invest a further USD 15.0 mio in their infrastructure.

    ” BAE Systems are putting four of their most modern aircraft in Nepal on lease to a local company.”

    From your posts, I understand that you are advocating FDI, free-market economics. Could you please enlighten how these FDI will help largely agriculture-based economy and rural-dominated population?

  33. st Avatar
    st

    Shaman,

    Sorry to butt in, let me give you the most simple of two scenarios not even considering other benefits of FDI:

    Scenario 1:

    If there was no Mero Mobile and other FDI:

    1. No people employed as there is no companies to employ them,

    2. Therefore no taxes collected by the government from the new employees and of course the company, as there is no company.

    Scenario 2:

    1. Employment generated by the FDI.

    2. Taxes collected from these companies and employess by the government.

    Therefore, following from the two scenarios, if there is FDI then the govt. can collect taxes which then they can use toward the agricultural and rural sectors. Mero mobile could also be a saviour to our rural farmers, like Reliance in India, where it is far less expensive for farmers to own a mobile phone from Reliance than any other telecom company. If they were given the green light by the government and the monopolistic giant NTC, this is very much a possibility.

    Not to mention the competition in telecommunication or any other sector will naturally benefit all sectors of society as it will result in lower prices.

    I have shown you how FDI which is not at all related to the agro/rural sector can benefit this sector. But, now think of a scenario where there is FDI (or if you wish just plain old investment) in hydroprojects, transportation and even directly into the agro/rural sector. These would mean –

    1. Better infrastructure in the rural areas.

    2. Better technology in agriculture.

    3. Better mode of transportation to carry the agro based goods and also the decrease in cost of transport of goods due to better links and more economical transport like electric trains.

    Not to mention the benefits directly and indirectly to other sections of the economy.

    What is lacking is the political will.

  34. st Avatar
    st

    Some of the larger FDIs:

    1. Mero mobile

    2. Standard Chartered Bank (highest tax payer amongst banks)

    3. Himalayan Bank (third highest tax payer amongst banks)

    4. SBI Bank

    5. Nabil Bank (second highest tax payer amongst banks)

    6. Himalayan Hotel

    7. Bhote Koshi hydro project

    8. Himal Hydro project

    9. Several private schools (Lincoln, British, St. Xaviers, St. Marys and their affiliates)

    11. Dabur Nepal (second highest tax payer)

    12. Surya Tobacco (highest tax payer)

    13. Nepal Lever Company (third highest tax payer)

    14. The Hyatt Regency Hotel

    16. Coca-Cola

    17. Pepsico

    18. Carlesberg, Tuborg

    19. Wai Wai

    20. And I’m afraid to say the biggest FDI is in the Government of Nepal through various foreign grants and loans (also the least effective amongst all FDIs).

    The taxes paid by the above companies and other smaller FDI projects (EVCO – Electric Vehicle to mention one), contribute a lot (the most) to our economy due to the creation of meaningful employment and the contribution of majority of the taxes.
    Now tell me where do all our so called local industries and business houses stand in the list with regard to taxes and employment? It goes to prove that FDI projects are also the most transparent and the largest employers.

  35. fanta Avatar
    fanta

    st,

    you are right there is no political will to develop country still now…all they want is power and which they are gaining also….

  36. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Shaman, why should we restrict ourselves to agriculture when we talk about our economy? But even in agriculture FDI can help in a major way. Say a company like Lipton bought into our tea gardens-they could market their branded tea bags made in Nepal worldwide. FDI could be used in processing our fruits and vegetables to package fruit juices for sale here and abroad. We would not have to import them then. There are so many examples.

  37. Raj basnet Avatar
    Raj basnet

    Hi All,

    Here is an intresting story, I had very intresting time visiting lots of chatrooms specially yahoo and nepalnews. You know u will find lots of girls and boys there hanging cast back or front to ther name like , rajani_grg, grg suman, rai kali, kale gurung. Ok now when u will chat with any of them, or chat with any janajati’s and aadibaasi, even not hanging the cast in ther name, they will simply ask your cast, and when u will tell them ur cast, and if u r chettri or bramhin, they won’t chat with u, shit on the face of these janajatii and adibaaasi people. they are the one who had made the nepal worst, our dignity has been gone just because of them, u have seen that when the british government told them that they can live in uk with the permanent visa, how happy they are, they were organiging agitation co’z they didn’t get the perament residence service there, finally the english government has agreed to take the dirt from nepal. their childrens are responsible for making the society dirty, and they are talking about their own culture, just in a year going to tundikhel asn dancing the culture dance doesn’t show there true feelings, they are born to be the slave of english and indian man and they are happy doing that,

    now about the govermnet jobs and in the leadership, they should agree that they have got nothing in their mind except the “GOOBAAR” than we will give them certain post. otherwise fight with us and take the post, don’t cry for it.

    heheheheeh how’s that?

  38. TribalHead Avatar
    TribalHead

    Kirat,

    Simply because larger portion of our population is stuck in agriculture…thats why I am interested in FDI in agro sector. When majority is poor and un/under-employed, a country cannot called developed. If we ignore larger area employing larger population of a country, I cannot see how we can ‘develop’.

    And Kirat, I am not sure leasing of most modern aircraft by a Nepalese company is called FDI.

  39. raj Avatar
    raj

    Starting from anthropologist Govinda Neupane nobody explains who are Khas and how they can be differenciated from others. Also nobody explains what Madeshes are? Jati? Janjati? Language group? or what else? What is the position of a Gurung living in Maoist Limbuan or that of a Limbu living in Tharuan? Can a person own shares of any commercial organization if he is not working in that organiztion? Can a person living in rent capture the house from his absentee landlord?

    Can some body explain me?

  40. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    TribalHead, Like I said there is great opportunity for FDI in agriculture too. Read the latest Newsweek and see how Mukesh Ambani is planning to make India a major exporter of fresh farm produce. Nepal does not have a large amount of arable land but we could focus on cash crops that give high yield.

    leasing aircraft in Nepal is not the same literally as FDI but the fact that a large foreign company would put it’s valueable assets in Nepal is a vote of confidence for the country and it’s entrepreneurs.

  41. yahoo Avatar
    yahoo

    To Raj Basnet ji

    Man! You look mighty upsest and fuming with noxious rage at these janjati/adibassi.

    there can be many apparant/uncanny reasons for that, but i can come up with two, help me if i am wrong.

    1. you been running after their females in these caht rooms and your love has been unrequited, so you are sore about it.

    2. or you might have got mighty beating from one of these bhotes in highschool.

  42. Culture Avatar
    Culture

    Yahoo ji and all jiu haru,

    “I guess if i was tharu or damai i would be much more miserable but a manang, bhote, or kirati making the same argument sound a little opportunistic”
    Please elaborate and please shine some light on it.

    Had to get back once again, please tell us, who fall within the bracket of {Bhote}?”

    Now according to my experience in Nepal, which is not a lot compared to many of you, you cannot divide Nepal in a mojority or minority spectrum. It is very complex to divide chhetris up as a group, or a mongol looking people as bhotes, or all animalists as kirantis. There has to be a scheme in Nepal that targets groups of micro communities that are deprived and through years of poverty have lost the cultural edge to compete or succeed. I dont mean the culture as the puja garne tarika or khana pakaune tarika. What i mean by culture is if a group of people look up to their forefathers and cant see and inspiration it leads to a culture of complacency, these groups need to be helped through incentives and support by the the communal government via state financing and supervision. The idea is not distribute wealth or land but distribute the knowledge and opportunities so that however adverse the situation people try to find a way to succeed. A group that i consider needing a lot of educational support are the tharus of the western terai, because their morale when it comes to intellectual progress is blightfully low. But even chhetris, bauns, Lamas, magars, kirantis, etc in the western side of nepal seem to be less educated and more barbaric than the eastern side. I trace my ancestory from western nepal and can notice the pointless arrogance of being from western nepal as overtly brave and unflinching but it is all a mask for hippocracy and insecurity. These days i hear people chanting land distribution and creating special programs for certain castes, i am for the support of deprived people but not of a deprived caste or ethinicity. We should target individuals or families, not entire castes or ethnicities. that way you might create another equality to deal with.

  43. Culture Avatar
    Culture

    I would like to rephrase or properly phrase my last sentences. “I think” it would be much more wiser to support every person in need of education and support, based on the person situation. If we support an entire caste or ethinicity regardless of how wealthy and educated one family is compared to another in the same community we will enhance the opportunity of the entire community and elevate them above the other communities. Other communities might see a person or family of a better status get preferencial or more correctly special treatment due to his or their castes general status, even though they are much wealthier and educated. This will only lead to inequality to be tilted on the other side. If we are to be egalatarian we should target indivisual families and people the state or communal government support not their entire clan or caste or ethnicity. I fine example is the tax exemption for Manange’s which meant they would import vaste amounts of gold and valuable and sell it at a much greater profit than regular people. Although this helped them to financially elevate themselves from miserable conditions, it also meant they rose way above most other communities, creating envy and dissent. As a rehabilitating state we should be mindful and take atleast time to revise any actions we take, but i am worried when peopel like “kirat” who consider the waiting time to revise a “progressive” proposal as regressive and supporting the status quo. This means a plethora of laws and regulations will be randomnly passed without debate and resolution or revision, leading to a failed system when there are either too many checks and clauses making it static or too many loop holes making it redundant.

  44. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Culture, thanks for your two pence worth (or worthless)ideas on redressing the centuries of discriminations faced by the marginalised communities of Nepal. Your thinly disguised contempt for the janjatis is quite evident.

    But Yahoo’s question was which community are you calling ‘bhote’?

  45. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Culture, cut the bull-Yahoo’s question was which community are you calling ‘bhote’?

  46. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    Just read Raj basnet’s post. Well if Nepal does erupt in ethnic violence a la Kosovo, Serbia we all know why. Anyone who can’t condemn such a post can also be counted as guilty. (Funny how Nepal being one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in the world is being blamed on us janjatis!)

  47. santosh Avatar
    santosh

    Just a clarification:
    Leasing of aircraft is not an FDI. Its called selling.
    You show money and everyone else is willing to sell you. Its simple as that.
    You can buy nuclear power plants, satellites, F17s, U2 bombers and whatever else provided that you can afford it.

  48. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    santosh, don’t dissappoint me. I am sure you know the difference between ‘sell’ and ‘lease’? Same as rent? Renting a house and buying one is quite different.

  49. Bideshi Avatar
    Bideshi

    “why should we restrict ourselves to agriculture when we talk about our economy?”

    Nepal’s future prosperity will come from being the commercial land corridor between China and India. IF the Maoists don’t screw everything up…

  50. Kirat Avatar
    Kirat

    fellow insomniac Bideshi, we can be much more than just a commercial land corridor- though this could be the major thing.

    Well now you know why the RNA (via reform) should be made stronger to deal with the Maoists? I hate the Maoists too but would like to be more realistic in how to deal with them.

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