Ram Bahadur Bomjom, the Buddha Boy, Starts Preaching: Arrival of a Meditation Guru or a Religious Zealot?
The Buddha in New Avatar? Ram Bahadur Bomjom lectures a crowd. Pics by Upendra Lamichhane
By UWB based on report filed by Upendra Lamichhane
Finally, Ram Bahadur Bomjom, the Buddha Boy, has started preaching. The committee that looks after ‘the modern Buddha’, Namo Buddha Tapoban Committee, assembled a large crowd yesterday in Hallori Jungle in Bara district of southern Nepal that was addressed by a long haired boy clad in a maroon robe. The notice about the first ever preaching by the boy was broadcast in a local FM radio station and the committed also invited people by phone. Around three thousand people gathered to listen to Ram Bahadur Bomjom. Dying to know about his message? Okay, don’t fait but here it is: “The only way we can save this nation is through religion.” Being happy or sad depends on what you were expecting: a meditation guru or a religious zealot. Sounds like the second version is coming out but there is still plenty of time ahead to get to know the real Bomjom. But then even Buddha was thrashed by his contemporary society. So lets have our finger crossed for the time being.
Ram Bahadur Bomjom spoke with several pauses as if he was finding it very difficult to communicate in the language of human being. Just to kill another possible curiosity Ram Bahadur was using Nepali language while preaching via a big mike. He also requested the people not to be skeptical about him and disturb him. Ram Bahadur was first spotted meditating in Ratanpuri Jungle of Bara on Jestha 2, 2062 (almost 27 months ago) and he disappeared for about nine months saying that it was difficult for him to concentrate because of the disturbance created by the visiting crowd. He was discovered in Baghjhor Jungle, about eight kilometers west from where he had disappeared, with a sword on his side on Chaitra 10, 2063 (almost four months ago). The next day he entered into a bunker made up of cement sin Halkhori to mediate.
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but why the photographs of buddha boy is not so clear - cover with his long hair..or from back..?? what’s the mystrey..hidden..???
just an curiousity….
I would like to contact Upendra Lamichhane if at all possible. Upendra, if you read this please go to: http://groups.google.com/group/buddhaboy and let me know how to contact you.
Thanks,
_Mu
In every circumstances, Ram Bahadur’s viwes of resolving Nepal by virtue of religion deserve great applaud. Of course, Nepal has been lacking morality and religiousity in every leaps and bounds in spite of being a solely Hindu kingdom in the entire globe. Nepalese leaders now must be on-track made up of morality, religiousity and social responsibility by conforming to the views of great saints in Nepal. Let us put our fingers crossed for a better Nepal.
Pramod Acharya
A Non Residential Nepali
http://www.paldendorje.com here you can see his video but its take time to load .
Its very nice video but quality is not so good.
hi iam prem from hyderabad a.p.india
Does anyone have the entire transcript of the preaching in english?
Yeah, still waiting for the transcript.
hi guys,
could any one translated his first discourse in english?
the plot thickens….Niranjan, going to add a link to your blog on my website!
Video with English and French translation can be found at:
http://www.paldendorje.com/vdo.php
The kid is probably a nepali god stand in that ran from a paying job.
He’s playing the role and just play acting the part for the sake of the public and may because he knows no better. He looks filthy and diseased. If he is in recluse he’s getting pummeled by every germ, knit, tick and parasite and their brother.
He’s got no common sence. Maybe the he’s on dope. I wouldn’t take anything he has to offer seriously. If he’s trying to develope he’s going both backwards and forwards at the same time screwing himself up and pushing alone like a perpetual novice. This is why people have medical schools and medicines to handle this sort of things.
Buddha boy……Smack him upside the head and yell him to get away from that screwin dirt pit. He needs a biff’n.
Like that nagaraj looser……..So screwin germed. They must have been from the same gradeschool. He’s always asking for medicine.
Psshhhet (thorazine shuffle).
Smack him hard enough so he feels it in his other life so he cant remember how numb stupid he must have been.
[theres nothing that come from referencing any previous lifetime anyone might or might not have had. any previous lifetime is gone and done with.....Get real....make believe your alive...mimic a person........................................]
he is reliving the buddha and for villagers its a face for their hope and aspirations, we all should applaud such efforts and not make ignorant comments.
kickass reply
u have such hatred towards a kid u need to have your head examined.
om shanti om!
u marc delit ignorant moron…how can u even understand such matters….it is u who need to get ur head xamined….don’t make a fool of urself on matters u have no idea about…go to ur pub and get drunk and bash urself not others as u mention here….
You give info to stupid people, you get stupid replies.
Let me reiterate so you cant understand more.
The basic reason why anyone would sit in a meditative posture is to develop their nervous and other biologic systems in a stationary position devoting most of their time while to that purpose with most of their senses are turned off. the common term for this state of development consciousness is called samadhi where there are various classes/stages. I’ve experience this personally and know the route very well.
My comment was directed at the level of backward development this person (and thus, by his example you also) are misleading themselves unhealthily through by sheer lack of practicle understanding of how to provide yourselves the materials that result in what is required to develope in this way.
1) A clean environment is needed above all. Parasites will enter any and every bodily orifice and force you to suffer some very real trouble that leads you straight to death. This is a direct result of a natural environment’s hostile exposure this boy is forcing himself to endure. Undoubtedly this is what he is suffering from now despite everything else going on with him.
2) Washing, eating and drinking serve to maintain prolonged health that avoid whithering away while engaged in a samadhi posture. key note: the body is frail and must be maintained whether your a monk or construction worker both. Does this boy seem like he’s been washing, eating and drinking healthily on a moderate regular basis?
3) Just because someone wears a rode does not mean you should venerate them and just because someone enters somone blogs on the internet in a way that does not coddle your frail feelings does not mean that should not be heeded. Trust no facade. They mislead you. Key note: Does he seem healthy? You would also be just as unhealthy if you followed his lead. He’s only 18 and began knowing nothing. He still knows nothing. Dont follow error experienced people. HE shouldnt take his own advice.
4) Dont go to extreams. To unwantingly resort to mentioning someone else’s advice, To site a snippet story, the buddha sidhartha once endured this type of self mortification for a while until either he was urged or volunteered to change his approach. He was not obtaining the progress he wished of himself for an unmentioned reason (see # for it) . He stopped what he was doing, washed, eat got his strength back rested and puased for a while from meditation before picking it back up in a more cleanly healthful way. at this point he was able to reach more stable goals he set for himself.
See #1 and repeat while stopping to strech or move about somewhat on and off.
[He broke his normal developemnt routine one day about a year ago (on my birthday) to mention he was just a rinpoche. This was wise and I very much did take the gift personally very strongly. I am very much concerned to this person's health and well being. That was his birthday gift for me and I was ecstatic to learn about it. If it were upon to me I'd rip his out of that pit so fast everyone's head would spin a blur. He's no rinpoche but its a good goal for him to reach for. I take both his and nagarj's developments very seriously. I foreknow there impending losses and unhealthy situations bother me angrily.]
For not knowing this simple common sense and additionally not asserting it upon either this kid nor nagarj, I blame each of you.
Not being able to gather this from my entries was the root of your problem that follows you around like a faulty trainer.
Becomming a buddha via self mortification is not possible
The story of babaji’s teachers does not spell out that they died while suffering parasite exposure in their ears, nose, mouth, eyes, pores etc while they were dormant not being aware they needed to get away and clean. Samadhi has its downsides people need spelled out for them letter by letter.
The tibetan buddhists stress protecting your various orifice for this specific final basic reason (despite the fact that popular motivation leads them to stress prevention sexually transmitted diseases in the same context. protecting your various orifice from EVERYTHING is the most important goal one must maintain constantly while engaged in some serious samadhi).
By not maintaining cleanliness that prevents of deals with parasite exposure, you screw yourself because parasites dont care if your a buddha on earth for one time visit to say the human race.
They eat indiscriminately.
Maybe I should withhold a few very important lifesaving tips from you to make sure you suffer by them in the same way you’d prevent this boy and anyone else like him from surviving his own vice.
Maybe you should live in a pit. Keep preying. You’re getting no where, but the good thing about it is your going there very fast.
The boy is not aware his is hurting himself and must learn. The only way hew will know to leave is be asserting his departure and forcing him to clean up but making his reach the resources he needs to get it done (without his permission if needs be).
He is his own pit-fall, no pun intended.
I have no such idea about these matters……….yup..
Those dam spelling mistakes are always biting me in the -ss. like some dang sharpe running amok on the loose.
The privilege to self develop lasts only as long as the body does. Gathering the necessary resources to obtain the privacy and time needed to pursue this type of personal development is quite impossible where capitalist systems severely inhibit not only one or two person’s but everyone’s direction. Capitalism is rather literally a behavioral maze designed to be a socio-political set of limits and distractions by the ‘haves’ intended to preoccupy the ‘have-nots’.
They believe that by limiting freedom of both movement and occupation every way ’til sunday [ from birth til death of everyone ] using a systemic barrage of monetary fees supported via punishment or socio-political derived interpersonal recycle replacement if nonpayment by any have-not outsider keeps their treasure they gather close by….
it does. yet being that most pervasive form of social control on earth keeping the wild masses under a constant thumb makes for a volatile system to remain dormant and develop peacefully within.
Personal development within a capitalist system literally has the same identical danger as diving to swim in a pool populated by piranha. Capitalists have a carnivorous consuming mentality like no other social group. their single goal is to consume and replace product for re consumption. Every other side endeavor brakes not far from this mainstay and remains quite complimentary.
Needless to mention, self development in any capitalist system is closely related to socio-political suicide through an unwitting victimization. the root cause is related to programming. capitalist consumers are programmed to replace any civil counterpart who is not par of the capitalist social machine.
In short, if they dont move the money around smoothly the people will move them out of the picture. This leads to the first few posts I made far above. This person, this boy is being neglected and socially decimated picked apart by the population whom he is naive of being young and just plain knowledge less, for that fact. He does not know you are monsters in the same way that all of you and I mutually know you all are. This is the main foundation reason why I have so many social adversaries.. On a gut level you know that I am fully aware that you are always hiding the monster you are under your everyday nice/nice play act. We both know your human piranha where you think I’m something consumable. Anyone who’s already tried to take a social bite already knows it’s not going to be that easy to take that chunk you want and not going to be as tastey as you’d thought.
This kid doesnt know what he’s in store for. If babaji were real maybe he knows something about this. I tend to think there’s been a few impersonators in history claiming falsely to be this person. I think he might have died under unnatural circumstances while trying to secure safe haven.
Must of these people die by unnatural causes by people who want a piece of them. You can call all of this here a type of Modus Vivendi driving an entire socio-political world class or people.
For the most part people are way too primitive a design for them to guide themselves by themselves. You as a race werent born with certain abilities turned on. Your genes are mostly inhibited, latent propensities that should be sparkable within most people are not really there anymore, being removed by genetic born/chemical borne diseases. The variety of diseases permutate various genetic sequence to arrive at the variety of life (by force of interference rather than natural selection or evolution).
I’ll put it to you this way, diseases interfere with you, you interfere with everything else by force of the disease distraction. Wittingly or unwittingly you interfere while ever dangerously preoccupied consuming replacement product.
Everything you look at or feel you believe to be, or behave as though (without believing) it’s, a replacement product.
By your own method of reply you’ve let me in on your behavior that this boy is a target. I learned this this way…..
I wanted him to discontinue his cooperation with the people. you stepped in to defend his cooperation. This person seems quite unwell and neglected unhealthy at a great disadvantage against the population whom assert themselves upon his own intended health and privacy. YOU intended to retain his weakened disposition in favor keeping his supply of whatever it is your targeting. You lashed at me for trying to remove this supply. This supply must be important to you in a very big way despite this person’s inability to sustain your need.
I gather by this that you lashed at me because you crave something this person has. He has nothing but himself therefore your craving must be something about him. Strange as this may logically seem there is some logic to this. Any person having a disoriented gene pool tends toward disoriented lower life functions. Hunger, thirst, sexual functions, fight, flight, and sleep functions all skew at this level.
I, knowing this, attribute a skewed sets of behavior functions upon a limited set of social dispositions that skewed personalties must use to communicate (being biologically disoriented).
Simply speaking, you cant communicate that your hungry for something you see (while looking at him) because your socio-political limits wont let you get away with it.
You knew I knew this on a gut level about you. You lashed out at me in a very subdued primitive way -not- subconscious.I answered you in decisive way I believed removed as much of your pretense as possible.
Basically, you show human-leech tendencies upon this kid because he’s easy prey for you just sitting there not shaking you off.
You were built that way. Dont be proud of it. This type of hardwired disposition isnt something to proudly defend. Its a failure and a firm genetic weakness built within a nervously frail whole race of people, not just you where its not a natural condition……to err is NOT human where the casual excuse that humans are built to make mistakse is actually more appropriately interprteted as….
Humans are writtled with aggressive urges to ruin what they and others do while they cover up this intention by faining innocence and get away with resembling acceptable error. A well developed human knows a mistake before it happens or may be overcome by other outside interferences the force what looks like an unwilling error they foreknow they are unwilling to make.
You do not fall under this latter category. your place is somewhere between leech and capitalist. This is your persona and you will be angry with me because you know full well it’s right on the money and must hide others from knowing this about you. This is why you will be angry. If it’s untrue about you the feeling will pass directly away. It will not pass for you despite your attempt to bottle it up and hide it away. Sooner or later you will break and the feeling of rage will release. At some point when or if you find me I will be your new target. This is your M.V.
You cant resist it because you are it. The M.V. -IS- you.
Your grafted to it.
Let it be know my thing is ‘water’. His thing is only his own and
belongs to no one else.
Both people and the earth are about 60% water where the balance
is 37% mineral and 2% energy. Knowing this is my advantage and
your disadvantage. Consider this an ongoing watchful warning.
The earth is releasing water and storms and snow are erratic, tsunami are frequent earth spin is slowing, earth frq has changed, ozone is depleting, people are over populating (using up breathable water in the air and polluting drinkable water. All these elements directly relate to how the earth regulates hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen. If you know how to use the earth you can get things done you couldnt do on your own. Strange thing about the earth, it plays favorites in a mechanical sort of way. If the sum of your parts fit the scheme then your in. If not you’ll never get your foot in the door easily.
Try forcing your way in and the flood gates will open hard wash you away inducing a major psychological break down you werent born with the ability to live through. This is why certain monks warn vigorously about attempting certain personal experiments.
The popular term for this is called “the razor’s edge”. This term is way off in left field not appropriate (yet wrongfully popular). The ‘razor’s edge’ is the edge a skilled barber uses to trim a very naive little boy’s hair off before he’s permitted to enter monkhood. The little boy is terrible innocent and the experienced barber only has a razor to trim his hair. If the barber cuts the skin the boy becomes writtled with infection or fear and his whole life from then on remains a shambles. He never ventures past that variety of trauma if the barber is a ogre or careless moron.
This does not apply to the popular interpretation of treading a fine line in a volatile balancing act.
Connecting with the earth is a mechanical process were you are born appropriate or inappropriate for such a connection. The sum total of a persons parts are tallied in a way too complicated for this forum for me to describe. Take into account geo-dynamics, human biology, cosmology, radiation, gravity, electro chemistry and psychosocial inter compatibility add it all up and wallah! if you fit transposed upon that pattern overlay, your in. If not, and you force your way in not limitations will maintain the process smoothly for you. Your buddle-brain will burst under the HUGE load of whatever to stumble upon.
Think carefully. Its REAL simple:
Earth—-big.
You—small.
Dump earth in you any which way —- You pop away gone quicker than spit.
Maybe you should be one with the earth on your own without his help..
This kid is just wanting to be by himself or just maybe simply healthy.
Leave the boy alone or assist his health directly. Dont leech.
He really doesnt want you there.
Honestly, you wont go away so he has to tolerate you unwillingly.
If I were him and I’m not, I’d run as fast away from you loonies as I could and send a tsunami behind me to wash you away quick.
Oh, well no tsunamis. Maybe you’ll make yourself one with your brain and slam into the idea of being one with the universe and head straight for the earth as a crutch to grab onto. Maybe by doing that it’ll and up flooding you away. If you do it and live you’ll have some psychological self control respectable for people you see whom may deserves it.
Please go for it. I really want you to. Here’s how you do it for real:
Lay on the ground outside on a high hill clear to the sky without obstructions. lay flat on your back. Think toward the center of the earth with your imagination exerting toward the back of your head. Maintain that while keeping your eyes open looking into outer space.
Do this at early morning even between dust and dawn. make sure there are no objects nor obstructions in your peripheral vision. I want you looking up into the sky without any object to reorient you visually back to earth. Stay that way. It’ll take about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes to take effect. About as long as it takes your circulation to make about 40-50 revolutions. Lay with your palms up with arms at lateral so your circulation will flow more easily. Palms down. arms down cuts off circulation. Tilt head slightly down VERY slightly look straight not at the tip of your nose or any stupid thing. Focus into deep space. Dont pick a star. Pick any empty space between them.
I did it. Now you do it by yourself on your own.
Maybe it’ll wake you up.
(”Isnt that special”,The Church Lady)
Correction:
‘Maybe by doing that it’ll and up flooding you away.’ = ‘Maybe by doing that it’ll up and flood you away.’ = The experience will hit you very hard.
‘between dust and dawn’ = ‘between dusk and dawn” = about 2:30-3:00 am.
If done right and if your not fit for the experience what you perceive should exactly equal a psychotic episode that takes control of you. What you will experience is the active state of your own particular
mind in action without filters shrouding away who you really are. You will get to know your ordinary self in the flesh.
You wont be able to handle you.
When I glance at each of you that is what I usually see.
I see a political social class of very real aggressive sociopaths egging on for every modicum of frivolous/erroneous excuse that serves them to use that excuse to break into group or individual outburst/episodes.
I REVERT LAST POST BEFORE I WENT TO TOWN ON ALL OF YOU (March 15th, 2008 at 5:46 am):
“make believe your alive…mimic a person………………………………….”
THE VILLAGERS ARE DWELLING ON HIM AIMLESSLY LIKE THEIR WATCHING ENTERTAINMENT. IF YOU INTERRUPT THEM THEY’LL BECOME MORE AND MORE WILDLY AGGRESSIVELY LIKE MASQUITOS’ TASTE OF BLOOD BEING SWATTED AWAY FROM AN ARM TO FEED ON.
THEY AD YOU ARE ANNOYING THE BOY WITHOUT EVERY CONSIDERATION FOR HIM OR THE ONES AROUND YOU OR THEM. AT SOME POINT YOU WILL NEED TO BE MANUALLY MOVED AWAY.
Sir,
You seem to have strong negative feelings about this story. Your posts are sometimes meaningless and contradictory, so, I don’t know how to understand them.
From Europe, I can’t have a perfect idea of what is oing on there in the jungle.
I saw the two videos on his website and the boy doesn’t seem sick. But I wonder why we haven’t receive anymore news since oct 2007. Did you go there ? Did you see him ? Is this story a common fraud in Nepal ? Is this boy mistreated ? I’ll be glad to have your clear opinion on this.
Sincerely.
Simple commonsence logical observation that does not ignore every social detail would hel,p you arrive at the same observation.
My details are not contradictory nor meaningless if you understand the details on a personnal level.
I expect some detail would be meaninglss to any person who does not have proper experiance.
As for my feelings about the issue, I am very well experienced and have intimate personnal knowledge of how mass populations treat or mistreat icons.
if he is examined you will see the boy is sick and ignored away.
If you imagine that your reading a college psychology textbook you’ll gradually become accustome to the grammer and terms I’m expressing.
Imagine your a psychologist being addressed by his mentor.
To address the common fraud question, there are young persons in that area whom are paid by the monarchy a stipend to act as gods and godesses there entire lives. This god/goddess is a game of political game playing mythos/superstition against the will of ignorant people.
If you can get a large group of people to entertain the idea that gods and goddesses are sympathetic to a monarchy then it is believed that the population would inverably cooperate with both.
The gods are not gods and the goddesses are not goddesses but merely children who grow up to be older play actors and play actresses.
You can imagine how and where the games play onward from this perspective. You can, cant you?
I expect that you can.
If you ignore the popular status and rhetoric and examine the physical conditions of the players and the playing feild you will notice elements of disease
and seemingly unhealthy ‘looking’ people. The people including this child ARE in fact suffering from much of the shared social and enviornment diseases they have no defence against.
This is simple common logic.
Does this kid’s recorded history in isolation suggest he wants the situation he’s been confined within.
Think of the number of people how flock around him at any given one time. do you think he expected to suffer this much loss of privacy? I’ll bet people are praying to him expecting him to provide them with good luck situations on a whimb like a goffer or a slave. If they dont get what they want would you think they’d become angry with him for not coughing whatever it was up for them he could not possible provide?
After a while I bet they’d begin to shun or assault him.
This is the goal each of them are looking for as they listen and wait. Each of the spectators are waiting for him to cough up there request. This is their goal. None of them are really beating away the others so he can regain his personnal privacy. None of them are telling to others to get lossed and mind there one business and I know none of them are making sure the people know his just a kid like any other who knows nothing special.
Take into account the instance where he was found in the bush with a weapon. I’d think he’d experienced something he’d really not want to remember.
A person wouldnt carry a weapon unless they needed one. Maybe he needed it for coconut or bananna picking??? Perhaps it was a multipurpose tool.
in any event I think living in a ditch wasnt the life he wants for himself … If you could choose between a ditch or some other more comfortable means of shelter/safety would you choose the greater comfort?
If his definition of greater comfort is independance than he’d run for the hills. If he thought greater comfort was cleanliness and a pillow he’d leave his situation.
I think he doesnt know what he’s missing cuz he aint got a clue, dude…..
[read past the spelling errors]
He’s a child, you numbnuts!
There’s nothing in his mind for him to draw upon except emotion and only a little random fact. With all of you around him to guide his education I doubt there will ever be anything he has to gain and improve and graduate from this position. With the lot of you around to annoy him he’ll never improve to the lofty 3rd grade education level you venerate as rimpoche.
Not knowing this make the lot of you people to jail not entertain. It would be better to round all of you up in a paddy wagon then to entertain that level of raw uncorrectable stupidity.
When he grows old and dies what all these people are going to do to his remains is this:
Some pieces will go to several monastaries some people will grab a few parts here and there andnball of them will set set up these parts at points of greatest public access and exposure. they will begin systematically talking and annoying these parts as iff they are continually demanding this boy to do whatever it is they want him to obtain.
If you do not ingore all the details and stack logistic against logistic maturely you will see the reality of
the situation.
This is the reality of the situation as you all see it if you add the details in you’ve omitted.
Meditation is a personnal experiance only intended for the meditator. Not showing that you know that ALSO make you similarly criminal.
If any person experienced samadhi its there one enjoyment and YOU have nothing to do with it and should not pry.
-=> .
Prying shows your not suited for meditation. maybe you would be better suited as a laborer or something.
I will expalin samadhi clearly for those who have no referance…..
First the method for attaining a samadhi state of mind:
Here’s the short SHORT SHORT SHORT SHORT explination for the SHORT SHORT (that takes as long to develope as the exersiser is capable of strengthening their nervious system well enough to handle such experiences. This can take as long as the individual needs depending upon his or her 1) biophysical condition AND 2) whether or not latent genetic propensity is active or inactive for this basic function:
1) Take your mind away from day to day affairs. you may use a radio and ear phones or any means to accomplish this. The goal is the use your cognative abilities LESS and LESS. Center your attention tward the back of your eyes unitl you feel like your seeing the world from another persons perspective and can maintain this. Dont be scared. You are still you. Just using different variety of synapse.
Continue this process trying different methods to maintain this. Sometimes getting mad or becomming outragious is something you must do to break past some solid developement threshold or another. Maintain your semi alert status so not to get into trouble and ruin things for yourself.
Do not use drugs they ruin the developement experiance. I never did.
2) Use your voice (your mouth may be closed yet the harder the vibration the stronger the experience) settle your attention there at the place of greatest vibration.
finnished. practice…..class is over.
One last thing:
You MUST remain relaxed as long before you assert your intention toward reclusion.
I used rolling hands and only about 3 postures from tai chi wearing loose long heavy clothes that promote circulation. Other people will certainly show an adversarial posture because they are/were born aggressive and unstable. You may be one of those people.
Self restain if it doesnt come natural will be a VERY large stumbling block because a person has a very developed mind if they are able to proficiantly restrain/retain themselves from xyz.
self restraint is only a symptom of a durable developed nervious system not a goal to reach nor exersise to practice. just start concentrating toward the back behind your eyes while diverting most of your attention away from daily affairs.
you can maintain a normal daily work regeme.
as far as most of planet earth is concerned this is all they need initially and the last best most advanced technique biology can provide them for developement.
everything else compliments this.
posture, breathing, sound/word variation, mudra, diet, magic, deity worship (that’s really a sort of role model mentoring from a nonexistant guide(s)), fasting, eating, drunkenness, drug taking and everything else
are all just ways to either change the result of the process or help it along cuz the situation needs modifying.
if you cant get good air what do you do?
you try to get some any way you can by either moving to a better location or….change your breathing habits to take in more oxgyen and release more waiste gasses. This is the motivating source for the formation of breathing excersises. They have no real purpose other than this.
A proper breathing method must fill both lungs upper and lower parts fully and must filter away harmful things like dust and air borne debris.
Your mouth MUST be closed cuz its a huge space for junk to get in .. if you keep your teeth together and tonuge at the roof of your mouth you set up things for air to work past but this isnt the greatest method…
If I had my way I’d live like a dracula vampire in a sealled chamber (not on dirt numbnuts!) hermetically sealed in solid granite in a hydrocarbon suspension liquid — like a fish.
but I’m a person like you (only better), numbnuts
Like, Chun, this karean dude (Yo! How you spell kareian) from this “Remo Williams” movie.
…..
If you see the movie I tried floating…It doesnt work…
I had to jump doing what the movie said and fell on my but. Remo…….that’s you all.
really breathe wide, divert attention, use voice… sit. close eyes..
BAM!!!!
At some point after your senses follow the sound the experience will wear away cuz you’ll need to restore your attention to the enviornment to see if the coast is clear and things are still safe for you.
This is VERY normal and if you DONT do this your vertually asking for trouble. every once in a while you’ll snap out of it deliberately cuz your figuring out if you can get away with risking your xss in the enviornment your in…
your just there on the ground. cant see, hear, touch, smell, taste imagine anything…..its like the heart sutra and you ae the same thing all of a sudden your dead and dont know why…
the heart sutra takes on a whole new meaning……the reason for theat sutra is to explain the problem of protecting your butt WHILE switched off….
One minute your sessation of eye/ear sence then the next your no eye/ear sence at all. and you have to get reborn…then its ‘no sessation of eye ear sence’ cuz you gotta repeat that crxp all over again and work up to the point you left off at just to get back and on ward to stupid step 2.
The heart sutra is a BAD sutra that remins US of the problems we have to deal with cuz your all there to annoy an ruin what we’re tryin ta do, Xsswipe.
Marc, i think you are posting so many comments to cover up your sins. that won’t happen. you reap what you sow dude
Dont respond if you have no rational responce.
Your presumption is ludicrous and ludicrous people cant get facts right.
You dont know how to comprehend english yet you might be able to read it.
Learn what the words mean or translate properly and do not reply once understood because your reply wil be both kindergarden and fruitless.
Your reply was irrelivant and kindergarden.
Dont just learn to repeat english words but learn
to comprehend the words also. Your reply was so far off the subject matter that it clearly suggest you had nothing to contribute whatsoever.
You 2 cents worth of a reply was your way of tossing a brick at a speaker to once more participate in shutting them up so you can continue right along with leaching
just like the rest of your group.
All just the same:
I revert back to my previous comments. They do apply to you and invariable most of the other responders globally also.
This means the good info was blatant plain as day and was disreguarded in favor of waist.
Marc, Spanish is my first language so I apologize for any mistake.
No attachment, No judgment…
Although your knowledge is vast in the matter of the Samadhi state of consciousness, (in your mind, in form) you forget to mention/apply the basic principles to align with the universe.
You don’t have to ridicule or try to seem a better or more intelligent being than other people that just like you and I try to give and share an opinion, just flow.
There’s no way that you can know how it is like being connected with the wholeness, because you can’t know the formless you feel it.
Just try to remember how it feels when you are connected with the “real you” or the “Samadhi” state, whatever is the method that you are using, that anything else matters just you, align with the whole in that precise present moment.
Nobody is better or worse than anyone, the only difference is that some of us are awake, some of us are awakening, and some of us are still sleeping, just flow, just BE.
Namasté.
I would ask Marc to keep putting is wisdom drops but to make them sorter… (!) they are too long and sometimes get confusing. I agree with you on ONE thing, the notion and probability that the Illuminated Child might end up being killed by his peers in a fanatic rampage. I pray that this does not happen. On other matters;
Regarding his efforts I must say I applaud them and they worry me; if a child like this one feels that something has to be done or else we are all going to be screwed, it worries me. He should be thinking about other things and not certain doom. It brings to my soul the words of Jesus registered in the Bible when He speaks of days when the dried wombs and those who never bore children would be thought as blessed.
Finally, I cannot start to assume I moderately understand the concepts and the things beneath all his actions and meditations, but I admire him just the same and I do wish I had the means and the opportunity to do the same thing.
I must recognize that, as many westerners I practice what I understand that is meditation, and I hope that my effort -even so clumsy and inadequate- can be added to his efforts and, maybe, the next batch of children will still have a life to call their own.
nepal should be buddhist country…hinduism should be cast away…this will be a boon to nepal …and also take it far away from the indian influences….so some buddhist preacher like bomjom is required
Dear Marc,
You seem to know too much about the techniques, scientific and psychological aspects of Samadhi.
But do you know that Meditation and Samadhi is not related with Knowledge? I guess you know this basic fact. We could not achieve Samadhi through knowledge, because the state of Meditation, Samadhi, and Nirvana is just opposite of Knowledge. Samadhi is the unknown, and to reach it we must unlearn all the Sanskara (conditionings, including technical knowledge). Otherwise the Samadhi you have been mentioning is just an Idea and not the reality.
I have met many people like you Marc, in Nepal, who try to understand Samadhi and meditation through analysis. In this field analysis is paralysis, it leads nowhere, and is just a verbal/ logical game that your ‘Self’ likes to play.
I have noticed in Marc that he has a very good notion of ‘Self’ and he is confused. I can understand his confusion, which is very natural. His mind is in the stage of ‘anarchy’, and his ‘Self’ is very strong, but about to break. If he cannot break his ’self’ and remain quiet and understand that Samadhi is not a complicated textbook, then he can surpass his present stage toward something higher. If not, he either will be antagoist to the spiriritual world, or will have some serious ‘physchologica problems’.
I feel it is my duty to remind Marc that you should now stop thinking too much and try to prove your point, it makes no sense in proving points if you are on the journey towards Samadhi.
Prerequisites to Meditation are: intropspection, being aware of your thoughts, being aware that ‘Self’ is just a thought, and how this ‘Self-thought) is having attachments, see the root cause of ‘Self’, then blasting this thought off, then there is no ‘Self’, Then there is joy, peace, happiness. The awareness is still there. And you prepare yourself for the ‘incident’ - the ’strickening of bolt’ - then you are transformed/ mutated permanently.
That is Samadhi in simple terms - Simple it should be because If it has to be simple.
We are far from Samadhi because, our conditioning/ education, and our egoistic mind wants to make it complicated. Because our mind=self, wants to preserve itself, and devises tricks to retain itself.
Once we know this, Samadhi is not that difficult.
Oh, Mr. Bomjon, is simple and has simple approach to Samadhi/ Nirvana. It is apparent that he could not explain the unexplainable (it is so normal). Better he do not try to explain it. We only know if the Samadhi happened on him, by his future actions, and how we feel/ sense it when we are near him.
If the phenomenon happened to him, or is being happening, it will affect the whole world. Even if he dies young (with parasite or whatever), he had already done his job. In fact, he has very little chance of dying unnatural death, because there are so many people already, who are dying to look after him. And Nepal’s health facility is not that poor that Mr. Marc imagines.
- Samadhi is Death. In death there is creation.
Correction to above:
I have noticed in Marc that he has a very good notion of ‘Self’ and he is confused………
If he can break his ’self’ and remain quiet and understand that Samadhi is not a complicated textbook, then he can surpass his present stage towards something higher….
“Oh, Mr. Bomjon, …….It is apparent that he could not explain the unexplainable (it is so normal). Better he do not try to explain it. We only know if the Samadhi happened on him, by his future actions, ——– and how we feel/ sense it when we are near him. ——–
If the phenomenon happened to him, or is being happening, it will affect the whole world. ——— Even if he dies young (with parasite or whatever), he had already done his job. ——— In fact, he has very little chance of dying unnatural death, ———- because there are so many people already, who are dying to look after him. ———— And Nepal’s health facility is not that poor that Mr. Marc imagines.
——— - Samadhi is Death. In death there is creation.———-”
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Answer reread my posts. You didnt seem to comprehend anything posted. All the detail you tried to use to publically oppose your delusion of my position was refuted you before you posted anything.
In fact all you did was support the previous array.
There is no “’self’ about to break”. Thats a similar term like “good works” or shouting “jahova jira” to get some necormatic luck in your stupid person’s direction.
The terms you use lead to a necromatic result fed by this boy’s victimisation. By hte terms you use you show your a participant.
Your responce is a waisted effort to try avoid being swat at. You participate with this kid’s expoitation and try to seem like a authority figure. You attempt to shut me up and look humiliated.
You offered - avoidance rhetoric.
I revert to my previous posts:
“Make believe your alive (because your not)……Mimic a person(because (your cant exist as a society any other way).”
You fain innocence as a pseudo-authority.
“Prerequisites to Meditation are: intropspection, being aware of your thoughts, being aware that ‘Self’ is just a thought, and how this ‘Self-thought) is having attachments, see the root cause of ‘Self’, then blasting this thought off, then there is no ‘Self’, Then there is joy, peace, happiness. The awareness is still there. And you prepare yourself for the ‘incident’ - the ’strickening of bolt’ - then you are transformed/ mutated permanently.
That is Samadhi in simple terms - Simple it should be because If it has to be simple.
We are far from Samadhi because, our conditioning/ education, and our egoistic mind wants to make it complicated. Because our mind=self, wants to preserve itself, and devises tricks to retain itself.
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You repeated that from someone else and it is not your own information. This did not come from you because you cant communicate something that CAN be communicated. You repeat over and over terms relating to “unknowable” subject matter.
anything unknowable (thats not even a litterate person’s word) is just that. The numan capacity cannot experiance whatever subject is speculated upon where the communicators MUST speculate.
You speculate randomly misapplied junk (you dont even accept yourself) with terms that support your own participation of this kid’s exploitation being part of a larger group who you also know like to use these commonly regurgitated terms. You think that if other people sat in silence when you’ve used these terms I will also.
I tell you your a genuine imbicil, for real. A text book imbicil. repeating the same shxt over and over regardless of its rediculous nonresult.
reality of the situation:
People are stumbling over themselves to get a peice of whomever they get that gives them an edge against others around them.
Delusion: You dont need another persons favor to gain an edge. Meditation is useless unless your
born with functions for this in place now. developing them is rearly impossible. Dont try. Be practicle or productive in any other way by doing something
else with your time. Self developement meditation is only a personnal experience and has nothing to do with any other person.
Frankly so what you admire or can or cant meditate.
Most people just waiste all there time and zone out anyway.
All the talk in the world is a waiste of time unles your actually doing it full throttle. If anyone is doing it full throttle thier not going to want to be around you when they are. You monsters tend to completely horrify them in a real way. You dont know your horrifying subhuman mutants cuz yoiu were born that way.
Envy or prostrating with humility is bulshxt.
be practicle (which will be next to impossible for you).
This is the beginning of futility. dealing with the subhuman population is futile.
When chanters say futile this and futile that they are talikng about their imbicil undevelopable self and dont know it (for real).
Dear Marc,
Your brain seem to be always chattering, and your statements are incohorent.
Can you do me a favour, by saying what you ‘really’ want to say in 3 sentences.
If you cannot say it in 3 sentences what is your observation, or your ‘practical’ way, I assume you are full of shxt! I am sorry I don’t have I have any other choice!
Dear Marc,
‘Unknown’ is ‘what lies beyond the Universal set. It is the vaccum in which ether exist and all other matters, energy, spirits, consciousness exist. It is the ‘container’ of all the contents’. Ask a quantum scientist and he/she will tell you what is ‘unknown’.
The above description is not mine, but of the one who has realized the ‘unknown’.
Of course I have not realized the ‘Unknown’ yet but it is logical, and our intuition says, that if there is ‘known’, then there should be ‘unknown’. If there ‘matter’ there should be space. If there is ‘manifestation’, there should be ‘origin’ / void/ shunyata, Brahman. This void is the basis of all origination of energy. This is the ground of all the beings and existence. I hope you understand it.
There are many ways to reach the realization of the void: the ways differ but the goal is the same. The way I use might be different than yours. My goal is to realize the void. And I will tell you I have found the initial essence of the void in my practices. So the things I wrote in previous posts and this comes from my own understanding, of my ‘true self’ and the nature of ‘existence’.
It is science of the future, the present science has many prejudices and limited methodology to grasp the essence of what I am saying and others who have realized ‘it’. I am hopeful and positive that the future science will deal into these matters because they have to and I think they should. Many advancements in parapsychology, ESP etc. are the proof of this. It is only matter of time before these ‘phenomena’ will be accepted by Scientific community. It is not ‘Science’ vs ‘religion’. Science has been shifting paradigms, and will shift to accommodate the knowledge about what I am talking about.
Meditation is better named as ‘Dyana’. ‘Dhyan’ is ‘Awareness’. Awareness of everything: ’self’, ‘nature’, ‘body’, ‘mind’, ‘thought’. In this awareness, there is no ‘Dhyani’ = Meditator. In other words, there is no center (self) who becomes aware. There is only awareness. And in this stage of Meditation/ Dhyana, realization happens. I am telling you this because I want to share this simple truth of nature, which I have been realizing for 20 years. THIS IS NOT A HYPOTHESIS AND TEXT BOOK KNOLEDGE.
Meditation is not a waste of time. In fact one might be working in one’s profession, fully devoted to it, and plying roles as the society requires of him/her, but at the same time he/she is always in meditation, while working, making love with the spouse, playing with children, watching nature, playing sports, or just walking. As I told you since meditation is about awareness, the quality of life, career, profession, family, improves with it., because of the simple truth/ logic that Awareness improves ones decisions, helps unnecessary reactions to the stimulus from the environment and from ones own thoughts etc. Most importantly Awareness brings happiness. And happiness is the root cause of happiness. It sounds paradoxical but it is true, just try it. Awareness realizes true sense of ‘love’. Because ‘love’ is absence of ‘Self’, the stage where ‘the lover’ and ‘the loved’ is the same. That is the other person is you. For a Buddhist this practice is just a second nature. And other sects also practices it.
If you don’t comprehend it or has no practice for the above, I suggest you to start discussing on other topics, and leave this topic which you don’t have any inclination or aptitude.
I have a psychiatrist doctor friend from Europe who had been failing to treat a ‘bipolar Disorder’ / schizophrenia’ patient for a long time. She was successful only when she applied the Awareness, to treat herself, then to treat her patient. After two months, the patient was treated. It is not that she treated the patient, but the treatment occurred/ the patient opened up, due to the existence of ‘love’ as result of Awareness/ meditation.
I have met many of such doctors, who come to Nepal and India to study ancient texts and learn from living practitioners, such as Shamans, babajis, matajis, yogis, you name it.
It only shows your ignorance and prejudice to reject Meditation and knowledge of the spiritual world.
To make the issue of exploitation of Mr. Bomjon is a non-issue, he was never force to go to the jungle, and meditate, he did it on his own. It is against his freedom to make him adjust with the society forcefully. His cleanliness and concern for his disease is also a non-issue, it is an attempt to divert his spiritual development and trying to make him a cult figure or organizing him into a some sort of religion.
He is a Jivan-Mukta, a free organism, because he has to be this to attain higher levels.
If you have a philosophy, Marc, explain it in a coherent terms. then we can discuss. First let us know, what are your points, categorically, can you do this?
More garbage replies……..
You all must not be able to read english. I’ve answered everything possible in the previous posts.
I’ve waisted every bit of my effort on each of you (which is what I’d thought would happen). Addressing each of you is like addressing an animated wandering object with a poor unnatural ability to communicate.
Expect no future replies. This thread is done. I’ve make everything clear I needed by answering all of you before
you had your chances to post. You each have nothing either to contribute nor offer.
“If you have a philosophy, Marc, explain it in a coherent terms. then we can discuss. First let us know, what are your points, categorically, can you do this?”
Answer ,”Learn to comprehend what you read and it will all hit you in the face right up in front of you. You missed it like in the same way one would miss the side of a barn trying to throw a ball at it from up close.” .
quote: “It only shows your ignorance and prejudice to reject Meditation and knowledge of the spiritual world.”
Answer: “Again, you also cat comprehend English. Yet you can read and write somewhat.”
Quote: “I have a psychiatrist doctor friend from Europe who had been failing to treat a ‘bipolar Disorder’ / schizophrenia’ patient for a long time. She was successful only when she applied the Awareness, to treat herself, then to treat her patient.”
Answer: “Your psychiatrist friend is an pseudo-educated professional who does not know what they are doing. They awareness term your trying to use is pure phantasy and is
a factual delusion both of you share. Your psychiatrist friend has a very real delusion with you. Invariably the patient had no such illness and was simply hoping for a mood of appreciation and emotional comfort their family, associates other medical professionals and friends were born without. often people withhold frustration for lack of emotional understanding that shows up as behavior anomalies. Likewise emotionally deficient people who were born with little ability toward real natural positive emotion (who must artificially manufacture positive behaviors that cloak a pool of negative propensity) do not have real positive emotions within them to show to another person. This also shows up in behavior as a cold / stupid / dull / insensitive / play-act disposition. These people are in fact adversarial. Adversarial people cause harm or assist harmful circumstances to perpetuate.
Your psychiatrist friend is CLEARLY adversarial and does lack benign emotional traits that others do observe. Once this person artificially manufactured a benign emotional disposition the patient relaxed a defensive posture. It was NOT the patient that has the mental illness it was factually the physician that was projecting their mental illness onto
a naturally destraught individual. In just the same way that your mental illness cannot discriminate between what is right and good from what you simply want.”
Your replies were insults not intended to be replies.
You simply dwell.
QuoteMeditation is not a waste of time. In fact one might be working in one’s profession, fully devoted to it, and plying roles as the society requires of him/her, but at the same time he/she is always in meditation, while working, making love with the spouse, playing with children, watching nature, playing sports, or just walking. As I told you since meditation is about awareness, the quality of life, career, profession, family, improves with it., because of the simple truth/ logic that Awareness improves ones decisions, helps unnecessary reactions to the stimulus from the environment and from ones own thoughts etc. Most importantly Awareness brings happiness. And happiness is the root cause of happiness. It sounds paradoxical but it is true, just try it. Awareness realizes true sense of ‘love’. Because ‘love’ is absence of ‘Self’, the stage where ‘the lover’ and ‘the loved’ is the same. That is the other person is you. For a Buddhist this practice is just a second nature. And other sects also practices it.”
Point blank answer: “You misunderstand everything conveniently to support what you entertain and what you want. The reality of the terms you use are used by you unnaturally, raised to a perceptive level that does not exist … FOR YOU. Despite the fact they may exist for only a few people. The useful reality for YOU is you are adversarial by nature and need to artificial positive elements around you that make you seem real. The 20 year period that lead you to the experienced quality of understanding is a joke because it reserves for you no advantage practice and useful for you. It would seem that the 20 years of education are a jumble of patched together ideas in no particular factual pattern other than what could be patched together.
The people would taught you should be beaten right along with you because you spread the same useless junk (Sort of like ‘talking shit” - you dont walk your talk. You talk another person’s talk and say it’s yours.)
You are like a drowning victim moving around on dry land. Your mind is drowning in its own jumble of arbitrary thoughts you fool yourself to seem structured.
Re-read everything above from the first post down. You’ll have to repeat everything over and over again until you brainwash yourself to take to it because that is how you learn. You learn not through fact but through repetitive impulse programming…..
Who knows, maybe even your brainwaves are just as harmful as your screw ups are.”
Speedycop its gotta be you. quit it.
That was exactly what I had expected in reply from you Marc. You are just a arrogant animal who lacks skills of communication and try to fill your lack of communication skill and knowledge about such a deep topic as meditation with all the garbage pseudo knowledge which are basically your ‘incohorent’ bunch of words. You try to show your knowledge, actually, your ignorance with all the garpage words. That only shows you are totally ‘confused’. You think the ‘third world’ people don’t have insights and knowledge, but treat them as an inanimated objects. That is what you are!
You try to teach us what we already know, but in your own terms. Now that makes your words confusing. We learn the subject by our own language, Sanskrit and pali. What you have learned is most of them as mistranslation and misinterpretation into English or whatever is your mother language.. That is the serious limitation for you to trying to understand with your own terms.
I have a feeling that you don’t like this topic at all, you are just trying to make us feel and our religions inferior. You have the motive to negate the knowledge of the east, belittle it, so that you can feel superior.
This is all because you feel you are inferior and wants to fill this inferiority by acting superior. Thats what you really are.
I know you cannot be changed, because it is like a suicide to you. I am sorry for you and wish you realize the truth
Your inability to communicate your philosophy categorically only shows your ‘hollowness’ and ignorance. You are only a chattering entity, who has nothing to share, but everything to criticize. Bask in your ‘inflated ego’ until it gets blasted, by some non-being like me, for good
I wish you be ‘free’ soon.
If you feel insulted, think how many people you have insulted before. Actually, You are the one who created the ‘insult’ for yourself. The ‘insult’ is just a replaying of the the ‘insult’ you have in your mind. The ‘insult’ is your response to your environment. I am just reminding, I know you know this theoretically.
The garbage you have posted before you is the thing of past, the bygone, hence stale. I wanted your fresh insights after talking with me. That you could not do/ not willing to do. So please don’t try to make a vulgar attempt to meddle in to such serious topic if you dont have capacity to empty what you have learned before, or are ‘brink full of trash’, or even cannot share in friendly term what you want to share.
Also to share in such a topic needs ‘humility’, patience, and empathy, that you apparently dont have. You think you know already, like Jason Tripitakas of ‘The Forebidden Kingdom’, but you know nothing.
I suggest you to read: Zen, Tao Te Ching (Taoism), Upanishads, Vedanta, Lotus Sutra (Buddhism), Kabir Vani, Majjimnikaya (Theravada Buddhism) to know who Mr. Bomjon is.
If could not find above, just read the book:
“Into every life a little Zen must fall: by Alan Keightley. Then you will know what this is all about in western perspective.
Buddha Bless you!
Your description on so called ’schizophrenic’ patient was good. But only thing is my psychriatic friend is not delusioned, she practices meditation and is kind and humble. Actually she is the one caused the treatment while others failed.
She is not a sarcastic and cynical mug like you. Why are you portraying your picture on her? Be AWARE !
Honestly, your description on so called ’schizophrenic’ patient was good.
But only thing is, my psychiatric friend is not delusioned, she practices meditation and is kind and humble. Actually she is the one caused the treatment while others failed. She showed the limitation on psychology in subject such as mind.
She is not a sarcastic and cynical mug like you. Why are you portraying your picture on her? Be AWARE !
well, i think that the idea of Nepal being saved by religion is just pathetic.
You defend your embarassment with adversarial babble.
Expect no future replies other than this. This thread is done. I did not take the time to read your posts other than the first and last sentances in one or two because I extrapolated your full position in your very first post.
Yiou stick to your guns because that is your programming were you cannot switch to any other program or segway operation.
You consider what my reply would be because you know you deserve it therefore you expect it thus you project that expectation on an obvious obtuse guess.
In fact you did expect a contrarian reply because you deserve it.
You did not expect the information provided yet did simply expect something logical which is quite incomparable toward you.
I will not come back to this thread ever again. You are and were a waist of time. You never read nor did understand any word posted above previously and could and can not not comprehend the grammar. The try to desperately destroy obvious good instruction.
Any and all communication with you was pointless from the beginning. You didnt begin posting to conversate. You began posting because you misbelieved you are the king of your hill and wanted to assert control over a domain you enter.
I do not and will not entertain you.
You are an expert nor a authority figure of anything. This is the mood going on in your mind. In fact your just a fly on a heep of shit believing he’s the king of the hill on top of the world elated to be there.
You use your babble to try to trump my good logic.
Again your rhetoric repeats the same subject matter
I’d just have to restate at you not to you.
Quote: “Zen, Tao Te Ching (Taoism), Upanishads, Vedanta, Lotus Sutra (Buddhism), Kabir Vani, Majjimnikaya (Theravada Buddhism) to know who Mr. Bomjon is.”
Answer: All your self education comes from these sources if you didnt google them first just before this post and is not your own knowledge.
In fact you know speculate using everyone elses terms and claim supremesy because you read something that other people falsely concede to when you quote it. You do not desreve the respect you underservedly receive. You are a con-man.
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More garbage replies……..
You all must not be able to read english. I’ve answered everything possible in the previous posts.
I’ve waisted every bit of my effort on each of you (which is what I’d thought would happen). Addressing each of you is like addressing an animated wandering object with a poor unnatural ability to communicate.
Expect no future replies. This thread is done. I’ve make everything clear I needed by answering all of you before you had your chances to post. You each have nothing either to contribute nor offer.
“If you have a philosophy, Marc, explain it in a coherent terms. then we can discuss. First let us know, what are your points, categorically, can you do this?”
Answer ,”Learn to comprehend what you read and it will all hit you in the face right up in front of you. You missed it like in the same way one would miss the side of a barn trying to throw a ball at it from up close.” .
This is to to Marc.
Not only do you spout contrary opinions, you do it it poorly.
You lambaste others for their grammar and intelligence, and yet, attempting to read your narrow minded and abusive opinions, I find that you remind me of a small minded, ignorant hick who is too caught up in making himself sound verbose, rather than addressing the real issues at hand,
:”Answer ,”Learn to comprehend what you read and it will all hit you in the face right up in front of you. You missed it like in the same way one would miss the side of a barn trying to throw a ball at it from up close.” .”
Instead of criticizing others, perhaps you should take your own advice.
Anyone can use big words….you’ve proven that not everyone can use them successfully.
As for this boy? Before anyone doubts that there is a remote possibility, think of Jesus. Think of Buddha. Think of the basis for all of the major world religions. Faith and belief are powerful tools. it discount them completely only makes you a fool.
I think the little dude seemed like he was earnestly practicing. You don’t hear of too many 15 year olds sitting still for that long where I’m from(Canada) The one critique I have is that when he addressed everyone he should have just said something like, “Please, leave me alone, I don’t care what you think about me, Just forget about me, worry about yourself” all the other stuff just sounded like some one reciting doctrine, and to me kinda left the sense of like “await my return”
I liked it better before when the kid was just sitting there doing nothing, and everyone jumped to all kinds of crazy conclusions about what he was, some hating on him, some following him, some asking if he was the second coming of jesus- Hahaha
He is not Buddha boy. He is just another boy. People can choose to believe or not too believe -that is their choice. I see no evidence to suggest that this is nothing more than a hoax of some sort.
I recall journalists observing that the boy would hide at night behind a large barrier protected by his friends. The suggestion being that he would eat during the night. At some point he ate during his ‘fast’ for he showed little in the way of the effects of fasting that others have done before him.
If people want to worship false idols then that is their choice. I can appreciae that it is human need to worship and seek hope and light when all is dark around them but this is a real shame.
Evo,
you can decide not to believe, but please, stop considering people who believe in something as if they have a weak mind. It’s an old atheist trick..
If you really want to know, don’t believe. Go there and see…
You do not need to be atheist to see the boy for what he is -a boy from the village with long hair.
I realise this is not what you believe but the evidence is against you. He is just a village boy.
He has quite a reputation for someone who has achieved very little. Pretending to fast in the ‘jungle’ is not an achievement. Nor, is wielding a large sword. Lies always spread faster than truth but truth shall come -in time.
Now, some people with low emotional levels will accuse me of being ‘bitter’ or ‘jealous’ or an ‘atheist’ but these are just petty comments. I have seen what has been written above and the reaction to people who do not believe is suppression.
I form my opinion on evidence gleamed from first person accounts and from people who know this boy.
So, If you KNOW that it’s a hoax, please say it. he’s just a village boy, I agree with you. There is NO evidence against me, since I don’t believe. I’d LIKE to believe, but I’m not sure. Perhaps he is a village boy with, at the beginning, good motives, perhaps he REALLY wanted to be a monk and to meditate. Probably some people saw how much money they could win with him and exploited him. I don’t know. If you really want to know, I like the picture of this young boy meditating. If it’s a hoax, it’s a damn long one, dangerous for his heatlh.
So, I have only one question for you, Evo. I can’t come to Nepal and ask questions. So, if you really sure it’s a hoax (don’t say, as above, that you see no evidence that’s nothing more than a hoax), please tell it clearly : tell that you KNOW it’s a fake, a hoax and you can explain it. And, believe me or not, but I’ll be ready to listen to you. I don’t want a nice story, I want a true one.
Sincerely Yours
Dominique it is always possible for a village to be more than he is. Anything is possible in this world. It is possible that I am the greatest football player since Pele but it is improbable.
The great village boy when meditating:
-Had his own security entourage whilst meditating. What sort of boy has his own security if he is innocently meditating and not expecting to be disturbed?
-At night was hidden by blinds when supposedly meditating. Some people have claimed to see him eat during the night and fast during the day but it is unverified.
-Scientists were denied access to the boy at all times. They were there to test the claim (mostly through observation) that he had been meditating and fasting for so long. Why would an innocent boy who is there to meditate deny scientific observers but allow the faithful to watch?
-The boy supposedly subjected himself to hardship by fasting himself and sitting in one position for such long periods of time. However, it had little, perhaps no physical effect upon his body? This is medically impossible. The faithful will believe that it is because he is some kind of god but the majority will know that not even Buddha, Jesus or Mohammed could deny the physical realities of starvation.
He is just another boy from the village and it is obvious he has captured the imagination of people. Perhaps he was inspired to meditate but like many impatient children probably decided it was easier to cut corners. I can not speculate on his motives and nor do I wish to accuse a boy who I do not know personally.
On a bright note, at least he has brought hope to some people and this is a valuable thing, hoina? He is not taking money from the people (from what I can see) which is a step up from the politicians that govern our land.
I think that boy is indeed above the normal people. He is trying to achieve something noble and is sincerely trying to contribute in making this world a better place. He looks very healthy and clean despite all the worries put forth by few. He has already faced the worst moments and it has been years now. Still one could see much radiance and feel so much positivity about him. He looks so mature and calm. He is very happy with wat he is doing…no need of unneccesary worries about his childhood…he is special one and i pray he is successful in his objectives.
In fact I feel sorry for Marc delit and few here. marc delit i think needs to look back at the basics of buddhism and understands that it not just the width but basic depth that one needs to understand too. He sounds so negative and creating delusion in innocent minds here. He thinks he is too learned and is trying to show off. He needs to be humble and constructive…
Wheni go thru his mail…(i only read few of his comments)…and i already smell much arrogance. This is my thought and i hope marc u will learn to be positive and not take my remark as rebuke… as i am reflecting wat he is presenting himself as. i wish u all goodness and happiness.
Buddhaboy has more strength, calmeness, wholesome wisdom, and noble objectivity than any of us here. Better worry about ourself n our life more which needs to more denting and mending to do in this fast paced selfish life….
peace to all …..
Even Buddha is an ordinary guy, just like this boy Bomjon. But what happened to him/ through him was extraordinary. The extraordinary event such as enlightenment or whatever one names it, can happen to the most ordinary person, there is no difference whether he or she is a village person or a city dweller, or residing in Mars.
What is important is the ‘event’, not the person. Most people in this posting seems to be preoccupied with the person (such as Bomjon, and his behaviours) than be interested in the ‘event’ the quality of the enlightenment/ peace/ silence/ awareness, and its relationship with the person.
Can we talk on these issues which is more important??
How can science measure something than happened to Buddha? More precisely is there a scientific tool yet developed that can measure enlightenment?
Bomjon has never claimed he can fast for months, so why need to examine his intestine for food particles? He is not competing for Guiness World Record either.
Maybe he needs some security around him, so that he can be in peace/ meditation. For this he needs help from society.
Why do we think that a meditator is an island detached from society or nature in general? Can a man be an island, meditate and get enlightenment? Was Buddha in isolation before and after his enlightenment?
I don’t think so. He was in harmony with the nature (or society) and in this harmony the ‘enlightenment’ happened.
Buddha used to stay in various monasteries (aaraams) during rainy season, to rest. Do one think Buddha would have challenged the nature (thinking his body is made of steel), got wet and possibly caught pneumonia, and die foolishly? Never.
So why do we think and pose standards (and criteria, most of them our assumptions about a Buddhaboy) and wants to see a Buddhaboy of our fantasy? It is our ignorance.
The point again is the body is ordinary, but what happens is ‘extraordinary’.
PS: Marc Delit is just an ordinary person, but he has shown how confused he actually is, trying to look smart. His confusion is the cliff he has to fall from, if he is interested in Buddha consciousness. But unfortunately, he quit already, knowing his smartness was only his hollowness, and he has nothing to contribute further in this posting, apart from his arrogant blabber.
i don’t know why we don’t have belief in ourself.we always try to find some spritual power since in the time of difficulty to help us.we have several god since so long time still we keep wandering to search new gods.we haven’t been able to prove the existence of those known gods who are prevelent in our society since long time.what we should know is god is within our own self.those people who are serving the society without their selfish intrest are serving the god.we should not search for new gods in twentyfirst centurey.
Dear Parth,
One philosopher Nietzsche said god is dead. I would say god has to die to get enlightenment.
Why? because, god is a concept created by mankind . God is the name given to the quality of consciousness which is understood by ‘enlightenment’ , ‘moksha’ , ‘yoga’, whatever you give it a name.
Buddhism in its purest form do not preach about god. Hinduism in its purest form only talks about the existence of ‘Bramha’, the ultimate source of everything. Bhramha is not a god, but is a formless, colorless source of energy. Later Hindu scripts talks about various gods (deities) created from Bhramha, and from these gods and deities other entities were created. So basically Hinduism do not preach gods directly. In Hinduism (sanatan) Bhrahma is ultimate, and the ultimate can be understood (realized) directly by gyana yoga (the way of wisdom). In this Hinduism and Buddhism has little difference apart from one concept, ie:
Hinduism believes in the existence of Brahma first, then it deducts that if Brahma exists, its manifestation into gods, living and non living things all all the universe exist.
Whereas Buddha taught not to believe in anything from the start, rather even challenge all beliefs, then ‘investigate’ into the consciousness, until one reaches the void, where on realizes the true nature of the ultimate. This method is inductive, and comparable to the scientist approach to the discovery of nature’s truth.
We dont have to be atheist to understand Buddhist. Atheist is just a reaction, and spends most of his/her time negating the existence of something in which he has deep interest.
If we know our role and what we are born for, why do we have to believe in anything. Belief is like accepting something that you dont know. Belief is a temporary assumption about the truth that you do not know. If your belief did not come true, like if your god did not bless you, then will you become an atheist and blame god for every misfortune, and even become an atheist to rebel against the god? It sound very childish.
So, there is another way, ie, to not taking anything for face value, but investigating and finding the existence of the ultimate, by yourself. When you find the ultimate by yourself, why you need to believe in the first place?
Having said this, I completely agree with you that we should not seek new gods. But I even stress that we need to wipe out all our concepts about gods and goddesses, before we realize the source of all (source of gods included).
It is not yet 6 years since he started meditating . So i believe this person in the photo is not the real buddha boy.
Palden Dorje, the kid who said OM NAMO GURU BUDA GYANI, is an authentic paradigm of hoax Vs Scientific Research. (The Skeptic Paradigm, is: everything must be real and we keep respect of all sacred beliefs, cause the mind can create that thoughts.)
First. How, during two or almost three years of meditation Tummo, he can’t reach some infection disease (even the snake story)
Second. Power Mind can explain all that phenomenic items, included neuroinmunologic behavior.
Third. Now is the turn of the science, Measuring with devices, neuroimage technologies and of course, seric tests.
Fourth. This is not a neuroepistemic challenge, just before, neurophilosophers and neuroscientist and physicians too, needs to understand the interesting paradigm of this “belief…”
Fifth. My research group, will take a trip to Birganji, Ratanapuri trying to understand, EVERYTHING BEYOND RAM, The preacher DORJE. The first group will arrive to Bara, at December 2008, with the neuroresearcher Terpsi Sue and some scientist graduated in physics, interested in this issue.
Keep n’touch in this page.
Palden Dorjee alais Buddha boy, never claimed or sought to be called Buddha infact he objected to such use. He never claims to be a God or a healer. In fact he had wished to be left alone so as to reach his objective peacefully n effectively. Its hard to understand why few are so negative about him. He never demanded money or publicity nor he is harming anyone in fact he is striving peacefully and with objective for every one’s wellbeing…
Oxygen, you’re right and I also think what Palden Dorje has been doing is very inspiring. I would like to know if there is anyone here who has met Palden Dorje in person. Or if you’d like to share your story or opinion about him, please drop me email at
buddhagyani@gmail.com
Thank you.
Its all the same rhetoric. I rest my case.
You people are adversarial, dangerous and cannot divert from
your mode of operation. Your belief systems are an lunatic
symptom of insane underdeveloped minds.
Hello Marc,
Can you tell me what is a developed mind? Why do you wish to insult or smack this person? Would this make you feel better? The Buddha teaches us to be compassionate and have clarity of mind but i sense that your mind is filled with anger and therefore cannot be clear? I put it that your words are adversarial and can cause conflict/anger with others. One of the central teaching of the Buddha is to not cause conflict.Since this is one of the major causes of human suffering. We cause it ourselves through hate, greed, lust etc etc.
There is a saying that goes:
Even in the midst of chaos you must find peace, for if you are not at peace with yourself. How can you be at peace with those or the environment around you?
Given all your remarks, i don’t think that you are at peace with yourself. I hope that you find it oneday. I am still on that journey myself.
Cheers,
Dai.
Major Sharp,
How do you propose we wipe out the concepts? Why not simply not be bound by them.
Ultimately nothing is important. Importance itself is just another human concept. It is our attachment to them that causes us suffering.
Cheers
Dai,
Nicely put , I really appreciate.
Yes we need to wipe out all the concepts to realize the nothingness. Detaching from concepts is to wipe out the concepts. If we try to live with concepts and try to get detached from it, its still the same old trick the mind plays. concept is the ‘thing’ and until it remains with you, you can never be completely detached. ‘Thing’ has no place with ‘nothing’. And ‘Nothing’ is the source of everything. To reach ‘nothing’ , we have to wipe out the ‘Thing’, it is ‘either this or that’ situation, ie, mutually exclusive. You cannot live with both.
Its like re-formatting harddisk. It is frightening, that’s why few people can attempt it. It like being born again, the rebirth.
Yes, ‘importance’ and any such values is the ‘Thing’ - a human concept. And ‘Ultimate = source of all things’ is ‘nothing’ !
It is the ‘Nothing’ that Buddha realized and taught.
Yes, the cause of conflict is concepts. And in ‘nothing’ there is peace.
Marc,
You meed to understand that everything you’ve been trying to give here has already been meant for you. I was angry like you for way too long, and it just doesn’t help anyone. Stop being an ass.
I can recommend a good Gestalt psychotherapist for your current problems (big part narcissism) . You may need a shock treatment of ayahuasca or psilocybin to shut up and accept things. We love you.
Namaste
*need
If nothing is the goal, why does everyone feel the need to put something on this blog?
Me,
To realize the reality that the source of eveything is ‘nothing’. But ‘nothing’ cannot be the goal, actually ‘goal’ is another concept. I hope you realize it. It is the goalless approach that is required for realizing nothingness.
We must have to study seriously about the concept of Mediation before comment on it. I suppose The buddha boy is in the path of self relization. he’s in the sadhana period.
Buddha or not, this boy can use his popularity to solve or create( as he wishes) many problems. A person of the soil..preaching religion can me a very powerful political tool…i hope he uses he influence in a right direction. if he does…then he is indeed holy if not then we might be in trouble.
Slok
Madhu,
Meditation is not a subject to study. Rather we can be in Meditation by being aware and attentive. Attentive to the ‘Self’, ‘thoughts’, ‘actions, ‘nature’, ‘relationship’, all hte things on which you can be aware of. Closing your eyes and chanting mantras is not Meditation.
By Sadhana you may gain some extra sensory perception and some magical powers, ie, Siddhis, but that is not the Meditation. Actually all the Siddhis are by products of higher level of consciousness that a meditator reaches, but they are just by products. The true Yogi, Dhyani, Sadhak just ignores these by products and realizes the Ultimate, ie, nothingness, the source of eveything.
People can become powerful symbols to the masses. We can shape hope, or beliefs through conduits of expression. The actions of others reflect upon us, just as our own reflect upon others. To express compassion and understanding is essential to success in surviving the coming years. We must learn to tolerate ideals and cultures in a manner which makes human thought compatible in more general terms. I feel this boy is discovering possible solutions to our compatibility issues. Human kind has always been intolerant and misunderstanding of each other. By making examples of how to live peacefully, we can share experiences which offer solutions. I appreciate the symbol this boy has created. It manifests hope in my heart. I hope we can let him be, and discover what he needs, that he may choose to share it with the world. In such harsh times, I ask that we try not to judge or ‘name call’ at others with whom we do not agree. I think the value of knowledge shared far surpasses that of an egotistical will which only shuns other’s actions.
omg well i think Mr mark here is either a psycho or a very brilliant mad thinker who is so obsessed with the fact that there is a younger guy who is trying to bring change by spreading the word of Buddhism to the whole world, It might as well leave a mark of proper judgement or might be a failure due to people like you who always have negative enzymes of both thoughts and actions. I would say that I am not much a philosopher or ever been to samadhi like you ” experienced” i would say you are a hypocrite in every way ..you try to learn the ways of our culture yet you manage to sprinkle salt in somebody’s wound just like saying adding fuel to fire, your judgement is very poor and yet you get the time to argue back and still keep bad mothing about the innocent boy who doesnt even know there are people like you who are talking bad about his judgements …
By having a required approach, this signifiies a concept or steps to acheive a goal…or more simply put “a way.” Even if it is only as simple as to approach accepting the concept of nothingness with nothing. Energy is the source of everything. We all are and will be forever energy. It is not created or distroyed. It is what binds and repels. The question is why does everyone put “something” in this blog, when ‘nothing’ brings peace. Would not understanding (that is energy transfer via chemical reaction), bring peace?
The approach = steps might be to understand clearly (for that one might have to purify one’s mind and body) the truth that nothingness cannot be realized by something (concepts, persuing). Purifying mind and body, may not guarantee the realization of the ultimate. You cannot reach the ultimate, but only if you are fully prepared for the ultimate, the ultimate comes to you like a ‘lightening bolt’ stikes a target.
Meaning, all the ‘ways’ or approaches might be necesssary to prepare oneself for the ultimate/ nothingness contact you.
Why we put something on this blog, when ‘nothing’ bring peace?
The answer can be: We put something on this blog, to share among ourselves the shortest and best ‘approach’ / ‘way’ to prepare ourselves in ‘mind’ and ‘body’ so the mind/body is ready for the ‘nothing’ to contact it, thus one can be ‘one’ with ‘nothing’= ‘ultimate’.
But energy can be created, by destryoing matter (E=MCsquare), and many times energy is the vibration of matter, such as heat energy, energy can change its form, but, accoding to the Bing Bang theory of creation of universe, in the beginning there was ‘nothing’. And from nothing energy and matter were created.
So ‘nothing’ is the source of everything, including ‘energy’. Nothing can exist if there were not empty space for that thing to exist.
I hope I was able to share ’something’.
please read above on the second last sentence: ‘Not a thing’ can exist if there were not ‘empty space=nothing’ for that thing to exist.
To The mark delit,
I wonder you are a self proclamied obstinate Guru or whatever.Guru doesn’t mean that you have to wear clean clothes and shaved beard .yes I understand he has difficulties in communicating which proves his genuinity.His language is “Tamang” which is not even nepali.and for your kind information Tamang language is entirley diffrent from nepali. I must appreciate his effort…how difficult it is to speak nepali when your mother tongue is Tamang…. I know you people are more accustome to those eloquent gurus who practised in their entire life How to lie and attract those followers…with millions of bank balance and very pampered lifestyle.on the contrary….Ram bahadur(name of a a Hindu GOd)…tried his best to get away with s called follower and keep low profile similar to the situation that “The SHAKYA muni BUddha has One faced …but the greedy followers never left him….hence being Tamang myself and speaking 7 diffrent languages . including ENGLISH…I greatly appreciate his effort to make word a better place to live.he never told that follow me …or used some mystical word to describe the life…He just say peace and sadhana can bring the joy in one’s life.and I think the GITA says the same things so does the “Tripitika”….Long words and difficult senteces is just a way to circumvent urself…I wish “MARK DELIT” who knows lot about life and sadhnas know a simple fact ..that If you spit facing up in the sky …it will come down to you….
astu….
………Budhham saranam gachyami”"”"”"
Boy wants to meditate? Let that kid meditate..
I could not care less….
hahahahaha
I’m not Marc Delit, how about that?
I’m not Major Sharp too..