Dead Bodies On Their Sides, Maoists in Nepal Publicly Mourn Gaur Massacre
Gaur killing update:Rautahat police on March 24 arrested six persons from district headquarters Gaur and Sirsiya village on suspicions of having being involved in Wednesday’s deadly Maoist-Madhesi People’s Rights Forum (MPRF) clash that claimed 28 lives. The police had made the arrests during a series of house-to-house searches today, district police office, Rautahat said.The names of the six, however, have not been publicized. (details) Also: India to Help Nab Assailants
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The Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) today held a memorial service for the Maoist cadres who died in Wednesday’s Rautahat carnage at Tundikhel’s Khulla Manch in Kathmandu. Maoist Chairman Prachanda draped party flags over the bodies as a mark of respect. The Maoists had airlifted the bodies of 25 of their fellow activists who were killed in the clash with the Madhesi Peoples’ Rights Forum (MPRF or MJF) cadres to the capital yesterday.
A Photo Blog. All photos taken in Open Air Theater in Kathmandu. All pics by Wagle. Captions will be added later.
It was a day for mourning not only for the Maoists of Nepal but also for those who are praying for the success of the peace process. And it was yet another historic day for Nepal as Kathmandu saw what was unthinkable before: 25 dead bodies of the Maoists cadres were lined up in open air theater this afternoon. They were all Maoists, attendants of the memorial service in Tundikhel were told, and 17 of them were verified by the party. The spectacular show of the corpses has one strong message: how far the Maoists have come in the past one year. During the insurgency Maoists would carry away the corpses of their comrades along with them; they would hide the corpses, bury them quickly or even try to reduce the actual number of casualties on their side. Today it’s a different scenario. They are involved in the peace process, their arms (not all though) have been put inside the UN supervised cantonment sites, they are represented in the parliament, and, comrades are on the verge of joining the interim government. That is why Maoists publicly displayed the corpses amidst a ceremony that was attended by major political leaders of the parties in the ruling alliance. Speaker of the parliament and Home Minister also briefly attended the memorial service.
Here is a vidoe from the venue: (Another video inside)
Maoists say they didn’t start the Gaur fighting (and a team of human rights activists have concluded that the massacre was perpetrated by the professional criminals), they didn’t fire bullets. Instead, Maoists are demanding that the government should take action against the attackers. Expressing the commitment to the peace process Dr. Baburam Bhattarai, the second in command in the Maoist party, said that such incident would not obstruct the peace process. He said: “We might have done some technical mistake [by choosing the same venue for the Gaur meeting] but we didn’t start the fight. Those who attacked us were militarily trained. We Maoists are also militarily trained and no one without military training can attack us [that way].” At one point, Dr. Bhattarai asked: “What if others declare war against us?” The crowd responded: Fight back, fight back! [Prachanda, the Maoist chairman, was present in Tundikhel but didn't address the meeting. When the announcer said Dr. Bhattarai would address the ceremony as the last speaker, Dr. Bhattarai appeared stunned. It appeared that he was insisting Prachanda to speak. They took a few seconds and Ramchandra Poudel, who was seated aside Prachanda, intervened! He sounded like, jo bole pani bhaihalchhani, janus na Bhattarai ji! [Doesn't matter who speaks, go and speak Dr. Bhattarai! I didn't hear these words but mentioning these based on the body language and facial expression of three leaders. So you have the liberty to not to believe this.]
Maoists want all killed to be declared martyrs and they ghearoed the rostrum of the parliament today to make the point. We can expect the Maoists to try to hunt down the perpetrators of Gaur massacre if the government doesn’t strongly and efficiently act. The Maoist party leadership will come into strong pressure from the cadres if government fails to bring the criminals to justice.
Dr. Bhattarai said:
The naike (derogatory word for leader) of the criminal group [read that as MPRF] must be arrested and the outfit must be outlawed. They can’t do such criminal thing. People might tell us that we had also fought in the past. Yes, we fought against the state openly declaring that and denouncing the then constitution. But how can you wage arms if you claim to support the present constitution and political setup. If you want to fight, first say that you don’t support the constitution.
Another video 2 (from the same day but added on March 24)
Another video 3 (from the same day but added on March 24)
Committee Formed to Probe Gaur Massacre; Unilateral, Unacceptable, says CPN Maoist
An emergency meeting of the Council of Ministers was held at Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala’s Baluwatar residence on Friday to discuss Wednesday’s Gaur carnage and security situation in the country. The meeting also decided to set up a four-member judiciary committee headed by the Patan Appellate Court judge, Hari Prasad Ghimire to launch an investigation into the Gaur incident. According to sources, the committee has been directed to submit its report within 15 days. The committee also includes officiating secretary of Rastriya Satarkata Kendra Ram Sarobar Dube, Joint Attorney General Tika Bahadur Hamal and Deputy Inspector General Niraj Pun as its members. The cabinet meet has also urged all parties, civil society and general public to help make the Constitution Assembly (CA) elections successful by making a commitment to prevent such acts of violence from recurring.
Talking to media persons outside Baluwatar, government spokesperson and Minister for Information Dilendra Prasad Badu said that the government was committed to initiate action against those responsible as per the committee’s report. Badu further informed that the meeting had decided to heighten security for the CA elections. Meanwhile, stating that the government had formed the probe committee with a unilateral approach, Maoist leader Baburam Bhattarai today said that the committee was unacceptable to them. During today’s meeting, Home Minister Krishna Prasad Sitaula, who had gone to Gaur on Thursday to inspect the situation there, briefed the cabinet about the clash that occurred two days ago.
According to sources, the Council of Ministers criticized Sitaula, claiming that the incident had occurred due to the lack of foresight on the part of local security agencies. Meanwhile, PM Koirala today discussed the Gaur killings and formaiton of the interim government with Nepali Congress (NC) leaders this morning. Likewise, the PM had also debriefed the Chief of Army Staff (CoAS) Rukmangat Katuwal regarding the country’s security situation.
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May the departed souls rest in peace.
Jasi Karni whesi bharni.
It’s sad, very sad indeed. Hopefully, Maoists will learn from this.
This should be grave concern for all Nepali and united against Madhesi Janatantrik Forum to bring its leaders to justice for mass murder by the hired gundas of Bihar with the money of Madhesi royalists Mandales. The leaders of MJF must be arrest immidiately against MJF’s violent protest and mass murder - public massacre which has shaken the Nepali and world communities.
Is this the true face ‘Madhesi Janatantric Forum’? MJF or MPRF is nothing but organization of Mandales of Madhes managed by the Madhesi royalists and extremist Hindus of Bihar who would desparetely like to make Nepal Hundu state on the face of the earth. Because they cannot make Hindu state in India. It is shame on them to expect Nepal Hindu state living in Bihar.
is this clear now that MJF Leaders are paid gundas of Madhesi royalists and Hindu extermists? How inhumanaly they have killed people - raping, chopping the breasts! This is horror! MJF must be band on the fact that they are Mandale gundas of Madhes - the mass murderers - evidence is ‘Gaur massacre’ read the breaking news:
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Rights activists reveal shocking details of Gaur attack
Human rights activists have revealed shocking and gory details of how people were murdered in cold blood in course of Gaur attack on Wednesday.
The group of rights activists who made on-field inspection on Thursday has informed that over one dozen persons were murdered in cold blood in a grisly manner. The rights activists have informed that murderers raped five women and cut off their breasts before killing them. Over one dozen persons were chased five to eight kilometers before they were killed. In total, 28 persons have died in the incident.
The rights activists have also suspected that organised criminal gang must have been involved in the attack. “Looking at the grisly manner of killing, one cannot imagine that any political organisation can engage in such act,” said Padma Ratna Tuladhar, a member of the group.
The activists have also informed that those who were killed have been found to have sustained grave wounds in their heads. Bamboo sticks and spears have been used repeatedly to smash their heads, they informed.
The group of rights activists who went to Gaur on Thursday include Dr. Mathura Prasad Shrestha, Dr. Arjun Karki, Dr. Gauri Shankar Lal Das, Padma Ratna Tuladhar, Daman Nath Dhungana, Subodh Pyakurel, Gauri Pradhan, Bishnu Pukar Shrestha and Bimal Chandra Sharma. nepalnews.com sd Mar 23 07
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Any political leaders before supporting MJF must think twice though general demands of Nepali people (not only Madhesi) is for the federal governance structures. This is not only Madhesi demands as so called marginalized people.
Warning to political party leaders not to call MADHESI DEMAND as DEMAND for “FEDERAL GOVERNANCE STRUCTURES FOR AUTONOUS AND SELF-GOVERING CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS FOR THE FEDERATION OF UNIONS OF NATION - SUCH AS REGIONS, VILLAGES AND CITIES.
THIS IS NEPALI DEMAND AND DEMAND OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITIES AND DONORS TO HAVE PEOPLE DIRECTLY PARTICATE IN THE NATION BUILDING PROCESS THROUGH ELECTORAL DEMOCRATIC PROCEDURES.
HEY POLITICAL LEADERS MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT IN YOUR UTTERANCES - ‘HODL ON YOUR TONG’
Maoists should stop using their cadre’s for bullying arround other’s. All political parties have responsibility not to put life of anyone at risk for their political purposes.
By continuing bullying maoists are putting their cadre under danger, they are putting cadre’s of other parties, normal people etc also under danger as maoist cadres are trained and carry weapons. And most importantly they are losing credibility among people. They are cutting the same branch they are standing.
But then I am saying all this as I assume that maoists can change. Otherwise their track record suggests that death of people means nothing to them.
is this clear now that MJF Leaders are paid gundas of Madhesi royalists and Hindu extermists?
I don’t know what are the omni-present and omni-potent royalists doing in the MJF. But one thing is sure that maoists trying to disrupt function of MJF can not be royalist conspiracy unless durbar controls maoists.
Maoists have disrupted MJF functions in past as well. They have also beaten the so called royalists in eastern region.
I am not justifying the killings. But just reminding that maoists are more responsible for the loss of lives… And this is not first time the whole MJF became big thing only because maoists killed one of its cadre and Home minister did not look like being interested in punishing the culprit.
So when you talk of banning MJF talk of banning maoists too. Any lay man will tell you that MJF is just a tiny child infront of maoists when it comes to voilence.
Too Bad !!!!
Santi dhamilyauna khojne lai kada bhanda kada karbahi garnu parchha
the action against the costitutional assembly !!
This is a litmus case to test the civility of madhesi community.
There is no point to justify the henious act of MJF. As Babu Ram Bhattarai correctly put it, is not logical to compare the past activities of maoist with that of MJF. MJF have to first declare if their movement is armed or unarmed, and behave accordingly. Why there is no any official statement from them?
I think this foolish act MJF helped maoists to regain strategic upper hand in country’s politics at the very crucial movement.
Prachand/baburam must have thanked MJF!
It gets more disturbing. Take a look at this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6483671.stm
This from the BBC:
Heinous massacre’
United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour has condemned the killings, calling for those responsible to be held to account.
About a dozen bodies were recovered from one spot. They had their heads broken after being hit
Police official Kuber Kadayat
She said her office had confirmed that most of those killed died of severe head wounds apparently inflicted by bamboo sticks.
Many rounds of gunfire were heard at the time of the clashes.
A BBC reporter in Gaur says activists of the Madheshi Janadhikar Forum (MJF) are believed to have set fire to the Maoist podium at the meeting ground.
Five Maoists were killed on the spot with sharpened poles; others were chased around the town and to a village where at least 10 were killed at a Hindu temple.
Listen Maobadi, this is your first lesson, there is more to come you bastards and no terrorist should be called a martry, if thats the case then every soldier of the Nepal Army should be a martyr.
May there be more lessons like this for these terrorits who ahve terrorized nepal and did the same to people who have not come into the media yet.
jai Nepal
May their souls rest in peace!
The Nepal Government is unable to maintain Law and Order! The government should make law and order their first priority, not the power game!
i m 100% with u matribhumi.
Self-defense is the right, not a subject of judgement how it is done. There was no one to protect and defend the victims of Nepalgunj and Lahan. There has been no one to defend general people from being: bullied, discriminately ruled for centuries, forced to migrate; extorted; intimidated for decades. Every right to live as a free and content person has been taken away. Now people are rising to protect themselves, regain their innate rights, and cleanse the evils of the society. This is real revolution not the power sharing trickery of the opportunists. Nepal had yet to go through this phase.
Matribhumi, bajra and the likes,
I am curious to know if you guys still believe that Maoists can be defeated militarily. How do you think that the looming communist threat in Nepal can be diffused ? What kind of political system do you want ?
At a time when Maoist army has expanded and they are everywhere including Kathmandu, I think that it is foolish to dream that they should be provoked to go back to war. On top of that the (R)NA is completely demoralized so there is no way that you can kill all the Maoists.
FYI ….
defintely thier souls rest in hell! Keep in mind that they also had butchered countless lives! Be happy!!1
What goes around comes around. Nobody can escape the natural justice.
sheer madness, mass hysteria. ban both YCL and MJF.
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See more photos of the program here.
ABC,
I don’t understand you at all? Why should MJF declare theselves as armed or not? Did not the MJF ask the government to prevent interventions of the maoists into their peaceful gatherings? Did not the MJF ask the government to prosecute the maoist who shot dead a madhesi? What do you mean this tests the civility of Madhesis? What civility in Nepal? Tell me, who can kill innocent nepalis and how many? Who have the rights to kill and not get prosecuted? Had Sitaula shown balls to prosecute the maoists when they committed crime instead of aplauding it, may be it would not have come to this? For god’s sake, sitaula apologized to the maoist mp (bista) one behalf of other parliamentarians who protested agains bista bringing a gun into the parliament. God, can’t you see that words like humanity, democracy, civility or ethics are self defined and there are no rules and regulation in this country now. If you have guns, you are right and if you don’t, may god have mercy on you. I hate to say this, but time has come for all citizens to arm themseleves for their own protection because i can bet your ass that the home ministers not going to do it.
Somebody write an entry regarding Maoists call for banning the Forum!!!
Vashek,
This is a land of the free. There is no banning here. Here everything is allowed and free if you have the muscles.
Anti-Maoists commentators have got their brain upside down and backside up, are thus regressive elements who down play democracy and peace.
If you really agrevatting the Maoists to confront the royalists like you then if the Maoists are committed to democracy for the people and nation then you should put your mouth on your ‘gu-aaune-chakh’ and chush your own ‘tatti’.
What we want here that the Maoists remain calm and fulfill their commitments for democracy and peace. Once the ‘Federal Democratic Republic’ is established then the Maoists should show their true streingth for the people and nation if they have.
These royalists online and with MJF are trying to discourage the peace and democratic process - especially the elections of CA that will establish the foundation of democracy.
However, the Maoists intelligencia must keep the list of these anti-peace and anti-democratic royalists on the blogs and nepalnews.com - track their physical computer ids from where they are accessing. These jacccckaaaaas are dengerous and deterimental to peace and democracy.
If democracy and peace accord fails then nation must track these asssssis accountable. Perhaps we need to hunt them down house by house, location by location for justice.
NPRF,
Someone is tracking you down right now.
Ban Maoist, they started killing, they have always brought guns and gundas from India. They are to be blamed for the carnage.
If we accept Mr. Prachanda and Dr. Bhattarai then we have to accept MJF. We should now make MJF leaders home Mininster and Defence Mininster. Afterall, maosit also are vying the same after killing 13000 Nepalese.
Home and Defence Mininster for Madhesis will also reduce ethnic divide in the country. MJF deserves better than RNA.
Sad, life was lost.
WTF, Mahara wants border to be sealed, hhhhhaaaa, Fu**, isn’t he one of the Moth**FUC**, who always used that same border to win against RNA.
MJF ideology is concerned with the local cause and local situation. It is by far more ideal than outdated Mao, Marx and Lenin… and others. It was Maoist, who started division in the name of ethinicity, religion and everything else. Throwing King and Paras will not solve MJF issue. CA makes no fuckin sense while issues of ethinicity remains in country. What will be the value of CA if MJF (definitely a big group now) and other ethnic right groups boycotts the election (just like Maoist did).
In my opinion CA is another name of Bahunbad and some pahade cheetri. Afterall, Mr. Prachada (aka Mr. Dahal…, what a disguise), Dr. Bhattarai, Mr. Mahara and all the followers of CA are either Bahuns or Pahade Chettri.
Solve the issues first and then call election or else CA is good for nothing.
Keep it up MJF, now kill Mr. Prachanda, Dr. Bhattarai, Gyane, and Makune.
CA will then be peaceful and Nepal a better place.
Poor soul of gaur carnage are the deeds of these MF’s
hey Nepali People’s Rights Forum,
do u remember how maoist used to kill humble school teacher n civilian in villages? i still remember one teacher in some village tying his hand in the tree, kneeling him down, chopping in his knee and his head. when u compare with that this Gaur incident is nothing. and afterall all credit for this incident goes to jungali maoist and their uncivilize activities. and in democratic state everyone has right to free speech and can open political party. otherwise maoist mentality is worse criminal than other, they sholdn’t either.
Nepali People’s Rights Forum:
Bring it on Bitch!
Nepali People’s Rights Forum:
“Anti-Maoists commentators have got their brain upside down and backside up”
Well at least we have a brain.
You fu*cking dumb naive looser go and watch American Idol and refrain from commenting on anything to do with politics. Dimwit! people like you - pesudo half assed intellectual, self rigious, wanna be journalist are the REAL danger to Nepal. You probably just finished with a political science class at some thrid rate commnunity college and now you think you can start preaching democracy? Think again.
It is obviously a sad moment. However, where were these leaders both the Maoists and SPA when many thousands Nepali were butchered in the similar fashion. This equally applies to modern day bloggers as well. If the Maoist feel that the Government should ban the other Forum or Group how about banning the communism from the entire world? Do you see any progress in your ideology?
Just looked at this two faced hypocrite:
Nepali People’s Rights Forum. On one hand he advocates domocracy.
On the other hand he wants to track people down and hunt them from house to house for expressing their views.
I abhor the Maoists, especially those in the higher ranks. They are scum. Having being responsible for a war which resulted in 13,000 deaths, they now want to enjoy the perks of political life. Look at that fat one, Prachanda, who looks like he bathes in Vanaspati ghee, talk about freedom and democracy and drive around Kathmandu as if he was heir to the Shah throne.
This coward, who lived in a safe house in India and now lectures us, should be humiliated by being garlanded in slippers, put in a cage, and paraded throughout the country, leaving out not even one street. This country should see this clown for the coward that he really is.
Having said that, what happened in Gaur was horrific. Beating people on the head with bricks and latthis till they were dead and goring them to death with pointed sticks, not to mention dismembering women, is every bit as brutal as the worst Maoist atrocities. I can understand why the MJF cadre would feel a need for revenge, given that the authorities never investigated that one death, but to take that revenge out in such a brutal manner can’t help anyone, not least Nepal’s image as a land of peace. If we live in the land of the Buddha, this is certainly not a good way to advertise that.
As do you Pundit.
What’s really the mystery here is who was better armed. I would think the Maoists, but if they were, then how did they take such a huge loss?
My fear is that if it becomes evident that the Maoists are not as well armed as we’ve been led to believe, we could have more situations like this.
We need to capture prachanda and baburam first, the cut their tongues after chopping off their both hands so that they won’t be able to speak their outdated maoism principle. I think their days are numbered.
From the reports that are coming in about the Gaur killings to me it appears that this was pre-meditated. Such cold blooded and grisly killings simply cannot be a result of ‘in the heat of the moment’ clashes. The unprepared Maoists fell into a well set trap. It is clear from the nature of the killings that it has been done to provoke the maximum outrage from which the perpeutrators hope would lead to more chaos and disturbances in the country. This is not the work of ordinary Madeshi activists demanding their rights. I am no Maoist sympathizer but I can see something very wrong here.
Horning if you have something to say - say it. What is your allegation against me?
Prachandas, Baburams.. are the main culprits who introduced gun culture afterall. If they were shot down or better hanged up in Tudikhel, then rats like Upendrans, Sitanandans,or whomever those be; definitely take refuse in Bihar. Until and unless there remains an ugly moustache of Prachanda, some Bats will definitely come out of the den and hunt.
Also, those hunted in Gaur were the insects and there should not come any sympathy for them at all. But the Crux is untouched and unharmed, so needs somebody to crack the poisonous nut! Maobad… Murdabad!!
I find some of the bloggers comments on the Gaur massacre shameful. Yes we all hate Maoists-personally I detest them. But should the grisly killing of 28 Nepalis in Gaur be celebrated with such glee as a lot of the bloggers are doing right now? During the Maoists-Police-Army battles did you people not feel sorry for each and every individual killed? Some of you bloggers are amazingly shameful.
Kill for gain or shoot to maim
But we dont need a reason
The golden goose is on the loose
And never out of season
Some blackened pride still burns inside
This shell of bloody treason
Heres my gun for a barrel of fun
For the love of living death.
The killers breed or the demons seed,
The glamour, the fortune, the pain,
Go to war again, blood is freedoms stain,
But dont you pray for my soul anymore.
2 minutes to midnight
The hands that threaten doom.
2 minutes to midnight
To kill the unborn in the womb.
The blind men shout let the creatures out
Well show the unbelievers
The napalm screams of human flames
Of a prime time belsen feast…yeah!
As the reasons for the carnage cut their meat and lick the gravy,
We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies.
The body bags and little rags of children torn in two
And the jellied brains of those who remain to put the finger right on you.
As the madmen play on words and make us all dance to their song,
To the tune of starving millions to make a better kind of gun.
Nepali People’s Rights Forum, You are a Fraud and a Hypocrite. On one Hand, you Advocate Ethnic Rights ( for your own ethnicity) and then You Condemn another Ethnic Group that has shown the Courage to Stand Up.
As for me, I am Waiting for my Brethren to Wake Up. And Oh Yes, Blood Will Flow.
Rame Bro, Where do You see Pahade Chhetris in this CA-SPA-Maoist-MJF equation?
Bhudai Pundit, I have been reading you’re posting for some time now, and vulgarity, biases, personal attacks, and disrespect for others have increased dramatically. What I don’t see are the analysis, newsworthy views, insights which I know you’re capable.
I’d really like to know when this slime Sitaula is going to step down. This guy is totally spineless.
Manan and others who are seeking bloods of the Maoists and its leaders, just think for a moment and know that they are your fellow Nepalese too; if nothing else mere mortal human being just like you. The time is NOT for revenge but reconciliation and peace Just pray that Maoist will not have to retreat to jungle warfare again and that Nepal will become a what once it was…..
Mr moriarty ! where are you? It seems you are pretty happy? and Kantipur patrika News buisness Company- it may be sad for you -to write something that may give sympathy for maoist and apathy to the US gov.
Suntali Ko Pooe, I think you are mistaken bakhara for Suntali.
If you were a Suntali ko pooe, she would have put some sense and morality in you. Suntali was only in your mind, you kept yelling Suntali, suntali.. only respond you got was baa..baa. blllaa bla.
This blog is free, but its not your toxic dump.
Time to put ABC into words, words into sentences and sentences it to meaningful statements. I hope you ABC will continue to expand his knowledge and wisdom and leave US and Moriarty alone.
These moist terrerist got what they deserve. “As you show so shall you reap” This is the natural phenamenon. They “moist” only started this kind of killing in Nepal so it is good to kill them. They are Jungli and we should chese them to Jungle.
Tulsi Bajee..You are happy to the brutal killing of fellow human being? How would you feel if your brother or sister is killed and someone gleefully say the same thing as you have said here? Your kind of mentality is what is plaguing Nepal, no sympathy, and no sense of morality, just barbaric instinct.
Waiba
I have seen Nepal before moist emerge and within 10 years of moist insurgency they have dismantle our country’s infrustructure, they killed 13000 people like this same way. They make many women widows, many children orphan they played holi with poor undefendable people’s blood. What do you think that they will get out of that ? I have deep concern with those who lost their near and dear not with moist thugs. I think you are not staying in Nepal or some urban area like big cities otherwise you would have known their barbaric in the velliages of our country. They are killer and what a killer will get?
Maoists say they didn’t start the Gaur fighting, Maoists are demanding that the government should take action against the attackers.
Dr. Baburam Bhattarai, said: “We might have done some technical mistake [by choosing the same venue for the Gaur meeting] but we didn’t start the fight.
Choosing the same place to intimidate people is not fight, huh bhattarai?
You choosed to kill 14000 innocent nepalese people, they choosed to kill 25 maoist people.
You killed Nepalese, Madhesi killed maoist.
sooo……… You did start the war, just joining the government is not solution for you… stop the blame game… one generation of people did not have proper education because of war… and you created that mess.
WTF,
OK carnage was bad, but I strongly beleive the henious look to the deaths (stoning to death, dismembering etc….etc.) were given by maoist. Afterall, they are trained for dismembering. Lets not forget that just a year bact, it was these maoist who burnt their own members face beyond recognition. Mr. Prachanda can do it as well, if he had taken that training during his war. However, even seasoned criminal will have difficulty in giving henious look to the killings. Afterall, there can only be few (extremely few, other than maoist) who can be psycopath.
Sale, maobadi ko dadagiri, katti sahane, aarko ko aam sabha bigarne.., lau ja thikka paryo.
EVERYONE BLAMING EITHER MAOISTS OR MADHESI
Why not to blame the govt. Why did they allow two sides to organize program
at the same place. Is it not the STUPIDITY of SITAULA and his local administraion.
Tulsi,
Ok, you might have seen more of Nepal and I have, but besides the peace and serenity, did you wanted to go on being poor, underdeveloped, exploited over and over by the same old recycled politicians and autocratic regime?
Nepal needed to change, and its unfortunate that violence had to be used for change.
There is plenty of blame to go around, but it’s not the time to play a blame game now. Captain Crash and you should not dwell in the past but look forward to the future, brighter side of things. Nepal is at a historic crossroad and blaming this and that does not offer any solution. On brighter side, Nepal, is a secular country now, monarchy is finally striped of power that kept Nepal under the darkness. All this would not have happened if there were no people’s revolt. It’s too bad we didn’t have Ghandi or Dr. Marlin Luther King alike in Nepal.
Captain crash, if you abhor killing, why only blame the Maoist, what about your former Royal Nepalese Army who killed twice as many people. At least Maoist was more selective of their target. I suggest you examine both side.
the only positive out of this is that the terrorists are also learning the fact the death of every human being is to be “mourned” and not just benefitted from. Until now, their version was, “people die when we are working towards a better future”. Now, I have no idea 13,000 deaths in Nepal will really end up providing a better future for the Nepalese.. but, the teorrists and the corrupt thugs are certainly having a field day burning up our scant resources while they give back nothing to the nation.
GuyfromKTM, it’s your prerogative to believe what you may, but please do some reading of world history and see and understand the meaning of terrorism as well. There are many countries that have gone through what Nepal is going through now, maybe breaking away from monarchy, fighting feudalism, or denouncing tyrannical government, you can compare where would those country be there was no cry for change. Mandela and his party once was considered terrorist, George Washington was also consider a terrorist so was the Mao.
Maoists, Madhesi, Matawalis are exis of evil.
Mr. Sharma,
What if they call your clan evil? Don’t go to extreme.
It’s ATTITUDE that makes one evil or god!
sahid………martyr………. one word that has been made super cheap in Nepal.
i support monarchy……… i may or may not like a particular king, but i support the inistitution.
and i would not mind if there was no monarchy or raja or whatever only if there are no maobadi. raja is a human and maoists be it 2 years old or 90 years old, keta keti or chakka whatever ,….. them are no human.
raja goye ni jaos, desh rahos narahosh, 80 tukra ma nepal bichajit hos………….maobadi ko rajya chai nahos Nepal.
WAIBA:
dude…….dont use the term human and human right is a total wrong phrase to use when it comes to the maoist………..
Nepali ho bhandai ma rakhchyasi prabirti bhako manchey lai nepali ley maya garnu parcha bhanney kunai jaruri chaina.
Hey waiba-I can see you are trying to show some of these bloggers some sense but these idiots are beyond redemption.
waiba.. your perspective from Japan is completely out of place….. for the records… the Maoists insurgency killed 13,000 people in Nepal while you were away.. and there is no doubt they have had the photo opportunity with the corrupt thugs through the power of the gun where their major tactics was based on intimidation……. that to me is terrorism…. may be you don’t subscribe to this idea. It is irrelevant to Nepal if Washington, Madela and the likes were in fact called a terrorists or called by other euphemisms of the same term. What matters to us is that the means used by the Maoists before the much touted peace deal and a year after tantamounts to acts of terrorism. But let me applaud you for seeing some brighter sides in current Nepalese context… I, for one, can’t see much…. but it seems like we are using different lens to begin with to look at the current situation.
Waiba:
“At least Maoist was more selective of their target”
Oh really? So all the villagers they used as human shields against the RNA were selected?
Waiba:
I am not a barbarian. Contarary to what you may think I don’t enjoying reading about death, destruction and carrnage. I too, like you, would love to hold hands look the sky and sing John Lehnon songs and preach human rights.
And after the April uprising I was begining to do just that. Unfortunetly, the Maoists have not been tamed and I frankly don’t they are capable of being (at least the lower level cadres) into mainstream society.
So Bhudai you thought that after the April revolt everything would be so rosy so quickly? Ten years of waging a brutal war with the govt. and in a snap everybody suddenly becomes model citizens. C’mon you are smarter than that. We all knew that there would be a phase of ’settling down’ where problems would arise as a result of integrating the Maoists into mainstream society. What was totally unexpected was the bloody uprising in the Terai. The violence in their protests sort of makes you wonder a bit doesn’t it?
Like I have stated umpteen times I am no Maoists but the Army/Police did kill more people than the Maoists during the recent insurgency. That is a fact. But go ahead twist it around to suit yourselves.
who founded and polticize the so called different janjati forums? Be it be madhesi, newa, tamang. .. ……….and started division among Nepalese soceity?
Who gave the cheap dreams of so called SWAYATA PRADESH for different regions??
Who is the upendrann jaadav from where he came??
Who started the Madesh conflict in Nepal?
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Root is the Prachanda, his party, his Chamches outdated communist idelogy, …
SO, First get rid of Maoist to solve the problems!
Maobaad … Murdabaad!!
Kirat:
I didn’t expect them to become model citizens. Why would I hold the Maoists to such high standards when 90% of our non-Maoist population is far from being model citizens?
What I expected Kirat, at the very least, is for them to abide by the peace agreement. I expected them to stop their excesses. I expected them to stop attacking other political activists and gatherings, I expected them to stop their extortions and intimidation. I expected the Maoist leadership to condem such as actions not look the other way and implicitly justify their cadres excesses. You think that time would have changed the Maoists? Really? Why is that? When the cadres get used to living on intimidating others and getting their ways with force why would they change?
You cannot compare Maoist to local people, Maoist torture, threats, rapes and murders cannot be compare to the 90% of local people in Nepal who may have done come illigal activits but not to the extent these bastards have done.
Maoists need to be slaughtered left right and center and in the most brutal fashion to show that terrorists like them should not be born again.
More importantly, Prachanda and his goons including his family needs to be hanged. Uneducated fools trying to to un a country on the basis on gun.
Bhudai, I think you are nit-picking a bit. By and large the pact has held. Sure there have been violations from the Maoists but really the leadership isn’t completely in control of the lower level cadres (almost a bit like the RNA soldiers misbehaving now and then). And the SPA govt.’s unwillingness to enforce the law isn’t helping. Think about it. If it wasn’t for this explosion of violence in the Terai things would have been more or less moving along the lines we imagined in April 2006. To get a proper perspective think back to two/three years ago when the Maoists and the Govt. troops were slaughtering each other and the poor civilians who were getting caught in between.
For maoists it was like “What goes around comes around.”
But still lots of nepalies lost their lives its very sad.
but two and three years later… the civilians are still be caught in between.. the pact has by and large held only for the benefit of the terrorists and the corrupt thugs.. for the people on the ground, little has changed and going by the current environment, little is going to change for a long time to come. So, people are bound to ask why they are always at the receiving end of the asaksham and non-performing groups of thugs who can’t see beyond their own benefit.
My point, Bhudai, is that calling for the wholesale slaughter of people in the name of democracy is what you have been doing for the last few days.
I’m not accusing you of anything else. You seem like a rational individual most of the time.
Horning don’t get too dramatic. I haven’t been calling for the wholesale slaughtering of people. I might have become emotional and thus not articulated myself properly but that is certainly not what I was trying to get at.
What I am trying to say however, is that the govt. should not rule out the possibility of reverting back to a military confrontation if the Maoists DO NOT abide by the peace agreement. Unfortunetly our brain-less, ball-less political leaders are incapable of putting their foot down. The Maoists are essentially jungalis and without ultimatums and threats they aren’t going to be tamed.
Kirat: comparitively yes there might be a slight improvement in the situation in a sense that there wasn’t a ‘war’ happening. But really that is a superficial way of looking at it. The groud reality is not that much more different for people in the villages.
Besides I don’t buy the Maoists were giving up all their guns for one moment.
You actually believed Prachanda’s claim that it was washed away in the river?
They were cooking up something - and it didn’t smell too bad to me.
correction:
“It didn’t smell good to me”
GuyfromKTM,
Please get the fact right, the Maoist alone is not responsible for 13,000 lives of your fellow countrymen. Agree?
Budai Pundit,
Ok, you have outlined what thte Moaist should do for the peace process, would you also care to outline the responsibility of the political parties.
You have been vociferous opponent of Maoist from the start in every way. It doesn’t matter to you that there is no open war it does not matter to you that the Maoist have given up arms and they are working towards peace. I think instant gratification is your problem. I think man of your wit and intellectual caliber should run for the public office and teach those illiterate Maoist of what is right thing to do, and kick those political old hags from office.
There are plenty reasons to doubt the Maoist and their claims. The Maoist may not truthful about their arms, and they are still using fear tactics and extortions, but its a start, at least they have handed over their arms. Its better to have some arms locked up than no arms. I suppose you would not want the continuations of war, would you? more later..
KIRAT:
dude, you have been one hell of a sucker from the time this blog started and you havent changed a bit till now. very like Wagle himself but with a different view.
what is so idiotic on being happy on the brutal death of people who lived by their sword? the very sword that could had been in every non maoist nepali necks?
and stop trying to preach your “humanity and compassion” shit ! Neither you nor i like violence and killing. However, maoist are the bunch of same people whose hands are wet in the blood of toooooooo bloody many nepalis. So their death is not unjustified.
If you plant a landmine somewhere in the field and happen to step on it at any point, you will become a vicitim of that explosion even though it was you who planted it and it was you own landmine.
I wish all maoists are killed brutally……….. bal bridha nar nari sparing nobody……….. madhesis have shown the way of retaliation i hope rest of nepal learns a thing or two from it.
Waiba,
I don’t advocate killing Maoists now. Before, maybe. I would have wanted a strong, professional army to have taken them out after they started killing those cops.
But the army turned out to be corrupt, brutal and inefficient. I only want the NA because without it, Maoists would be running the country by now. So basically, its one evil neutralizing another evil.
You’re right that the NA has killed its share of people. But it was the Maoists who started the killings, so ultimately, the 13,000 people killed are their direct responsibility.
Anyway, Maoism is a failed ideology. It has failed everywhere in the world. China is now as far away from Maoism as possible. What good can Maoism do for Nepal? It is already one of the world’s poorest countries. Maoist ideology will make it poorer still.
Bhudai-I think you are looking at it the superficial way. We have Maoists who were just over two years declared terrorists by our own govt. integrating into mainstream society (albeit with problems) and you think that’s just superficial? It’s just that this Terai thing has exploded in all our faces that has given a strange twist.
Only maoists and maoists did for the nation l…..Love live maoists….Only the maoists solve all the disaster of Nepal….only maoist and maoists…….and do whatever it is only for the Nation and the name of Maoists….Hope of Nepal is Maoists only maoists can change modern Nepal….long live maoists…
Curfew in Siraha to avert clashes [ 2007-3-25 ]
By Our Correspondent
GOLBAZAAR (SIRAHA), Mar. 24: The local administration clamped day-long, 10 am to 8 pm, curfew on Saturday in the Golbazaar area of Siraha to avert possible clashes between the Maoist cadres and the Mahdesi People?s Right Forum (MPRF) after the later announced a mass meeting at a local school.
MPRF vice-president Kishor Kumar Biswas was scheduled to address a mass meeting to in the premises of Janata Higher Secondary School, Golbazaar this afternoon but the cadres of Maoist affiliated Young Communist League had rushed to the venue and smashed stage.
Tension erupted this morning when the Maoists smashed mikes installed at key junctions of market by the forum that fuelled the fears of violent skirmishes between two rival camps.
Haunted by the Rautahat mayhem that claimed the lives of 29 Maoists in the clash of two sides, the administration swiftly announced the curfew so that law and order would not go out of control in the wake of tension that grew between them from Friday evening.
?We heard firing in every 15 minutes from 7 p.m. to 11 p.m. on Friday evening that panicked us throughout the night,? said Aasish Biswokarma, a local.
He said that they were unknown about the persons who fired in the night but the people were worried about what might the next day.
According to Chief of District Administration Shashi Sekhar Shrestha, the curfew was imposed from Ramjanaki Petrol Pump in east, Mainawati Khola in west, Nepane tole in south and Asnapur in the north.
Shrestha said that the administration imposed curfew as it sensed possibility of destruction, riots and arson in the market.
The Forum?s Central Committee member Krishna Bahadur Yadav claimed that it was forced to postpone the planned mass meeting after the Maoists vandalised its stage and mikes, and the administration intentionally resorted to curfew to disrupt its programme.
However, the Maoist district secretary Abinas denied that his party was involved in the vandalism.
?We are investigation on the vandalism that took place Saturday morning and the firings of Friday evening,? he said.
Time to choose being a pacifist or other. Loss of life, specially in vain, is sad but this tendency was instigated by you know who- Maoist. The sad fact is- Maoist, not the its so-called-leaders (Bhauns), have wontonly scarificed Matwalis in the front line by propogating marginalization, discrimination and ethinc division as an issue to die for. The consequence has been the Forum and their right to demand for it. And to demand for it, through violence, has also been taught by their former collegues- the Maoist. In the end- you reap what you sow.
Now, the question of how it is all going to end. Do not hold any hope that SPAM will cure all- they are too much engrossed to satisfy their own selfish need by sidelining the issue that we, the common man, have. Only option is to create a voice based upon nation reconcilation and fervor of nationality. It is time to show that we as one without the political coloring-can protect our nation from nefarious design of political parties and foreign governments. It does not take much but we need to be resolute.
The best solution for this federal concept is to wipe out all SPAM leaders and even SPAM and all old thugs through CA election. And form the new ethnic democratic forces to generate the new ethnic leaders in each region who will be responsible for development and security within their territory. For this, strong law and order from central judiciary is very essential. So judiciary at central level should be formed with common interest of each federal state and their satisfactory presence. Law and orders should be made more stronger than authority of the state-head whoever it maybe. But our problem right now is neither the ethnic groups are satisfied with their presence at central authority level nor law and order is stronger at judiciary level. The concept of whole authority toward head-of-the- state weakening the country and even democracy because of the vested interest of the head. So at the central level, the presence of all ethnic groups are very essential to unite the nation instead of definate caste control. The new constitution can only be successful where presence of all ethnic groups through nomination in CA is made possible. Otherwise the whole exercise may become futile and unsuccessful.
Will Maoists stop bossing around? The answer is ‘NO’.
Will Maoists care about human rights? The answer is ‘NO’.
Will the government take any action? The answer is ‘NO’.
Will Situala resign? The answer is ‘NO’.
Will Mao and MJF stop fighting? The answer is ‘NO’.
Will there be peace? The answer is ‘NO’.
Will the CA elections be held? The answer is ‘NO’.
Will we be stuck in this situation for few more years? The answer is ‘YES’.
Will ‘new’ Nepal remain unfulfilled dream? The answer is ‘YES’.
Even without the terai unrest (uprising), SPAM would still have been fighting over ministerial portfolios. The maoists would still have hidden arms. Sitaoula would still have been just as incompetent. I agree with Bhudai, things would have been a lot better had the government spine to prosecute maoist criminals from the very begining april last year. Why do we even need ministers at the moment? No one is doing anything anyway? But yes, the impunity awarded to the maoists by this government has resulted in consequences that are for us all to see.
waiba.. I have my facts correct.. what I wrote was “maoist insurgency killed 13,000 people’… all of those may have been alive and kicking now with their respective families had there not been an insurgency… I didn’t say it was the Maoists that killed them all…. although the Maoists did kill quite a few of them and maybe are continuiing to threaten and kill…
bravo more should die…i want to see more maoist die…..let them get a taste of their own medicine,bravo…..kill more of these fucking maoists…dinesh wagle is a maoist 2…
Kirat/Waiba and the likes:
I don’t mean to personally attack you guys but I think you are day dreaming and or being extreamly naive.
The peace process was going well you say? Tell me why did the businessmen have to shutdown Kathmandu for 2 days? Do you guys know what they were protesting against? MAOIST EXCESSESS! Read the report of every major human rights organization and what do you find? Maoist continuing their excessess without any abaitment despite the peace treaty. And Waiba here mentions the arms management as an indicator of ’success’. I am sorry Waiba but this only shows just how far removed you are from realities on the ground. So Kirat you believed Prachanda when he said most of the weapons were washed away? Give me a break. Without guns, fear, intimidation the Maoists are irrelevent. I doubt they would have given everything up so easily.
Just look at the atttitue of these Moaists - one of their MPs comes to parliment with a gun and brags about it. The list goes on and on.
The point is that everyone over estimated the Maoists strength. They have realized just how vunarable they are - they screwed up in Terai and now they given bith to other violent groups that will challenge them.
Whatever happened ..let be bygone. We all need to bury the past and just work on peace process. Just think how Nepal used to be …the most peaceful country in the world. The country was developing at that time. Now everybody is so opinionated and its not helping. There is violence, blood, poverty, less human rights than before, killings/Massacre. Lets all think about peace. Lets not make it worse. For Nepal more than anything Peace is the only way to go. Forget about any book that you read in the past about any idealist or politician.
Peace peace peace peace. There should not be any bloodshed of maoist, of madhesi, of RNA or of any innocent bystander. We all are Nepali. We are in land of Budha lets set an example. Follow the path of Mahtma Gandhi, Lord Budha and Martin Luther King. Lets organize a BIG Peace rally and pass the message. If you want to get your voice across, just elect the right person. We are democratic country. There would be justice in Peace as well, in its own way and more beautiful.
Bhudai-don’t be childish. Look at Nepal -who is saintly? The SPA is full of corrupt incompetent crooks. The King had his chance and made a fool of himself. The Maoists are insurgents and a lot of them trained to kill and murder. You expect that just becaues Prachanda and Baburam signed some accord with the SPA that all the Maoists cadres are suddenly going to tow the line? A lot of the lower level cadres are an uneducated unruly bunch used to getting their ways via the barrel of the gun. Neil Horning in his post already explained the problems amongst the lower level cadres who still have not got into their head that they must now not take the law into their own hands but follow democratic norms and due process. When people in the civil service with doctorates and masters degrees are still breaking the law and taking bribes, when so called honorable judges of the court are selling their decisions to the highest bidder, when hon’ble ministers responsible for law and order are purposely letting the country burn and the leaders of the national parties are haggling for ministries while the nation is on life support you expect these half-educated, 20 yr olds who spent the last 7-8 yrs in the jungle wielding the gun to suddenly respect the law of the land when no one else is even pretending to? Sure these Maoist thugs are committing violations of the accord everyday. But what is the Govt. doing about it? What is society doing about it? As long as they can get away with it they will continue to violate the peace accord. It comes as no surprise to me…what stuns me is the complete indifference that the SPA govt. is showing. I hear that they are doing this to discredit the Maoists further. That’s smart but at what cost?
Very powerful and thorough photoessay of the event. Thanks for keeping us up to date in a very immediate way.
Kirat you seem to answer all my questions but yet you disagree. Why oh why please enlighten me would these lower level cadres want to improve their ways? Why would they elect to go from an easy lifestyle to a lifestyle that involves hardwork, disipline and respect for the law. On top of that did you ever hear the Maoist leadership condem their lower level cadres?
The Maoists were making a mockery of the peace agreement and setting a very dangerous precedent for the concept of abiding by agreements. Do you honestly believe that the Maoist would have accepted the results of the CA election even though it might have not been favorable to them? Oh come on. Even before the Terai flared up they were attacking other political activists and continuing their excesses - I am not making it up. Let’s not even begin to talk about how they have created this militant attitude amongst workers in KTM by unionizing and filling them with propoganda. Now business leaders have to cater to any whim these workers have.
You are just decieving yourself if you think the long term prospect was bright from compromising with the Maoists. I agree some compromise is necessary but the SPA let them Maoists walk all over them. This needs to stop.
Budai, I may be naive in your eyes because I don’t; see the way you do.
I hope you don’t take moral cues from one of most exploitive industry (hotel) in Nepal. I know why businessmen shutdown Kathmandu for 2 days, because tide has turned, businessmen are not longer untouchable, their reign of terror and exploitation is coming to an end.
Why is there no protest and nara when a hotel kancha bets beaten and killed by their owner? I have seen young boys of 10 to 15 years old form village working in Thamel, who were beating by the owner, virtually locked up to work, refused money, and visits to their family back in the village.
Sometime get off your computer talk to some restaurant boys and find out where they are from, and how they get paid? and come defend your cunning, self righteous businessmen.
Just watch out Budai, you are next, Maoist are coming whether you like it or not…
Sorry Waiba you are right. How can I be so naive and irrational? I apologize. That’s right the Hotel industry is exploitative! We should be encouraging the Maoist workers to form unions and make sure these hotel owners are taught a lesson - who cares about unreasonable demands or free market economy? The Maoists have the right idea! If you are disgruntled with your boss get your gang and beat them up and tear the place apart. Hopefull this attitude will catch on everywhere as well - why just stop at the hotel industry? we should encourage others in all industries to rebel and act like this! In fact why stop in Nepal - we should spread this idea to all third world countries (garment workers in Bangladesh and Vietnam, miners in South Africa) it’s time all exploited workers unite and uprise against the evil business owners!
And what about the thousands and thousands of workers who aren’t mistreated and earn a decent living? Well who cares about them. They can go to India or the middle East and find employment there. This attitude and idea is what’s need. Forget about being business friendly and encouraging investment and such things - they are the work of the capitalist devil.
Manan,
For better or worst, Nepal now is a secular county, No more stupidly declaring Nepal as the only Hindu country in the world when in fact more than half of country is non Hindu.
Autocratic Rule, the monarchy that has kept Nepal in dark is virtually gone now. All this would not have happened if we did not have the Maoist.
I do not share the Maoist ideology but I do believe that Nepal is in terrible shape and it needs change. Whoever comes to power and makes Nepal better I will support whether they are monarchy, Maobadi or prajatantabadi. The track record of monarchy does not look good, various political parties records is not better, so maybe together Maobadi and various political parties maybe able to accomplish some thing. Let’s wait and see..
Bhudai, carry on what more???
Bhudai, Sometime physical beating is the only language that some understand. You probably have not been beating up, I wish you did so that you would at least learn to respect others, learn that some time hand and legs moves faster than your mouth can defend.
Oh we are getting physical now are we? It’s a pity. You get outwitted so you have to resolve to this level. I now see where the Maoists get their cue from. If ‘educated’ ‘rational’ ‘expatriots’ debase I guess you can’t really blame Maoists jungalis for their behavior.
“No more stupidly declaring Nepal as the only Hindu country in the world when in fact more than half of country is non Hindu.”
Yes Nepal is no longer a Hindu country - in fact it hasn’t been for the last year. It did wonders didn’t it? And just who says half the country isn’t Hindu? Where are you pulling these facts from good sir?
who the hell are you waiba , deuba, pundit, puret. blah blah …………. Sounds very idiot….throwing out nonsense comment on every topic, and everyday??? You guys have no work to do? Such a waste!! Garbage!
Puret where are you studying by the way? You wrote for one guy that he might be studying some third grade community college , so his words were …..
where are you studying? What is your such a distinguished work that you are saying third grade community college? Even if you from MIT, CALTECH, BEREKLEY…… thats nothing kid! Need to show your talent and work.. that makes different! Reputation of school is nothing! Such a shameful person!
remember: “Revenge is a meal best served cold!” Well done Madhesi for maosit bastards! Do exactly the same way they did for innocent nepalese folks during thier so called peoples war!
UWB you also sucks! you had blocked me so I had changed the name!
Bhudai, outwit? Sure, if you want that recognition of being smart and cleaver, you outwit me. Yes, you are smarter than I am.
I don’t claim to know the right ways to resolved conflict and how a government and society should behave. I am still learning and sharing thoughts and ideas the best I know how. The things that you been barking out and about does not makes sense to me but in due time, I hope, I will be able to grasps your ideas and thoughts clearly. All you have done here is complaining and complaining. You can reign supreme on this blogsphere, but we shall see what happens on the ground. Maoist have not been kept their promise 100%, and they have not stopped their old habits, but these are just bumps on the road to peace process, not a sign of impeding disaster. You want to peace process to fail, and Maoist exterminated, or be gone completely. The fact that you don’t realize is that Maoist is part of the Nepalese society now, whether we like it or not we have to work with them.
1. Maoists want government to compensate those Gaur Victims. What about for Maoists Victim?
2. Mao feared from Press and Religion. Then why maoist cadres last rights being performed in Pashupati? Why prachanda taking Red Tika in his forehead?
3. Declare Gaurs victim Martys. Why not declare all those 14000 deaths Martys too? How about a world recorld of having no. of Martys?
Waiba:
Really no hard feelings. You are a civil person and I apologize if I have seemed like a jerk.
But here me loud and clear! The Maoists are simply INCAPABLE of becoming a democratic political party - capable of functioning within a democratic framework. This apprant peace you see is highly deceiving and misleading - and it will come to bite us in the ass.
You think the Maoists have even up their weapons? You actually buy Prachanda’s argument that the weapons were washed away? Waiba, you are correct in wanting peace. Believe it or not I also want peace - but at WHAT COST is the question.
NPRForum Freak,
Get your bloody head out of Prachanda’s arse, mate! Suga jastai raatna janya cha…….anything and everything is a royalist conspiracy re! Looks like the Maoist propoganda machinery really did a good job on you.
Maoists finally got a true taste of their own medicine.
Horning the kuire comes to fullfill his “white man’s burden” crap. You wanna be a commie better pack up your rucksack and check out of the dollar a day dump in Thamel and skedaddle outta KTM and go live in Pyongyang or somewhere like that.
Bhudai-my point is that it is the SPA that should be condemned most of all in this whole fiasco. Maoist are to blame too but focusing just on them is being narrow minded.
I didn’t say the SPA is blameless. But it’s still the Maosits who are perpetuating the crimes.
sorry to hear that ! its maoist fault ! maoist are absolutely responsible for this incident. because of they iniciate this. jasto karma oustai phal mao khane maobadi !
This is dead body politics of the highest order. Theres no doubt about it. Now the most obvious thing will be to watch how Maoists will react. Will there be another bloody showdown? Most likely. And while Maoists & MJF kill each other, who will benefit but our beloved SPA and royals.
Now picture this. Say there comes a day when MJF & Maoists join hands again. Afterall they were together before and driven by common ideology & objectives. When they realise their fighting each other is only benefititng SPA and Royals and that they should have been joining hands and sharing power instead, why not? Its an obvious alignment. Then we’d have SPA and Royals on one side and Madhesis, Moaists, Janjatis, Dalits etc on the other. Now that would be the most natural realignment, old feudals vs the rebels, wouldnt it?
I dont understand whats keeping this obvious alliance from happening, maybe its Prachanda’s selfish ego or MJF immaturity to play into the hands of royalists. And while I am not advocating anything, I am just pointing out the most obvious thing that can happen in the near future.
What I wish for readers to take away from this is:
1) Stop revelling in the notion that there will always be Madhesis who will counter Maoists, for politics makes strange bedfellows
2) What will be SPAs strategy then? So weak they are that they will be forced to knock on the king’s door again
3) Result - a massive class struggle with further polarization. Which side will you choose? Because most likely Maoists side will win and even staying neutral wont help
And lets go beyond complaining about Maoists and how incapable they are to adopt democratic norms, atleast in the blog. Fact is they are part of us now whether we like it or not.
Patriot:
We are NOT complaining about the Maoists being incapable. Hell is there anyone ‘capable’ in Nepal political structure? All I am complaining about is the Maoist seer disrespect for the peace agreement and any other agreement. Forget about their lower level cadres - even the leadership does not actively condem their excessess. It got to the point where businessmen had to call for a 2 day strike to protest Maoist excessess. If you look at the rural areas their behaviror hasn’t changed very much either. Look at Terai and see how they are attacking other political activists and disturbing party gatherings. Now there are those amongst us who keep belaboring the point that these are lower level cadres. Hello who do you think makes up the majority of the Maoist force?
I don’t mean to say we should put the peace process aside and resume war immediately. But what does need to happen is that the Maoist must be warned to abide by the peace agreement in its totallity otherwise we should keep the military option on the table. Otherwise in the long run this supposed ‘peace’ we all think we have will come back to bite us in the ass!
Bhudai - none of what you say is not true. So we all accept Maoists are incorrigible. What do we do in such a case when theres virtually no one to oppose them, and like I pointed the possibility of them joining hands with Madhesis. Not much really. So you see we can go on and on and I am tired of complaining. I rather prefer analytical blogging that helps all see the bigger picture and helps us prepare for whatever circumstances. Otherwise we end up just complaining - no different than general crowd out there.
But I like the military option too - just in case.
Kirat and wagle…………both of you suck.
UWB: comment deleted
I don’t think law & order can be established until the SPA govt. gets the courage to use the Nepal Army-especially in the Terai. They just don’t have the will-the slimy worms.
Bhudai, you asked peace at what cost?
I don’t think you can do cost benefit analysis when it come so peace. If you want to question the cost of peace then, sir please contemplate alternative ? Absence or an alternative to peace is perpetual conflict, destruction, suffering of innocence, poverty and savagery? Maybe you see thing differently… ?
History have shown us that path of peace pays. Let’s learn from Buddha and Gandhi who stood for peace in midst of violence and carnage they didn’t count the cost of peace, they believed its possible and its good for humanity.
It was time that Maoists mourned some deaths, since they have killed a lot mercilessly. Those women were Maoists first then women second. Women are a big part of military force of the Maoists and hence they cannot be distinguished from other male soldiers that fight with them. What happened was important and necessary to teach Maoists a lesson that some people in Nepal still have the courage and the balls to stand up their atrocities.
Long live MJF
Peace-what kind of peace ? Have you guys heard anything peaceful since Maosists came into politics ?
Is this peace-manhandling people
Is this peace-looting money from finance companies
is this peace-people feeling secure in their own homes
is this peace-politicians not allowed entry into their districts
is this peace-rallies on a daily basis
I don’t know what kind of peace you guys are talking about? What peace is there right now in the minds of citizens ? How have things been better since April ?
More importantly, are you allowed to voice opinion against the Maoist in public without retaliation ? IS there freedom of speech from the Maoists?
What freedom do you have now that you did not have before April ?
These are questions to think about before saying “we have peace and we are fighting for peace.”
Waiba Sir:
You say:
“If you want to question the cost of peace then, sir please contemplate alternative ? Absence or an alternative to peace is perpetual conflict, destruction, suffering of innocence, poverty and savagery? Maybe you see thing differently… ?”
Perhaps you need to define what peace means. Because despite this so called peace agreement with the Maoists the indicators you define as a condition for peace did not exist.
Peace is a cessation of violence. Would you agree that rampant violence has been decreasing after the peace agreement?
It is my hope that the Maoist and Nepalese society continue to choose the path of peace and that Bhudai embrace peace and advocate for peace and harmony for better Nepal.
Waiba: of course everyone wants peace. Unless you are some pyscho lunatic like idi amin no one enjoys seeing death and destruction.
Yes I agree the RNA and the Maoists had stopped their ‘war’. But was there peace you ask? To that I answer no. Instead te Moaists have only emboldened themslves and are causing more havoc.
Would you have Nepal turn into a country like North Korea and still sit around and gloat about how there is peace? In fact let me ask you that: do u think North Korea is peaceful by your definition?
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First of all those who covers news of prachanda and other maobadi…especially news of the the maobadi hierarchy, they are not responsible of the country…they simply tryingto make make money…making money out of assssholes like kishne…
And this raaniko baan ….hyaa how many times I have to write it down….prachande…whatever…his point is since we dont get enough from government demand out of you….son of bitch was speaking in pokhara with business community…
http://www.nepalnews.com.np/archive/2007/mar/mar10/news03.php
Im sure very few would buy his words….
and for the obvious reason
So untruthful….so illogical….NIRLAGG….
Bhudai,
My knowledge of North Korea very limited. I have never been there; I don’t know anyone who been there. I have seen few documentaries on N. Korea. The place and people seems to be beautiful and peaceful, valleys and mountains, no skyscrapers, broad highways but no cars. You probably know better than I do. One thing is for sure; they are not fighting and killing each other, like in Sri Lanka, Burma and not too long ago in Nepal.
Yes, you are right, Maoist has become emboldened. I don’t know why this is a surprise to you. It should have been expected and understood. When an outlawed political group is given equal rights and power, they bound to show their power. I know Maoists are involved in creating labor unions, making unreasonable demands on the business owners. I can tell you their hubris power; popularity and influence will slowly diminish as we integrate them back into the political process, and economic reality. Just wait and see my friend. I only hope there will be conducive enviroment for the election to take place. People will decide if they want to reject the Maoist or not…
And if we do reject the Maoists do you think they will take that and move on? That’s the problem Waiba. You seem like an optimist which is good. But I fear you are being overly naive. Do you believe the Maoists (with how they are behaving now) will actually even be able to integrate into society? Just imagine a senario where we have CA elections and the Maoists loose - you mean to tell me that Baburam and Prachanda will say “oh well” and behave themslves?
I cannot even believe you think that North Korea is peaceful. I am not sure which documentary you saw but I would rather fight these Maoist rather than allow Nepal to turn into a N Korea.
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Bhudai, yes if the people rejects Maoist they will be history same like the monarchy.
No movement or institution can survive long without the support of the people.
You know Maoists are not aliens, or some kind of beast that cannot be domesticated. They are human being just like and I, and Yes they can be integrated into civil society. They have same hopes and aspirations as you and I do. Both Banuram and Prachanda have said that they will accept the verdict of the people. If they reject the out of election, then we the justification and international support quash them.
Sounds like you been in North Korea or know lot more that what I know. My only source of information so far have been TV documentary, I think, done by a BBC journalist. It was on escape route and the living condition in N. Korea. The snap shots of people’s way of life and their surrounding does not tell the full story, but I came away thinking life isn’t as bad as the Western media portrays to be. I didn’t notice the sign of malnutrition among the population. I didn’t see children with bare foot with tattered cloths like you see in Nepal’s villages. If you just go out side of Kathmandu, you will see clay house, straw thatched roof, sukul and gundri, smoke filled household and bare feet women and children, if you go further to western part, abject poverty, chilren without cloth, hopelessness.
I quickly checked countries facts and North Korea is far ahead than Nepal. Nepal only tops in its birth rate. Their population is 23mil, literacy 99%, and life expectancy close to developed world, 71 yrs. maybe dictatorship is not a bad idea for Nepal. Countries that have dictatorship have done well. Take example of Cuba and China, Singapore. Anyway that is another topic of discussion. Peace..
Im very shocked with the incident happened in Gaur, this was never ever happened in Nepal. Its coz of open border. Many bihari people were hired by MJF, actually MJF people are native of India, they settled down in terai place of Nepal to earn money cheating Nepalese people, In this moment Government and Nepalese people have to be careful with the people who have come from India and settled down in terai reign of Nepal. To not let same incident happen again in Nepal, government should close the border, ban MJF and start passport system, or else bihari people will keep entering in Nepal day by day… get citizenship with bribe, and make voilence forever. MJF demands are just a pretence… actually their aim is to disturb Nepalese peoples mind and slowly combine Nepal to India like sikkim.
Very insightful read. I wish Nepalese politicians were as analytical as Mr. Prashrit.
Waiba,
You defined Peace as “a cessation of violence.” By default, your very own definition of peace negates your assertion that peace has dawned in Nepal because violence in Nepal is far from over.
I am more than happy to come to your fold provided that you can convince me by providing hard evidence to support the argument that by including maoists in the political mainstream we have been able to cease violence. And please dont argue that it has reduced! Reduction in violent activities and cessation of violent activities are two different things. Please don’t confuse one with the other.
Since when has it become undemocratic to agree to disagree with maoist philosophy? And why? Someone please enlighten me!
Waiba is a damn fool. He must be the most ignorant fellow alive - he thinks North Korea is peaceful and it wouldn’t be bad for Nepal to become like North Korea. Is this guy insane or what?
Thewho and XYZ,
Your interpretation of what I said is not correct. I maintained that peace is a process, not an instant gratification; it takes time. Nobody can convince you if you are not willing to accept the facts that Nepalese Army and the Maoists are not pointing gun at each other and innocent civilian are not caught in crossfire.
You are right cessation of violence and reduction of violence are two different things. It is my belief that reduction of violence will eventually lead to cessation of violence. What’s wrong with this belief?
XYZ, if you are able to read social and economical indicators that determine and quality of life of a country, I don’t think you would be so critical of me. Oh, yes, I am a fool to know that North Korea is an axis of evil, a remnant of evil empire. Every thing is honky dory for you in Nepal because you happen to born into a privileged family. Some time do your own research and read where your own damn country stands in literacy, infant mortality and life expectancy.
Waiba,
Thanks for your clarification. So your concept of peace is captured by the fact that guns of the rival groups’ have fallen silent?! But how about the culture of impunity, intimidation, extortion and political violence that has become so engrained in our society since the beginning of the People’s War?
It is indeed fair to believe that the reduction in violence is the start of a peaceful co-existence, I cannot argue against it. But gauging by the current political developments, I am sure peace will always be elusive in our post-April revolution society. Therefore, against this background, I am afraid that any reduction in violence will not necessarily lead to peace. Please tell me for how long Nepalese people will have to endure all these violence, political bickering, mismanagement, lawlessness, discrimination in the hope of creating a just and peacful society………..people have waited enough…. since the unification, since the introduction of democracy, since panchayat ……..since re-introduction of democracy…………since people’s war. I sincerely do hope that this is the last wait.
The burden of proving me wrong falls squarely on Maoists’ shoulders. I have my doubts they will be able to fulfill peoples’ dream. They are now offerred with a great opportunity and this is the only chance they are getting…….squander this and they will be squadering us as a nation and its soverign people……
I agree establishing peace, especially after a period of sustained violence and after the obliteration of every social, economic and political fibre of a nation, is a longdrawn process………..but hastening this process is our responsibility. And I for one, am shirking from this responsibility because I feel powerless to reverse the culture of political intolerance, injustice, apathy, anarchy, ill-governance. Tell me when will I feel powerful enough to face these challenges………….and tell me if Maoists can really gurantee me this power………by renouncing violence …….by embracing peaceful co-existence……..without intimidation……….without coercion…..in a peaceful and tolerant manner…..that day I will be the first one to come to your fold…
Just saw a fairly “sound” discusion between kirat,bhudai and waiba….Well I know that bhudai and kirat sounded a realist from the time i have been seeing this blog but I havent happen to know waiba but he still makes alot of sense while discussing…
Well bhudai I dont know what much to say to you then be realistic and a bit more optimistic.When I saw the the news of 9/11 right after the first plane crashed..I wondered how could it happen..then I heard simutaneously that 3 other planes had crased and saw the crashing of one more and when I knew with the big letters on CNN…AMERICA UNDER ATTACK….I jump on my toes and started to dance thinking that finally somebody had put down the arrogance of american capitalism and arrogance.I really thought they deserved it looking at so much of their arrogance and ignorance concerning the third world nations.But after alot of thinking now I think it was a big mistake of mine to be happy that americans died.The way you are saying shows that you are happy that maoist are dying.Well, I know you hate maoist but no one can justify any killings by any reasons.You are saying that maoist are not following the peace accord..Well yes in many cases they are not. But like kirat says it needs time sir to change from the violence to peace. And remeber the maoist group consists of mostly young guys and in that age just one thing is enough for anyone to show some muscle. Just look what used to happen at the Student Union’s election. I dont disagree with you that the maoist must behave after they have vowed on peace accord but you must remeber that they are a party of alot of people and when it is tough for many parents to control a single son, its hard to control people and so many people are showing that they are very much “maoist” to take profit of it.But I dont mean the maoist leadership can get away saying what I said otherwise they would also be like MJF or like some gangs of Bihar.But you must understand their limitations too.In their faction there are people angry that they left armed struggle and they still want to continue it.And many time you try to show that you are very realistic but by the facts I know you dont seem so much at times. I know you understand it very well that this peace process is not anyone’s geniune wish. Everybody is here cause of the people and their own sets of limitations and everybody wants to get the most out of the interrgum. But I will be optimistic to the extent that whatever they do, no one wants to be seen in any way as against the people at this most critical period in the history of modern Nepal and not even the maoist. And dont start day dreaming by thinking that the maoist can make Nepal like N. Korea..N.Korea survives because China is there otherwise it would have been history long ago and Nepalese people have experienced enough democracy which the N.Koreans never did.For you guys who are very royalist or moreover to the very anti-maoist…I might sound too much sympathetic but I guess the maoist are using the government as much as they can and dont blame KS cant do much…Without GPK, he is nothing and I dont know what GPK is so busy in.Maybe he is working on his long thought GRAND DESIGN….
Kirat keep it up man..You still are sensible in the time when this blog is ruled by intense emotions and hatred rather then discussion basesd on hard facts…
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