Nepal in Transition: Terai Secession Is a Myth

As twin kids of the Maoists escalate their violence in eastern Terai in the name of the so called ‘Terai’ nation, it becomes increasingly difficult to see how any educated realist from Terai could ever support them.

By Chhatra Bahadur [This article first appeared in a private discussion forum and UWB is publishing this article with writer’s permission. Chhatra Bahadur is not a real name.]

Almost all failed politicians in Nepal sooner or later tend to resort to the dirtiest method available to them. Look at Padma Ratna Tuladhar. After being rejected by his own population in election, the old lion has now turned into a reckless elephant, destroying houses and farms with the manufactured claim of marginalization of Newars. Now give me a break. Newars are among the richest, most educated people. They have become prime minister, and were private secretary of the kings. And the vaunted Newar culture of Kathmandu was a thing of past when Prithvi Narayan attacked Kathmandu. If you remove the reign of Bhupatindra Malla, Siddi Narasingh Malla and Pratap Malla, and subtract the contribution of Licchavi, what will be left about Kathmandu is a continuous fight in the valley among the Malla kingdoms. The last king Jaya Prakash Malla was fighting with his own people for most of his reign, and was betrayed by his own people when he finally fell to Gorkha. Ditto with tumultuous Patan and gradually unstabilised Bhaktapur. Those kingdoms were sitting ducks when Prithvi took them. Truth hurts, but these are the realities, and Padma Ratna and his ilks need to face them.

I mean think about this: if a king of the poorest of the chaubise kingdom- Gorkha had no market, no mines, and with 12,000 population was considered a small country- could win three ‘mighty’ kingdoms of the valley, how safe you were really from the mighty and cunning British, who needed a ‘hill station’ and a ‘trade route’ to Tibet? The British needed a decent hill station so badly that later, they settled in a barren land later to be called Darjiling.

Padma Ratna or Keshav Sthapit are not the only whiners. After not being able to win the election, after getting downsized from 6 to 3 members in parliament, Nepal Sadbhavana Party had no other option but to resort more violently to the terai issue. But most important transformation came with the spoilt brats like Bimalendra Nidhi and Jaya Prakash Gupta. Nidhi lost his own election, his stature, and is not even comparable to the shadow of his illustrious father. JP Gupta’s latest book is nothing but a chronicle of self victimization when he was indubitably a corrupt man who is free now exactly because of corruptibility of present judiciary. These people now talk loudly about victimization of Terai.

As twin kids of the Maoists escalate their violence in eastern Terai in the name of the so called ‘Terai’ nation, it becomes increasingly difficult to see how any educated realist from Terai could ever support them. Just like most of the Nepali rejected the Maoists despite the feeling that some of their core demands stemmed from legitimate concerns, decent people in Terai are going to reject these firebrand opportunists, while maintaining that their demand do have valid foundation, and that we all need to work out the future path nonviolently.

Think about this: what would a free Terai look like? Now, Chitwan and Makwanpur are the districts heavily populated by “Pahadiyas”, so heavy indeed that Sadbhabana party didn’t even field a candidate in Chitwan in the past elections. Since these districts touch India, any country of “Terai” will be like pre-1971 Pakistan, geographically separate. To go to Rupandehi from Siraha, one will have to go from India or a part of Nepal. In the long run, like erstwhile Pakistan, such states don’t survive.

If somehow present Terai is merged with India, the situation of Teraibasis won’t improve either. Biharis are treated pretty badly in places like Bombays or New Delhi, something similar to how ignorant Kathmanuites treat them in Kathmandu.

Talk to both JTMM factions: Jwala Singh

By Bedraj Poudel

INARUWA, Jan 13- Jwala Singh, chairman of the Janatantrik Mukti Morcha (JTMM) faction which broke away from Jai Krishna Goit, has said that the government should hold talks with a joint team of both the JTMM factions.

Talking to the Post over the telephone from an undisclosed location, Singh (Nagendra Pashwan) said, “If the seven parties can hold talks with the Maoists, why can’t the government talk to both of our factions?”

“I still consider Goit as my guide, but I don’t know why he tries to stay away,” Singh told the Post. “I want to carry him on my shoulder and take him along in the war to free the terai people.” He also denied rumors of his party threatening to disrupt the citizenship distribution and expressed his party’s commitment to helping in that task.

“We possess no differences over constituent assembly and citizenship distribution,” he said, adding, “But, we will tell people not to take citizenship certificates being distributed by Pahades (people hailing from the hilly region).”

The fact is there is no shortcut to gain respect. Teraibasis need to work hard, produce more intelligent professionals such as doctors or engineers, keep their towns safe and clean. If all the news they hear from Terai is about witches being fed faeces, or brides immolated due to dowry concern of in-laws, or grooms chosen in open market, how can members of another community genuinely respect that community? Sherpas who were considered inferior and dirty in the past now has earned enormous respect for themselves sheerly due to hardwork. When I went to Solukhumbu recently, I was so impressed with the region above Lukla that I told about it to everybody in my village. On the other hand, a villager of mine who went to Janakpur to work writes how ‘big’ Janakpur’s mosquitoes are, and how difficult it is to go to cyber cafe and write a brief email to me.

Terai has problems, issues, and it is time educated and brave Teraibasis take those issues courageously. Letting people like Goit, or Nidhi or Jwala Singh hijack these issues does no one good, prolongs the pain of Terai, and is harmful to the whole nation. It is important first to recognize that there are no constitutional discriminations against Terai anymore, and that we must work peacefully to break the remaining barriers.

Related blog:
JTMM Terror In Siraha

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48 thoughts on “Nepal in Transition: Terai Secession Is a Myth”

  1. Well, on the surface, this argument looks innocent, but he is how neocons look like. These people often are Pahade hill “Hindu” men, but sometimes people from other groups play honarary roles. Lets look at Chhatra Bahadur’s two arguments: Economic and Cultural.

    Economic: He (almost always neocons are He; so I am reasonably sure that the author is a he) thinks that Nepal’s poor are lazy. Those who “work hard” can achieve their “dreams.” A few months ago (weeks before the April movement), Karna Shakya wrote exactly the same lines in one of Nepal’s prominient English newspapers. He was in the nutshell claiming that Nepal’s lazy are envious of Nepal’s rich and powerful like himself. The people who were protesting were lazy folks who did not want to work and earn! A question to Chhatra Bahadurs and Karna Shakyas is: Have you travelled Nepal a little bit? Have you seen that millions of Nepalis toil in their “farm” lands for 18 hrs a day yet can not afford education to their kids? Have you heard that sons and daughters of the Dalit are not treated (by their teachers and friends) with dignity in schools (Just note the recent Baglung incident, how a Dalit woman was evicted from a rented house).? Is Karna Shakyas, ironically a tourism entrepreuner, aware of the fact that the life of “Himalayan porters” is not easy, but it enriches Karna Shakyas enormously?

    Culture: Chhatra Bahadur is no less than a racist in his view of a Nepali “nation.” Let’s look at his one or two of yardsticks of Nepali nationalism. He not only is finding fault with the Madhises for not producing enough “doctors” and “engineers” (which perhaps is patently false; check the list of Madhise engineers and doctors in appropriate departments (like the NMC, irrigation, road and water supply departments. Think also about the “BSC” high teachers until very recently), he also thinks that the Madhises are a “dirty people.” More pernecious is the fact that he constrasts the “clean” Sherpas with the “dirty” Madhises (What about the Tamangs of Rasuwa, Chhatra Bahadur?). He is implying that the “Nepalis nation” should be constructed around “cleaniness” (Faultlessly, the same idea the Europeans made when they colanized the world); the dirty should learn to keep themselves clean or else….? Chhatra Bahadur is clueless about cultural ispirations of the people and the dangerous part of his “insight” is that his mind is full of colonizers’ logics. How can we expect the emergence of a genuine Nepali nation if the expertise of Chhatra Bahadurs prevails?

    The lesson: Beware of Nepal’s neocons particularly at this time of transition. Extremists like the Maoists and others are nothing compared to Chhatra Bahadurs since they come in guise of “expert” views.

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  2. Yes, it’s time for these failed politicians to abandon their idealisms and let peace prevail at least for the time being.

    I am a Newar and I think it is legitimate that Terai and Valley people demand at least some respect. For example, the Newars lost the court battle to make Newari an official language in the Valley Metropolitan offices. I think this is quite unfortunate but we have to live with it. Even close friends who are not Newars defend the decision saying that there are so many non-Newars in the valley that it would do harm to them to have Newari as an official language.

    I think that the more diversity and languages you promote, the more jobs you create and the more ‘civilized’ you become and in the not-so-long term promoting different cultures will result in a happier citizen population.

    The Terai people are demanding that the ‘pahadis’ don’t come to their place as bosses and officers be appointed from their own community, and at least a significant portion of the revenue collected from Terai be invested back in the region. I think these are legitimate demands and to brush them aside would be to aleinate a significant and important part of our country.

    If things continue like this, I think the Terai people will feel that they are better off if they break off from Nepal and perhaps join India.

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  3. I think it is best that history not be invoked in these discussions. As is, the Terai and Newar people (and perhaps others) provide a rich cultural diversity and identity for the nation, and allowing them to florish will provide an enviable piece of cultural real-state in this small region of the Himalayas.

    Providing language and cultural/religious freedoms for the different groups will keep the radicals who want a separate state at bay.

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  4. The Nepal Watcher: I agree with your analysis. Chatra Bahadur (and many people like him) is brushing real issues under the carpet.

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  5. If and when the people of each and every district start electing their own CDOs and form District Parliaments the development of Nepal will not be far cry. As long as Sighadarbar is appointing CDOs development is just poltical talk.

    Terai Mukti Andolan is nothing new. It was going on since King Tribhuwan came back from India in 1951. Because most of the land owners were Ranas, Bahuns and Chhetries from the Hills Andolan never saw the day light. Present Andolan will not succeed because the population is so much mixed than ever before. Same way Newars from Kathmandu Valley will never succeed evicting all the Non-Newars.

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  6. It is my opinion that the non-Newars will actually benefit if they provide the Newars with a little more language and cultural freedoms, in the form of a distict identity.

    I don’t think anybody wants to evict anybody.

    In this front, at least the Maoists are making an effort to see that the local people are represented by one of their own.

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  7. Yeah when the Maoists uprising first started the govt. didn’t give a damn-busy in their freeding frenzy of corruption and power. Looks like the same thing is happening with the JTMM.

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  8. The Nepal Watcher:

    You are going all over in your argument. You are invoking Dalits and what not and accusing the writer of being neocon. Your argument could be refined by focussing on the points, rather than digressing like that.

    >”Have you travelled Nepal a little bit? ”
    Yes. Iam an avid trekker, and has been to almost everywhere. I have also put my money where my mouth is, and provided scholarships to marginalized people. I am also one of those very few people who have fought with my own classmate because he once said ‘ta’ to a ‘madhesi chana-chatpate seller’ who was a lot older than my classmate.

    On the other hand, tell me a (developing) country where doing a manual labor can provide you a comfortable life? That’s why you have to be intelligent to have a comfortable life.

    “Have you seen that millions of Nepalis toil in their “farm” lands for 18 hrs a day yet can not afford education to their kids? ”

    My parents. Of course, not 18 hours, but they worked quite a lot. But it is nonsensical to say they couldn’t afford to their kids. We went to a sarkari school in chitwan, and the tuition was less than twenty rupees per month, and that too they waived to almost 20% of the students.

    I mean, don’t make it sound personal. I can go on and on refuting your nonsensical counterarguments.

    My point is simple: to talk about freedom for Terai is nonsense, specially when it comes from failed politicians. There are valid concerns, but it takes time to erase all symptoms of discrimination. In our country, the discrimination is so deep rooted that it exists within Newars, within Madhesis and within Brahmins also.

    Anno:

    Did I disparage the Newar culture? No. I do support making Newar one of the official languages. In fact, I felt that it was one already when I went to get some money in Gorkhapatra sansthan, and the assistant there was talking in Newari with all the local visitors. It was unfortunate that the court didn’t allow that, but we all know the court is packed with bad guys.

    But I disagree when people say Prithvi dismantled the flourishing culture of KTM, Newars are not treated equally etc. KTM was decaying by the time Prithvi attacked it. One way or other, the valley was going to be ruled by others since British were eyeing it anyway. Newars are treated with respect now, they are rich and educated and no one can disparage them. The only reason why Padma Ratna et al speak stridently against others, and try to perpetuate hatred is because they are now groping to find popular support that they no longer have.

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  9. And yes, it also depends on what you want to look at when you grow up.

    When I was in KTM to study ISc, my ghar-bheti was a Syangjali Bahun in Samakhusi, a real bitch. But then there was a Newari old lady from a rich and powerful family who treated me so kindly, and whenever I went their house, gave me one of the most sumptuous foods I have ever eaten.

    Our country’s politics is more complicated than this Bahun Vs Newar, Pahadi Vs Madhesi reductionism suggests. In any case, whatever complaints are there, they should come from honest and popular politicians, not from the opportunists who resort to the communal politics as a mean to further their own personal ambition. Under these people, the only direction Nepal will take is towards more chaos, more mayhem, and less solution.

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  10. Chhatra Bahdur,

    It is nonsensical and farcical to bring forth your personal experience to make points against the experience of millions in Nepal. It is even more farcical to claim that you “offer” scholarship to Nepal’s poor so that you understand the poor. You are no different than the politicians you are decrying against. Let Nepalis be poor and you guys keep on rescuing them by “offering scholarship,” right?

    What is intelligence, Chhatra Bahadur? To me this is an example of a total bankrupt mind that says “That’s why you have to be intelligent to have a comfortable life.” Why are crying against Nidhi or Jaya Prakash? Are not they intelligent (according to your own view) enough to spin new issues or master corruption skills? Or even should we decry that Charles Shovraj killed many people “intelligently?”

    To me, the questions of ethics and dignity comes with “intellegence.” If you do not believe in ethics and human dignity, then it’s a different matter; we can not communicate. Do not make farcial arguments that people in Nepal should not have a comfortable life because that’s the story of “developing” countries. Or all problems in Nepal are “natural” becuase they also appear in developing countries.

    Your argument is very clear. You are essentially saying that the problems of the people of Nepal are personal and individualistic. Hard working and sane people like you have succeeded and those who have “failed” are lazy, right? You are also saying that cultural aspirations (forget Terai “freedom” for a while now) of the people are nothing. To repeat one of your pontifical arguments, there is a problem in Terai because “they” do not “produce” doctors and engineers and because they do not clean their homes, right? As a (culturally to say the least) privilleged person you might think so. You can only know what cultural aspirations are only after you learn the skill to put yourself in the shoes of the culturally marginalized.

    How can you help Nepal in Terai or other issues? Stop your racist rants that compare sanitary practices of “Madhesis” and “Sherpas.” Stop blaming the poor for being poor.

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  11. I definitely don’t want to argue with you, since you already termed me a racist. You obviously don’t have any patience to read my arguments either. To give your flawed arguments, one is enough:

    “there is a problem in Terai because “they” do not “produce” doctors and engineers ”

    Where did I say they don’t produce doctors and engineers?

    You are now so filled with hatred that you probably don’t have any patience to read my arguments. You want to prove that I am a racist, and that perhaps ‘pahadi bhagao’ type andolan and the secession of Terai will lead to the liberation of Terai. I can’t change your mind, as internet debates normally only hardens one’s original position, but perhaps circumstances will, as they unfold.

    Good luck.

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  12. It’s time that Nepal’s experts (often high caste pahade male) examined their deeply rooted assumptions and beliefs. It’s time they reread their own writings. It’s not hard to see racist, sexist, jingoist and elitist assumptions in their egoist “expert” views.

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  13. Dear NepalWatcher:

    I didn’t want to continue our discussion, but I felt I just need a final rebuttal. I promise that I will give you a final word.

    Here is what you just wrote:

    The Nepal Watcher (06:17:29) :

    “It’s time that Nepal’s experts (often high caste pahade male) examined their deeply rooted assumptions and beliefs. It’s time they reread their own writings. It’s not hard to see racist, sexist, jingoist and elitist assumptions in their egoist “expert” views. ”

    My problem with your posting is you are all over. Why can’t focus somewhere, in a point? Now where did you see sexism, jingoism again? hare shiva. How am I ever supposed to respond to you if you jump from one accusation to another without citing anything to substantiate your points?

    Furthermore, let’s see what happened from your first posting. You asked a few deeply personal questions, such as whether I have seen any person working hard, whether I have been to hinterlands, and so on. I replied by furnishing you with my personal experience, since I thought you might revise your views after reading about my own background as an avid pro-Terai, pro-justice person, who had fought with his own classmates. But then you come back and say something like this: “It is nonsensical and farcical to bring forth your personal experience to make points against the experience of millions in Nepal. It is even more farcical to claim that you “offer” scholarship to Nepal’s poor so that you understand the poor.”

    Here is what I think to be the reality: discrimination exists, but dissolution of state is not solution, nor is persecution of Pahadiyas in Terai. There is no monolithic Terai region anymore, interspersed as it is by heavy Pahadiya population. And lest you accuse Pahadiya of incursion in Terai, region such as Chitwan were forest earlier, and were also part of Pahadiya kingdom (chitwan was part of Tanahu) earlier. Under Shah and Rana rulers, we all sufferred, irrespective of our castes, and other identity. To monopolize these sufferings by one community is mistake. To say that under Shah/Rana, there was systematical oppression of people of Terai or Newars by Pahadiya is wrong. My parents suffered as much as yours. I am the first generation in my lineage to go to school, FYI, so keep your elitism accusation with you.

    Let’s talk sense. Hurling invectives to people who are trying to make arguments doesn’t help our communal unity. Even if Terai separates, we both will prosper only if we live in amity. We will need each other eternally, as we will always be neighbors. Don’t manufacture accusations just to whip up population, and garner a few votes, or a few seats in parliament.

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  14. People like Chattra Bahadur who make sweeping assumptions and comments about the ‘other’ people of Nepal (i.e. not the daura suruwal, dhaka topi wearers) are the bane of this country because unfortunately these idiots seem to dominate the power corridors of govt.

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  15. Mr. Bahadur,

    Let me first start by complimenting you on such a fine thought provoking article. I am indeed not sure if I could have done any better, although I believe I consider myself highly intelligent as well. You title, if not pretentious is certainly bold. Yes, I fully agree with you, what the hell is wrong with these madhesis and newaris? really? The newars are one of the richest community in Nepal (not that government helped them become rich but rather because they just happened to be where the action was good) and they are not satisfied? Well, scre*w them! As for Tuladhar and Sthapit, the less we say the better, those losers, how dare they try to remain relevant by espousing communal violence by demanding for an autonomy and to have newari as an official language as well. Really, newari language is useless, and one can reason that it is in fact inferior to Khas Nepali, which happens to be widely practiced by people of Brahmin descent and is therefore “PURE”.

    As for Madhesis, they are dirty and filthy. All they do in Kathmandu is to sell vegetables and if that is not there, they become barbers ( I certainly have my favorite Madhesi barber I frequent to, and having spend countless hours chatting with him during my hair cuts, I firmly believe he is not capable of anything but to be a barber). Can you even imagine this idiot running an autonomous state? Who are we kidding? If any so called educated & realist Madhesi people support JTMM, then it must be because their certificates and degrees were bought straight from Bihar (for all I care they could have build a freaking bathroom with that money, at least they wouldn’t stink as much). How can any sane and educated Madhesi support JTMM? It will surly run contrary to what has been taught to them and us in Mahendra Mala: the late King Prithivi Narayan did all of us a favor by his “eakikaran”. To even think about dissolving that “unity” is a blaspamy of highest order! Like you I just cannot understand what fagg*ots like “Nepal watcher” are talking about.

    I have come to a conclusion that the only reason I cannot understand them is because they are simply stupid. Stupid people demanding stupid things, what do they really think their life is going to actually improve? Who are we (the Pahades) kidding?

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  16. Chhatra Bahadur,

    I regret that I have to address you again (I did not mean to address you in my last posting). I am not against your personal experience. It’s good that you are an intelligent person, and as an intellignet person you deserve “a comfortable life.” Not only you, but also your parents must be intelligent as you report, they afforded you good education even after more than 18 hrs a day daily labor! Nepal’s poor/lazy do not know how do educate people and make them intelligent, probably dumb parents give birth to dumb kids! And as they say, a “vicious cycle” of poverty (and ignorance) keep on going. It’s not bad either, or else to whom to offer “scholarship?” I have already made clear why you are a racist, classist, elitist and much more (probably as a Pahade Hindu hight caste male with a university degree, all this is “natural”). Will you reread every thing?

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  17. Whoa! Hold your horses there, The Nepal Watcher, the guy – who you seem to have identified as a ‘he’ – since from your PERSONAL experience you have somehow figured out ALL ‘expert commenter’ on blogs to be male and/or of Pahadi descent, I wonder what other inanely simple judging criteria you have for people who deviate form your ‘blame all the shit on Pahades’ for ALL the ills of Nepal.

    Heck, it is not difficult to figure out YOUR kind either, Mister! For the sake of this post, let me label you an ignorant Madhese from the south, just for the heck of it, just like how conveniently you label Chattar Bahadur as a racist Pahade male without any substantive argument against his post.

    Now that I have labeled you a lazy, ignorant, slow-witted Madhese – or any other Janjati for that matter (all borrowed phrases from you own earlier post by the way), let me proceed and demonstrate how you are in fact, well, an ignorant and slow-witted moron, and all the nouns that can possibly justify such reckless blog behavior.

    All that your post boils down to is your damn grievance against Pahadis. Idiot! Have you taken a time to reflect a bit on Maoist movement, the movement that has enabled YOUR KIND to even entertain the sick and self-created myth of autonomy based on ethnicity, in a place like Nepal which is hardly a sliver of India and question WHY there are more Pahadis in action that fought the system for the last 13 years and brought the issues into the mainstream, while the Madheses conveniently sat back and let Pahadi Maoists front to fight for their cause? No, the Madheses are too smart to waste their lives fighting for something substantial to even uplift their community, forget the ‘notion’ of nation – that is too much – too arcane and too abstract for them to handle.

    Now that the fighting is over, damn, cunning Madheses come out from the woodwork – turn around – claiming that it’s been their struggle all along. Bull shit! How many damn Madheses died for their cause? Maoists took on their cause; Maoists – mostly Pahadis male fought for their cause; Maoist Pahadi males led them into the interim parliament.

    Give it a rest with the blame game for your deficiency that springs up from many years of colonial subjugation – oh no, not by the Pahadis, but from the British that imprinted on the psyche of ‘oppressed’ that you are inherently inferior. Pahadis broke out of that mentality long before; I suggest ‘others’ do the same and make themselves relevant.

    Further, from the earlier post, the likes of you, Mr. The Nepal Watcher, come along and justify secession for YOUR personal benefit, for the benefit that such would catapult you into the limelight of wherever you wish to see yourself. It is indeed the most individualistic and opportunist theme that I have yet encountered in this blog which the New Nepal can do without.

    I beg to differ, sir, but it is not Chattar Bahadur who sounds more like politicians of modern day. It is YOU – with you individualistic opportunist claim that carries a nasty stench of Bihari realpolitik oozing out of you post that accurately fit the description.

    Now, if you’d want to get into a REAL discussion without reducing any or every thought that argues against ethnic autonomy and secession as Pahadi male conspiracy, I suggest you start making some sense else we will have to keep on flooding this blog with the same language that you would like to communicate in.

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  18. Damn it Freeyoursense, you certainly know how to hit the bulls eye blindfolded! Being a Pahade bahun, I am sick and tired of hearing this Madhesis, Janjatis, Dalits blaming us for their incompetence. I mean how low can these imbecile pigs stoop? Yes, I am a Pahade bahun and I am proud to say it! Anyone got any problems? If it wasn’t for us doing the civil work, the political work and even the pujas, Nepal as a nation wouldn’t be where it is now. After all our contributions they blame us for being corrupt, communal, a bigot and heck even brahmin chauvinists! As you have rightly pointed out, even the Maoist revolution is led by our bahun brother and to top it all, they blame us for exploiting the social issues for our selfish need by using Madhesis, Janjatis and Dalits as the PLA fighters.

    Sometimes I wonder where these people would be if it wasn’t for highly gifted, intelligent and resourceful bahuns like us. Lets face it, if it was not for us leading the past THREE andolans, the incompetent non-bahun King would still be here. Just look at all we have accomplished after 1990. The nation has never been so vibrant and peaceful and the country actually improved in its poverty ranking. Now it is not so hard to find it from the bottom unlike before. Nepal can boast of the most successful communist revolution of 21st century, all thanks to us. We only had 14,000 people killed, of course most of those people were incompetent Madhesis, Janjatis and Dalits. I cannot even imagine how large the death tolls would have been if it weren’t for our bahun brothers who as we all expected were smart enough to know when to dodge the bullet by ducking their head or pretending to be dead at the right moment.

    For a true democracy to function, the country needs competent leaders like us. We need to tell and teach these buffoons exactly when to piss and take a sh*it! We need to tell them that liberty is best practiced by obeying rules and laws set as per our vision ONLY. Surely, these people just do not know what they want and need and if “everyone” starts listening to their lunatic demands (since when did promoting Janjati culture and language help in development of Nepal, they all need to learn Nepali period!), this country is going to fall into a shi*t hole. Are all my pahade bahun brothers and sisters with me so far? When is enough ENOUGH?

    All of this BS people fart here in this blog is simply IRONIC! 😉

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  19. >>All of this BS people fart here in this blog is simply IRONIC!

    Ditto!

    Indeed, the only point worth discussing from your self-hating ‘sarcastic’ post where you take the liberty of speaking for ALL Pahade males – let them be bahuns for the sake of this post, which actually fails to make a point, and like the saying goes for Madheses – ‘kura garda gardai dhoti phuskeko’, I suggest you tie your dhoti first and then speak as we all see you are pretty bad at multitasking. Your overzealous attempt to paint a Pahade mentality gets washed away by your watered down and mediocre ‘sarcasm’- ironic for a lad who intends to prove his point by contradiction.

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  20. I didn’t want to give any value to Ironic from the start, because his writing is so mediocre, and so platitudinous that it doesn’t really merit any attention.

    If you are really looking for enemies, then you can always make some kind of arguments that all pahades are your enemies, worth killing if they live in Terai. Similarly, all states are worth dissolving if there is any trace of social discrimination. Why, there should be a state for all castes, all colors, all languages, and people should live like tribals of thousands of years ago, ready to pounce on any alien tribal member who misses his way and chances upon another group.

    But there in also lies the folly of this Terai movement: you can’t singlehandedly dismantle the progress of the human civilization: that is the creation of the government. In the last thousands years, our civilization has moved forward, and that you can’t really make the argument that each tribes deserve a country.

    It is easy to be angry, but it is hard to fix the problems. Dissolution of states, division of socieities, and killing of opponents: these are the most basic means to settle our differences. Now, when we have differences, we employ civilized methods to fix those problems. What is the difference between you guys and animals if your sole method of rebelling is to kill those who don’t look like you?

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  21. Freeyoursenses, ah-ha the tale of the so called “dhoti”. As I very well recall, dhotis are worn by bahuns as a form of purity, specially during a puja or a meal. Why, don’t you wear them anymore? or have you forgotten how to put them on? Try it once and take a good look at yourself in front of the mirror, perhaps then you will get the point.

    Chatra bahadhur, what can I say? I already gave you the due credit in my first posting: my intelligence simply does not match up to yours. Yet, you have given me an honorable mention and I sincerely thank you for that.

    I am not advocating killing of Madesis, Janjatis and Dalits. That would not make me any better than George W. Bush, would it? All I am saying is that they are not educated, and therefore they do not know their rights. We need to teach them what their rights ought to be. People, we have a potential of a big communal war in a near future if we the progressive people do not teach these stone age foul smelling uneducated pigs how to think like all of us. Hell, I am even willing to label these three communities as axis of evil for not wearing a dhoti. Got the point now? Of course not! Two of you have the caliber to put your own community to shame.

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  22. Look what’s going on in Nepal. After the Jwala and Goit, another group emerging. Saale haru lai Bihari haru ko nokar hunupareko chha. These are the India sponsored traitors who are hell bent on dividing this country though some like Chhatra Bahadur might think secession is a myth. What do you have to say on this?

    Strike cripples life in Terai

    Kantipur Report

    KATHMANDU, Jan 16 – The Terai strike called by the Madheshi People’s Rights Forum (MPRF) to protest the interim constitution promulgated yesterday crippled life across the region on Tuesday. The forum has been asserting that the interim constitution is flawed and does not address the issues of Terai people including their demand for a separate federal democratic.

    Meanwhile, Biratnagar and Morang areas remained tense today following the vandalism of some parked vehicles by forum members that sparked a clash between MPRF and transport workers yesterday.

    Over 6 people were injured in the incident that has left tensions high between the forum members and transport workers today as well.

    According to sources, thoroughfares in Biratnagar saw a substantial police presence to thwart any unpleasant activities.

    Likewise, in Birgunj, activists of the forum vandalised a statute of the late King Mahendra inside the city hall.

    Earlier last night, forum activists held torch rallies including in Siraha, Bara, Biratnagar and Birgunj.

    Similarly, Sunsari, Morang, Siraha, Dhanusha, Saptari, Mahottari, Bara, Parsa and Rautahat districts in the eastern Terai and Banke in the west were highly affected by the strike. Most roads and shops have been closed down while traffic has ground to a halt in the Mahendra Highway.

    Other Major towns like Janakpur, Itahari and Nepalgunj too remained shut down.

    Demanding the mixed electoral system based on the 205 electoral constituencies be scrapped, the forum had announced the strike proposing the Constituent Assembly elections be held through a proportionate electoral system to represent the marginalized groups including Madheshis, Janajatis, Women, Dalits and other minority groups.

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  23. “If somehow present Terai is merged with India, the situation of Teraibasis won’t improve either. Biharis are treated pretty badly in places like Bombays or New Delhi”

    –This is the only point worth discussing in this smug piece. Think about it–will the situation of Teraibasis will be any WORSE in New Delhi if they BECOME “Indians” than what it is in Kathmandu or any other town of Nepal where they ARE “Indians” for all practical purposes? Will they be BETTER OFF as “Indians” in Biratnagar or WORSE if the town became a part of Bihar? Unless this crucial question is faced squarely, the process of correction in Kathmandu can’t even begin.

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  24. Umm…ok, but what’s your point?! ‘Dhoti’ as a garment is worn by many – but that doesn’t preclude idiocy that results in splitting the hell out of whatever cesspool of ethnic hatred that is left of Nepal. Absolutely, count me in as a ‘dhoti lagaune bahun’, certainly, but let me remind you dear, I tie my dhoti with strict set of logical arguments which will only strangle your oversimplified and rhetorical shout fest that you so unabashedly conduct here.

    Listen, says you:

    >>I am not advocating killing of Madesis, Janjatis and Dalits. That would not make me any better than George W. Bush, would it? All I am saying is that they are not educated, and therefore they do not know their rights….

    Condescending-hyper-progressive-on steroids, is the name I bestow on you! If you think that none here are ‘educated enough’ to counter your lame sarcasm, know that your reign of illogical shout fest will always be contended by people who can think straight; people who do not get swayed by teenage fads and overzealous political hype. What makes you so damn educated to provide justification for independent terai – or other regions, heck, autonomous regions where the rule of reigning ethnic mob gets a blank check to practice its autocracy over rest of the minority populations – be it Madheses, Janjatis, Dalits or rest of the ‘oppressed’ groups?

    Damn boy, reading through some of your acerbic posts I get the sense that you think too highly of yourself. Where the hell were you educated – Maoist re-education camp? Do YOU think they – whoever it is that you are a mouthpiece for – are somehow inherently below your standard intelligence that you feel you should take the liberty of ‘teaching’ them? Don’t you think the grievances – whether towards social set-up of our nation or economic limitations of our society has always been there – that all they needed was a venue to express such, which, as of recent with representatives from various groups in the parliament, makes your kind who have their own agenda, redundant already?

    The realization that came out – of marginalization, especially within so called minorities in Nepal, is a valid one. No one contradicts that. The communities have been left behind, they have been devoid of opportunities to better their own life, their communities’, and if some sense ever gets to these socio-economically preoccupied bunch – their nation as well. If Nepal as a nation is to move forward, these ‘socio-economically’ backward groups need to be uplifted, which will bring the ‘average’ of Nepali economic condition to a much better level that what is at present.

    However, NONE of what I have pointed out above calls for splitting whatever we have left of a nation. But that is only valid if you are able to garner some independent thinking and – like I said above – not get carried away by overzealous textbook theories of decentralization and autonomy.

    Listen, let me tell you, grow in wisdom as your New Nepal is being born – for better or worse, and it would do better if your half-ass-educated kind provided any logical and sensible reasons for splitting the country apart, other than your self-important need to experiment your sociopolitical theory while holding the nation as a guinea pig.

    Anything, quote anything that remotely justifies the terai secession for the majority of Nepalis. You may be surprised, I might just agree with you and leave you alone. Else, expect merciless pounding!

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  25. Kathmandu BELONGS TO NEWARS…if Madhesis can claim lands….then so can newars…all of you other ethnic groups stole the land from us…we should start a curfew and violence too…and soon the brahmins, chhetriyas everyone will as well…hahaha..u friggin stupid madhesi party and leaders…what the hell do u think u’re doing…finally the violence has ceased and again here comes another retard.

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  26. Of course, tomorrow within Madhes, Tharus will fight for their own country because Maithili Jha Brahmins never thought Tharus as equal. How about the Paswans who suffered under the grinds of Mishra Brahmin? How about the Satar of Jhapa who has nothing in common with Yadav? If all solutions are sought by dissolution of state, where will this lead us to?

    Bewakoofi ko had. Anyway, if a Madhesi thinks that by killing people, he will get attention, what he shouldn’t forget is that this might set off a chain reaction of violence, something akin to Iraq. Once you stir up violence in a pristine country, without any exit strategy, it won’t be easy to restrain it. Nepal now has democratic polity, and Madheshi should continously push for their rights via peaceful and constitutional mean. Asking for a country that never was there is never a solution. Madhesh country ? When was it there? Which part of history it is? When the hell was Buddha and Sita from the same country except when Nepal was formed?

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  27. Shaiva wrote:

    “This is the only point worth discussing in this smug piece. Think about it–will the situation of Teraibasis will be any WORSE in New Delhi if they BECOME “Indians” than what it is in Kathmandu or any other town of Nepal where they ARE “Indians” for all practical purposes? Will they be BETTER OFF as “Indians” in Biratnagar or WORSE if the town became a part of Bihar? Unless this crucial question is faced squarely, the process of correction in Kathmandu can’t even begin. ”

    Funny.

    Are you so sure Indians treat our Madhesi brothers better than those who look like Mongloid (i.e. pahade Nepali)?

    The reality might shock you.

    Indians don’t take a Madhesi in Gurkha Army. Well paid jobs as a security officers are more entrusted to those who look like hill people than to Madhesi looking people. (Only when they don’t get Gurkha face do they look for others.) And most important of all, southern and city elitism runs so deep in India (like almost all other countries in the world) that a Bihari really is a second degree citizen there. The reason why Jharkhand wanted free state was also because they didn’t want to call themselves Biharis.

    My two cents.

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  28. pripor to prithvi narayan shah the country was divied into several pieces on the basis of places like bijayapur,sindhuli,chaudandi etc and now the country is going to divide on the basis of castes like limbuban for limbus,madhes for madhesi etc.
    for all these happening one main cause is maoist.prachanda used people on the name of “shanghiya rajya pranali” but now they have entered into “singha durbar” and forget all that oaths that they have made now there bros/sis orgn. is out out of their reach.if the maoiust is very serious on the nationalism then why they are silent in the case of JTMM,LIMBUBAN etc.why they are not talking abt the matters of national borders.?

    what i want to say is none is ready to point our problem either prachanda or 7 party alliance so we have to think abt us and we have to solve our probs. by ourselves.1st we have to make people aware abt nationality and make them able to think abt theirselves then only something can happen otherwise “JUN JOGI AAYE PANI KANAI CHIREKO”.so lets join hands together and come out from your home to make a healthy and happy nation.we can do it.

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  29. “The reason why Jharkhand wanted free state was also because they didn’t want to call themselves Biharis.”
    –That’s as good a reason to be a part of India as any. There, if you don’t like a state, you can carve your own autonomous state–Bhojpuri State, Awadhi State, Brijbhashi state, Maithili state, etc. etc. In the country where they sell their own daughters and mothers for jasta ko chhano, no self-respecting Madhise will ever feel safe.
    my dui-paisa.

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  30. Look at India, then, where people not only sell their own children, but rape and kill their neighborhood children and eat them (if you haven’t noted New Delhi’s latest news, you better note it.)

    See you will gain nothing by disparaging poor Nepali of pahad. Now I am actually reasonably sure that you are not a Nepali. Nepali Madhesis I have met may have a lot of faults, but they never make fun of poor people irrespective of where those poor people are.

    As for a few gunda terrorists killing people in Terai, they will never be successful in getting a free country out of Terai. Even British couldn’t. Even Indira Gandhi couldn’t. How a small time goonda with past record of dacoity and rape crime could?

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  31. Freeyourasses,

    I am glad you have come to a realization that you do wear a “dhoti”, what took you so long? Doesn’t it feel good to come out of the closet? You may have your dhoti tied with strict logical arguments, but what you haven’t noticed is that you actually have it wrapped inside out. Jeez, what was the hurry? or Do you do this on regular basis? Eight paragraphs of gibberish, what a waste of space. You sound like those juvenile fags in Samudaya who crave for attention all the time. What’s the matter the queen bit*ch there didn’t give you enough attention that you need to come here and blow your conch? “Marginalization”, “minorities”, “grievances” and “oppression”? Son, like a true pundit, you seem to throw these buzz words with so much liberty that you even make me look bad. And you want to give me a pounding?

    While I humbly wait for your logical arguments on why the country shouldn’t be split into autonomous regions on ethnic lines given that there is social injustice inherent in our system, I am going to argue that there indeed is no social injustice. In fact “social injustice” is a term completely fabricated by Maoist to further their agenda. Being a pahade bahun, I have personally never experienced it and so I refuse to believe it. If it was prevalent, heck how could I not experience it by now? Everywhere I go I am treated well. I see people who look just like me, talk like me, behave like me and even wear janai like me in all the government offices I set foot on. And who said some people are not allowed to go inside mandirs, and not allowed to drink from the same tap? I have been inside many mandirs, and had water from many places, I don’t recall anyone beating me up? As for political parties, I see we are well represented. In fact Girija babu, Madhav Nepal and Deuba personally selects us to run for elections in underdeveloped regions so that they will have competent non-foul smelling netas like us to look up to. Why do you think bhotes don’t stink like before as Chatra bahadur claims? Apparently our influence has been much more prominent in those regions, that’s why! Thanks to our raja Mahendra, the fourteen “Anchals” are conveniently divided so that we can continue the good will of spreading progress just like the Shahs did. Can you imagine what the consequence would have been had Mahendra divided them into Madhes, Magarat, Newa etc., on ethnic lines? We would have those incompetent and uneducated bastards running each of these state promoting their inferior culture. No, they shouldn’t be allowed to decide how they want to run their life. That cannot be progressive at all. Look at India (Bengalis spitting on Marathis, Tamils flicking a middle finger to Punjabis, as the list of communal tension goes on) , we certainly don’t want Nepal to end up with the same fate after 50 years do we? Now, that my son will be grave “social injustice”.

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  32. There are so many lame things going on in this thread about what should happen in Nepal I simply don’t want to respond to them. But I really feel that I should say something.

    I like to say that I am a pahade Bahun from Western Hills of Nepal. I don’t support the current system. these are the changes that I would like to see:
    a) Give more powers to the local authority. Local authority should be allowed to carry certain functions on their own. These functions includes following: a) Appoint and run all the local administration offices except that of security. They should be allowed to run local administration in their own language in addition to the Nepali. Run office mean that They should accept applications written in the local language and should publish/give notices in Nepali/Local language.
    b)Except for the case of national security and integrity as well as state of emergency Central government should not intervene the local authority. but local authority must be abided by the democratic principles – that is respect for human rights and minority rights of national or regional minority.

    This will certainly need a lot of rephrasing to protect the national integrity and security as well give more autonomy to the local authority. This will certainly solve most of the demands of the communal groups. Including that of the madhises, newars, rai-limbu, as well as mine.

    let me tell you as a Western Bahun in Nepal – some of the problem faced by us because they are mostly taken to be non-existent. I have noticed the discrimination as being a Western bahun – “purbeli ra kumai bahun”. Other discrimination is obviously it is far away from Ktm and most of the facilities are not there. I was one of the 4 people from my villages to have the opportunity to go to college.

    As per hardworking and lazy is concern, I think the proportional amount of opportunity available as well as luck matters a lot. Einstein was not accepted into college. Don’t tell me he was not hardworking. Hardwork is an essential quality but not the only one. Do you guys think that Paras was hardworking that is why he is enjoying his life? Fu*ck no. There are hundreds of other example that a non-hardworking individual have achieved so much of luxury that a genuinely hardworking have not achieved.

    I hope we all get regional semi-autonomy as well as national pride. How think you guys?

    PS:
    Yeah my english sucks. I know it. Please don’t comment on that.

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  33. and of course, you moron shaiva forgot to note that

    1. In India, struggles for self right of people like Kashmere, ULFA and Gorkhalis were crushed.

    2. And even if some of you (I am 100% sure that you are not a Nepali Madheshi, btw) who has rape/murder/extortion charge pending in Bihar and are killing Nepali in Terai these days will find it shocking that leadership in India will never accept dissolution of Nepal. They know that it will set off a host of problems for them.

    3. India has so many problems. You might not want to be part of a country where people sell their children for jastako chhano (which you are not, I am sure), but you want to be part of a country where they kill their daughter to get son, they rape and eat their neighborhood’s children, they mutilate their and neighborhood’s children and send them to street to make beggar.

    I didn’t want to write the last point. Since you started it, I thought I should make you aware of your country’s problems. Now leave Nepal to her own destiny. There was never a country called Madhesh.

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  34. After reading about some people claiming that Madhes should be united with India, I felt shocked, and dismayed. It is one thing to talk about independence, it is entirely another thing to say it should be joined with India.

    I spend sometimes trying to figure out the last time Madhesh was independent and how its independence lost. By Madhesh, here I am going to focus on Mithila, because that’s where Goit and his ilks are active. I am not sure they have any support in the west.

    Before Shahs, of course, Sen ruled Mithila. But when was Mithila free the last time? Well, NanyaDev, a Karnat dynasty king, had established the kingdom of Tirhut in 1907. A vast kingdom it was, with its capital being in Simraungadh.

    Throughout its life, Mithila’s freedom was threatened by rulers of calcutta and Delhi. Mithila always had better relation with the kings of KTM. For example, Jaya Sthiti Malla , credited to have started caste system in KTM, stratified KTM’s society based on the advice of Mithila’s Jha Brahmins.

    Nanyadev’s progeny ruled Tirhut for 229 years, but in 1326, Gayasuddin Tuglak attacked the kingdom. The king, Harisingh Deva, and queen Dewal Devi, fled the kingdom and went to Sindhuli. After two years, Hari Singh Dev died. The queen, who was later robbed by her own courtiers, then went to Bhaktapur, where the king Rudra Malla welcomed her. The queen, Dewal Devi, later became very influential in KTM. Her son, Jagatsingh, married with the daughter of Rudra Malla. The daughter of Jagat Singh, Rajalla Devi, was then married with KTM’s famous ruler, Jayasthiti Malla.

    Vidhyapati, the famous bard of Mithila, had also had enormous influence in KTM. He was in Mithila when a puppet king of Bengal Sultan, Ganesh, was ruling in Mithila, but even he was murdered by a Moslem ( Malik Aslam). Later, the king of Jodhpur, Ibrahim Shah, helped the ousted prince, Shivasingh, to defeat Malik Aslam. But for his help, Shiva Singh had to pay so enormous tax that once Ibrahim arrested Shiva Singh and made a captive in Jodhpur.

    Mithila became so ungoverned, under the grinding oppression of foreign rulers of south, that most of the works of poet Vidhyapati provides description of that.

    This provides some evidence: that there was never a kingdom Madhesh, that Mithila was a friend of Kathmandu, Malla kings were also progeny of Mithila kings of the past, that Mithila suffered a lot from the hands of southern rulers. Hopefully, it clarifies some of the confusion regarding those who are clueless about their own past.

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  35. and, your rants do not deserve response.
    Chatra, you have a good grasp of history. Now please read some sociology. Pahades and Madhises are culturally incompatible. It is not the question of who is better or worse. They are different and their differences will not allow them to live together in peace. Peaceful parting of ways will be better than bitter querrels likely to continue for ever.

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  36. I will ignore your attempt to match my wit with your lethargic comments about faggots and what not. You certainly seem to have quite an obsession with men’s backside. Enjoy!

    Says you:

    >>>While I humbly wait for your logical arguments on why the country shouldn’t be split into autonomous regions on ethnic lines given that there is social injustice inherent in our system, I am going to argue that there indeed is no social injustice. In fact “social injustice” is a term completely fabricated by Maoist to further their agenda. Being a pahade bahun, I have personally never experienced it and so I refuse to believe it. If it was prevalent, heck how could I not experience it by now? Everywhere I go I am treated well. I see people who look just like me, talk like me, behave like me and even wear janai like me in all the government offices I set foot on. And who said some people are not allowed to go inside mandirs, and not allowed to drink from the same tap? I have been inside many mandirs, and had water from many places, I don’t recall anyone beating me up? As for political parties, I see we are well represented. In fact Girija babu, Madhav Nepal and Deuba personally selects us to run for elections in underdeveloped regions so that they will have competent non-foul smelling netas like us to look up to. Why do you think bhotes don’t stink like before as Chatra bahadur claims? Apparently our influence has been much more prominent in those regions, that’s why! Thanks to our raja Mahendra, the fourteen “Anchals” are conveniently divided so that we can continue the good will of spreading progress just like the Shahs did. Can you imagine what the consequence would have been had Mahendra divided them into Madhes, Magarat, Newa etc., on ethnic lines? We would have those incompetent and uneducated bastards running each of these state promoting their inferior culture. No, they shouldn’t be allowed to decide how they want to run their life. That cannot be progressive at all. Look at India (Bengalis spitting on Marathis, Tamils flicking a middle finger to Punjabis, as the list of communal tension goes on) , we certainly don’t want Nepal to end up with the same fate after 50 years do we? Now, that my son will be grave “social injustice”.

    Again, absolute waste of bandwith with your senselsess sarcasm. For once, please talk STARIGHT without coiling in apologetic sarcasm. So are you essentially providing India as an example that Nepal can follow by creating states where ethnic majority gets to make their regional agenda? Is it, see how difficult was that? Hyper-emotional juvenile!

    For the last time I am still waiting for the response from my previous post. Here, for your convenience I put it down once again. Take time and and consult with others and answer sensibly. Else, we will continue punding you and strip your fake attempt to salvage Nepal. Moron!

    “Anything, quote anything that remotely justifies the terai secession for the majority of Nepalis. You may be surprised, I might just agree with you and leave you alone. Else, expect merciless pounding!”

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  37. OOPS OOPS OOPS

    ??? ???????????? ?? ???? ?????? ?????????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ? ? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ?? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ???? intellectual ?????????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ? ???????? ???? ???? ?????? ??????

    ???? ?????? ? ?? – ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ? ?? ???????? ??????? ????? ???????? ???? ???? ???????? ???????? ???? ????? ???? ????????? ??????? ???????? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ? ?? ???? unit ???? – ?????????? ????????? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? municipality ?? application ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???????? formal dress code ?? ? ????? ???? ????

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    ?) Sindhupalchowk, ramechhap, dolakha and some of sindhuli – 1
    3) some of sindhuli, udayapur, saptari, siraha, dhanusha, and part of mahottari into one
    4) some of udayapur, khotang, okhaladhunga, part of bhojpur and part of shankhuwa sabha and solukhumbu -1
    5) Sunsari, dhankuta, morang, jhapa and illam into one
    6) Part of sankhuwa sabha, bhojpur, terhathum, taplejung, panchhathar, part of illam into one
    7) part of mahottari, sarlahi, rautahat and parsa as well as part of makawanpur and sindhuli into one
    8)
    can anybody come up with others
    parties are trying to make an idea of what should be the division of nepal look like. But they always seems to stock when they need to come up with the idea if what exactly going to divide the country. Even the Maoist have faintest idea where should exactly be the boundary between these regions.

    Oh well – hello enthusiast come and name them.

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  38. shaiva,

    I am really not interested to talk to you, despite your praise of my grasp of history. Your suggestion that Terai should be a part of India is just a repugnant. It is one thing to ask for autonomy, or a way to rule Nepal, as every citizen of Nepal should be legitimate contender to be the head of state of the country, but it is entirely another thing to disparage poors of Nepal, and seek the unity with India.

    I am not antiIndian, I am a great fan of India and its cricket team etc. Our border with India is a classic example of mutual respect, trust and amity despite our occasional problems. We respect each other. Our people go to India and learn. India is making progress, and I am very proud of it also. A lot of my friends are toppers of IIT, and they love Nepal too. I don’t know who people like you, who think they should take away a chunk of Nepal and mix it with India , are trying to please. If you have grievance against discrimination, then your best strategy is to try to be your own boss, rather than changing the boss.

    In any case, like I said, There was never a country named Madhesh. There is as much difference between Maithili people of east and Tharus of west, as is between Maithili and Newars. Incidentally, I had to convince my Tharu friends in Chitwan not to tell the Madhesi vendors ‘deshi’, and when some people daydream about making a country out of Terai, that incorporates Tharus/Satar/Dhimal/Maithili/Bhojpuri, all I see is a creation of a country which would look like Nepal of present days; how it would solve the problem is beyond my comprehension. Oh, yes, it will have more than 50% Maithili/Bhojpuri speaking population, as opposed to Nepali speaking population of today, but the problems will be there.

    But, oh, well, what do you care about history, or future? You seem to be pipedreaming anyway.

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  39. Suddenly we find six different groups claiming to be the true representatives of Madhesi – two Sadbhawana, two JTMM, Madhesi Mukti Morcha, Madehsi Janadhikar Forum. Every political party has equal number of Madhesi leaders. All of them vying for supremacy and to which group will Madhesis believe? Hard to tell because it is already fragmented movement. And nothing concrete is like to come out as a result. United janjati, Madhesi and Dalits is good political slogan. Sad but true…

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  40. To All Nepalese

    As we move ahead in the history of Nepal I am very proud of what has happened with regards to the peoples movement. I am also very proud of certain groups of people ie. the so called lower class for their struggle and sacarifice to the movement. I am ashamed of our current king after seeing his absolute lack of any leadership since taking power. I don’t think anyone disagrees that our forefather had a vision for Nepal and that vision has never been releasized. It brought tears to my eyes when I learned that Prithivi Jayanti was no more and his statue was partially distroyed. All relatively intellegent people know that Nepal is in serious need of a Leader. A plane highacker is not a good leader; one can only imagine what his vision must be, infact it is obvious seeing the state that Nepal currently is in. The current King certainly proved his inability and a complete lack of any leadership. And finally the Moaist and there communism idealogy; are we living in the 21 century or the 1st?

    Every dog has it’s day. The Royals had there days and now the Moasist and the sissy 7 parties will have theirs. But in the midst of it all Nepal will move no where and the general public will always have to bear the burden. It’s not just my view but inevitable; trust me; if not just look back 10,15,20 years has anything changed? If there is anyone who is optomistic, point me to a fact to lead me to believe things will be different. Anyone who is reading this might ask me so what do we do? Who do we move forward and truly put Nepal in the global map? Let me tell you one thing: That day will come. The Royal dug themselves into a huge hole with years in power; like wise it is time now for the moaist and the sissy parties to do the same and dig their hole which I must say they are doing a very good job of doing. Any major change requires time and proper planning which is precisely what I have begun doing as I write what is on my mind today. I am ashamed to say this but it’s a necessity and the first and foremost thing that needs to happen is the eradication of all Bahuns from our beloved country! This is 50% of Nepals problem solved. If there is anyone who disagrees with me on this I would encourage you to do something with the current leadership which surprisingly seems to consist of this group of people and really move Nepal in the right direction and to do the right thing for Nepal OR plan your resistance against this inevitable future.

    I live everyday dreaming of Nepal that is developed; prosperous and peaceful. A dream that is not impossible; infact very easy to attain given the patriotic sentiment that we so strongly believe and hold. Please feel free to email me with any views, questions or concerns. Nepali haru; Don’t be fooled by this bogus Peoples Movement/ Andolan. Prepare yourself for a real transformation of Nepal which you all have heard of but never known. If a gang of 100-500 committed people( remember rest of the moaist were forced to join) with Bharuwa Bandook’s can be a force and be able to put themselves in parliament; I don’t think it would be hard for a group of same number of people with automatic weapons to be a force to reckon with right? Right? Right? Right? Maoist’s have proved in front of my eyes that that it is possible.

    Jay Nepal

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  41. Rana Saheb,

    You have asked us to email you, but you did not let us know your email address! But I know you live in Lagankhel in the mental hospital. Please, let us know your email adress once your pagal bimar has improved. Do not spend too much time on the Internet or elso your old disease of walking down the streets naked will reappear.

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  42. Very bored with racist culture. Anyone watched BBC it was England it was CNN it is everywhere.
    Deeprooted racism is going to be have to be erased BY CHANGE YOUR MIND.
    I SEE MAN MIXED CHILDREN HERE BLACK AND WHITE OR TOTALLY BLACK AND DISCRIMINATED BY CHINESE PEOPLE FROM THEIR OWN ORIGINAL COUNTRY………..HEY IT IS A BIG WORLD OUT THERE YOU NEPALLOVERS, WE HAVE RACISM ON EVERY CORNER OF EVERY BRAIN DO NOT JUDGE ILLUSIONS RACISM IS NOT EVEN IN WHITE OR BLACK DO NOT THINK YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AS WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT WHAT IT IS
    HAVE TO STUDY TO UNDERSTAND REALITY
    PROUD OF NATIONALISTIC NEPAL FOR HAVE A PEACE??@!

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