It’s not the time to quarrel, SPA leaders should know, but to take bold action to establish democracy in the country. Pradeep Nepal and Arjun Nar Singh KC aren’t talking about principle, they are running after power.
Pradeep Nepal resigned from the Standing Committee of CPN UML saying that his party didn’t get respectable position in the cabinet. Arjun Nar Singh KC didn’t accept the post of spokesperson of Nepali Congress saying that the party didn’t discuss about the formation of cabinet with its members. Both Nepal and KC are top leaders of two biggest parties in the alliance and if you go by what they have said you tend to believe that they are indeed raising the issues of principle and justice. NO. These two folks represent the power-hungry and always quarreling groups in the Nepali political scene who always create problem out of nothing which, as we have seen in the past decade, defames democracy as a whole.
It is not unusual for any party to try to take control of attractive and powerful ministries. But the way Pradeep Nepal has raised the issue will only defame the political leadership and do harm to the coalition. In the name of principle, leaders like Pradeep Nepal and Arjun Nar Singh KC are encouraging the dirty game in the Seven Party Alliance (SPA). They seem to have forgotten that this is not a government that will be in power forever. It has certain objectives and responsibilities and it will work directly under the guidance of SPA. Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala has already clarified so in his first address to the parliament. If he ignores the agendas of SPA he is certain to fail. All parties of the alliance are free to introduce their agendas in the government via the meetings of SPA. If Pradeep Nepal thinks that Nepal Congress will save the oppressors of Jana Andolan by controlling Home Ministry, he should be able to raise his voice in the meeting of SPA. There is no need of staging the drama of resignation which many feel is done to increase the bargaining capacity of UML in further expansion of the cabinet.
What can I say about KC? Narahari Acharay, leader of Nepali Congress, says it all in today’s Himalayan Times: “[C]ertain party leaders have the tendency to hold informal meetings when they feel their interests are being undermined by some one else.” Acharya further says, “[W]hile they were waiting for announcement in their favour, they could have decided to call a formal meeting once they saw their interests have been quashed.”
What a brilliant observation.
Now is the time to act. Not the time to quarrel. People want to see the government take bold decisions. They want to see real actions from the government.– Wagle
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79 responses to “Quarrelling Politicians of Nepal”
What did you expect from these hopelessly corrupt self-serving ego/megla-maniacs. There is no hope of a consensus among them and none of them care about the future of Nepal. They care only about their self interests.
“and if you go by what they have said you tend to believe that they are indeed raising the issues of principle and justice. NO.”
Do you know if they are telling the truth about the party not following the procedure in its governing rule? If they are telling the truth, then you are guessing their motivation, which you are free to do. But in that case, your claim is just one competing claim among many competing claims (including the allegedly power hungry persons mentioned here) about what happened. If the parties did not follow their rules (it seems like totally implementable rules), then I am with you.
On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with some discussion (you can call it quarrel if you want) both between the parties and within the parties. If no discussions are allowed, and people expect the leaders to decide with no deliberation (after major political decisions are made), that would be inviting a dangerous culture of absolutism.
I agree with Sanobhai because if the big leaders tend to think that they can decide on their own sidelining the party poeple, there is always a quareel. A party is not a property of any one leaeder. This govt. also did not come to power by the efforts of only one or two leaders. I see no harm in opposing in the democratic parties like NC and UML. if they do not have 30 minutes to discuss what should be done regarding the nomination of the Ministers, then how they can run the party. So your whole aricle is biased and it is favouring the leaders alwys who cheated in the name of the country. It is a time of consensus decisions among the parties of SPA. We should not forget that. The top leaders should be blamed but no the second line leaders.
Much like the King, the 7-Parties are part of the past, not the future.
Parties will now have to become Democratic or face the fact that the PEOPLE CAN RUN THEIR OWN AFFAIRS !
I don’t know why I feel Girija is the prime culprit of all this chaos.
Let’s face a grim fact: there are only two unified groups those being the Maoists and the King/RNA. Where is a unifying leader/group that will represent the people of Nepal who earnestly want peace, stability and an end to the corruption of the past? Who can we turn to?
Mr. Vandemeer, the people cannot run their on affairs without leadership and guns.
The govt. is moving so slow that even it could not recall the Ambassdors nominated by the autocratic King. I heard that some ambassadors are telling their host govt. that it is only a temporary phenomenon, and King will come back to power again. Why the govt. at least a letter not to work or make major decions inside the embassy. Recall them all phasewise like:
1st Phase, Immediately
Recall ambassadors stationed at:
New Delhi, Beijing, Paris, Bangkok, Yangoon, Washington D C, Moscow and London.
2nd Phase:
Tokyo, Berlin,New York, Riyad, Qatar
Third Phase:
Rest of all: by being selective because there are some career diplomats who can continue.
In the list above in 1st and 2nd phases, there are also some career diplomats but they have gone extra mile to defend the Royal regime.They must be recalled.
Now the Maoists have welcomed the decision of the Govt. and said that they are ready to sit for talks. But I think that if we see and observe the communists movements of the world, they do pretend that they want to talk and they consolidate their positions at that period of time for further advancement in their goal to capture the power. So it depends on their sincerety, honesty and good faith on thier spoken words. Till now, we have seen none. Still I doubt and think that it is a prelude to a major assault on the “establishmnt” to furhter advance their quest to power. They will find out some small reason or “NIHU” to boycott the negotiations and will go to the jungle again with more consolidation of fire power.
Recall ambassadors!? You are re-arranging the deck chairs on the sinking Titanic! Wake up!
I heard that some Ambassadors are participating in the official functions on Monday in the memory of the WW II soldiers in major European cities. Where the Presidents or PMs of these countries are attending. Whom they are representing ? Blood soaked King or the SPA Govt.? I urge DPM OLI to do something immediately. Or we will loose the respect for Martyres and the sentiments of the people who were there to topple anarchy of the Monarchy.
I agree with Wagle. It is not the time to discuss the share of the Ministry. By all means if SPA has unanomously voted for Girija, then as a part of the game he should be allowed to choose ministers as he wishes. If people like Pradeep Nepal of AN KC are fighting to get the portfolio they want it is a mockery. Shame with these leaders at this juncture.
Let us give some benefit of doubt to the newly formed government. We Nepalese are always too smart in talking and criticizing but missing the love essence.
I Support TAAYA. Girija is to be blamed for this problem. first he is too old for PM, second, he is always biased and he is undemocratic.
Most of the articles that get published on UWB, apart from a few guest columns, are really crap. Blogging is a great tool if only your blog makes for some good reading, but I’m afraid that’s not the case with UWB. I find a lot of readers tend to jump straight into the comments section, for that’s the place where real blogging takes place. It’s this comments section that has been keeping UWB afloat I guess. Let me tell you guys something, spare yourselves of the trouble of tormenting your little brains just to squeeze out whatever little you may have in there, I mean don’t write any nonsense, and start a damn simple discussion thread and allow us to say what we think about any topic. Just look at any comments section of any article you have here, they are as far fetched from the supposed source of the comments as one can think of. It’s a different world out here at the ‘house of comments’ and for your own good you should let it continue and flourish. And talking about flourish, can you tell us what in the world is that which actually STOPS OUR COMMENTS FROM BEING POSTED, some damn ordinance of yours?
people like pradip nepal and arjun narsingh kc should think three times before they come to public with their dirty linen. and should behave and think in a responsible manner.
first thing first….. they should bear in mind that they must serve our motherland in whatever capacity they are asked or required ?
ke bachha jasto rudai hideko ???
second thing, if they want to come out in open wiht their dirty linen , then they also should bring a list of formidable lists as to why their demands should be met ??
plesae let us all know ur grievances inside out.
thnaks
Sherlock Holmes:
You hit the nail in the HEAD!
Sherlock…
Sorry I didn’t finish….
Yes the articles on UWB are a piece of crap. I actually, like you mentioned, don’t even bother reading most of them and just jump to the comments. The article above serves as a perfect example to illustrate my point.
Bedeshi:
Its not all that simple… democracy, good goverance etc. takes time to evolve and develop. Today I sometimes have to pinch myself because I am supporting Girija – a man that I had the upmost contempt and hate for. However, he is really the only choice right now… Of course there will be quarelling amongst the political leaders. Where in the world isn’t there? For the most part the parties haven’t done so bad. Look the Maoist have agreed for talks and this is probably the most important thing right now.
Goodness gracious, I don’t believe this, but my comment REALLY GOT PUBLISHED and this has happened after ages.Masquerading as the great Holmes helped my cause I guess.
Bhudai Pundit,
We can deal with any crap UWB serves us, can’t we? In fact we’ve been dealing with them all this while. Say, why not hijack this whole damn UWB thing.? Whenever a new article is posted (a worthless one that is), lets start a new disuccsion topic, not even remotely associated with the parent article and we know what the rest of us have to do, of course given that bullshit of a moderation rule of UWB doesn’t
come our way.
Let us look the positives. Maoists have said that they will sit for discussion. I also feel that GP’s effort to bring the Maoists in the current cabinet is really a very positive attitude. For me I will go with the hope. What I read in the blog is looking the half glass empty attitude.
What was the shooting of Dr. Dixit about? Reports say that he was shot by the Maoists for not paying donations. What is their ceasefire about then? Is this a stray incident or is this a wider strategy of the Maoists-to talk peace but secretly to extort money in prepartion of a big military push? This incident is very troubling and raises a lot of questions about what the Maoists real game plan are.
sparsa, most of your posts seem to say give the Maoists a chance to come clean. Perhaps you have been following them more closely than the rest of us. Any explanations for the shooting of Dr. Dixit by Maoists?
I completely agree with Sherlock and Bhudai Pundit. UWB needs to improve itself or become a history.
A significant number of Nepalese people spend their time criticizing the leaders. This is a looser mentality, and a dull way of showing oneself smarter than the leaders.
Leaders, like all ordinary citizens, can be good or bad. Why should we give so much priority to their nonsense? Arjun Narshing KC, Pradip Nepal and Ramchandra Poudel have shown their true colors. So what? How does it affect us? I truly believe in people’s awareness and their concern, and these things will keep this country alive. Waglejee, don’t waste your time lamenting on the words of stupid leaders. Look for future. People’s increased confidence and their high spirit is going to keep this country alive for ever.
Rasta:
You can’t jump to conclusions so fast. Remember there are thugs out there who claim to be Maoists to extort money… we’ll have to wait and see what details come out.
Bhudai Pundit, it was reported by the BBC that it was Maoist gunmen-perhaps they have jumped to a conclusion? Hopefully it was the act of thugs-but we can’t just forget all the doublespeak the Maoists have indulged in the past. They have done this before.
well i believe in actions not words… i think it is not important what any one says or thinks… what is important is what they do… i dont care what the political parties say or think… if they can do good at the end they are good…but if they cant they are not good to our country once and for all…
And they’ve done it again. Hell what stops you guys from publishing my comments? I thought masquerading as the great Holmes would definitely help my cause, but UWB moderation has had me once again (man take my word for it, your censorship mechanism has no equal in the whole world, this is better than that of China). Tell me UWB, am I allowed to post only one message per week?
Bhudai Pundit,
Wanted to get back on you as soon as possible, but you know what its like here at the UWB. Anyway here is what got censored or rather what I wanted to say earlier.
We can deal with any crap UWB serves us, can’t we? In fact we’ve been dealing with them all this while. Say, why not hijack this whole damn UWB thing.? Whenever a new article is posted (a worthless one that is), lets start a new disuccsion topic, not even remotely associated with the parent article and we know what the rest of us have to do, given of course that the bullshit of a moderation rule that UWB has, doesn’t come across our way.
UWB: Thank you for your views. We heartily welcome. We haven’t changed a word in all of your comments.
Bhudai Pundit and Sherlock Holmes,
I absolutely agree with you. The articles on UWB are crap. They are rhetorical and they offer no insight whatsoever. I don’t care to read the articles either. The comments section is where real discussion takes place, albeit some of it is of pathetic quality. Bhudai will perfectly understand what I am talking about.
Taaya,
You need to get a life. Girija is the only available option. You aren’t gonna get anything from just cribbing about everything.
Thuldai,
You really need to get your priorities right man.. here the country is talking about the maoists and the elections to the constituent assembly and how to bring peace and how to improve the economy, and how to ensure that infrastructure is improved and how to ensure that more young kids can be educated, and what do you come up with???
The calling back of ambassadors appointed by the autocratic king!
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
So it is not only me who needs to wait 13 hours to see the comments being published here?
Anyways going back to the main topic about two people being dissatisfied with their party policies, what difference should it make? Why is this even the matter to discuss? This IS the problem of the Nepali politics and we wonder why new faces aren’t showing up. Pradeep Nepal and Arjun N.KC are not satisfied, alright, screw them up and bring couple of fresh legs in the field. Why even bother to please their sorry asses.
Leaders are not ready to take any responsibilities and that is very clear. None of them want to take the heat. Promises are very easy to make but to make them come true, ha, they don’t have balls. I personally loathe Girija, but he got ready to lead the bunch of ministers in this hard time and I have new respect for him. Makune wanted to play it safe and gave the burden to Oli , fine with me. But why the fck they are fighting for the portfolios? Isn’t it supposed to be an all-party government, with the main task of at least pretending to talk to Mao comrades and to hold the election ?
People have suddenly higher expectations and they want things to be done quickly. They keep on forgetting that Girija doesn’t have magic wand , and Mao comrades are taking this advantage. They will try their best to prove this SPA government a failure and blame everything on SPA. King is waiting for the time till people get sick of the internal fighting among politicians and the likes of Pradeep Nepal and Arjun KC would never give up. Yes we are in a big mess
Guys Sherlock Holmes here, with yet another disguise in an attempt to fool the UWB folks who’ve been blocking me time and again.
(And by the way this is my fourth attempt in trying to get this message through)
And they’ve done it again. Hell what stops you guys from publishing my comments? I thought masquerading as the great Holmes would definitely help my cause, but UWB moderation has had me once again (man take my word for it, your censorship mechanism has no equal in the whole world, this is better than that of China). Tell me UWB, am I allowed to post only one message per week?
Bhudai Pundit,
Wanted to get back on you as soon as possible, but you know what its like here at the UWB. Anyway here is what got censored or rather what I wanted to say earlier. We can deal with any crap UWB serves us, can’t we? In fact we’ve been dealing with them all this while. Say, why not hijack this whole damn UWB thing.? Whenever a new article is posted (a worthless one that is), lets start a new disuccsion topic, not even remotely associated with the parent article and we know what the rest of us have to do, given of course that the bullshit of a moderation rule that UWB has, doesn’t come across our way.
Hey UWB folks,
Thats the spirit guys! One must be man enough to accept one’s weaknesses and take it in the chin and I’m glad you’ve done that.
But please, please do explain us your moderation rules.
Well, guys discount my last post. Albeit a little late UWB did publish my original post, so the relevancy of being Jeeper’s Creepers is no longer valid (for the time being that is). Holmes is back again.
Glade:
I agree with your logic.
Rasta,
I do not know if I am right or not. I am convinced that without the maoists in the group unfortunately we are not going to have a long lasting peace. If GP can bring them in the cabinet and proceed with CA, this is the best scenario to my mind. It is true that maoists have taken a damn bloody path and have carried out heinous crimes, there are also some valid reasons for the cause. I believe that one day time will come that they will be also punished. The question for me is we cannot wipe them out so any opportunity that is available to bring them into dialogue should be taken. Dialogue does not mean agreement. We should also have the means that these fellows just cannot go hiding by not agreeing on the dialogue process. I think UN or other third party should come for this purpose.
I see a glass half full now.
Thanks
sparsha, most of us, I think, see the glass half full right now. It should not however stop us from asking legitimate questions. I favour a carrot and stick approach with the Maoists. Let’s give in to their valid demands but let us be firm on not tolerating their bad ways-i.e extortion, fear and intimidation of opponents and ofcourse their readiness for violence.
OK Maoists are ready to ‘talk’.
Can please someone explain to me this word ‘uncondotionally’ which our Mao comrades love to use in every given oppurtunities. They want unconditionally everything. But have you read the press release, there are like zillions of conditions you can feel.
The main point is their rebel army. They haven’t mentioned anything about laying down their arms, but have enlightened us that their ultimate plan is the merger of RNA and their own force. They want to get rid of all ‘taukes’ from RNA. So just let us think for a minute, who is going to be incharge ? Well they need to do a lot of answerings. Funny thing is when you read that press release, you will feel that they aren’t coming to dialouge for the sake of peace and prosperity of Nepal, but they are doing it so just to favour Nepalese people. And ofcourse they are threatening to go back to Jungles again . Oh wow !!!
Let’s hope our leaders will keep their dhotis tight and bargain to the death with rebels. Hope there will be a peace. Hope Prachandey will get some ‘subuddhi’
I tend to agree with most of the guys here who have expressed their dissatisfaction over the UWB quality and the sick moderation technique.
If UWB does not take care of this situation, with the hype of the movement slowing down, the popularity of UWB is also certain to go down. Most probably, we will end up with another blog of our own just to facilitate the discussions.
Guys!
How about a new blog where we can express our sincere comments without moderation? We will not only be able to express our comments without this damn moderation but also free to decide a vibrant topic. At least we know we are sensible enough to be decent. I am waiting for your responses so that we can start a new blog with completely open mind i.e. we will talk one and all of the topics bothering us.
Actually blogs are created by keeping in the mind for the convenience of the owner. If you want the dicussion board, you should go for a forum rather than a blog.
Go ahead hari, start a blog. I will be the first one to give it a go.
This discussion is a distraction from the main point of establishing sovereignty of people.
Who is more corrupt? Lets ask to open the accounts of king, panchas, party leaders, donors and even maoists. This disease is everywhere.
Stop accusing corruption untill you act non corrupt. Just count how many times you/your family have applied bhansun/”jack”/ or given money to fix matters in public office?
I agree that politicans should not quarrell now but I am in side of pradip nepal because KP Oli is not a good person to be in that post. Only his power has taken him there. Pradip Nepal or Bam Dev or MaKuNe would be better option to be at post of KP Oli now. KP Oli is a power greedy person.
And, oh yes, guys!
Everyone who is tired of this moderation, do give the suggestions as to our blog name? Most probably we will have to start with a free blog at the beginning and if we start getting a lot of visits, we can in fact have a paid one.
My thinking was the following for the blog title:
Our Dream- a Prosperous Nepal
hari, anything but a ‘Libertarian Nepal’.
Hari,
Another blog? Yeah we definitely need one. But let’s not call it a blog, let it be plain old dicussion forum, where one can start a new thread and the rest of us can simply post comments, without any moderations, of course.
I happen to be an engineer and I would love to develop an application for such, free of cost of course. But someone out in the US will have to register a domain name and get us a hosting service (United States a must!)
hehe Kirat,
Well, libertarianism is my personal interest. But, oh yes, this will be our blog and so it won’t be related to libertarianism. My thinking was to go ahead with Our Dream-a Prosperous Nepal.
And,one more thing, what do you guys want to discuss on at the beginning? Any topics?
We will just start off with a topic and start pouring differing ideas to come up with some real good analysis of the problem…
We will talk about anything that is in/out of the media.
Sherlock,
Thats a good idea. However, I doubt if we can move that far at this moment. Let us start with a blog and if we get many people, then we will definitely move towards that.
How does that sound?
Type: Please read ‘discussion forum’ above.
And Hari, I do agree with Kirat when he says, ‘anything but a Libertarian Nepal’, and its not only about name, your blog that is, it just happens to be the crapiest blog, if ever there is a word as such, I’ve ever come across. I hope you’ll take this on your chin (and close the damn thing, hopefully)
Why do I feel something great is brewing deep in the bowel of Internet (right here in http://www.blog.com.np in fact)? Let’s start by creating a group first, set a meeting (online of course) and then we can decide the next course of action.
Ouch! hari, take it like a man. Sherlock, that was brutal.
sherlock,
I do have some visitors who frequent it time and again. Some people search over google and read the stuff out there.I have not been able to update my blog though.
Well, thanks for your comments but I fear I cannot close it down for it has claimed so much of my time. And I am a libertarian.
Yea, I got your point. However, I feel like its too early to move with the idea. I was just thinking of having a new platform at the moment. We can think of its future as we move on. How is that?
Hari,
You really are a man! It was all in good jest yaar and I do hope it didn’t hurt you, at least thats the impression you’ve given. I too maintain a personal blog of mine, and I guess mine is far worse than yours.