Bringing Nepal Army Under People: American Perspective

Mike Bailey address the video conference
Mike Bailey, a retired US army colonel addresses a video conference from Washington DC organized by the American Center in Kathmandu. Pic by Sudhir Mahat via US Embassy.

By Dinesh Wagle

After the historic May 18 Parliamentary Declaration, the process of brining the military under the civilian control has started (though shockingly very slowly). The declaration stripped king off the post of Supreme Commander of the Royal Nepal Army and changed the name of the organization to Nepal Army. Plain and simple. But apart from the cosmetic one, there has no any substantial change taken place in the Nepal Army since the declaration. At least we don’t know what’s going on in that front. We are seeing Pyar Jung Thapa, the Chief of the Army Staff, hanging around in the Kathmandu International Airport and we just saw the chief of the Bhairabnath Battalian Rajendra Jung Kharti telling the court in writing that the battalion had never arrested nor detained Chetnath Dhungana. (Read what United Nations OHCHR had to say about the Battalion in their investigation report made public last month: Part 1 and Part 2). People believe that without firing a few dozen generals who are loyal to the tyrannical force in the country, the process of reforming the army will not get momentum.

“The process of brining the army into civilian control is going to be long and complex,” thinks a retired United States Army colonel who addressed a group of journalists, professors, former army officers in Kathmandu from Washington D.C. via a video conference yesterday. The program was organized by the Public Affairs section of the U.S. Embassy in Kathmandu. I wasn’t invited but attended the program after my newspaper (Kantipur daily) assigned me to cover the event. I went to the American Center along with Gunaraj Luintel, the news editor. The embassy has been organizing such video conferences frequently and except the technical glitches that seem to be the inseparable part of the program, the discussions are often fruitful and newsworthy. (Here is the news that appeared on the front page of the daily about the event)

Mike Bailey, associated with a security firm RONCO, suggested that the Nepal Army should make its activities and policies transparent and make the court martial proceedings accessible to the public and the press. “The more transparent the process becomes the more respect the army will gain from the public,” he said.

I could easily guess that he wasn’t much familiar with the situation of Nepal from the way he talked but a few points he made about the merging of the two armies (establishment side’s and the rebel army) was useful in Nepali context. (It would have been even better had the embassy found a person-retired- from the US military who had been to Nepal, worked with the Army here and closely observed the Maoist insurgency.)

We are also talking about the merging of peoples’ army [Maoist army) and the Nepal Army to from a new inclusive National Army. I was eager to know what Mike would think about this. “That is a long and complex process and should be handled carefully,” he said. “But we have seen that such successful execution of such mergers in many conflict affected countries around the world.”

A skeptical person, a royalist perhaps, wanted to know if it was really possible to form an independent and neutral national army by merging the Maoist army that has certain political agenda and mission with the Nepal Army. Mike spoke what the man probably didn’t want to hear. “Such a new army would be even more inclusive and representative,” the retired colonel said. “Because Maoists represent certain section of Nepali society.”

Mike also emphasized that the process of merger should be transparent and every details of the proceeding should be accessible to the public which might help address the question of peoples’ confidence over the process.

CIVILIAN CONTROL of the MILITARY
by Richard H. Kohn

I would like to share parts of an article that, I think, Mike read out in the beginning of the discussion. He didn’t cite the source of the article but I could follow the lines and paragraphs from the original article that I had coincidently carried with me in American Center, the venue of the program, as he started making opening statement. The article by Professor Richard H. Kohn talks about the issues that countries like Nepal are facing currently.

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I N T H E O R Y A N D C O N C E P T, civilian control is simple. Every decision of government, in peace and in war — all choices about national security — are made or approved by officials outside the professional armed forces: in democracies, by civilian officials elected by the people or appointed by those who are elected. In principle, civilian control is absolute and all- encompassing. In principle, no decision or responsibility falls to the military unless expressly or implicitly delegated to it by civilian leaders. All matters great and small, from the resolve to go to war to the potential punishment prescribed for a hapless sentry who falls asleep on duty, emanate from civilian authority or are decided by civilians. Even the decisions of command–the selection of strategy, of what operations to mount and when, and what tactics to employ, the internal management of the military in peace and in war–derive from civilian authority, falling to uniformed people only for convenience or out of tradition, or for the greater efficiency and effectiveness of the armed forces.

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Civilian control has special significance today more than ever. Throughout the formerly communist world, societies are struggling to build the institutions for democratic governance. NATO has made civilian control a prerequisite for joining the Alliance. In encouraging democratization, the United States and other western powers use civilian control of the military as one measure of progress toward democratic process.

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Control by civilians presents two challenges today:

• For mature democracies, where civilian control has been strong and military establishments have focused on external defense, the test is whether civilians can exercise supremacy in military policy and decision-making. When the military enjoys great prestige, possesses advanced bureaucratic skills, believes that its ability to fulfill its mission may be at risk, or comes to doubt the civilian leadership, civilians can face great obstacles in exercising their authority.

• For the new or newly-emerging democracies without much experience in combining popular government and civilian control, the challenge is more difficult: to assure that the military will not attempt a coup, or defy civilian authority. In many former autocracies, the military has concentrated on internal order, or been deeply involved in political life, sometimes preying on the society rather than protecting it. Then the chief requirement is to establish a tradition of civilian control, to develop an ironclad system of political neutrality within the military establishment, and to prevent or forestall on a permanent basis any possibility of a coup or military intervention in political life.

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F O R D E M O C R A C Y, civilian control — that is, control of the military by civilian officials elected by the people — is fundamental. Civilian control allows a nation to base its values and purposes, its institutions and practices, on the popular will rather than on the choices of military leaders, whose outlook by definition focuses on the need for internal order and external security.

The military is among the least democratic institutions in human experience; martial customs and procedures clash by nature with individual freedom and civil liberty, the highest values in democratic societies.

• The military is authoritarian, while democratic society is consensual or participatory.

• One is hierarchical, the other essentially egalitarian.

• One insists on discipline and obedience, subordinating personal needs and desires to the group and to a mission or goal. The other is individualistic, attempting to achieve the greatest good for the largest number by encouraging the pursuit of individual needs and desires in the marketplace and in personal lives, each person relying upon their own talents and ingenuity.

• One emphasizes order, conformity, harmony, and homogeneity; the other tolerates, even celebrates, disagreement and diversity of perspective.
Because their most fundamental purpose is to wage armed conflict, military institutions are designed for violence and coercion, and over the centuries have developed the organizational structure, operating procedures, and individual values needed to succeed in war. Authority in the military emphasizes hierarchy so that individuals and units act according to the plans and decisions of commanders, and can succeed under the very worst of mental and physical circumstances.

Here is the original article.

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51 thoughts on “Bringing Nepal Army Under People: American Perspective

  1. Don’t spare anybody else of the Army if they are guilty of HR violations. But if some Minster have some relatives,not only they save them but also give promotion like Basu Oli of AFP. So in Nepal people have only frustration. For example, this Rayamajhi thinks himself a Bramhagyani of law but he could not even apply proper law to arrest and punish the five ministers. Where is Tulsi Giri ? May be enjoying wine and women – a relative of Rayamajhi ?

    Where are Bharat Keshar, Satchit, Sharad Chandra, Niranjan Thapa, Giri etc. What Rayamajhi could do with them. So I tell you Rayamajhi is less capable than Mullick . You know the fate of Mullick’s report. Do not expect any thing.

    What about Pyar Jung ? DPM Oli is going to Geneva with Pandey’s caravan. What is this yaar ?

  2. Wagle Jee!
    aaba ta India le khayeko Nepali jameen ko bare ma lekhne haina bhanya?
    Photo sahit chaiyo!
    I want to see how people are displaced and what they say?
    Do it please you have the resources for the sake of Mother Nepal.

  3. Quoting from Mr. Kohn above –

    ‘In many former autocracies, the military has concentrated on internal order, or been deeply involved in political life, sometimes preying on the society rather than protecting it. Then the chief requirement is to establish a tradition of civilian control, to develop an ironclad system of political neutrality within the military establishment, and to prevent or forestall on a permanent basis any possibility of a coup or military intervention in political life.

    ………………
    F O R D E M O C R A C Y, civilian control — that is, control of the military by civilian officials elected by the people — is fundamental. Civilian control allows a nation to base its values and purposes, its institutions and practices, on the popular will rather than on the choices of military leaders, whose outlook by definition focuses on the need for internal order and external security.’

    The above is what needs to happen with the (R)NA. Could not have said it better. I hope our parliamentarians realise this.

  4. Dinesh ji,

    Its UNOHCHR or OHCHR and NOT UNHCR- UNHCR stands for the high commission on refugees- I beg the Nepalese media to be more careful about properly spelling and pronouncing foreign names and acronyms.

    DW: Thank you very much. The mistake has been corrected. I will try my best not to repeat such mistake again.

  5. We can think about a lot of reforms in the Army but it all depends on the political will of the leaders.Only problem in our country is that “You can not say to others not to smoke, when you yourself smoke in front of other people everyday”. That means if the political party leaders are involved in corruption themselves, they do not have any moral authority to reform others.

    If my memory is correct, RNA did not move for the Holeri because the Army said that Army does not move on the orders of the corrupt politicains. They further said that it was not the personal army of the corrupt leaders.The situation was that at that time no leaders had any moral authority to rule the country.

    Now the civil society and the people should pressurize the leaders to declare their property and also the accounts of all the political parties in public every year. The government must form one authority which can check the accounts of the political parties any time. Otherwise, our democracy will have the same fate as that of 1990. God save Nepal from vulture culture of the politicains.

  6. All sorts of declaration were made by the Parliament but they have not spoken a word about corruption. They must pass one resolution regarding anti-corruption.

    I fully agree with Layman on this issue. There cannot be the promotion of democracy in the full atmosphere of corruption. Democracy in developing country is always marred by corruption.For example, you just look at the democracy of some countries in Africa.

  7. Yes I fully agree with Layman and Limbu bros,

    – When r we going to implement Mallik Report.

    – Declare past & present properties and bank
    balances of all the past & present MP’s,
    Ministers,prime ministers, high profile
    top notch government, semi-government and
    public figures and specially from security
    apparatuses.

    – Gyanendra’s personnel together with
    Birendra’s properties, offshore and national
    bank balances, businesseses

    – Records of past and present accounts of all
    Trusts and institutions headed by all
    Royalties and their families and acquintances.

    – Proper investigations and punishments on all corruptions in which all past and present people from all the walks/political parties were involved including Mr. GP Koirala and his families i.e. Lauda, Dhamija, improper agreements on Water Resources with India etc.

    – Arrest and proper justice to people like Giri, Bharat KSingh, Sachtchit, PG Thapa and many such Maffias and mandales and their cronies, families etc.

    – Did any body thing how Deuba and like manged to build Mahals like in Budhanilkantha and misuse of PM’s fund in Dashain?????

    _ SAME APPLIES TO TOP NOTCH MAOISTS TOO FOR THEIR ALL ATROCITIES AND INHUMEN MISDEEDS…

    Lists goes on further……………people plz do not hesitate to add on

    Peace to United Democratic Republic Nepal and Nepalis

  8. The list of actions On the Nepalese army published by UWBDN by Shobhakar Budhathokion was the best I have seen.

    The current lack of action on the Nepalese Army is very disturbing.

  9. it is quite easy to be a specialist and give some advice whether thru video conference or other media…..the reality is that in the reality context of nepal can it be implemented successfully……only time can tell …nobody else…….

  10. “The current lack of action on the Nepalese Army is very disturbing.”

    Why should they put their life on the line for people who don’t support them?

  11. The question on how to bring the Nepal Army under civiliam control is a very important aspect of the present ongoing changes in Nepal. But before we go into the nitty gritties of the process I would like to give a short background.

    During the unification period, King Prithivinarayan Saha created the Army with the help of his nobles and gave them the responsibility of all command and control functions but retained operational decision making powers. All operational decisions were made with the full participation of the nobles. The Army was maintained by land revenues which the nobles themselves collected.
    So the control of the Army was with the King, but through the nobles.

    During the Rana period, the Army was placed directly under the Ranas and some of the noble families who were considered close and loyal to them. They also ensured that all Ranas were given a military rank so as to maintain a close watch and control on the Army. This ensured that the Army was de-linked from the King and was effectively under the Rana Prime Ministers.

    After the 1950 Revolution, the Army was purged of some Ranas and personalities considered loyal to the democtaric parties, were placed in command. The Ministry of Defence was also established and an attempt was made to bring the military under civilian control. This arrangement fell apart when King Mahendra dismissed the elected government of B.P. Koirala and the Army reverted back to the King’s control.

    I will now attempt to innumerate some key principles and processes in this regard.

    1. All policy decisions must be made by the elected Government. Civilian control means the elected representatives not the government officials.

    2. How those policy decisions are to be executed must be left to the military, but after approval by the government.

    3. All key promotions and postings must be made by the Government on the advise of the Army Commander.

    4. Murder, rape, and any Human Rights violations must be investigated and decided by the civilian judicial system.

    5. There must be a court of appeal composed of senior army officers to hear any appeals on the decision of the military court.

    6. The oath of alligence must be to the Constitution.

    These are just some of the things which come to my mind at the moment.

  12. Defence ministry has been working as a rubber stamp of the Army.We must have some experts on defence matters there. Otherwise, it would remain the same. The Minstry must be able to lead the Army on defence policy matters.

  13. Limbu:

    Yes, I agree. To ensure that the Ministry of Defence becomes more effective, the structure and composition of the Ministry must be changed. Instead of having only civilian government officials, we need to have military officers also. So it would be a ministry where there are civilians as well as military officials who would provide the necessary staff and advisory functions to the Minister of Defence.

  14. In whole of Nepal, regarding corruption, it is only the question who is more corrupt than whom. King is corrupt,leaders of almost all political parties are corrupt, bureaucrats are corrupt, Army , APF, Police all are corrupt. Basically on the top layer.

    In the Army, the corruption level is uncontrollable. From the marriage of the daughter of PJT also you can imagine the magnitude.

    I heard that corruption was in its climax at the time of Prazwol.

    A high level commission should be establish to punish the corrupt army Generals and other officers. Actually they were looting the poor citizen’s money with the threat of guns.There should be also check on the activities of weapon mafia.

  15. You are right. There is a saying, “When the fish stinks, it stinks from the head”. Trouble in Nepal, as elsewhere, is that we have multi-headed hydras.

  16. Who is going to take action against the Army and the Armed Police Force?

    After all, the SPA would need them, in any ways, to administer Nepal and fight Maoists (if the peace-process) derails).

    The Maoists are showing strength everywhere with their militia. To counter that, the government needs both the Army and APF. Just by declaring the Parliament supreme and the Army responsible to the Parliament, the work culture does not change overnight. And if the SPA takes action against the Army leadership now, the Army may feel vindicated without any reason. In such situation, if peace-process derails, who will face the Maoists? It will not definitely be the top brass of SPA with guns or anyone else.

  17. Yes Army should be under peoples control. But expecting too much with these demoralised security forces maybe useless. If something goes wrong with maoist and SPA (recent parliament), I don’t think these security forces make guts to counter attack maoist with full swing. Our army is almost loser due to the international pressure and maoist strategies and their own wrong doings. So expecting too much to safeguard from maoist or others maybe day-dream for the SPA. They are already aware with the punishment as they are now going to face. So how can they counter the maoist if peace settlement is not successful. And how can they trust the SPA (recent parliament) who are upset by not taking action to the maoist in the past, and now taking revenge to them for taking action to the maoist. I think maoist already won the battle mentally, physically and strategically, no support can be expected from them in future. Their moral from 237 years is already gone within 19 days of andolan….bitter truth….

  18. Wagle,

    I quote you “A skeptical person, a royalist perhaps, wanted to know if it was really possible to form an independent and neutral national army by merging the Maoist army that has certain political agenda and mission with the Nepal Army”.

    How the hell do you conclude that this person is perhaps a royalist? I think his vioews are valid. We have seen army personell in the lower ranks clearly stating that they will follow the parliament happily but following oreders from maoists is more difficult leave alone bedding together in the same barracks.
    I can’t understand how you people look at this in a very detached way. The Colonel is right to say it is a very long and complex process. This could be a very diplomatic way of saying it could be imposswsible to do as well.

  19. Maoists are not interested in multiparty democracy. Their only obstacle now is the likes of India. Once they gain India’s confidence by selling off some water and hydro projects to them and ensuring them that they will not trouble India, even India will look the other way. Why are we wasting time thinking the maoists are interested in democracy and multi party. Too many hopeful people. Accept the facts now and you will avoid dissappointment later.
    Tonight Prachanda has an interview on Kantipur, which he praised thoroughly. You can see that Kantipur will now also suppoirt maoists. Prachanda is clever, but buttering up the likes of Kantipur publicly on his interview he hopes and will probably succeed in winning their confidence and turning a blind eye to their atrocities. The opposite of what the King did. Prachanda is a shrewd little cat.

  20. Shaman,
    SPA need them but we should not give them the right of impunity. They must be punished phasewise come what may. Otherwise we cannot introduce reforms in there.

  21. Just a few comments regarding the merging of the Maoist armed wing and the Nepal Army:

    1. If the Maoist Party is sincere in peaceful politics, and if they really desire to take part in pluralistic democratic politics, then this merger is doable. But if their intention is to retain their edge on politics by using the merged army as their power wing, then it is impossible.

    2. If the Nepal Army understands what war is and how it has affected the thousands of families in the rural areas with the pain, sufferings, and hardships, it will also make a sincere effort in accepting the merger proposal. If it instead decides to only fight for the turf, then the whole process will quickly disintegrate.

  22. Dear TT
    I also found that line interesting in the article above. How easy it is for so-called half-journalists who can’t remain impartial while reporting national events to call someone a royalists just because he was skeptical.
    It is indeed a long and difficult process but i am of the opinion that Maoists Must Unite With the Nepal Army.
    So they are work on nation building together. They may ideoligically be a Maoist but first citizens of the country.
    Still i beleive that without india’s consent this may not happen.

  23. That will be great achivement if this parliament able merge both NA and PLA and later put them into adminstrative work of government leaving about 30,000 in numbers. Otherwise maoist always will be in upper hand to control politics by the support of their forces.

  24. some generals are saying, if corrupts, unprofessional generals are punished, the moral of the army will decrease.

    and our dumb so called leaders are convenced with that.
    please somebody tell them, the moral, belief of the professional, patriot army will rise if guilty are being punished.————-

    if they are not punished, they try to coup again and again.

  25. “Their morale from 237 years is already gone within 19 days of andolan….bitter truth….”

    Yes, their greatest defeat has been at the hands of the very people they try to defend. They are demoralized because their own people do not support them.

  26. Lofty talks, sermons from Video feed and haste to make a disciplined force under civilian rag tag assembly. C’mon, lets not jump the gun yet. Nothing is settled- lets not act as developed democracy or in same par, physically or sociologically. I hate to hear people speak as if they are living in a 7th Ave of certain surbia in US, not the case.

    Just wait- all that came will go in vain for the chaps who are falsely assuming that they speak for the people are the REAL traitors.

    Hear me hard and hear me good.

  27. i wish things and actions to be just and fair…also one sided view or supporting the group that looks strongest and safer to be with is only opportunism…..

  28. The dumb leaders have been in cahoots with the corrupt generals for so long during their raj in the past fifteen years. What makes people think they can catch them without these so called dumb leaders getting caught themselves? They are partners in crime. I get so bloody annoyed at people who all of a sudden think these SPA leaders and the maoist leadership as well are holier than thou all of a sudden. We Nepali people arte so damned dumb and forget and forgive too easily. What happened to the decade or so of corruption, killings etc.? One dip in the river and it is washed away?????

  29. Iraq offers a useful example of the cost of not including all parties in the national army from the start.

  30. We have today an excellent opportunity to terminate the killings, bloodshed, and deep scars of the past twelve years. All parties to this conflict must approach it with a very open and sincere mind set. Compromise will have to be made by all sides to ensure that permanent peace is re-eastablished. I know that this is easier said than done but this is the basic starting point. It will not be helpful to have different personalities speaking in different wave-lengths. The NC, UML, and the other five parties must decide on what their bottom line is before they sit down at the negotiating table with the Maoists. We all presume that this has already been concluded, but the recent statements coming out of several leaders of the SPA suggests otherwise.

    Placing the Army under political control is also an important aspect of this process. I hope that the government has worked out a plan to achieve this objective. This plan must ensure that never again should any one single person or entity be in a position to misuse this national instrument of power.

  31. What I don’t understand is why all the journalist so f–ckingly interested in what foreigners have to say about Nepal??? while ignoring the intellectual wealth deeply embedded in the indigenous culture. As long as American’s did not come to ask Nepalese how they should live, or what kind of political, military, or civic lives should americans live, why should Nepal ask others of the same. Same thing with India or other countries. They never asked Nepal or Nepalese in the making of their countries, so why these journalists are asking foreigners in the making of our countries. What a pittiful and irresponsible journalism?? Why don’t you guys ask the Sherpas, Tamangs, Newars, Rais, Limbus, Thakalis, Gurungs, Magars, Tharus and many others want Nepal to be like? Aren’t they the people who would live in the land, and shouldn’t they be the in charge of their military and civic life. Crazy journalism, too much emphasis in foeriegn crap, but not even little in what a genuine Nepali has to say about their life, view or dream for the counrty . I am sick of it, personally.

  32. I completely agree with Jusice. Why we ask other’s views on our affairs ? That means we are incapapble of doing anything in any sector? We always depend on the what BBC, CNN, Newsweek and Times etc say about us. Thats toatally wrong.

  33. Please carefully read below :-

    Quoting Mr. Kohn- ‘In many former autocracies, the military has concentrated on internal order, or been deeply involved in political life, sometimes preying on the society rather than protecting it. Then the chief requirement is to establish a tradition of civilian control, to develop an ironclad system of political neutrality within the military establishment, and to prevent or forestall on a permanent basis any possibility of a coup or military intervention in political life.

    ………………
    F O R D E M O C R A C Y, civilian control — that is, control of the military by civilian officials elected by the people — is fundamental. Civilian control allows a nation to base its values and purposes, its institutions and practices, on the popular will rather than on the choices of military leaders, whose outlook by definition focuses on the need for internal order and external security.’

    If the army is to be for the Nepali people the above must be understood by all.

  34. Kirat,

    Do not be so taken by one defination. tell me how you’d explain “popular will” in Nepal’s context. I hear Maoist are doing their activities under the name of “popular will,” does that mean, all is good.

    Just becuase a Gringo says it through a video feed, does not mean that is applicable in Nepal.

  35. Overkill, minds like yours are so biased that even a good philisophy/policy of civilian/people control of the (R)NA so that it becomes an organisation that exists to defend society instead of harassing it becomes unacceptable. Why do you feel the need to talk about Maoist atrocities when we are talking about reforming the (R)NA? You seem to say that because the Maoists are bad and have committed atrocities the (R)NA is justified in being equally bad! What a twisted, digusting mind you possess.

  36. Kirat,You have convoluted mind set- when you talk about reforming RNA- is it proper to leave the Maoist Janasena out, what gives? First make the civilian authority capable with checks and balances, rule of law, and competent judiciary. Then speak of civilian control. Are you ready to hand over your destiny to SPA or even Maoist for that matter, if you are then I have no argument with you. Unless I am convinced as a citizen that there will be level playing field for everyone, guarantee of individual rights, and rule of law- do count me out.

    As for RNA- I believe as sovereign nation- RNA is entrusted to protect and serve, a last bastion of pillar that makes a nation rather than Bhutan or Sikkim. Lets not jump the gun and ride the winds which flow from northern neighbor or comes from almighty US of A.

  37. I agree with what Overkill has pointed out. One-sided reforms will not take us anywhere.

  38. Overkill, why do idiots like you think that the reform of the (R)NA means that the it will become weaker? Have you no brain? Reforming the RNA will make it stronger-try and get that into your thick skull.

  39. Overkill,

    You are an idiot. The RNA will not protect Nepal from India. The top brass of the RNA are all inbred and dimwitted. They can’t do much against the Maoists, and these fools think they are protecting Nepali nationhood.

  40. Manan & Kirat, you lot think reforming for reforming sake is good. As I said before, reforming is an act that requires conducive situation, proper homework, annd long terms planning which should integrate all the pertinent issues.

    And bubba, have a little bit of civility when you address someone. But I guess you are those, who profess rights and liberties but just cannot accept otherside of the story.

    As for RNA not being able to protect- you show a true nature of Nepali and that is lamblasting without any reason or rhyme. You speak for yourself when you accuse RNA of being “dimwitted and inbred.”

  41. Overkill, I really try hard not replying to you because you are such a waste of time but for the sake of those who might have a little interest in the (R)NA-reform of this organization is essential. Reform does not mean making it weak (it is already very weak)-I want it reformed so that it becomes strong so that armed militias like the Maoists do not take advantage. I want it reformed so that the (R)NA becomes an institution serving for the defence and interests of the Nepali people and not a weapon for dictators like KG. I want it reformed so that they do not commit the crimes that they have committed as reported by the UN body. In brief I want reform in the (R)NA so that it becomes an institution all of us Nepalis can identify with and feel proud about.

    Yes we can discuss what reforms are important for the (R)NA, but for idiots like Overkill to deny that the (R)NA needs reform and to deflect this need for reform by talking about the atrocities of the Maoists (who are still categorized as terrorists by most countries) is just plain stupid. It’s idiots like Overkill and that sort of attitude-people who don’t have the courage to accept the truth but look for excuses not to say/do anything good (because he says others are bad) that is dragging this country down. Why make excuses? This whole country is in need of reform-until we accept this truth we will always be one of the most poorest countries in the world.

  42. Prove me otherwise, Dear Kirat. You come across as a very naive person. Reform entails planning, do agree with this or not. On what basis are you arguing for reform? Is your paramount concern is to appease Maoist? You are a deadwood when you say UN says this and that- why do you accept without question wharever UN says or do? There is more to it then what you see, believe this, it is for you own good.

    People like you who see only surface and act as if you have the righteous mandate ( however silly) feel it is your duty to REFORM just for Reform sake is the burden of this country. Not once have you stated what kind of reform is necessary except- Reform as a blanket statement. Read my past comments and you will know where you actually stand- nowhere.

  43. fellow kirat,

    i agree with overkill and i have oneliner for you

    “you shouldn’t be cleaning your guns when you are in frontline or faceing fire”

    what say you????

  44. saint, that’s the point guys like you and overkill don’t get. The guns the (R)NA hold are, metaphorically speaking, toy guns. But people like you who can’t see beyond the tip of your nose will never understand that. Unless the (R)NA is reformed asap the Maoists will overwhelm them if it came to a fight. With a fighting force of around 25,000 they control around two thirds of the country! You guys are too young to know too much history but if you care to do a little research the history books are full of insurgents like the Maoists overwhelming corrupt, incompetent and inefficient government forces like the (R)NA. But go on keep your head buried in the sand.

  45. Overkill I know it’s difficult for your limited brain to grasp but the UN, my mentally challenged fellow blogger, would come here to monitor and observe-be a sort of referee- not to order us around.

    You should go buy yourself a dictionary. You seem to think reform means paralysis or a weakening process. It is just the opposite. You think the morale of the (R)NA has been high during the last four/five years when they have been suffering reverses after reverses at the hands of a rag tag but determined bunch of villagers turned rebels? If you think the (R)NA does not need reform (you seem to imply this) then you are the Maoists best friend. What reason do you find to defend a corrupt and inefficient army whose incompetence has let the Maoists come to our door with guns? I guess for you the proper time for reform of the (R)NA is when they are no longer required, huh?

  46. “The process of brining the army into civilian control is going to be long and complex,” thinks a retired United States Army colonel

    First of all, a retired American colonel is not an expert on Nepal. Second, how can civilians be in control of the army if they are not in control of themselves?

  47. “I guess for you the proper time for reform of the (R)NA is when they are no longer required, huh”

    Actually, that is exactly when we can best afford the upheaval,infighting, and political fallout of reform: AFTER the Maoists are defeated. We are in a life-or-death of our nation struggle now.

  48. integration process is not easy. one side there is nepal army grown in royalist perspective having elite officers from particular background ,in other hand PLA having communist ideology,having aggressive nature and in the favour of transformation. if we see in depth, lower level of nepal army , are also looking some changes in the system of nepal army, we must accept that there is high discrimination between different level of hierarchy in nepal army. if we can develop some model which can integrate at individual level ,it will be sucessful. it is not always wise to see that past will dominant in future.lets work together and find the solution be positive but tacticsal way.
    wel come for any comment

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