No Religious Kingdom: Celebrating Secularism in Nepal
Hurray! Nepal Is A Secular Country
UWB Photo blog by Shruti Shrestha
Yes, amendments must be made in general knowledge books around the world. The world’s only Hindu Kingdom is a history now and people of Nepal, that country, are happy! Hindus are happy, Buddhists are happy, Muslims are happy, Christians are happy, people from different ethnic communities in Nepal are happy. As the parliament passed a historic resolution making Nepal a secular nation, celebrations started on the main street in front of Singha Durbar, the administrative center of Nepal, where parliament is located.
Look Who Is Smiling?
You can’t hide a smile: A Nepali woman from ethnic community smiles as she watches people celebrating in front of Singha Durbar after the parliament passed a historic resolution making Nepal a secular country.
People took out rally in front of Singha Durbar celebrating the secularism in Nepal
Making Their Voice Heard
Earlier in the day hundreds of people, many of them associated with different ethnic community, gathered in front of Singha Durbar with banners to pressurize the government to declare Nepal a secular country.
People putting flags over the statue of Prithvi Narayan Shah that was vandalized a day before while protesting against the government and parliament’s slow speed in declaring the parliament a supreme organization.
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It’s going to be sort of strange not referring to Nepal as a Hindu Kingdom. But Nepal has a lot of different ethnicities who practice different religions. So for Nepal to be truly democractic it only makes sense for it to be secular.
I wonder how long it will be a ‘kingdom’?
Hurrah!
Long live the secular, free, equal democratic (republic?) of Nepal! These are days of some greatness!
Secularism is the best thing ever happened to Nepal, it was long overdue.
How can one traslate the name of the government in English ? Nepal Government or Government of Nepal or Nepalese Government ?
Some other names to be changed :
Royal Nepal Airlines Corporation
RONAST
Royal Chitwan National Park
Royal Bardia National Park
Royal Suklaphant Wildlife Reserve…
got some more ?
Government of Nepal sounds just fine. Also no more official prayers to Lord Pashupatinath (or Kirateshwar as we Kirats call him)!
Royal Stag whiskey..it should be referred to as Nepal Stag now. lol
I don’t think referring to Nepal as a secular Kingdom will be strange. What used to be strange was whenever we introduce our country to tourists we say “Nepal where Lord Gautam Buddha was born and it is only Hindu country in the world”. That didn’t used to make any sense.
NOw i think every religion, ethnic groups will be happy except some extremist Hindu like BJP in india.
So, Now that Nepal is no longer a hindu nation, does that mean that cow can be slaughtered openly ?
Good question DA and good point Better Nepal. I am quite fond of beef! Big Mac!
Two years from now there will be a violent movement to make Nepal again a Hindu country. Just like the Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal and the VHP, there will be similar outfits in Nepal also. India is secular because it has Hindus in the majority. Nepal was secular because Hindus here are tolerent. Now, I doubt whether HIndus will remain tolerant when cows will be slaughtered in their neighborhood.
sajana really? So democracy goes out of the window when religious bias walks in through the door? Ofcourse being secular doesn’t mean being anti-Hindu, I am sure you understand that? It only relfects the fact that the Nepali people practice different religions and are free to do so.
I found this report intereting: Lets go and rally around.
“Victory rallies” around the country, Demo outside Singha Durbar
Reports say supporters of the Seven Party Alliance have taken out “victory rallies” in various parts of the country welcoming the “historic” proclamation passed by the House of Representatives that has drastically curtailed royal powers and brought the army—for the first time in the country’s history—under the control of the legislature, among others.
Rallies have been taken out in Kathmandu, Bara, Sarlahi, Dolakha and Baglung districts, among others. People came out to the streets, greeted each other and chanted pro-democracy slogans.
People could be soon glued to their radio and TV sets as the state-run Radio Nepal, Nepal Television, Kantipur TV and a number of F. M. radio stations carried live the proceedings of the reinstated House of Representatives from Singha Durbar Thursday afternoon.
In front of Singha Durbar – the main government secretariat– despite fresh ban imposed by the local administration over procession, gherao, meetings, sit-in etc., hundreds of people gathered near the statue of late King Prithvi Narayan Shah in order to draw the attention of lawmakers who were meeting inside the House of Representatives.
People representing various indigenous groups, unions, institutions and the civil society were present during the demonstration cautioning political parties not to betray the spirit of the people’s movement 2006.
Addressing the public gathering in front of the West Gate of Singha Durbar—a restricted area– leader of the pro-Maoist student body, ANNFSU (Revolutionary), Lekhnath Neupane, challenged the present government not to undermine the Maoist contribution in restoring citizen’s rights in the country. “ If the present government fails to address the people’s sentiment then they will have to face unforeseen consequences,” he warned.
Neupane said the government should immediately address the issue of hundreds of captured and missing Maoist cadres who played important role in the people’s movement. He also demanded that the parliament should not spare a single moment on declaring country a secular state.
Women’s rights activist, Dr. Renu Raj Bhandari, warned the current government not to repeat the same mistake made by all the previous government of denying women from their basic rights and not granting them appropriate opportunity in decision making.
Interestingly, the gathered crowd took no time to shoo away as soon as the news of country being declared the secular state flashed out of the parliament. A leader of the civil society movement, Malla K Sunder, announced the news for the gathered public outside Singha Durbar.
Talking to Nepalnews after the declaration of the country as a secular state, one of the members of the indigenous communities, Dandu Sherpa, said that the declaration was just a first step towards a democratic Nepal based on equality.
The participants were euphoric as soon as they heard about the HoR proclamation that made sweeping changes in the country’s constitution.
In the west, I can go to any church while my girlfriend cant go to Pashupatinath as she is not hindu.
THIS IS NOT FAIR. There should be introduction fee and everyone should be able to go to the temple.
I wouldn’t want a cow slaughetered in my neighbourhood, that will surely offend millions of hindu living in nepal. Though we have become a secular country but we cannot forget our tradition and values.But we should also be aware of groups like Shiv sena , bajrang Dal of indya who have shown there presensce in nepal too. They will certainly not accept this secular movement.Since king of nepal is also considerded as leader of whole hindus of world so these groups will really try to create some disturbance in nepal as they have been doing for ages. We nepalese are happy that nepal is a Secular state. Hindus in nepal are tolarant but indians are not. They will not accept it. They fill like Nepal must be hindu state because it will be in indya’s favour. Indian government have always supported King, they will surely have problem accpeting Maoist. We may have won battle inside our country but we have a long way to keep indya away from our intenal matter. Even though Indya is considered our big brother but they have no right to put there nose in our matter. Most Indians think that all this revolution of nepal was planned by ISI of pakistan to make nepal a secular state so that they can overthrow indian hindu mentality. These people are really some kind of idiots. We have to beware of these groups too… And lastly I dont want religious conflicts in Nepal.We have seen lots of war. Let peace be on Nepal.
Jai nepal
I am a Muslim please dont take my comment in any wrong sense. I am a nepali first then a Muslim
Well people, how about 90 % of people those who practice vedic culture, values and norm. Girija is one of devil of Nepal since early 1990.
Just await few month, Bihari will enter your home and celebrate in your house.
Some thoughts on secularism:
I am a proud Hindu but never liked the idea of declaring the country a Hindu kingdom. I have equal respect to all other faiths and I feel near to god while respecting other religion.
What we have best in Nepal is religious harmony. So instead of talking about allowining the killing of cow, I say, lets ban all killings restricted by all religions that are practiced in Nepal.
We have to be extra careful about ultra-religious Hindu and Muslim organizations. We have to be careful about Christian missionaries. No religious transformation, at leat not forcefully or by using money.
Religion is a private thing and lets practice it privately. Lets not show it. After all, we have just become secular.
Good on you Tajim. A Nepali before a Muslim! You are a true Nepali!
I am afraid for some people the meaning of true democracy is now finally sinking in. I hope your faith in democracy is not shaken by any religious bigotry. Secularism means that there will be no bias against any religion and that there will be no state (endorsed)religion. In the eyes of the state all religions will be equal. Please remember democracy is not just for you but for all the people.
Foreigners can come to Buddhist Monastory and Bihar. There are some sacred temples where other people (foreigners)should not be allowed even in some places i am not allowed to go in my family AANGAN Temple and look particular god.
Slaughtering cow i am not sure. Most of the population in the world eats cow it should be done in particular place slaughtering house. We can easily buy beef in departmental stores so its not a big deal.
Extremist groups like shiva sena, bajrang dal etc should be banned from Nepal. It doesnt favour our country.
What about eating dog meat or are dogs sacred, I think in some countries people do.
In some cases people it meat of its own kind.
Religion nowadays is replaced by media, politics and business, but we are moving towards the global village where everybody eats what is fashion, the high priests are todays heroes, we are manipulated by the media.
People in india of Nagaland, Manipur eat dog. Many Nepali students who goes to study there tastes dog meat. According to them it is very delicious more than chicken and even expensive.
Yes Tajim, you are a true Nepali.
Talking about secularism, the time will tell how people are going to practise it in Nepal. It seems like people have impression that it gives the freedom to practise for all kind of religion. That is wrong as I believe secularism actually holds all religion in contempt instead of presenting freedom of religion. Take an example of France, look at the controversy it had faced. Are we ready to move to that level ?
We have just got rid of ‘Hindu’ label, there are still many things to be done, then we can proudly claim that Nepal is a secular state. Hope is still alive : )
I dont understand one thing why there is a fuss over this secular thing. Yes we have got it. Now leave that issue. We have lots of things more to do. We have to take nepal to height of liberalisation and economic development. We have to end all conflicts in nepal and start from scratch. its a dunting task and we have to start it right now. We have to show whole world specially indya that nepal is not just land of bahadurs. We are more than that. We need to have start as soon as possible.
Not only shiva sena, but any groups which have strong religious backgrounds, no matter which, should be banned.
Wholeheartedly agree with you again Tajim. Yeah let’s move on. I want to see the Maobadi’s come out with a declaration that they will surrender all their arms as soon as they conclude successful peace talks with the present govt. They must surrender their arms before elections to the CA.
Kirat,
they are not going to surrender their arms.
Their aim is to be the part of Nepal Army and I guess they are working on this instead.
They can be a part of Nepal Army. That’s fine. But before they are integrated into the Nepal Army they must surrender their arms. This must be insisted on. Let them go through a re-education program too so that their loyalties are no longer with Badal but with the Parliament. Any elections to the CA without a Maoists arms surrender will be a farce. You know that.
I’ve be watching this for some time. Personally this king should be removed from his place and set on the low. Killing his family for power know he will be stripped of his power GOOD FOR YOU NEPAL. The Sad part is good kings will come along and have no power even when its just. Killing is not just. I hope that your nation becomes a good and successful one, but war and violence will not solve anything. Freedom of protest, Freedom of speech do come at a price, sometimes you lose both. But make sure you use it for good. Work together don’t follow other countries ways, they just lead to a chaos. Be dependant, find ways to improve your culture. Hindu leave it Hindu, Christian and muslins lol well look at there nations that speaks for itself. Im not Hindu but i admire some of the teachings, make your laws foundation based on honesty, truth, morality, working together. Don’t let corrupt leaders ruin your lives with there false promises, making laws that are more for there benefit then the peoples. They start to show get them out.
The power of democracy isn’t about control its having the power within yourself to make a change for the better, to make way for the future and making it safe for your children and so forth. Some countries fall very very short of this. America may have democracy but do they really, as I’ve lived here born and raised i really don’t have freedom, i would want freedom from governments controlling every action and purchase i do and make. True freedom is about doing good, not freedom to do bad, when you do good and become a good people freedom will flourish. GOOD LUCK NEPAL —LOVE Michael
oye kirat! ubiquitous, omniscient and the great commenter…
ma tero tarka sunera dikka vaisake…with that know all attitude…for once shut your trap. go away from computer, do something real rather than stick your a-ss on the computer and puke those lame arguments…no we won’t miss you…
ugra_pundit, no need to read my comments if you can’t stomach the truth. No one is forcing you mate.
don’t get happy…I am not reading them, it is like ‘aachi’ all around littered by you..so you see I have to hope around so that i don’t step on them…so it is pretty inconvienient….
well ugra_pundit if you can’t counter my logic I guess a ‘pundit’ like you can only resort to the mumbo jumbo crap like your two previous posts. Not happy that Nepal is now secular? Well you can’t have your cake and eat it too! I would rather that you challenge me intellectually than crap from the wrong end like you are.
You say you are ‘pundit’ I am a Kirat. Let’s see what you are made of intellectually. Put up or shut up!
ghengis khan of kirats! do not shove words in my mouth. i haven’t said a word about secularism in Nepal yet. so do not presume my standing on it.
well regarding challenging intellectual, whatever that means I give in. I bow down to your superior intelligence.
such an ego centric cry baby…let’s duel intellectually….rather let’s see whose winnie is bigger yours or mine…
ugra_pundit, this blog is for political/social/cultural discussions on Nepal. Since you are only interested in attacking me as a person I will henceforth ignore you because it seems you are just a petty idiot. So long!
Both you guys stop fighting !! Lets not get into caste hassle just when Nepal has been declared a secular state.
By the way, Tajim, I would want beef in Nepal. Its scientifically proven to be very nutrious. Just because Hindus dont eat them doesnt mean we cannot slaughter beef. I am a Limbu (Angbuhang) who is not even supposed to touch pork. Should I demand that pork should not be slaughtered in Nepal? Or should Rais demand that mutton should not be slaughtered? By the way I love pork and beef. I want both of them in Nepal.
Kirat - why dont you look at my answer to your comment in the post “Recovering From The Jana Andolan Atrocities”. You sure dont know your shit at times, it sounds.
Now you talk sense. I admit all my previous entries were out right stupid and childish. If I were you I would have ignored it the first time and not engaged at all. But no it was your ego: who is the superior of all? If you are intellectually compentent good for you. I have nothing to do with your degree of intelligence rahter I am happy we have intelligent Nepali youth. So tone down a litte, brother, no one is here to show case his/her intelligence and you are not going to get any medal for it.
Nepal becoming a secular state is a good indication that we are finally practising pluraism.
Nepal becoming a secular state does not mean that Hindusim will disappear. Hindusim is a way of life in Nepal. Most of the people are Hindus and will practise Hinduism. This will keep on going forever. There should be no doubt about that.
It was necessary for Nepal to be a secular state as the king derived the power from the religion as a Hindu king–an avatar of Vishnu. The king is a mere mortal like us. He is just a human being not a god.
It is time now for us to translate the sutras and shastras from Sanskrit into vernacular languages so that anyone can read, study &/or interpret religion.
Brahmins alone should not have the power to interpret religion. Every practising Hindu should have the ability to perform rites and interpret religion which will make it even more vibrant.
OK. I might have a big ego…and a short temper. But are you telling me to act dumb? I am only human…I will react to people who attack me, like you did. This is a blog where I can be anynomous and say what I want…I won’t call you stupid in real life even if you were. Is it really necessary for me to pretend here too? Man, that’s a real downer. Anyway peace with you ugra_pundit. I gotta sleep now.
Secular State was the best ever addition in the proclamation. We Limbus are ready to contribute to the national progress and natinal integration. we want to develop our country in full earnst. We are very happy abour the proclamation.
Unnecessary addition about secular state.
Nepal was always secular in practice. The change of name from hindu rastra will only create religious tensions in future.
There are 52 muslim countries arround the world. But now no hindu country. And people are celebrating it? pathetic.
Mark my words. Nepal had no religious conflicts because nepal was hindu country. You will see india like religious riots soon because of this foolish declaration of girija which no one ever asked for.
And why is this website celebrating it? The news says that people celebrated taking away of kings powers. And most of them left dissapointed when the nepal was declared secular country. Is this website paid by missionaries? Why is it mis-representing the news?
For 1st Time in all the history of Nepal, A Real Change is made infavour of the People & they have been given the Sovereign status,which they are. Dream of all Martyrs who fought for the Change has come in someway.But still there’s a long way to go.
Nepal now should head for CA elections in getting people’s mandate to build New and Prosperous Republic of Nepal governed fully by Nepali People.
Wait for the final celebration: its still a long way to go.
If the Maoists obstinate on their demands, we might be heading for another totalitarian regime. The war is not over. The resettlement has not started. The construction of new Nepal is far away.
Maoists have been brilliant in executing their long term strategy. Maos are still collecting money. Maos are recruiting more people. Maos still carry gun.
Lets put the pressure on the Maoists and let them know there will never be a totalitarian regime - be it royal or maoist dictatorship. This was the third movement for the sovereignty of people in the last 50 years. If needed, ther e will still be one more. The only alternative of democracy is more democracy
Its a good move to declare Nepal a secular state.
Secularism is the unseparable part of Democracy which lets the people to practice whatever religion they want.
Theres not any point to get afraid of saying it might create religious tension.Its not that at all.
Truth is it rather helps in strengthening Religious Harmany and Peace among all the communities.
I agree with basanta. What was requirement of this declaration? Being hindu rastra is uniqueness of nepal just like the mount everest, gautam buddha and sita. Girija has made a big mistake by putting this among other good changes. They may actually provide a life line to the king.
Being secular in practice is what matters not in name. No one can take away price of 90% nepalis in one stroke. Let it be an issue in CA if at all it is required.
Why are we copying dhotis so blindly? I wonder if they will provide reservation for muslims tommorow… I wonder if government will pay flight tickets for muslims to go to haj in future. Not even neplese muslims wanted this change ever…
Yes gambhir this step is just to please prachanda and his indian masters. I dont remember anyone in nepal being uncomfortable with nepal being hindu rastra.
It seems missionaries have given some money to girija too. Be prepared for naming your son tom,john,harry.
This is a big mistake. Being secular wont make us developed. Big mistake!
Nepal is was and will be hindu rastra. No copying Dhotis who have more religious tensions than 52 muslim countries and nepal.
I knew girija will do something foolish.
Hey blog.com.np… who has celebrated removing hindu rastra from nature of nepal? People celebrated other significant changes regarding king. Are you being paid by missionaries? Why have you made article look like people were celebrating secularism?
In nepal all religions live together without any tension. There was no requirement at all to make such unnecessary change. Who was unhappy with nepal being hindu rastra? even if someone was unhappy what about the remaining majority of people in nepal.
This is begining of religion based politics in nepal. There will be NJP(nepal janata party) which will promise people to make nepal hindu rastra… kill non-hindus and win votes.. best of luck to girija babu.
Why some guys still afraid of Maoist after they have already shown their full comitments towards MultiParty Democracy formally endorsed by their Central Commite meeting ??
I dönt see a single point to get afraid of them now. Afterall they are the major force of Peoples Movement and awareness they created in society that contributed for this movement for whatever drastic change we have seen now.
Another nepali and Basanta,
your views are out dated. Nepalese people moving with time . What we need is peace in the country. We do not want LANGAUTI of Hindu rashtra and violence in the country. It was the mistake of Biswanath and co. in 1990 whan they drafted the constitution. Where is biswanath now ? He is out dated. It is the new generation who are leading the country.
If we are secular in practice, then whats wröng in formally declaring Nepal a Secular State ??
>>We do not want LANGAUTI of Hindu rashtra and violence in the country.
There will be voilence in country because of this decleration in future. If you cant see that you can keep celebrating. This is odd change that was not required at all.
Can any of u guys answer my above Q ??
>>If we are secular in practice, then whats wröng in formally declaring Nepal a Secular State ??
I say what is wrong if nepal is called hindu country? Who has problem with that? If someone has problem he better go to stinking secular dhoti country india. What about sentiments of 90% nepali people? Prachanda is not the only person whose opinion counts…
I again say it is stupid and unnecessary step to declare nepal secular country.
You are an odd to say that sis,basanta.
You are the one who is trying to create the conflict over secular thing.
To be secular is to respect everyone’s right to religious practice.Its unseparable part of democracy.
So to deny secularism in today’s world is like denying democracy.
Do u deny Democracy, mr. basanta ?
>>Its unseparable part of democracy.
Hindu identity is inseperable part of nepal. I cant believe girija did it without any public debate over it… is he a dictator? what is the hurry to declare nepal like that? to please indian masters or prachanda?
Not only Prachanda but everyone who respects civilian rights in Democracy supports the secular thing.
We have nothing to do whether india is secular or not.
What matters is we being secular for ourselves.For our Democracy to be with full values and norms on civilian liberty.
Being Secular doesnt mean degrading hindu.I am also a Proud Hindu.And I feel very happy with this secular thing.
A true Hindu should not have a problem with Nepal becoming a secular state. It is our Nepali culture which makes us tolerant. Let’s keep this culture alive and let religion be a private matter of faith.
Anyone who starts trouble using religion as an excuse should be imprisoned. Did you know that Islam means peace? But look how the fanatical minority have hijacked the moderate Muslim majority. I fear some religious bigots are already doing this on this board.
If Hindus are the majority in this country ( a majority by how much is debateable as all non-hindu janjatis such as Tamangs, Gurungs etc are also classified as Hindus in official statistics) then why are some of them feeling so insecure? Nepal is mutli-ethnic so what is wrong in being multi-religious? Please stop the needless fear mongering. If they say tomorrow there will be Hindu militants- that is shameful as there has never been any Buddhist/Christian/Muslim militants in Nepal even when Nepal’s official religion was Hinduism. Please do not disrespect Hindus and Hinduism in such a manner.
sakyamuni…
You should understand indian politics then you will know long term implications of this idiotic move. Being officially called hindu rastra has nothing to do with how country runs in practice.
I am more against the way it has been declared. Declaring country secular was no where in the theme of revolution… all of sudden why this change? is it to show that hindus sentiments are not cared in this country now?
People have not asked for it. It has been done to please someone else.
WE MUST NOT ASSUME THAT ‘SECULAR’ MEANS DOWN WITH ALL OUR TRADITIONS AND VALUES. FRIENDS LET US NOT DOMINATE AND SUPRESS ON ANOTHER BUT LET US SERVE ONE ANOTHER IN PURE LOVE. NOW THERE IS NO MORE ‘KO BHANDA KO KAM’ LET US PRACTICE LIBERTY EQUALITY AND FRATERNITY
sakyamuni… Ji,
That was the worst thing to do; counting Janjati as Hindu to show the high percentage of Nepalese Hindu; hiding the fact.
It is pit that it will not happen again.
NEPAL HAS LOST ITS UNIQUENESS
If you want to celebrate it I have nothing to say.
If girija has to please indian masters,then he should have rather strengthened Nepal as a Fundamental Hindu Country. So theres no point of what u said.
Whatever he did, is infavour of all the communities of Nepal either they are in majority or minority.
He did this infavour of Democracy for all,for every single citizen of Secular Nepal, I would rather like to say it boldly.
We all suport this.
To Basanta and gang!
You rejoice ecstatically when KG gave up his powers and you said ‘it’s for democracy’.
You demand all corrupt netas audit their wealth to a last paisa because it’s for democracy’.
You demand jungle dwelling Moabadi give up their arms because it’s for democracy.
You demand RNA be under parliament because it’s for democracy.
So you demand everything from everyone for the sake of democracy, but when it is your turn to give in something for democracy, you sense a conspiracy and a foul play. Secular state is a pre requisite for a healthy democracy, if you want to represent every section of society it has to be a secular state. 90% of population is Hindu well that is debatable and let’s not get into that.
And you suddenly find it frightening that other religious groups of Nepal would rise for their rights. What is wrong in having an equal say in social, political and economical issues of Nepal by minorities as well?
Everyone concerns seems to be they (I don’t who) would start eating cow, common people, give some benefits of doubt. People at minorities are not barbarians; they do have sense of respect for your belief and sensitivity. You are not going to be a lesser Hindu or a bad Hindu just because your nation is no more a Hindu nation. Hinduism is a way of life and it is a personal thing, so do not try to mix it with a politics.
Yes, change is uncertain and at a time scary, but that dose not mean you should deny it and run away from it. For a new dawn everyone has to pass through the darkness of night. But if you choose to blind fold yourself, you are most welcome that you will be lost in your own ignorance.
We must not waste our energy on this religious matter and concentrate on how to transform the military, how to bring Maoists to the mainstream, etc.
A secular state is fair for everybody because every citizen feels respected while celebrationg his/her religion woithout any state dictation.
The US constitution also clearly seperates the church with the state and people are enjoying it.
Gyanendra may try to throw the “Hindu Card” at the ring. We must be very clever of that!
Nepal hasnt lost anything.
Rather it has formally showed its commitments towards democracy.
Nothing to fear, its all fair.
We waited hundreds of years not to be a freaking “KINGDOM”, if we do not secularize the country now, we have not learned shit. You think there will be any religion few generations down the line? You must be dreaming to be fighting for that.
We waited hundreds of years not to be a freaking “KINGDOM”, if we do not secularize the country now, we have not learned $#@^. You think there will be any religion few generations down the line? You must be dreaming to be fighting for that.
Regarding being unique!
Well you can have three balls and be unique.
Well you can have a horn coming out of your head and be unique.
And you can boast you are unique because you have three balls and a horn. Well bask in false sense of honor my friend.
No one in the world gives a second thought on Nepal’s uniqness of being a Hindu country. As if you care jews holy book is called Torah, Jesus was born to vigin Mary, Kabba is in Mecca, and that buddhism comes with a flavor Hinayana, Mahayana, Vajrayana. So do not worry people around the world would not even notice the loss of Nepal’s uniqueness.
Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu (gone ???), Buddha, Allah, Mohammad, Holy Ghost, The Heavenly Father, The Son of God, The God Himself, Jesus the Christ, Ram, Krishna, Laxmi, Sita, Kali, Durga, Taleju, Kumari, Bhairav, Indra, Devi, Hanuman, …………………………………………………………. Wow now everybody can choose their own God but God is God who is this God really??? A big Question is God Light and is Satan Darkness ??
One might say Light is a hanging ball of Nuclear reacter and what is Darkness surrounded by Dark Force and Dark Matter??????
So, no holidays in Dashain & Tihar… or, more holidays(christmas, muslim holdays).
Nepal had to be declared a secular state because the king derived his power from the religion. He and his courtiers have misused Hinduism to justify their actions and existence. Religion gave him the utmost power by being declared a god king (Vishnu’s avatar) as oppossed to being a mere mortal like us.
If we, the people wanted to limit the power of the king, then, we had to cut the umbellical cord, which is religion, that justified his existence. Being declared a secular state is merely a technical maneauvering.
Nepal is & will remain a Hindu country at heart as the majority of the people practise Hinduism. It is our way of life. I see no reason to worry about secularism.
hahha, good question Robin, I think if Dasai and tihar is not labeled holidays, I can see another Jana andolan coming…
Khasi ko masu Jindabad!!!!
Basanta and Gambhir,
Your claim that Nepal was always secular in practice is like a white man claiming that there is no racism in the US. If you want to know the state of racism in the US, then you need to ask a minority. Similarly, ask a non-Hindu or an ethnic Nepali about how they feel about the Hindu Nation.
Although I was surprised by the decision without much public debate, I still think it is the right thing to do. Whether you like it or not, the Royals and Bramhins still derive their position in our Nepali society from religion, This move will empower ethnic and religious minorities making them more confident and giving them more say in the Nepali State.
Having said that I still think this should be tested in the constituent assembly. Also, there are more ethnic minorities than Bramhin and Chettri Hindus in Nepal. So you cannot claim that 90% Nepalis are Hindus.
Hellow,
Good analogy,
“Although I was surprised by the decision without much public debate”
I think thats because it’s coming directly from Prachanda’s demand. And also if I am right, pahad parwat is/was more secular than the cities, and since the cities have the veto power, the pahadi’s and madhesi’s are even more discriminated, with the cities as well being secular means a well rounded playing field.
The question is
-Should we trust Lord Pashupatinath to lead Nepal in the third millenium?
If you think yes, the only option is to go to banakali for tapashya not to preach about religion. Just go to a temple and do a tapasya/kotihom/animal sacrifice.
Otherwise, accept the responisibility and act as a sovereign - which we all are now.
“Nepal becomes a secular state”
R u stupid. This is one of the most stupidest thing I have ever heard. Nepal should be Hindu Country.
Do you think Nepal is a better place now? I am happy power has gone to the people but I am very worried. I ask you?
1. DO YOU THINK SPA HAS POWER NOW,….. Maoist…..duh?
2. DO YOU STONGLY BELEIEVE GIRIJA CAN DO THE JOB?
3. Do you trust this guy? Personally I would take any other politician than GIRJA? What a looser.
I think this is one of saddest moment of my life when the government declared a secular country. I believe in everything the government has proposed. Our country was built on HINDU principal. MARK MY WORD RELIGION does play a big part in my life and I am worried that after 10-15 years our country will be like India where people fight and kill for religion. I WORRY. Secular progressive is NOT a way to go. I ASK you one more time….wasn’t Nepal tolerant to other religion…when it was HINDU country
Here is the problem, like it or not we have to look at India’s history, Secular state….. In 10-25 years MARK MY WORD….a political party will be formed like BJP in INDIA who will have a religious background and will move in that direction…..right now our country has been divided into ethnic lines…race…now its going to be religion.
SAVE NEPAL…..I know everyone is happy about this secular thing but think…think I wish we could get along but think practically this is not a perfect world…..this will be blow out of proportion after 10 -15 years…I am worried about my country…I wish we had more educated and rational politician.
I was reading a comment from one blogger that 90% of the people approve of this secular movement. Those who says that 90% of Nepalese believe in secular country is living in a different world. I am worried about Nepal…I am really worried about Nepal.
Boy did I say MARK MY WORD so many times but I would like to say one more time mark my word.
Congratulations! Welcome in the club of secular states!
Secularism is essential, to let the people feel, that nobody will be looked upon differently because of his culture and religion.
So funny, that the people, who have lamented about Brahmin domination of the state are now shedding tears for the Hindu Kingdom.
If Hinduism needs a king, they shall keep him, but in fact no religion needs a state, as the home of religion is in the heart of the people. Religion belongs to culture and everybody shall be guaranteed the right to live his own religion for him/herself.
Freedom needs more tolerance. It will take time for Nepal to develop this kind of social and cultural tolerance after years of rule of intolerance, empowered by the barrels of the two guns, Nepal has almost been destroyed by.
And one thing is true, this declaration had much more reasons to be joyful too!
AHIMSA knows: Kings are history!
mike ji,
I don’t trust Girija either. However, you may have heard the most stupidest thing, but it is the wisest thing I ever hear in my life, if we love to welcome the peace in Nepal.
You need not worry the present state of Nepal; I ask you to share the joys all Nepalese are rejoicing.
Girija will have to vacate the chair soon to the elected one by the people.
It is easy to declare but it is very hard to implement. The problem is how to bring the Maoists in the mainstream. They are asking PMship already. They say that they were are also the parallel govt and have every right to raise the taxes.It is a rediculous arguement. SPA should not say yes, yes all the time to their demands. Now they should expand the cabinet and make the negotiating team immediately.
Try to invite UN to discuss the process of surveillance of weapons. Do not bring Indian troops for that because it will have negative impact both inside and out side the country particularly in other samall SAARC countries.
With mushrooming Mosques on Nepal & UP border, and very strong ISI presence, it is a matter of time before the country is run over by Slimes and their fellow travellers the commies and also now just see how chrsitain missionaries will pump money into Nepal so that the entire country is converted to Christianity with western values of just sex and drugs being Nepalese culture!!!
I am amazed that still you all are not aware of what is true secularism and what is happening to India due to sickular (secular) ideology!!
Lets see how the governemtn implements all this. Or else, i will have to start an revolution in Nepal, which i am capable of. I am talented.
Mike:
One of your precinct for secularization as bad idea was that “Our country was built on HINDU principal”,
Exactly, Char Jat Chhatis Barna Right?, The king and the clan are gods, while chettris as army and Bahuns as preists serve the king and safeguard their lineage and the rest play merry go round with meagre subsistent based survival.
But it is not about religion, it’s about oppression, the King was a god according to the religion, there is jaat-discrimination, I have experienced that. It is trying to get rid of those things, so just like people in the villages need more attention, likewise the people whose lineage have been blatently discriminated against need more attention.
One one hand you say you are religious and you cannot digest this thing and on the other you give the India Example, no one is going to bar you from being religious, I think even Dasain will still be regarded as a holiday as it is a cultural practice. I dont think we need to compare us to India, Like you said, we are a lot more lenient about religion and Indians are lot more fundamentalists, besides, their infighting between different religion is historical and habitual but I do not think that is the case here in Nepal.
Mike,
While you think about possible scenarios in the future, please also consider a scenario where we continue as Hindu State with Royals and Brahmins deriving power from the religion and dalits and non-Hindus being marginalized.
Please also try to understand whether ethnic minorities and dalits (who outnumber high caste hindus) are happy with the Hindu Nation set up and whether we can stop the blood bath that has claimed 14,000 lives. Also what makes you think that religious uprising is not possible in a Hindu state? We had no Maoist problems for 200 years but suddenly it errupted like a volcano.
I live in a secular country with a strong Christian foundation. However, I think I would be very uncomfortable and leave the country if this was a Christian country (even if it allowed me to practice my religion). Try to put yourself in the footsteps of marginalized non-Hindu Nepali in a Hindu State. In my example I mentioned, I can run back to Nepal. But in a dalit or non-Hindu Nepali’s case in a Hindu Nepal, they have nowhere to run to.
IF THE GOVERNMENT CAN GO TO THE EXTENT THAT it DECLARES COUNTRY AS A SECULAR NATION BY VOTING THROUGH AN OUTDATED PARLIAMENT, I ASK WHY DO WE NEED CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY elections?
WHY CANT IT TAKE ALL THE DECISIONS NOW INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE CA ELECTIONS, in the same manner as it did?
AND LET US keep THIS QUESTION for CAElections.
1. Change name of our country
2. Also our flag
‘Hinduism’ was never part of Nepali identity. Most Nepalis were proud Buddhists for a long time. Then some people came over from India and gave incentives to Buddhists to convert to Hinduism and that was it.
The real Nepali religion is animism. You guys like to scream at India but Hinduism is totally an Indian product. It was brought to Nepal by the Bahuns and the Chettris. None of the janjati communities were Hindu before.
And for people like Basanta, please, understand that Hindu-Muslim riots are much more likely in India than in Nepal. India has 150 million Muslims. And understand that the riots invariable happen in North India, in places like Gujarat and Maharastra where Hindus and Muslims have had simmering anger towards each other for longer than your ancestors came to Nepal. There is nothing like that in Nepal.
As for this Mike guy, seems like some do-gooder Westerner with too much time on his hands. Hey fella, don’t worry about Nepal. You don’t understand anything, don’t worry your head. Nepalis can take care of themselves. Sure they’ve been bumps along the way, but look at the world. Which country has had a safe ride? Its all the same, so don’t worry your head unduly on our behalf. Take a couple of aspirins or Tylenols if the head’s hurting too much.
And Mike, no further comments, okay? Unless you’ve got something smart to say. “10-25 years….mark my words..” Look, we’re trying to do something right now, okay. You don’t know whats going to happen in 25 years, and neither do I. Right now, its for the best that Nepal has become secular. Nepal really didn’t need that religious baggage, it doesn’t need that monarchial baggage. It needs a dose of modernity. And some monetary help. If you westerners want to give monetary aid, go ahead, give, but don’t offer advice please. Its easy to give advice. Some advice from me to you Mike. Shut up.
See how easy that was..
NOW THAT WE HAVE CLIPPED THE WINGS OF KING AND ARE ALSO MAKING HIM PAY TAXES.
WHAT DO U SAY ABOUT MAKING ALL THE MINISTERS, POLITICAL LEADERS, MPs & PUBLIC OFFICIALS ALSO PAY THEIR SHARE OF TAXES AND DISCLOSE THEIR PERSONAL WEALTH INFORMATION?
WILL IT HAPPEN? (PEOPLE LIVING IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES…)
Why, when I type ‘Nepal Army’ am I greeted, first thing with a ‘Royal Nepal Army?’
That has to change immediately.
Manan,
it is not the question of the religion. I am very happy that Nepal is a secular state now, deep inside I feel proud to be part of this nation in some sort of way.
The question is what kind of secular state are we planning to build? In various websites I read this discussion about Hindusm being in danger. Minors are claiming that this gives them an oppurtunity to practise their religion without any fear. For crying out loud we have even seen the Buddhist flags ( or what you call them) in front of Sighadurbar for quite sometime demanding this same thing. It does raise a serious question you know, it makes us realise that were we so fundamental hindus, that we were surpressing the beliefs of other community ? Was religion such a big issue here ? The constitution even though declare Nepal as Hindu state, it had strictly prohibited on the discrimination for other religions. It is the same thing now. I really don’t see anything to cheer about. Granted, we don’t have that label of Hindu nation anymore. Will that solve the problem ? What are the changes you think you are going to see in the future ?
And talking about India, who are we kidding. We are much better than them in this issue. India being the second largest Muslim country in the world still haven’t managed to find it’s true identity. The country where Christians outnumber Sikhs, the former still consider themselves a minority.
The right of secularism shouldn’t be used to practise religions in more extravegant ways but it should be used to limit the religious practises. Do you want to believe in religion, fine ofcourse , keep it within your house, don’t bring it to the work or school. Building of new temples, mosques, monastries should be prohibited. No religion should be practised in public at all. Kumari pratha should be abolished. There are many things we need to do before we start to celebrate the secularism, otherwise we have just change the name on the piece of paper, nothing more.
YOU WANT SOMETHING WISE MANAN WELL HERE:
We only have one life, we only get to be with our loved ones for nothing but a fraction of a moment in time. We only get one chance to sit and make it better for tomorrow and prepare it for our children. To sit and embrace our meaning to teach about the spiritual meaning of life. If u dont know what it is its about enjoying the moment, and enjoying our loved ones, smelling the sweetness of the world. to hold our children hands and walk the world in wonder not in fear. to sit and say today i played with my child hood friend, had a picnic with my family. But instead we fight over who should be in power, who should have control, who should rule over them forgetting you have the power to rule yourselfs. not only that you spend it enslaved to goverments ideal world rather then what the ancients thought. This world is a paradise lost, and its time to regain it. MAKE IT THAT use your potential for making a better world.
Michael, get a grip and get rid of that acid outta your tongue. Who is stopping you to have that spiritual life ? It is not the governments’ ideal world, it is the oppurtunity for people to chose what they please, so what is the big deal ?
We in the united states have too much religious interference in our government today. We have a president who thinks he has a direct line to god. Christian fundamentalism is ruining the united states
Yes It is one positive step further towards the democratic road. Religious and cultural tolerance has been from centuries the Hallmark of Nepalese Identity.
Even after being a Secular Nepal, all various religious existing cultural practices will remain intact as has been the case. It will create another chance to preserve and strenghten indeginous language and socio-cultural practices specially animism and shamanism together with other personnel religious preferences as people choose to practice and adopt.
I agree 100% with Bridohi, now we must focus on first of all disarm Maoists, create a conducive environment under UN inorder to finally CHECK all top brass Maoists leader BARRING THEM from becoming DESPOT COMMUNIST DICTATORS and punish them for their hineous crimes and atrocities which had been committed for the last 10 yrs.
It is ridiculous from Maoists side to demand 50% of Tax and equally obsurd and foolish for Madhav Nepal to support that PLA should be supported by Nepalese Tax Payers Money. The simple and most effective solution is just to assimilate PLAs into Nepalese Army collectively.
Now after curbing the power of King it is time to implement Mallik Report and begin to neck all corrupt past and present political leaders-cadres, MPs, beaurocrats, administrators, judiciary, diplomats, ministers, businessmaen to declare their properties and give back all ill gotton properties and materials back to National Coffer and hence give proper treatment and punishment for thier crimes.
Change the Public Service Commission, make all examinations in English medium except the individual national languages so that people from all tribes, race and gender can compete for Government and Public Posts. The Official languages also must be mostly in English followed by Nepali and translations into other ethnic languages.
All education must be conducted in English medium specially Mathematics, Science from the beginning. Inclusion of various National languages as optional subjects along with Foreign languages like Chinese, Japanese and major other Western languages as per need to Tourism Sectors.
Creation of proper infrastructurs and opportunity locally for possible tourists attractions throughout Nepal researching on local natural and cultural resources.
Provision of stringent rules against Corruption, briberies etc. in both Government and Public Offices at all levels.
These are just few thoughts……… there are so much to be done !!!!!!!!!
Long Live New Nepal and Nepalese Identity
I don’t think bing a seculer country, slaughtering of cows, which most of us don’t eat, will take palce easily in our society. Only some communities in nepal eat beaf and they have been doing it secerately long before. Even the slaughtering of buffalo in a public place is not accepted. So it should not be a big deal if people eat beaf and they dont slaughter it in public, what is the problem. This should not be a major topic of discussion in the present situation. There are more serious things to discuss about. Let’s discuss about the army. What will they do? Will they accept the HOR decleration? What will be the Gyanendra’s next action? what will be the international opinion? When the talks betn.
Nepal government and Maoists take place? what will be the outcome of the talk? When will be CA assembly election? what will be the issues in CA? Is there any chance of army ku?? Don’t we need to be alert for this? what should be the role of general public in present context? There are so many important issues than slaughtering of a cow. Let’s don’t give any chance of relegious conflict in our society. Nepalese are not extremists. whether they are hindus, muslims, buddhists or christians or any other religious group. There are few idiots like shiva sena who tries to rise these foolish talks amongst us. Let’s don’t be their puppet and finish this cow slaughtering talk right now. Let’s discuss about our(nepali citizens) responsibility. Leaders have done something good after very very long. Let’s encourage them. let’s be a true nepali citizen.
“Jai Nepal”
as if i dont take acid anymore so its not on my tongue….and people choose what they please ya the do then down the road your children complain about it. or u do.Decomercy is a illusion fabricated by leaders.
It is funny when people fight fierecly to protect Nepali identity but at the same time advocate to use English as the primary language. What is it all about ?
keven thats so funny i laughed i somewhat agree. and glade you seem not to have aproblem with english your writing in it.
Michael,
shouldn’t you be happy for what you are able to believe ? I just don’t understand how you get this idea about someone prohibiting you from believing in your faith ? Can you please bother to explain ?
I didn’t say anyone is stopping me but goverments say freedom but do u really have freedom over here u purchase a house and the land you pay taxes, u buy a car u pay taxes even if u own it. thats not freedom. U dont pay your taxes your house and car are bye bye i can’t go anywere in this world that i can excape goverments oppression. I am either forced to believe in what they set into motion, or die or be put in prision.
Well this discussion is way outta my league I guess, but still I believe what you pay, you will get back. It’s a system which works and you really can’t beat it.
It nice to declare Nepal as a scular nation.However, it’s not a victory over hindus. It’s a chance to intensify the brotherhood between all religions. If the people other than hidu treat it as if they grabbed the power from hindus then there will be another revolt in the country and the result will again be REGRESSION.
This moment I would like to quote Neil Armstrong.
“A small step but a giant leap”
Let us unite as Nepali. This caste/religion system has divided us for years. It is time to build our nation. Let us join hands in hands and forget our bitter past. Lets be progressive. Lets be optimistic (rather than seeding crapy ideas like Shiva Sena and alike).
I am very happy that now our country is a secular nation. It is indeed a great leap for Nepali community.
Bir Sahid haru Amar Rahun
Loktantra jindabad
yeh….sant osh…i agree with you…..if nepal is to be knwn as hindu kingdom..then no..why can’t ppl’ from other religion en ter pashupa tinath?!….all religions shud be equal….thats a descrimination….!!
Most intelligent posters seem to be ok with the secular state declaration. I guess there will always be some people who find it difficult to be secular-religious bigotry exists in Nepal too.
Funny part is Prithivi Narayan Shah is taking the Red Flag.
In my view, just reading a paper is nothing. If it gets implemented, then it is good. But not all decisions are made with careful discussion.
A mob in the street has more power than these stupid politicians….the mob says …change the country’s name..and it will be done ?.its a pity…
It is one sided and hurried. Like some people said….making the country secular is gonna raise hell of problems..
..the recent decision by the indian govt to reserve 50% of seats to backward classes for govt jobs and studies in technical colleges is making hard-working students and youth fight in a do or die situation.
Well all religions have their positive and negative aspects.
The cow is a sacred animal to Hindus and that should be respected. Hey let us not sensationalize the issue of the cow to create doubts or divisions in peoples minds. This is how rumours get started…(Remember Hritik Roshan)
We are at crossroads here in Nepal. We have much more important issues to look at which is peace and stability.
It is dissatisfactory that Nepal has been declared secular state without any discussion. However, Nepal will always be a Hindu Samskritik Rastra though it won’t be technically. With the great philosophical tradition of Vedic culture, Nepal will emerge even significantly as Hindu center. It will come with its real glory, which was under shadow due to melting of Hinduism and monarchy in same pot.
Another thing, the proclamations aims to establish ceremonial monarchy in Nepal in real sense. Maoists and other short-sighted persons/groups will try to vandalize it, but we are firmly standing in favor of ceremonial monarchy.
Democrat Nepali
Prakashji,
Give Thekka to bharat keshar Singh and his followers to save hinduism. he is better person for that. I do not know where he is now.
Regarding ceremonial king i agree with you. The massacre of whole family of king Birendra raises doubts, because after that incident, how KG tried to take power from the people. Now I have suspicion that royal massacre was pre-planned.
Who dare to slaughter Cow openly!
All nepalease must be aware of the fact that COW is our national animal!!
Hinduism is not thekka of Bharat keshar or like. THere were Yogi Narahari Nath and Pandit Narayan Pokharel too. Pandit jee was killed by brutal Maoists. Let’s expell bharat keshar and like form hindu federation. Let’s restore people like yogi jee and pandit jee in the leadership of hindu federation. Spirituality is most important factor even in post-industrial society. It has been proved. Nepal’s vedic inheritance is something that makes us victorious over millions and millions years coming.
There was no need to declare country secular. Nepal is was and will be hindu rastra.
Saudi arabia is muslim country. Vatican is christian country. Mecca is to muslims, vatican is to christians what nepal is to hindus.
Hindus are third largest religion in world.
What is done is done. Personally I did’nt see any reason to pronounce Nepal a secular state. We have always been a safe haven and oasis for all religions. I see it as the removal of something unique. Further, I very much doubt that this will help Nepal get closer together, I think the opposssite will happen. Village people are the ones who are very conservative about these things. This will divide the country more.
I also noticed Mr. Hridesh Tripathi from Satbhavana party speaking in Hindi in parliament. Well I think this itself is also part of being secular, and like I said what is done is done. However, this should mean that we should be allowed to speak in any of our languages in parliament, and especially English, because many of our urbanites let’s face it have English medium education, and it should in no way be seen as a foreign language, it is a universal language and even the Indians have it as one of their key languages in and out of parliament. Look around us, we have everything written in Nepali but also English (sign boards, notices, advertisments, this blog site etc. etc.). So English should be given due recognition as a language to be used as well. I think this is a very important issue as Nepal can truly be understood by the world better and this would only benefit our economy and image.
sl;
Finally good to see a sensible person speaking in middle of all bhedas who are just happy because a useless decleration was made in between.
Answer me this since nepal is secular now…
1. Will you allow cow slaughter?
2. Will you allow muslims to go to parliament with their own cap? What will you say if they insist on not wearing dhaka topi or daura suruwal because it is related to neplese hinduism?
3. Will you allow remove the picture of pashupati nath temple from each and every note?
4. All coins of nepal have some temple, trishul sign etc. Will you change that?
5. Will you give national holiday for id? for christmas?
6. Will you change official calender to christian calendar followed in most of the countries?
And many more… nepal is going to lose its unique cultural place in world.
Even the United Kingdom is not a secular country. Now we are. If we take it in the correct spirit it is alright, if not we may end up with muslims saying that they will want to practice their muslim laws which will be very different from our Nepali laws. How do we tackle that? The British are not secular so when the muslims there said that muslim law should be enforced for muslims, the govt. said take a hike we are not a secular state.
When the Dalai Lama wants to visit what do we tell him? Do we piss China off now that it is a secular state? People ave already mentioned the slaughter of cows, but have a look at the other side, how about the slaughter of pigs? We will also definitely have an influx of misssionaries and evangelists coming in to convert people into Chritianity, who knows by the end of all this we could end up a majority nation of Christians?
I like the idea though of sl that English has to be a national language. We discuss with it here, we have it on our TV and everywhere. I do believe this will help our nation a great deal in this day and age of globalisation.
Ck2.
Exactly dear friend. People have to understand that hinduism in nepal needs reform to make society better. This declaration is not well thought out. Most country with high religious intolerance are secular countries. There are reasons why it is so.
Hinduism needs reform but declaring secular will only deform it. People who are unsatisfied will opt for other religions rather than making their religion better.
It took missionaries 400 years to convert whole brazil into christian country. With present day information technology it will take much less time for nepal. Also note that there are no anacondas here to stop missionaries.
Just to take revenge to Bharat kishori Singh and the king, the SPA declare secular state which is totally nonsense. It is divinding the nation not uniting. Even in the name of Hindu country, people were free to respect their gods and culture except cow is not allowed to slaughter. The stupidity of SPA will bring long term effect and drastic change in our culture. The globalisation doesnot mean to change the culture politically. I think people will not tolerate for emphasising unnecessary things just to become popular infront of certain sector. This will bring differences among the united people once people start to slaughter cow.
If Girija doesnot give damn to the god doesnot mean people will not give. If Madhav doesnot obey the hindu culture even in the death of his mother doesnot meand people follow him. Even in the developed country and educated person go to the church and follow their tradition. This is totally mess…..decision…
Lets change the flag of nepal. It has no green color for muslims, no white color for christians… It is totally hindu flag… its shape is also like the hindu flags used in temples and used by people in mahabharat time.
Lets make a green, red, white flag like india.
Now the television news anchor should not say ‘namaste’ at end of news. He should say ‘god bless u, saaalam, namaste’.
The SPA leaders have cheated us, those who like Nepal to be “Hindu Rastra.” We took part in people’s movement and chanted agains the king’s autocracy. At that time we were not denouncing our hindu identity. In fact, we had seen hinduism and the king just two matters. But the leaders treated as if hindu dharma is only and only associated with the king. So they took in granted that the defeat of the king’s autocracy is the defeat of hindu identity of the country. But they are wrong. Nepal’s hindu identity is much more inherent than they can perceive. They used their power and removed this identity technically, but the hindu philosophy will leap forward so tremendously that the world will be overwhelmed.
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This secularism issue is definitely a personal vendetta by SPA leadership. As Pashupati Rana correctly said - “the tyranny of the majority”.
Also it is a tyranny of the people with guns who have somehow convinced the SPA to pronounce Nepal a secular state. These people do not even believe in religion.
Lord Pashupatinath truly bless us all!
The wrong thing with people like us is, we skim the top and forget the bottom. Our habit of looking in the mirror but not beyond the mirror is the big curse of all Nepali. Being secular does not mean being secular in mindset. We as a hindu nation, proud to be one, had no religious conflict since the birth of a nation. But now, the floodgate is open.
We speak of secularism as if we have all the checks and balances as in US- separation of church and state. For us orientals (Asia), religion is personal based not as institutionlized as in Christanity or for that Muslim. Missionaries have taken this advanatge and are converting at record pace and same is with Muslim Madrasa. But now the table has turned by unwarranted, foreigners pleasing act of secular state.
Like I said, we are in process to lose that secular mindset by the very act of calling Nepal a secular state.
If you cannot respect rather trample the sentiments of majority then consequencies will follow. All I say is, we are in verge of losing our religious tolerance and this is not good for Nepal in the long run.
It is very to declare Nepal as secular. The SPA leaders not cheated us but millions and millions of Hindus of the world. I condemn this decision to make Nepal secular. Nepal must be Hindu Rastra.
gautamp
No, I also felt bad at the outset that Nepal is no more only one Hindu Kingdom in the world.But later I realised that it was a good decision to declare Nepal a secular state because Nepal is not only the home of Hindus. We have other minorities who want to involve themselves in the progress of the country without any discrimination against them. When Nepal was Hindu kingdom, they felt discrimnated in the society.
About cow slaughter, there should not be any problem because all other minorities should respect the religious sentiments of the majority Hindus. In India, being a secular State, cow slaughter is only allowed in West Bengal and Kerala where majority of Christians live.We should not be the prisoner of Hindu sentiment. Now all the races can enjoy their religious freedom.
The most imporatant aspect of this declaration is that peoples all religions and faith can live together harmoniously in Nepal. They also start feeling that they are inclusive in the new democratic set up.
layman you are complete idiot.
There are some minorities in nepal who want kings rule. Will you do it to please them? There are some minorities who want maoists rule… will you allow it to please them?
Who was discriminated in nepal when nepal was hindu rastra tell me. Who had problem with that except the maoists?
Once padma ratna tuladhar said that cow slaughter should be allowed in nepal. I remember thousands of people including muslims marched on street to oppose that senseless statement.
I wonder why people are silent now. Has the voilence of last 10 years made people lose their roots?
Nepal is land of Gautam buddha, It is land of pashupati nath… it is land of Sita. Its really sad that all these cultural aspects have been swept away by one declaration.
People are silent but not deaf. People with hindu sentiment are just shocked. No one in Nepal had expected such cheating. Declaring Nepal as a secular state is just blunder because this declaration says that being a hindu is not being a secular. In fact, hindu community practice tolerance. Do not force them to be angry.
I just can’t stop me laughing to those stupids who think hindhu dharma borrowed from india and brahman and chhetri came from india. How stupid! Nepal is the land of creation and the first settlers were gopals. That is ancient hindus with their cows. Nepal is native land of brahmans and chhetri. It is our motherland.
Few days earlier, in this very blog, many people had equated Hindu faith being foundation and basis of feudal autocracy. The SPA seems to have heard people who comment in this blog and, of course, to great Prachanda and Baburam. And the SPA and Prachanda must have calculated that the best possible way to revolutionalize our lives and break the back of the feudalistic society is to change the existing societal fabric. After all, we have given them ready-made excuse: it is “for people”.
I just can’t stop me laughing to those stupids who think hindhu dharma borrowed from india and brahman and chhetri came from india.
Yes. Sambhu. Perhaps according to these fools Gautam Buddha was muslim… and thousands year before him our Sita was born into christian family perhaps.
In india for last 55 years various groups are fighting to declare india hindu rastra… they have not got any success so far. In nepal a change of this magnitude is done without consulting anyone. What a shame.
Let maoists know that everyone is for democracy and economic equality. But under this grab no one can take away our cultural heritage. We are worlds only HINDU country. Hindu is third largest religion of world. It is not a joke. Hinduism is not only caste system.
Those who think hindu rastra means kingdom are severely wrong. I hate gyane. But I hate this decision very much. If someone has guts bring this issue to referendum.
Dear Sweet Weed,
It was and is mistake to equate Hindu faith being foundation and basis of feudal autocracy. Hindu dharma is scientific. It is eternal that is “sanatana”.
I think the parliamentarians should not have gone into this secular issue. I know that it means allowing all to practice whatever religion or beliefs they have (but really when has anyone stopped this when we were a Hindu nation?), but on the other hand it also opens doors for fundamentalism. And fundamentalists do not believe in balanced arguments unless the balance tips their way. It is easy to be idealist, but in the real world there are people who are waiting in the wings to make an initially innocent issue into a moot point to exploit and capitalise on.
Let us not be naive and pretend that the maoists have not capitalised on the secular issue to begin with. The SPA have taken the bait. I only hope that when it comes to more fundamental principles of democracy that the SPA have their socks pulled up tight and their hearts and their minds don’t flutter into oblivion.
Sri Jaya Guru Ganeshaya Nama. Jaya Bhadrakali, Jaya Mahankal, Jaya Sankata.
Its interesting to see the debate here from an outside perspective.
No-one is saying that hindus cannot practise their religion or must become atheists.
All that has been said is that the state is no longer involved in religion.
I’m sure that everyone reading this blog will acknowledge that there are a lot of citizens of Nepal who are not hindu. Why should the state alienate them and make them fell lesser citizens by saying its a hindu state?
It would be hard to deny that there is discrimination against lower caste hindus and non-hindus by the state at the moment, as it is hard to deny the concentration of wealth and property in the hands of the higher castes.
This is another reason to separate ‘church and state’ as we would say here, because otherwise the discriminations of the religion become institutionalised in the state, as in fact they have to date in Nepal, and without these changes the context necessary for Nepal to develope peacefully will come about more slowly.
And yes, for fairness and equality to come about, those with the most priveleges must give some of them away.
TALKING ABOUT HINDU HINDU HINDU,
There was no Hindu state before 1990 (KING’s regime).
It is not now. Why this hue and cry?
It was the mistake of 1990
to formally declear Hindu state .
From the proclamation we have achieved so many things,
but people are talking only about HINDU HINDU.
On the humanatory basis there should not be any religious
country. Nepal has shown an example. Others have to follow.
Being a secular state, now Nepal Army and other security force are not allowed to sacrifice animals in Dashara.If they do then they should celebrate Id and Chirstmas too. Even government and semi government institutions are not allowed to sacrifice animals to their vehicles. If they then they should respect other procedures of the other religions too. We must have Id holiday and chirstmas and new year holiday. We will have now four new years holidays. It means we have to cut many hindu festival holidays. Now government have to not only construct and reconstruct the temples but Masjid, Gumba and Church too. The government should also provide the fund to celebrate other religions.
Bogman,
This has nothing to do with the state alienating anyone. People have always been free to practice any religion under the law or not to. There are many governments that are not secular according to their constitution and yet are more democratic and secular in practice. Being a secular state in the constitution has little to do with realities of alienation and adversity. The nation where you have the most animosity amongst religions is India - very much a secular state. Northern Ireland is another secular state, but was and is an example of a country greatly divided among religious ground. While the U.K. a christian nation is the most secular in terms of belief among the population. Nations that proclaim to be secular can be more conservative with their religious practices then countries who claim to be christian, islamic, Hindu etc.
Secular nations have one thing in common – mass graves, and the reason is that they believe the government is the final arbiter of right and wrong and good and evil.
parfula,ram,basanta & freaky idiots like them,
Listen u craps!
I am also a Brahmin Hindu & I am very happy with Nepal being a secular state.I dont see a single problem with it.It neither degrades hindus from where they are nor lets any other minorities to do whatever they want.
It just secures,respects right of its every citizen to practice their religious faith irrespective of major or minor.
ABOUT NEPAL ARMY
Nepalese Army should be dissolved and should be used to develop infrastructures in the country.They may be given extra incentives which will from the money that is saved from stopping the weapons
similarity of ideas between me and gaule
we havn’t gained anything from being citizens of a HIndu country instead it had created crisis .We had to lose nothing from being secular.RAther it will increas the feeling of national integrity among all people.
we havn’t gained anything from being citizens of a HIndu country instead it had created crisis .
Sale sudeep.. what have you got from being son of your father? Why dont you call bill gates your father. The hindu religion that has been most tolerant of all religions. The place which gave birth to gautam buddha and sita will become religion less? Without any referendum.. without asking people what people want…
How many people who went to the streets in last two months were doing revolution for removing hindu country tag? can you answer?
Even if its poor country… nepal is best country for me… even if there are people like KG who misused hinduism hinduism is best religion for me. I will reform them. I will not disown them.
I hope next you will say… nepal should be named china or india because with the name nepal … it is not progressing.
Shut up idiots maoists the enemies of our great religion.
Being secular may be good. But it will definitely invite opportunists.
Big religions that have big money will come pouring in…and if it is one thing people can’t resist it is money (which provides, food, treatment, shelter). Mark my words, within 5 years more than half of the country will be converted to big religions.
HINDUISM IS SECULAR….
fanta,
Will SAUDI ARABIA and other muslim countries send money for Temples?? As they do for Mosques in other countries including Nepal???
Gauhle,
I am sure many of us have the ability to curse others but we refrain from the practice.
As for your claim to be a Hindu Brahmin it is neither here nor there and your beliefs whether you are a Brahmin, born into a Brahmin family or do not believe in God is your own. The argument is about the implications of announcing Nepal to be a secular sate, whether it makes a difference, whether it will create more division etc. and not about whether people are allowed to follow their beliefs because no one has stopped anyone here from doing so (except the maoists).
The ideology of being secular is wonderful, and Nepal has in practice been secular indeed. But, reality shows that the worst examples of religious violence and war have occured in constitutionally secular countries (see #136).
So the argument being, was the annmouncement necessary, and the fact that the announcement may in fact bring more trouble then not due to the fundamentalist elements that are always present.
As for Sudeep,
You write to use our only source of national security to do infrastructure work and then have your PLA do our security work? Is that it?
We already have the likes of the road department etc. handling infrastructure, maybe the PLA should lay down their arms and seek employment in infrastructure work instead.
I must say the two of you make suitable “comrades in arms”.
ALL YOU LITERATE PEOPLW WITHOUT ANY WISDOM, THINK TWICE BEFORE POSTING ANYTHING.
YOU ARE MISUSING FREEDOM OF SPEECH FOR ANARCHY.
ALL THESE SECULAR, RELIGIOUS AND COMMUNAL FEELING IS GOING TO DO NOTHING BUT DIVIDE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY.
JAYA PASHUPATINATH, JAYA SWOYAMBHUNATH.
JAYA NEPAL
Basanta & ck2,
pity on u both.
Now as u cant defend the idea of Nepal being a secular state, u are blaming that we are( also included sudeep,i dont know him either) Maoists.
I dont understand u guys.Y the God hasnt given u the eye to see things in its way rather then blindly opposing.. & blame on others as what u oppose;Maoists in this context??
It seems u are blindly
criticizing Maoists.
It seems u are blindly
criticizing Maoists.
I want my hindu country nepal where there has been no religious voilence and which is holy land of two finest religions in world hinduism and buddhism.
I will criticize even father of maoist if he/they try to take away this right of mine without having any referendum.
Pity on you Gauhle,
For not understanding that I don’t defend the idea of Nepal as a secular state in the constitution. Infact I am against it. Please read before you comment. Nepal can only be secular if the citizens follow the principles of secularism themselves, not by some fart announcing it.
As for blindly criticizing the maoists - well I guess I am blind to see that they are still:
1. Extorting money
2.Recruting soldiers
3. Carrying arms
and very blind to see:
1. The recruitment of children
2. Bombs blasting little babies to bits
3. looting
4. Killing of journalists among other
atrocities.
Yeah, I am blind Gauhle,
And I guess you see them well, because you must be among them.
ck2 over and out.
Nepal was secular state by nature but was being called as HINDU RASTRA, now no more. Up to this point it’s okay.
But if some groups try to undermine its traditional culture and try to impose unwanted changes, we are compelled to raise voice against it. So, our warnings are:
1. Do not attempt religious conversion.
2. Do not follow the policy of appeasement in the name of minority religion.
3. Do not take the test of Hindu-tolerance by offending its tradition. They know how to fight against any injustice.
Leaders, do not indulge in cheap politics of religion. It is a sensitive issue. Limit the change as Secular state in name only since we were secular already.
we are proud to be called nepali.but what is the point in breaking the statue of prithivinarayan shah, he united small kingdoms and made it a whole nepal and we were called nepali. there is no fault of the statue. they are just destroying our national heritage. stop destroying.all nepali live together in peace and prosperity.
jai nepal.
It seems the issue of declaration of ’secular’ state has divided us. And perhaps, this is what the politicians want. What can be better issue than religion to create division among people? At least, this allows the SPA and Maoists to buy time and good excuse to do nothing.
Any day in future, the question of ethnicity may start. In any case, we have bandwagon of city-based activists raising slogans of dalits and other mukti morchas etc. It will be not surprising if whole new ball-game of reservation starts.
..the recent decision by the indian govt to reserve 50% of seats to backward classes for govt jobs and studies in technical colleges is making hard-working students and youth fight in a do or die situation.
Hinduism is a way of living.
Hindus and Buddhist do not confine to a single text or scriptures.
Yet, the question “Who is a Hindu?” is often raised. Some people define Hinduism on geographical basis, while
some others do so on the basis of system of worship and belief; there are
others who link Hinduism to ancient Indian culture. This controversy
about definition is unique to Hinduism. Other religions like Islam,
Christianity etc. are devoid of any such dispute since they are based on
one book. The belief in a sacred book is fundamental to such religions.
Anyone believing in the book is a follower while anyone not believing in
the book is an outsider to the religion. A Hindu is under no compulsion to
believe in any book or any prophet or even a single system of worship or
hall of worship. The freedom that a Hindu has makes it difficult to define
Hinduism.
One definition defines Hindu on geographical basis. It is said that the
word “Hindu” is derived from the word “Sindhu” based on the contention
that the aggressors from the Western side started calling persons living
near river Sindhu as Hindu. Geographical definition of Hindu treats every
person living in Indian sub-continent or having some emotional
attachment to the Indian sub-continent as a Hindu. If it is accepted that only a person living on Indian soil is Hindu, the problem
would arise about Hindu temples of Thailand. It is a well accepted fact
that at one time, Hindu religion and culture exerted strong influence on
the whole of Asia. If Hindu religion is based on devotion towards a block
of land, it is obvious that Hinduism cannot spread beyond that block of
land. If an appeal is made to the Hindus living across the world to be
devoted to the Indian soil, such an appeal can possibly serve some vested
interests but it will block the growth of Hindu religion.
Often attempts have been made to define Hinduism on the basis of some
beliefs and/or symbols. For example - Hindu is one who worships Ram;
Hindu is one who worships the cow; Hindu is one who worships Krishna;
Hindu is one who considers Ganges to be sacred; Hindu is one who
considers the plant of tulasi as sacred; Hindu is one who begins his
worship with OM. Each of these is a belief of a section of the Hindus. The examples of accepting contradictory actions and beliefs based on
different ground realities are too numerous to cite. There are Hindus who
are strictly vegetarians while there are others who are permitted to eat
meat. There are Hindus who fast on some days during the year while on
the same days there are Hindus who would eat meat and offer meat to
their family deities. There are Hindus who openly drink alcohol others who don’t even touch them.
There is no such name of the religion as Hindu.
It is Sanatan Dharma
(Courtesy of Anil Chawla; Samarth Bharat)
The decision made by the Nepali Sarkar was one that should be respected of yet the pronouncement was swift. The executive and the legislature along with the judiciary should have considered about the decision mutually. The reinstated parliament which expired 4 years back should be preparing for election so that the new government would make the decision on the states future as opposed to making it easier for them to stay in power by appealing to the minority voters. Soon holidays like Ramanavami, Janmasthami, Buddha jayanti might be cancelled. Christmas might replace it. Globalisation that we as a poor state want to be part of without knowing the effects and the consequences might lead to the vision that we don’t envisage of.
I have to agree with some of the comments made earlier that religious factions will be created and people will be created of a certain scale. This could lead to the rise of the right wing parties like the BJP, RSS and various others in India.
The question to ask here is “Isn’t the restored executive quickly making different important decisions without a thorough plan” the transition from a Hindu to a secular would have been smoother when nearly 85 percent of the populations were literate. Just like the Maoists right wing nationalists will use Hinduism as a tool in order to mobilise people after all more than 8.5/10 of people are Hindus. Who will suffer here? Well the minorities will suffer. The so called janajatis will suffer. Picchadiyeko community as named will not be getting extra seats in colleges and universities etc. among other privileges that the people from an unconventional Nepali background used to get will possibly be deprived.
Being secular is the way of Sanatan Dharma; being plural is accepting Dharma as the common good. Hence being secular in display is a positive achievement that the government has carried out; hopefully it follows accordingly with a smooth transition.
I apologise if readers are offended.
Mr. Kaushal,
Thanks for enlightening me… The issues you have raised reads logical, rational and pragmatic… However, people are moved by emotions, their fears, their hatred, or their love…
You know, as well as I do, politicians are more interested in seeking seat of power and they stop at nothing… India is a good example. Even when the politicians have ‘ensured’ the upliftment of various minorities and different religions, are they better off? Though the ’secular’ state is in the Constitution, but has India truly achieved secularism? The voices are raised and so many appeasement policies are announced. But has the differences between the various religious groups have come down? In reality, you often hear one group or another bemoaning about given a ’shoddy and unfair deal’ or ‘manipulated’.
What ultimately has achieved through ’secularism’ turns out be never-ending playing field for politicians and deep distrust between various religious groups.
OH MY MY MY….WHY NOT ENVISIONED A ‘FREE & PROSPEROUS NEPAL’ PLS STOP QUARELLING ABOUT ‘JAATI AND DHARMA’. AREN’T WE NEPALI FIRST?
The Economies Of Cows
Socialism
You have 2 cows and you give one to your neighbour.
Communism
You have 2 cows. The Government takes both and gives
you some milk.
Fascism
You have 2 cows. The Government takes both and sells
you some milk.
Nazism
You have 2 cows. The Government takes both and shoots
you.
Bureaucracy
You have 2 cows. The Government takes both, shoots
one, milks the other
and throws the milk away.
Traditional Capitalism
You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. You
herd multiples, and the economy grows. You sell them
and retire on the income.
An American Corporation
You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other
to produce the milk of four cows. Later, you hire a
consultant to analyse why the cow dropped
dead.
A French Corporation
You have two cows. You go on strike because you want
three cows.
A Japanese Corporation
You have two cows. You redesign them so they are
one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce
twenty times the milk. You then create a clever cow
cartoon image called Cowkimon and market them
world-wide.
A German Corporation
You have two cows. You re-engineer them so they live
for 100 years, eat once a month and milk themselves.
An Italian Corporation
You have two cows, but you don’t know where they are.
You break for lunch.
A Russian Corporation
You have two cows. You count them and learn you have
5 cows. You count them again and learn you have 42
cows. You count them again and learn you have 2 cows.
You stop counting cows and open another bottle of
vodka.
A Swiss Corporation
You have 5,000 cows, none of which belong to you. You
charge others for storing them.
A Chinese Corporation
You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them.
You claim full employment, high bovine productivity,
and arrest the newsman who reported the numbers.
An Indian Corporation
You have two cows. You worship them.
An Irish Corporation
You have two cows. You claim government subsidies for
eight cows.
A British Corporation
You have two cows. Both are mad
Basanta,
I think you are a total IDIOT. You are equating declaration of secular nation as the Government taking your Hindu religion away. No one can take your culture and religion away. No one can take your faith away. Are you so shallow in your faith that you need a state to impose a religion on you?
Only thing the declaration does is to make Nepal more inclusive for minorities. And as far as I know, Nepal is a country of minorities. We have more ethnic minorities (some of them misclassified as Hindus), dalits (discriminated by Hindu religion), and non-Hindus than High caste Hindus, who derive their social status in Nepali society from the religion. This is not fair at all.
Just like a white man sees no racism in the US, a high caste Hindu sees no problem with the Hindu State. What about the non-Hindus, ethnic minorities, and dalits? As I have mentioned earlier, Nepal is a country of minorities and just because their voices do not make the mainstream media means that they should be neglected.
After reading most of the blogs. Some hindu didn’t like that decision coz they are not used to with it. Being secular doesn’t means now people will disrespecting hindu god or temple or people. Nepal was called hindu country because of king Mahendra before that there was not such thing.
Nepalese people will live in peace respect all religion.
WE don’t need to erase Pashupatinath temple or any temple from Coins, and Currency note because as being Nepali we all Love and Respect to those monument though all people doesn’t go there.
This debate about Nepal now becoming a secular state is so funny-because the raw prejudices of narrow minds have now been revealed. I just don’t understand the mindset of those who suddenly feel Hinduism is under threat. Try and put yourself in the shoes of the Buddhists or Animists. They make a substantial portion of the country. They never had a problem with Nepal being a ‘Hindu Kingdom’. But now that Nepal has been declared a secular state some Hindus seem to have a big problem. Hey remember people, Nepal has not become a Muslim/Buddhist/Christian state, it has merely declared itself ’secular’. All religions to be equal. I did not know that the idea of equality
would scare so many people.
Nice cow economies! Thanks for an amusing post.
Shouldnt people be talking about how to end the CASTE SYSTEM instead of preaching about religion?
Are Nepalese racist/discriminatory to this extent that they ignore such implications of religion?
This debate about Nepal now becoming a secular state is so funny-because the raw prejudices of narrow minds have now been revealed.
Nothing has been revealed. It is pragmatic issue. People will realize but when it is too late. Tell me when was last time you talked like ‘you are hindu and I am buddhist’? As far as I know I celebrated buddha jayanti and my buddhist friends celebrated dashain… but this new declaration will bring ‘differences’ wait and watch.
Besides who is girija to declare nepal is no longer hindu rastra? People fought against king. People wanted democracy. Tell me how many people had problem with ‘hindu nation’ tag during revolution?
By changing name no equality comes. They have only snatched away the only hindu country in word without anyone even asking for it. Tell me who was unhappy with nepal being hindu country? was it buddhists(BTW most nepalese can be called both hindu as well as buddhist). was it muslims? (I remember them opposing remarks of PR tuladhar about cow-slaughter). Who had problem?
I still dont have problem if people vote for the change. I am only against the manner in which this change has been made.
Basanta,
I want my hindu country nepal where there has been no religious voilence and which is holy land of two finest religions in world hinduism and buddhism.
I will criticize even father of maoist if he/they try to take away this right of mine without having any referendum.
Questions for you,
1) If Nepal is a land of Hinduism and Buddhism, then why do we need to categorize ourselves as a Hindu State? Hindus may not take offence with this. But how do you know that Buddhists do not find this offensive?
2) You are proud that we do not have religious violence. However, don’t you think that the present violence that has claimed 14,000 lives may be related to High Caste Hindus discriminating ethnic minorities (some of them misclassified as Hindus) and lower caste hindus. Are you OK with this or do you want to change it?
3) I agree that we need to have referrendum. You have a right to practice your religion whatever it be. Who has taken away your right to practice Hinduism?
Really Basanta? To me you just seem like a petty fear mongering person. I have been reading posts on this blog for over two months now. I harldy saw a post of yours when more important issues like the actions of the Maoists, the Palace, the SPA, the misery of the ordinary people of Nepal were being discussed. But ever since Nepal was declared a secular state you have made more posts in two days then you did in two months.
I actually don’t care that much that Nepal has been declared a secular state-but if I am pressed on this issue I will say that it is a good thing. Now all Nepalis of all religions can at least feel that their religion enjoys equal status in the eyes of the state. Is this wrong.
And hey don’t go about claiming that non-Hindus were never discriminated in Nepal. How would you know?
Rai and another guy.
Why cant this issue be refered to constituent assembly? What emegergency was there to declare this? That is whole point.
And if you think it does not matter to anyone whether nepal is declared hindu country or secular country you are wrong. It matters to lot of people. And not only in nepal. Remember nepal is only one sorry was hindu country in whole world even though hinduism is third largest religion?
Rai, I cannot agree with you more…
….I just don’t understand the mindset of those who suddenly feel Hinduism is under threat. Try and put yourself in the shoes of the Buddhists or Animists. They make a substantial portion of the country. They never had a problem with Nepal being a ‘Hindu Kingdom’. But now that Nepal has been declared a secular state some Hindus seem to have a big problem……
hellow;
But now that Nepal has been declared a secular state some Hindus seem to have a big problem……
And why should they not have problem? Does the country not belong to hindus? Does no one need to consult people before making change of this magnitude?
What is my right as hindu in this matter? Was it necessary to club this change with removing powers of king?
Can you imagine what will happen if pakistan is declared secular country overnight? there will be civil war. But since hindus are tolerant… lets trample on their emotions and then ask them what right they have to speak out… funny logic… nothing can be more funnier.
Basanta, an advise for you. Please read the posts that you have been submitting since yesterday. Be truthful. For more or less a neutral like me you sound like a Shiv Sena sympathiser who is too embarrased to admit it.
I do agree with you on the CA deciding the matter-though it just seems like an excuse coming from you. However I thank the Nepali people for not being like you. Do you realise that if you were a Muslim, with that attitude of yours, you would probably me a member of the Taliban? You should learn from our Muslim Nepali friend Tajim who had a very sincere post yesterday.
In general Hinduism for me means tolerance-but you seem like a bad mutation-like the Shiv Sena and BJP in India.
Basanta,
As far as I know I celebrated buddha jayanti and my buddhist friends celebrated dashain… but this new declaration will bring ‘differences’ wait and watch.
How will the new declaration bring differences? If anything else, it will bring equality. Why do you need the state to back Hinduism for you to be comfortable with Buddhism? If you are this insecure about your religion, then you should question your faith.
Basanta, I quote you (from # 169)-’Does the country not belong to hindus?’ Nuff said about your kind! Thank God most Nepali Hindus are not like this guy-otherwise we would have a bloodbath in this country.
Peace to all true Hindus, Animists, Muslims, Buddhists, Christians, Jains, Jews, Parsees, Agnostics and Atheists! Let goodness of heart and goodness of action always be your strength!
Basanta,
I agree with you that we need to test this in CA. However, I am happy that this has started a national debate.
As a Hindu, you have a right to practice your religion without anyone interference. That is all the right you have. You do not have any more right than this.
As to your another point about Nepal belonging to Hindus: Nepal belongs to Nepalis irrespective of Hindu, Buddhist, Animists, Christian, and Muslims. Nepali census unfairly categorizes many ethnic groups as Hindus. Also, many lower caste Hindus are also marginalized by the Hindu State. If you look at 2001 census, Brahmins and Chettris comprises of less than 30% of the population.
And about third point about Pakistan, it is irrelevant here.
well talking about nepal being declared as a secular state, i think that won’t affect any hindus but would make the people of other religion feel glad that they are atleast not living in a country which have “”HINDU COUNTRY”" written in its constitution.
that’s it!
Does the country not belong to hindus?’ Nuff said about your kind!
Such kind of declaration should not be made instead it should have been refered to CA. If you believe hindus also want secular country why fear? they will vote for it. And if everyone votes for it why will I cry here?
But I am 100% against giving right to girija and co to decide something that concerns the faith of huge proportion of neplese people.
I agree with Hellow on this point: “…now that Nepal has been declared a secular state some Hindus seem to have a big problem…… ” This is true that will bring problem in Nepal for sure especially the wide spreding of Muslim in Nepal,they are freely slaughtered cows,it is definately risk for the Nation against the Hindu,they will surely make it like Kasmir soon if let them do this. I myself never accept alien Muslims in Nepal are the originally born citizens. Please you guys must consider about this too. Read more about muslim here:”www dot faithfreedom dot com”
To Basanta
shut your trap Basanta. Do not hide your disgust behind the process the way it was declared as you say.
You look more disgusted just because Nepal is no more a only hindu contry in the world. No one around the world gives a crap if Nepal is the only hindu contry in the world or not. Come out of your cacoon. And your disgust and rage has blinded you to see the good part of it: equality to all the religion. And I know your argument would be there already was equality, for a dumb ass like you who spends all day posting stupid comments in this blog without knowing the ground realities would naturally seems Nepal was perfect under HINDU nation.
You say you have no problem celebrating Buddha jayanti, how thougtful of you. So do the millions of minorites have no problem celebrating Dasain and Tihar. You are happy as long as things are running in your terms.
You seem to be so worried about Nepal loosing its uniquness. If it is just the UNIQUENESS you are worried about, how about, out of 365 days, lets dedicate each 100 days as Hindu, Buddhits and Islam nation. no one can’t be as unique as this. But no you will have problem with this too coz you want nepal to be a HINDU contry.
And you seem to be constantly reminding everybody of impending voilance because of proclamation of Secular state. Well everyone seems to infact happy by the declaration. It is you and your HINDU cadre who is bitter and filled with hatred having lost your HiNDU nation. In fact we should be beware of YOUR TYPE.
You are not ready to be a citizen of NEW NEPAL, well you are welcome to hide in your cacoon. And I hope you stay there until your hatred turns you into an ugly caterpillar.
shut your trap Basanta. Do not hide your disgust behind the process the way it was declared as you say.
You look more disgusted just because Nepal is no more a only hindu contry in the world. No one around the world gives a crap if Nepal is the only hindu contry in the world or not.
Try to use civilized language. Yes I am unhappy about the declaration so what? does that justify the decleration. If yes then go and sing. why are you posting here and wasting your time?
Even if it is declared thru CA i will feel sad. What is bad about that? Do I have to take permission from some one to be sad? And the way this declaration has been done gives me valid points to oppose it. 100% valid point.
To my civilized friend Basanta!
Enlighten Us, What are your (100%) valid points?
My sympathy to you since you are sad. You are sad you can’t see a brighter picture.
Still waiting for your valid points.
Hey ugra_pundit, you sound like me! That’s scary. I am using a different name because some idiot keeps on posing as me. Respect to you brother!
But you know you won’t get any valid points from Basanta-he doesn’t have any.
What else can be more valid point than lack of mandate. was this issue raised during the revolution? did people want it?
Another valid point is that it was not ugently required as bringing army under control or parliament then why was it mixed up?
Nepali Corporation
You think you have two cows but in reality you don’t have any.
Guys, I’m an Upadhyay Brahmin and I’m the happiest person in the world right now. Call me self hating, but we long nosed types exploited the country for too long. And frankly, we aren’t even the indigenous people.
I mean, people of Mongoloid blood came to Nepal long before we did. And they didn’t have any of that ‘Hinduism’ crap with them. They were animists. Even Nepal’s Hinduism is more animist than most others. In many respects, you really can’t even call it ‘Hinduism’.
You know what I want? I want an end to this pundit-o-cracy. Every thing has to be blessed, etc, ect. Bullshit. Join the modern world.
And as for the Muslims, don’t worry. I don’t think most of them want to raise their profile in Nepal too much. Remember what happened after those 12 people were killed in Iraq? And that happened in IRAQ, five thousand kilometers away. Muslims know they will be at the receiving end of something major if they try to assert themselves too much, hence they won’t try.
Basanta dear!
You are blind as well as deaf, you contantly raise a question ‘was this (seculiarisim) a raised issue in Jana-andolan?’, may be not, but this has always been a issue since last 3 centuries since the unification of Nepal by Shah dynasty. And dividing the nation into ‘char-jat’ and ‘chattis barna’. May be you fall in one of the upper ‘jat’ so up that you fail to hear and see the out cry of the other two lower ‘jatis and chatis barna’ at the bottom. And you ask us shamelessly ‘was this the mandate of the people?’ For freaking last three centuries it has been the mandate of the people. Obviously if you keep sourrounded yourself by your types and blinded by the false honor, you would fail to see the MANDATE.
I am sorry mandate didn’t come as sweet and slow as you have expected it to come, but it came suddenly and took you by surprise that you even didn’t realize MANDATE had put a foot up your ass.
I am sorry for your hurting ass too.
You are blind as well as deaf, you contantly raise a question ‘was this (seculiarisim) a raised issue in Jana-andolan?’, may be not, but this has always been a issue since last 3 centuries since the unification of Nepal
Very clever but unconvincing attempt. You have yourself said that there was no mandate for this issue. History is not equivalent to mandate. Please look up the meaning of mandate if you have doubts comred
manan, you re-inforce my opinion that Nepalis, whatever ethnicity they come from, are basically good people. I should be a good judge because I was born in a foreign country and till I was 24 I was always amidst non-Nepalis-Chinese, Malay, British, Americans, Indians, French-you name it. It was a result of my father’s job and where my education took me. I only really started to realise what a Nepali is when I returned to my homeland when I turned 24 ( a long time ago!). I’m still learning. But despite all our shortcomings and our problems I would rather be a Nepali than any other nationality. Because I have never known more genuine ‘from the heart people’ then my fellow Nepalis. This does not mean that we should sweep all the dirt under the carpet-far from it. We should tackle our problems and our weaknesses head on-so that our country and people can enjoy a better life. There are many bad people amongst us and it is sad that because of the way of the world these bad people have always held power over the majority of the good people and ruined the country and subjected our lot to a miserable existence. But my faith in the goodness of our Nepalipan has always remained, though it has been shaken often. Now I see before my eyes my dream slowly coming true- Nepalis finally becoming free and working towards what they deserve-peace and prosperity. There are dark shadows lurking ofcourse-such as the reactionary royalists, the militant Maoists and the religious/racist/casteist bigots amongst us. We have also been cursed with corrupt and inefficient leaders. But I have faith that we will overcome these weaknesses-it will be a long struggle. But with the majority of Nepalis having found strength in our unity and now a voice to express our dreams I am filled with more hope than ever that we are on the right road to our collective dreams.
Let’s shed all our remaining prejudices and weaknesses-though this might cause short term pain-and march together to the better future we truly deserve.
Basnata dear again!
What a pathetic attempt to lable me ‘comred’. I am not driven by any political ideology, so don’t even try to lable me.
Yes I do know the meaning of MANDATE. That is your whole problem, you choose to ignore history of past 300 years and only focus in last few days of ‘Jana-andolan’ and make a lame agrument there was no WRITTEN MANDATE of people for secularism.
Why would it be there at all, when the moblizing top bunch controlling the andolan was of YOUR TYPE who dearly loved the notion of only HINDU kingdom. And they pissed in thier pants what would happen if those minorities are not addressed in the new refrendum.
So it was the silent MANDATE that made them piss in their pants.
I say there was silent MANDATE to kill all missionaries? will you agree with me?
Dont makes statements outa your ass. There was not mandate. Girijababu did not ask anyone about it. It was prachandas plan. And now prachanda decides whom I should worship and whom I should not…. what a joke of freedom and democracy.
The 20th century leader I respect most, Kemal Ataturk of Turkey, had the guts to completely do away with the past norms and instill in his country modernity. He even changed the written script to a Latin based one.
That’s what we need to do in Nepal. The past and its stupid baggage we need to do away with. Our Shah Kings are like the Ottomans of Turkey were, corrupt, stupid and superstitious. And Ataturk made Turkey a secular country from a deeply Muslim one, so I don’t see why you can’t do that here.
Basanta, the more you post the more you expose your stupidness. Again to quote you -”And now prachanda decides whom I should worship and whom I should not…. what a joke of freedom and democracy.” Do you even know what secularism means? Basanta you are just explaining to us what an idiot you are everytime you hit the keyboards! Go ahead, make my day!
Basanta again!
Such a voilent thuoughts. Kill people. YOu need to take some therapay my friend.
It’s your insecurity that makes you think all funny things that Prachanda told Girja to proclaim the secluare state and now you are piss scared prachanda is going to tell you who to worship and whatever.
you are utterly confused since you have mistaken your sprituality with your religion and politics.
you are schizophrenic take some medication.
There was no mandate for declaring nepal secular.
There was no mandate for declaring nepal secular.
There was no mandate for declaring nepal secular.
Basantaji,
It looks like you are writing directly from your heart. You are not wrong in doing so. But what is your fear about when a secular state i.e. the name takes over. India is a secular state or is it? USA is a secular state or is it? Pakistan is a secular state or is it? Sri Lanka is a secular state or is it? Malaysia is a secular state or is it? The European Union is secular or is it just a bunch of Christian country club fearing from Turkey’s application to the EU. Is Turkey less secular or more secular?
Secularity just like sovereignty is a notion, and idea that has prevailed to be another predicament in the new world order. The Ram janam Bhumi issue, Buddhist monuments in Afghanistan bombed, the islamophobic foreign policy by the north hemisphere, the killing of Muslims in Yugoslavia, Chechen struggle, Palestinian struggle = Israeli domination, the faction between Northern and southern Sudan, Tamils and Singhalese fight. Apart form Afghanistan all these countries I mentioned are secular official.
Politics is something very unique. Man is by nature a political animal as Aristotle mentions. Is the Nepal government trying to sound good by declaring a secular state? Or does it have its own consideration behind it? Appealing to minority voters or is it trying to appeal to the Maoists who supposedly are non religious. Does it really mean what it says? Making Nepal secular could mean that the minorities might be neglected and extra privilege that they have now might be scrapped as all are equal. Would this change an ordinary persons sentiment to the issue.
As a Hindu kingdom, Nepal neglected the extra protection to the Islamic families during the Iraq Kidnappings 2004. Now didn’t the government have its own decisions, priorities or even benefits?
Why are people so saddened by the notion of something that isn’t there physically? Is it something that the sanatan dharma not sampradayik open to all even they’re part of it or not which principally talks about DHARMA (which doesn’t mean religion) would be lost. Basantaji, the greatness of living your life according to DHARMA; This is Sanatan Dharma. The way of practicing is different but the greatness about the people who fall under the so called Hindu bracket consider Buddha as their own lord. Am I not true? It is this sanatan Dharma which is also known as polytheism to a Philosophical scholar. Taking something like the Hindu Kingdom which wasn’t there in the first place shouldn’t be hard to digest for a intellectual like you.
Hopefully this transition goes ahead smoothly. Yes definitely as we know there will be more right wing political activities happening. But the majority of Nepali i.e. the Hindus respect other faiths if somebody wants to narrow it out like that. Tolerance creates Prejudice. Respect creates ahimsa and hopefully peace.
Sorry if any offence caused.
Woooooow What a debate going on.
Basanta i want to tell you that Nepal was decleared Hindu Kingdom by King Mahendra. Then he didn’t took peoples mandate. Many other laws were passed (without mandate)which were in not favour of democratic Nepal, Hindu Kingdom is one of them. King Mahendra decleared himself Hindu King coz he needed some identification by doing that he had support from some powerful groups.
Before that it was Ranas who forced Buddhist Monks (8 of them) out of the country. Its the autocratic people who decleared Nepal Hindu country and took benefit from it. Its just in constitution things have changed but the respect we have for every religion is same and now even More
ugra_pundit, you are right. This Basanta person needs medication-NOW!
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Basanta,
Go take your crap elsewhere. Slit your wrists if you’re so angry or sad, but please, spare us your idiocy.
Basanta,
A question for you? Who gave mandate for Nepal to be a Hindu State? Did we ever have a referendum to call it a Hindu State? Who gave permission to say Nepal as a Hindu State in the constitution?
Leaders I respect most(in random order) :-
1. Lincoln-was under no real pressure to abolish slavery but did so as a matter of princple. Went to war with fellow Americans for it.
2. Gandhi-abused by white racists all his student life but when his word was accepted by the rest of India as a command chose non-violence instead. Did his best to keep Hindus and Muslims from killing each other and tried to remove the problem of untouchability.
3. Mandela-Imprisoned for 27 years by white racists. Yet when he was released after pressure from the international community showed no bitterness towards them and led the country to a bright multi-racial future.
Is that guy basanta for real my god.
He is the right candidate for joining extremist group like shivasena.
For Nepal things are still very delicate we should not rush to the conclusion and be very careful with extremist.
Very good point Rai.
Hellow,
You must be aware of Catholic organisations going around with lists of ethnic groups to convert to Catholic religion….we have seen them on the Internet…do YOU BELONG TO THOSE?? People here asking silly questions like whether Nepal was a Hindu country for 300 years by referendum..Laughable logic..moronic understanding of the growth and development of societies..Can a Hindu become King of UK? Is that by referendum?? Foreign agents,Evangelists, Indian agents, Leftists, Maoists are having a free run of Nepal..Bush won on Catholic votes..is ready to give arms after Nepal called Non-Hindu state….Catholics are looking at Dalits as a tool ..Dalits will not remain quiet because all those who sat in India and planned all this will misguide and use them…
shanti, do you know why Catholics are targeting ethnic people and dalits? Why are they not targeting others? Think!
Basanta,
If your daughter eloped with muslim or christian what you will do ?
Shanti,
What is that crap you were throwing? As a Hindu, why do you feel so much insecurity from other religions under a secular state? They are not forcing to convert you? Why do you think we need a State protection while other religions do not. I am glad that there are not too many people like you in Nepal. With a mentality like yours, Hinduism will be suffer more.
If you are so insecured, then your faith to Hinduism is questionable. Your fear mongering is an inferiority complex or you want to hang on to special status enjoyed by certain castes in Hinduism.
ck2,
I dont think i need to give anymore explanations about why Nepal declared as secular state is a good thing.You can read any of the post here and I hope u might get satisfied at any one of them about “Secularism being Inseparable part of Democracy”.
Regarding Maoists,
Qs u have raised in (# 150), I have tried to answer them in Post: “Uncle Sam on Nepal: Latest report card”.Go and see there.
I just have one question.
why can’t Nepal be like Britain and the USA a religion-based state with secular identity?
Forget about the king, I don’t care about him.
All of you bloggers here,
I wönder.I wönder alot guys.Why are we blogging the most on issue like Secularism that is such like respecting everybody and creating harmony…Have we lost major issues that needs bloging.
And, Economy of Cows! Wow!
I would like to thank Mr.Gokarna,sweden for such a wonderful post.
& Laymans right.
We should encourage such posts as it makes bloging more interesting.
Mike,
Nepal can be a religious state with secular identity as US or UK. Main thing is to maintain the secular identity at heart of state.
But, if we really are secular in nature and pratice then its best to institutionalize secularism.And this is what happened in Nepal.
Nepal is not only maintaining its secular identity like US or UK, but also proved it by declaring itself a Secular State.
Guys, just ignore this basanta’s comment. Marginal extermists will always continue to exist. They don’t deserve attention. Left or right, these extremists are dangerous people.
The time is to redefine the national identity. Lord Bishnu governing a country is a shamefull eyewash in the third millenium. I am disgusted to read AP news, where its constantly reminded that people treat king as a god. We are not that stupid nor ignorant. But we have brainwashed by our education system that we still owe the country to Shah dynasty and to their religion.
I belong to elite upper kshetri family but I am ashamed to know the deeds of Shankarcharya who destroyed the invaluable buddhist religious texts to spread hinduism in Kathmandu. This as well is the history of Nepal. We need to know the whole history and not only the panchayat government administered history of the country.
Lets talk about cows- the economic one and not the indian version talked about in the cow article. The comment on Nepalese cow was poignant.
Nepali Corporation
You think you have two cows but in reality you don’t have any
plus
You expect the donors to give you a jersey cow.
thanks to laymen for his comment on Nepali Corporation:
You think you have two cows but in reality you don’t have any
to that i would add a phrase-
Nepali Corporation:
You think you have two cows but in reality you don’t have any but you expect the donors to give you a jersey cow.
Frankly, I don’t give a damn about secularity… However, I do care about peace in Nepal.
BASAANTA
LOOK AT THE STREETS
ARE ANYONE IN THE STREETS HAVE OPPOSED NEPAL BEING SECULAR
CANT U SEE SUCH LIVE REFERUNDUM
Minorities cheer secular state
Kantipur Report
KATHMANDU, May 20 - Various organizations of minority groups and minority leaders have said that the parliament’s declaration of a secular Nepal is an important step in ensuring equality among the religiously, culturally, ethnically and linguistically diverse population of Nepal.
“With the declaration, the state has moved towards ensuring social justice and harmony,” said Pasang Sherpa, General Secretary of Confederation of Indigenous and Ethnic Groups Nepal. “We welcome the declaration. A state cannot have one religion. Any state that rules on the basis of a religion is a communal state, where minorities are exploited,” he said.
The provision of a Hindu state was the underlying cause of Brahmin hegemony for the last 237 years, said Dr Krishna Bhattachan. “One state religion means the dominance of one culture, a few castes, one language, and even one gender,” said Bhattachan. “The declaration fulfills one of the main demands of indigenous and ethnic groups,” he added.
Bhattachan, however, said other major demands of the groups - the right to self-determination and ethnic, religious and regional autonomy - are yet to be fulfilled. He however noted that with secularism, the road to these had become less bumpy. “Therefore, the declaration is very welcome.”
Meanwhile, K B Gurung, Chairman of All Nepal Ethnic Convention, said that the dissent voiced by Hindu fundamentalists towards the declaration of secular Nepal is only natural. “Imposing one religion in this religiously diverse population created friction. Now, the state is on the course of addressing that friction,” he said.
Buddhist leader Bimal Nanda Mahasthavir also welcomed the declaration. He, however, noted that religious minorities had to put pressure on the parliament till the last moment to ensure the declaration of a secular state. Similarly, Salim Khan, chairman of Nepal Muslim Association, welcomed the declaration.
Muslim Ittehad Sangh, Tharu Students’ Society, Tokpegola Social Welfare Committee, Nepal Christian Society, The Council House of Tamu, National Council of Churches of Nepal, Shree Bouddha Tamang Kalyan Guthi and the Seventh-Day Adventist Church have also welcomed the declaration, issuing separate statements Friday.
Hey Tajim,
I wonder if you tell me where are your parents come from?? Pakistan? Bangladesh? Iraq? or Iran? Sorry man I’m afraid of Muslims
VSM, Don’t you feel ashamed exposing your naked racism? Where are you from you idiot?
Nepal must be Buddhist country officially. And it might not be a secular country but to Buddhist Country as the world knows that Nepal is the land of Gautam Buddha
In 2046 or 1990,before Nepal is going to declare as a Hindu country, that time the profound Buddhist monk were suspectely killed by the Government of Nepal and declared Constitutionally written a Hindy country Nepal. So all Buddhists were threatened since then-
I know all Buddhist hearts are crying…
The saddest moment for the world wide Buddhist on the name of my country’s plight now.
Well said Mr.Mike,
Good example of India as a secular country. War and War Hindu vs Muslims in India. Muslims are the major problem in India for a many century, and also all Buddhists were destroyed and thousands of Buddhist monks were killed by Muslims in India.
So that I don’t let this history happen in my beloved country Nepal again !!! Government of Nepal must protect Buddhism and must it be the National Religion too.
I know all Buddhist hearts are crying…
hey rai,
Do not try to indivisual attack. This is my comprehensive question that i asked to him. Think twice before your say. I always doubt of alien muslims in Nepal why they migrant to Nepal at the time of Government’s weak management.
Its really sad to read basanta’s comments. However most of the points raised by him are valid.
Why dont the christian organizations who are cheering this decision demand phillipines, UK, Brazil etc to be declared secular? Why dont these muslim organizations who are cheering this decision demand pakistan, saudi arabia, malaysia etc to be declared secular? If this is not double standards then what is?
Any way since the learned fool hindus like girija have taken this decision no point in blaming others. What happened… happened. There is no way to change it now.
Gokarna, Sweden
wow!!! it was your great research on Cows economics , I will take this references to my upcoming thesis, please grant me your permision!!! LOL
VSM.I feel sorry for you. There are ONE BILLION MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD. Have any of them attacked you? Give me a break! do you know the largest muslim country in the world? INDIA…150 million. Muslims are fine law abiding people with families who work and carry on their lives, yes, in your backyard. some of the nicest Nepalese I know are muslim. one of my aquaintances when I lived in Nepal in the 1990’s was Muhammed Sharif, who passed away (his wife Marilou, still lives in Kathmandu). He was a well known and well respected Nepali man. SHAME ON YOU. nepal, like the usa, is a multi cultured, multi religious country, and all of those religions should be tolerated. But being a “secular” state means SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. PERIOD. Religion and politics DO NOT MIX, and never should. Period.
to Shanti, your comments about Catholicism are absurd. we humans have something called FREE WILL. We can accept or reject anything. Some people choose to follow the teachings of Buddha. I have a close formerly Hindu friend from India who is now a buddhist monk in Thailand. Christians convert to another religion, HIndus convert. If some christians want to share their faith with others, so be it! Let them! you have a choice to accept or not to accept. If you don’t like what you read on the internet, guess what? you can DELETE IT!!
But the point is SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. This is imperative. it does not mean you ignore the religious aspect of your citizens. it means that no one religion dominates in the governance of your country and, more importantly, NO ONE RELIGIOUS GROUP DOMINATES (as is the case now in nepal). in Nepal, it is also an acknowledgement that the ethnic minorites are Nepali, too. And many of them are NOT HINDU.
UWB: This Tajim isn’t the one who has been commenting on this site for quite some time. At least he is not using the same email address. Please do not use other’s name.
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Why dont the christian organizations who are cheering this decision demand phillipines, UK, Brazil etc to be declared secular? Why dont these muslim organizations who are cheering this decision demand pakistan, saudi arabia, malaysia etc to be declared secular? If this is not double standards then what is?
Dude why should minority organizations in nepal bother about what is happening in pakistan? We want to make nepal better and we are happy with recent changes including secularism. To demand rights in pakistan is job of people who are minority there. Its not our job to interfere in others affairs.
What is problem… nepal has become much better than pakistan because of becoming secular and representative democracy. Dont you feel bad that pakistan and other countries have lost something?
VSM I just know that you originally came from India too! Go back!
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Now, nepal is surrounded by fundamentalist Muslims from kashmir. the giant mosques at ghantaghar are the evidences. their number is massively incresing in nepal. Nepal is already a great BREEDING GROUND of the fundamentalist muslims. Muslims grow like bugs; they marry Nepali Hindu girls and convert them, they will have unlimited number of children and they will force people to convert.
they use all tactics and will soon destroy BUDDHISTS and Hindus. It is easy to destroy Hindus than Buddhists for them because at least Buddhists know their spirituality, Hindus in Nepal do not even know that. Most of Hindus in the villages are communists and all young generations in the citiesw are violent and spoilt by parents’ money. They laugh at their own religion and beleifs. “they have no religious kanoledge nor they have any love and faith.
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Nepal will be named as Muslim Republic of Nepal within ten to twenty years.
“Pashupati should be opened for Muslims”
Good idea, so that Muslims can convert the Pashupati temple into a Muslim mosque.
All temples in kathmandu MUST BE TORN DOWN; worshipping Kumari is a Foolish idea. How can a little girl child be a goddess? Stupid! We must destroy all our conservative traditions and bring ISLAM, the earth’s only scientific religion.
No no no, we must bring Christianity. It is the religion of the rich and developed countries. What will Jesus Christ think when he comes back from heaven? the rest of the world is converted and this little poor nepal still worshipping animals and sotnes and trees and water and monkeys. Stupid!
Which one to choose??????
Nepali people must choose only one; either christianity or Islam because these two brother religions do not like each other.
If we choose Islam as our state religion, we must choose either Sunni or Shia because Sunni kills shi and Shia kills sunni through SUICIDE BOMBS”. How religious, how spiritual and how pious!
Ha, ha what a joke we Nepalis can be. 228 posts because Nepal has now become secular. Hypocrites and bigots. No better than the zealots that exist in Islam and Christianity. Shame!
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Roots of Hindu relegion is so deep rooted in nepalese society nothing can uproot it. Someone said nepal will be muslim country in 10-15 years. Thats just a dream and flavored with intention of creating conflict between different relegions. Let’s don’t get worried. Declaration of seculer nation is only to spread notion of equality amongst all relegions not to eliminate hinduism. Let’s widen our thoughts, be prepared to fight against those who try to create unnecessary conflicts.
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The magnitude of the tragedy currently engulfing Nepal has not only been missed by people here, but worse, a section of our opinion-making classes seems to be exulting in it. Arguably, the establishment of parliamentary democracy as we understand it, in a neighbouring country cannot be a cause of melancholia.
To that extent it is natural that many will welcome the passage of a unanimous resolution by the Nepalese Parliament stripping the King of all his powers and transferring them to the elected representatives of the people. As a votary of democracy, its biggest practitioner and an avid champion of the proposed Democracy Fund under the aegis of the UN to promote this form of Government everywhere in the world, India should, logically, welcome last week’s developments in Kathmandu.
But deeper reflection would suggest that what has happened in Nepal is not a matter that lends itself to exultation. It is only a temporary, stop-gap arrangement that presages the violent overthrow of the political establishment by hardened Maoist guerrillas who have publicly vowed to assist their Indian counterparts to pursue a similar objective here.
Democracy in Nepal is no more than a mere punctuation mark in the country’s steady degeneration into Communist tyranny. Even as Nepalese politicians, led by periodic Prime Minister GP Koirala were patting themselves on the back for conducting a parliamentary coup, mobs of the streets were patently unimpressed. Several mob leaders told TV channels that it was not the job of the MPs to work out a post-monarchial arrangement.
They asserted that mob power had put these politicians back in office and the only thing Parliament was supposed to do was call for a general election. Following fresh polls, the new Parliament, mobs argued, would get transformed into a Constituent Assembly, which, in turn, would draw up a Republican Constitution. The mobocrats further contended that the present Parliament, which was revived by the King only last month under Indian pressure, was unrepresentative and owed its existence to royal munificence. The mobs said they had little faith in such a Parliament and the sooner it was dissolved the better it would be.
Nepalese politicians who never had a popular base worth the name, appear to have deluded themselves into believing they are national heroes. Mistaking the Maoist-sponsored crowds on Kathmandu’s streets last month as a sign of genuine of genuine mass support, the politicians now seem to believe that the Maoists can be outwitted. That explains the current spell of competitive radicalism. The Maoists, meanwhile, are grinning from ear to ear. Although their insurgency was originally directed not at the King but the political parties, the guerrillas changed track when they became confident that the politicians were a mere pushover while the monarch, with the Royal Nepal Army under his direct command, was a powerful military opponent.
Following the old Bolshevik dictum “Better Kerensky than the Czar”, the Maoists threw their weight behind Nepal politicians knowing that the greedy, fractious and indecisive parliamentarians could be discarded easily at a time of the insurgents’ choosing. The doctrinaire, JNU-educated Nepalese Maoists, however, are probably not wrong in casting Koirala in the role of a modern-day Kerensky, the hapless if well-intentioned Russian Prime Minister remembered by history only as the facilitator of Lenin’s triumph in 1917.
Understandably, therefore, the Maoists have lukewarmly welcomed last Thursday’s parliamentary proclamation. With the politicians desperately trying to out-radical the insurgents in emaciating the monarchy, the Maoists have their task cut out. It is a matter of time, probably just about a year, before the victorious Nepalese Red Army marches into Kathmandu, puts the King to flight, disarms the Royal Nepal Army, and packs off discredited politicians into the Nepalese equivalent of Gulag. Then they would be free to set up a Pol Pot-style Communist tyranny in which public executions would be the order of the day as “class enemies” are butchered by the thousands.
The impending Maoist regime in Nepal will also become the active fountainhead of insurgency in India, besides providing sanctuary to Red terrorists from this country from time to time.
If Nepalese politicians have deluded themselves into thinking they are genuinely popular, the Indian establishment is busy hallucinating that it continues to pull the strings from behind the scene. Officially, India says it favours a Constitutional Monarchy in Nepal, that the King should remain one of the three pillars of society - others being the Parliament and civil society. Even as it facilitated the deal between the politicians and Maoists, hammered out at various safe houses in Noida and other outskirts of Delhi, India claimed its larger objective was to prevent a Maoist takeover in Kathmandu. But now that the politicians are speaking the Maoists’ language, New Delhi is quite powerless to influence events across the soft border. This is not to suggest that King Gyanendra is an innocent victim of wily politicians and hardened mass murderers masquerading as Maoists. His own megalomania and the absence of sophistication in his drive towards absolute monarchy undoubtedly accelerated his own downfall. He was no Czar Nicholas II, but at present his position is probably more pathetic than that of Russia’s last Emperor. Unless he evacuates the Narayanhiti Palace in the foreseeable future, King Gyanendra runs the risk of his residence being overrun by Maoist mobs baying for his blood while spineless politicians apprehensively applaud the rise of “people power”. In just three months, Nepal has broken with its centuries-old traditions and stable social order. In a sickening attempt to earn brownie points from Maoists, the politicians have scrapped even the Hindu Kingdom appellation that Nepal hitherto proudly bore. Actually, there was no popular demand to shed this tag. But Nepalese politicians, crawling when asked only to bend, decided to play midwife to the country’s transition to an anachronistic form of communism. If the parliamentary proclamation gets implemented, the King will no longer be regarded as the avatar of Vishnu, a status he has enjoyed since time immemorial.
Nor will the Royal Nepal Army owe allegiance to the monarchy. The disbanded soldiers would probably be massacred, while a few may get absorbed into the Maoist killing machine. Sadly, this will be welcomed by India’s chattering classes as a triumph of democracy and secularism. It is not realised that personalities can be replaced but institutions once demolished cannot be rebuilt. The too-clever-by-half policy towards Nepal has ended in India’s humiliation and irrelevance.
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Even the cultural bonding that decreed that priests of Pashupati Nath Temple necessarily be Namboodiri Brahmins from Kerala will probably get scrapped soon ending the communion between the only two Hindu peoples of the world. Who knows, the Maoists may even ban Hinduism altogether in Nepal. Our secularists will probably applaud that too.
Why evryone seems happy about HOR procliammation?
I am a patriotic Nepali. I don’t have any interest in politics or whatever. I am a quite NEPALI what they call me in my MBA class in MCNY, NYC. But I am force to be aggressive due to the recent proclamation of HOR that Nepal will be declared as a secular nation, but not only Hindu Kingdom in world.
We don’t have a history of 100 or 200 years, for more than five millennium we are Hindu and we will be Hindu as long as Nepal lives. We should not let anyone play their dirty games with our holy country. They can do whatever with king and other system just don’t interfere with our religion.
If you are a Nepali and Hindu/Buddhist please don’t keep quite let us all be united and protest against the movement. Nepal should remain a HINDU NATION FORVER.
I wrote this email but my fren gave me than name of self procliamed saviour of Hindu.
I respect all the religion, but, that doesn’t mean that I sould give up my proirites. There are lots of Indian in Nepal so we can eaisly be part of India, Never……..
Amit
At least, you should change your headline because the majority of Nepali people are not celebrating for secularism. Rather, they are debating.
nirmal
“I am a nepali first then a Muslim”
Tajim
I am so proud of you. Yes we should keep this feeling for ever. Lets make this country an example of religious tolarance.
I am also a Nepali first then a Hindu.
C’mon you guys why are you mourning Nepal becoming a secular state as if it is the death knell of the great religion? Surely Hinduism does not need to be backed by the state to surivive and flourish?
Secularism is very compatible to democracy and in some cases like our country where Brahmins, Chettris and Thakuris have dominated state power perhaps even essential.
When the sate religion was Hinduism you expected Nepalis of other religions to accept it and we did. Now that Nepal is secular you suddenly seem to have a problem. That sounds like double standards to me.
In Nepal now all religions are equal. You have a problem with equality? Come on!
@Kirat.
When the sate religion was Hinduism you expected Nepalis of other religions to accept it and we did. Now that Nepal is secular you suddenly seem to have a problem. That sounds like double standards to me.
There are many countries in world who are called christian country but are secular in nature. Let nepal be called hindu nation. Nepal was is and will be secular in nature. Since nepal has its history,culture and many things associated with hinduism and since hindus form majority of nepalese and since it is only one hindu country in whole world… it is highly inappropriate to change such thing just like a joke… without any discussion.
I guess you are not a hindu by religion. Lets assume you follow kirat religion as per your DP. Now whether nepal is called ’secular’ country or ‘hindu’ country why should it matter to you? Both are equivalent for you… both are not your religions name. But to a hindu like me it matters. Hope you try to understand it.
Hinduism is worlds third largest religion. Ramayan is related to nepal… its birth place of sita. Mahabharat has many events that took place in modern day nepal. I dont remember exactly but either balmiki or ved vyasha was born in nepal. It is completely wrong to say that hinduism is foriegn religion to nepal… hinduism and buddhism have their roots in nepal.
If buddhists feel left out… lets name nepal hindu-buddhist country. Gautama Buddha is as dear to hindus as he is to buddhists. But naming the worlds only hindu country with continuous shared history with hinduism as secular wont be acceptable to any proud hindu.
All events have bigger events their wombs. Declaring Nepal a secular country carries very deep meanings and will invite repercussions that will be unbearable for both nations, Nepal as well as India.
Now, their will be new ’secular’ guests entering Nepal via porous borders of India (with Nepal and Bangladesh), setting up ’secular’ institutions where ’secular’ population will be trained to further ’secularise’ Nepal and India. Secular support from Communist Parties of India will be readily available. ‘Fast-breeders’ will be very soon dreaming of having a competition with ’secular’ population numbers in India to make Nepal ‘as secular’ as Pakistan.
This may sound far-fethched today, but so was the creation of Pakistan and an Islamic Bangladesh to most of us 60 years back. One can for example look at ’secular pockets’ in every city of India that have more in common with ’secular Pakistan’ than with India.
Basanta, Well they shot Gandhi, perhaps you should have a go at Girija and Prachanda. You and some other posters here seem to be that type of a person.
If you want to talk about history and culture you will find Nepal’s recorded history starts with Kirats. Kirats ruled this region for a thousand years. Go check the facts.
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I have been living in USA for the last twenty years. I have always hated the criminals of the palace-the shah families. NEPAL SHOULD BE A FULL REPUBLIC; THE KING SHOULD BE MADE A NORMAL NEPALI CITIZEN AND THEN HUNG.
There is one thing which strikes me the most; what made the parliament declare Nepal as a secular country???????
People are celebrating the VICTORY and I am most happy too but I am shocked to see how little Nepali people know about today’s global geo-political structure.
“Nepal has been freed from one demon but it is caught in the hands of a greater danger.”
I do not like BJP and I have nothing to do with Indian politics. But declaring Nepal as a secular country is a CULTURAL SUICIDE. Nepal has invited its trouble, the same problem that India and Pakistan are going through.
At this time Nepal is totally surrounded by Muslim fundamentalists. They will make Nepal a graveyard in 10-15 years if Nepali people do not submit to them and convert into Muslim religion. they have spread all over the world with the same slogan. This declaration of secularism is going to benefit ONLY TO THEM and is going to destory our heritage. The most harm will be done to the indiginous ethnic cultures. Muslims and christians only GOAL IS TO CONVERT AND SPREAD and nepal’s people’s ignorance is a great benefit to them.
“Our leaders have deceived us.”
Now, MMuslims will destroy Nepal’s culture as they have done to all lands over the centuries.
SECULARISM PROMOTES ONLY THE MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIAN MISSINARIES. They have already planted their roots at the heart of Kathmandu and now are expanding their oil money to convert people.
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Sudeep,
Do you have 70 crore rupees? We can have a protest going for this secularism business if you have the money. Infact, we can have Janandolan 3.
By declaring itself aSecular Nation, Nepal has lost its identity, its point of difference with India. Now, it isjust like any other province of India that has a language, a local police and a flag to call its own. Nepal was differentas it was a Hindu Nation, reverred here in India by millions as the single Hindu bastion that never succumbed to ‘conversion’ or to Moslem sword.
Your stand to losse this respect now.
The picture Roshan (#231)paints with historical precedent, Indian’s ad-hoc policy and internally fractured political party is very apt, excatly what is happening in Nepal. I just pray his conclusion that the Maoist will take over is never realized.
sri says:
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:21 pm
Sudeep,
Do you have 70 crore rupees? We can have a protest going for this secularism business if you have the money. Infact, we can have Janandolan 3.
i am in favour of secularism as most of nepalese
Sudeep,
That’s right, I forgot you don’t need to because you are in favour of the secular announcement, but then you do agree that the lack of protests does not necessarily reflect peoples views, and an andolan can be garnered through money also. It took 14 months for the SPA and maoists to get together 70 crores and the people needed for their janandolan 2, so maybe you speak too soon with regards to “protests” for this secularism business as well. When the effects of this declaration starts to show just like the effects of the Feb. 1 takeover by KG, believe me you will get your protests. Till then.
Good for Nepali people to go for secularism. You have many brothers and sisters in middle east who are guests of muslim nations and it is good for relation now.
Allah o Akbar!
I strongly support the views expressed by Basanta,Kushal and Ashutosh etc.We 90% of the hindu people cant be deceived for the happiness of 10% people by the odecision made by Girija alone.let this point also be included in the constituent assembly poll. Then the democratic people will decide the fate. After all we all are living in a democratic country.
sri i dont think so
jana aandolan II was to restore our lost rights
for the power back to people
we have already got religious freedom
Only radicals protest for Nepal being secular
A religion can be of personal interest not of nations’
those who protest secularism areeither they dont know the meaning of it or they dont respect humanity,equality and fraternity
those are intolerant and radicals
its beginning
we need secularism in caste,regions and communities
its first step towards what is now called “samaweshi prajantra”
Just by announcing secular does not make a nation secular. Nepal has always welcomed the practice of all religions. If the people want to be secular, they should change from within their personal selves. Announcing such things just invites arguments and dissent.
It’s like these old leaders claiming that they are democratic, but they do not practice this themselves within their parties. Being a Hindu state and being secular in practice is like being the head of a household who is respected and followed but is also benevelont. But being a secular state and not practicing it is like the moaists who have to preach equality with the threat of the gun at all times.
Never forget that ‘Demography decides the Destiny of nations’. How many nations in middle east are Secular ? Why, the Vatican is not a secular state? Why does the flag of Great Britain depict St Andrew’s Cross and St George’s Cross?
Remember: NATIONS WHO FORGET THEIR HISTORY STAND TO PAY FOR IT BY LOSSING THEIR GEOGRAPHY.
-India is a live example.
Is this what we fear
read the article
In recent years, a great deal of attention in the media have been given to the threat of “Islamic Fundamentalism”. Unfortunately, due to a twisted mixture of biased reporting in the Western media and the actions of some ignorant Muslims, the word “Islam” has become almost synonymous with “terrorism”. However, when one analyzes the situation, the question that should come to mind is: Do the teachings of Islam encourage terrorism? The answer: Certainly not! Islam totally forbids the terrorist acts that are carried out by some misguided people. It should be remembered that all religions have cults and misguided followers, so it is their teachings that should be looked at, not the actions of a few individuals. Unfortunately, in the media, whenever a Muslim commits a heinous act, he is labeled a “Muslim terrorist”. However, when Serbs murder and rape innocent women in Bosnia, they are not called “Christian terrorists”, nor are the activities in Northern Ireland labeled “Christian terrorism”. Also, when right-wing Christians in the U. S. bomb abortion clinics, they are not called “Christian terrorists”.
Reflecting on these facts, one could certainly conclude that there is a double-standard in the media! Although religious feelings play a significant role in the previously mentioned “Christian” conflicts, the media does not apply religious labels because they assume that such barbarous acts have nothing to do with the teachings of Christianity. However, when something happens involving a Muslim, they often try to put the blame on Islam itself — and not the misguided individual. Certainly, Islamic Law allows war — any religion or civilization that did not would never survive — but it certainly does not condone attacks against innocent people, women or children. The Arabic word “jihad”, which is often translated as “Holy War”, simply means “to struggle”. The word for “war” in Arabic is “harb”, not “jihad”. “Struggling”, i.e. “making jihad”, to defend Islam, Muslims or to liberate a land where Muslims are oppressed is certainly allowed (and even encouraged) in Islam. However, any such activities must be done according to the teachings of Islam. Islam also clearly forbids “taking the law into your own hands”, which means that individual Muslims cannot go around deciding who they want to kill, punish or torture.
Trial and punishment must be carried out by a lawful authority and a knowledgeable judge. Also, when looking at events in the Muslim World, it should be kept in mind that a long period of colonialism ended fairly recently in most Muslim countries. During this time, the peoples in this countries were culturally, materially and religiously exploited - mostly by the so-called “Christian” nations of the West. This painful period has not really come to an end in many Muslim countries, where people are still under the control of foreign powers or puppet regimes supported by foreign powers. Also, through the media, people in the West are made to believe that tyrants like Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Moamar Qaddafi in Libya are “Islamic” leaders — when just the opposite is true. Neither of these rulers even profess Islam as an ideology, but only use Islamic slogans to manipulate their powerless populations. They have about as much to do with Islam as Hitler had to do with Christianity! In reality, many Middle Eastern regimes which people think of as being “Islamic” oppress the practice of Islam in their countries. So suffice it to say that “terrorism” and killing innocent people directly contradicts the teachings of Islam.
Why not add “HINDU TERRORISTS” such as those who killed so many muslims in Gujarat in 2002? Or the ones who slaughtered an Australian missionary family a few years back? They are “terrorists” too. Ultimately, they are all just plain thugs and murderers. Nothing more. by the way there are more than ONE BILLION MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD. A handful have perpetrated such acts. Do not damage the reputation of the fine Nepal Muslims, who are your friends and neighbors. We all need to respect each other. And since when did your RELIGION becoming the only defining label of a person? What about the fact you are a father or mother, that you are a writer, that you enjoy cricket or football or running. What about that you are a good cook? Or that you enjoy sex? I mean, why not say, “he’s a sexual being”. how much time do you actually think about your religion on any given day! I would bet you think (as do all human beings) of a hell of a lot more than that (sex being one of the big ones, let’s face it, no matter what your religion!). Do you know what they found in the hotel room in Maine of the 9-11 terrorists? The hotel they vacated before flying out? PORN. Muslim religious fanatics and the biggest F___ing hypocrites on the planet. Hey, we’re all, ultimately, just HUMAN. some of us happen to take it to more extremes than others.
Ha Ha Ha- Hallau Rai !!!
Who told you that I’m originally from India? funny guy…my face is telling you that i’m not India hahah but maybe your face looks like Chinese ha ha ha
Shadowrati,
Fine comment, you know bro , among the hundreds of Muslims are terrorists and one of them are NOT,
So you are now Praising that the ONE who is newly born Muslim guy who know nothing about Muslim Policy and its Koran bible’ teachings. According to islam,They strictly follow islamic laws as the world is not changing and can’t changeable. Accept muslim means to ready to live in the age of 18 century. As you know Muslim religion is not scientific as other religions. And yes, Muslims re-mix in pilitics and Islam depends on political affairs,can’t separete from politics. so is powerful for the long term. as you can see in Malaysia,Indonesia even in India,-who destroyed Hindus and Buddhists monks,temples in the past? Even in Afganistan,Muslims chased Buddhist monks to behead, so that Buddhist monks dessapeared from there- so my friend, when Muslims get political power they will surely take opportunity to change you and its root nature if not probably you will be beheaded. Have you heard about Muslim Cartoon published by European Journalist? How they came out with fierceful ? but look at Buddhist tolarate, when Muslim destroyed the biggest Buddha statue in Afganistan. So my fren wake up!!!! Muslim targets are long term because they can marry with many ladies and product muslims-no PARIWARNIYOJAN, Product of Muslims guys are their great merit-according to Muslim bible !
I don’t wana write a long in here coz no time fren,but my question is why muslim countries do not accept any other religions? i.e. Saudi Arab,Jordan,Afganistan,Iraq Iran ect.But other religions are fine and nothing problems each other. Even in Thailand,Southen 3 major province muslim terorist beheaded many Buddhist monks and lay people until now. see here today’s muslim attack and killed Buddhists.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5004062.stm
And in 1990,one stupid Buddhist Indian monk came to Nepal and gave speech on Nepal TV,saying that Nepal should be Hindu Country. That is why we are suffering until now ! So Indian is Indian, They are stupid Hindu shit , we can’t say that ever they are wearing yellow robe, they are real or fake monk?? But Don’t forget that the Buddha is Nepalese Citizen,born in Lumbini Nepal. SAVE THE BUDDHIST WORLD !!!
sudeep, that was a good read. Good point about the Christian terrorists.
VSM, you are from India. Spawn of the Bajrang Dal, spilt seed of nathuram godse, mutated virus of the RSS, whipped by the Muslims, you crawled into this country looking for safety. Don’t stir trouble here too otherwise you’ll get booted out from Nepal.
Secularism is a good thing. It opens up possibilities. But things to be keep an eye out for:
1. Colonial History: Most of Latin America’s indigenous people were christianized. But they weren’t just given a nice new religion in which they got to think they were white and have names like “John” and “Simon.” They were also asked to give up their local practices. No more shamanism, no more animism. So indigenous activists celebrating the right to practice Christianity — I hope they also read up on colonialism. Fight Hindu colonialism, but pray do also fight the Christian kind. Anything that tells you you are less (or more) than other people is a warning sign. Hinduism tells you you are less (lower caste). Christianity tells you you are more (God-loving Christians as opposed to unenlightened pagans.) Take note, use your mind. You want to be equal to everybody, not less or more.
2. Evangelical Christianity: Is a big force in the world. It is supported by millions of dollars, and thousands of willing, eager white people who like to spread not just the love of Jesus Christ, but also the idea of white domination. So please do ask yourself these questions:
Jesus was a good man who died for our sins, but do we all need to believe this as gospel truth in order to pass as a good human being? Perhaps you can also workship a stone and trees and spirits still be a good human being? Perhaps you can follow the path of a Buddhist and still be a good human being?
3. Local traditions: Worship of female goddesses (Goddess worship) and animistic practices (worship of nature, sacrifices) is considered to be evil, and the work of the devil, esp. by very conservative and evangelic Christians. These evangelical groups flourish in Nepal, but are seen to be marginal in the US, where they originate from. They are not your average kind compassionate Christians who want to eradicate poverty, and make people happy with the love of Christ. They are determined to wipe out the hand of the devil, which means basically 90% of the practices of Nepal. Mainstream Christians who mind thier own business are disturbed by these folks. How will this play out? This needs to be addressed in the secular discourse.
4. Other parts of the world: Indigenous peoples from all over - Native Americans from the United States, Latin Americans, South Americans - each and every one of those people have had their traditions, culture and history wiped out by Christianity in the last few hundred years. Think about it - anybody who chooses just to worship a kuldeuta, and have shamans to perform the rites, are incomplete human beings until they embrace the love of Christ. Hinduism has not wrought the same devastation, simply because Hindus don’t say that to worship your own gods is evil, or because they may try to overlay with another layer, but they won’t actively try to stop local practices. To many historians, evangelical Christianity has been a devastating colonial force that has eradicated the cultures of small and big cultures (ESPECIALLY INDIGENOUS PEOPLES) all over the world.
Saudi Arabia giving money to build big mosques is the least of worries. The thing to worry about is that indigenous peoples of Nepal, who still practised their own tradition, culture and custom, will now open up from the fake conditions created by an authoritative state and go straight into the globalized arms of evangelical Christian colonialism.
Nepali daju bhai haru aba kaam garna tira laagau if there is any.
“Nepali daju bhai haru aba kaam garna tira laagau if there is any.”
This has to be my most favorite post ever.
“Nepali daju bhai haru aba kaam garna tira laagau if there is any.”
This has to be my most favorite post ever.
HINDUISM IS SECULAR, HINDUISM IS THE PERFECT WORD TO DESCRIBE SECULARISM EXCEPT FOR CASTE SYSTEM WHICH IS BEING REFORMED NOW. FOR EXAMPLE IN INDIA AND NEPAL EVERY CITIZENS ARE TREATED EQUALLY ONLY BECAUSE OFITS HINDU MAJORITY, YOU CANNOT COMPARE THIS WITH PAKISTAN, BANGLADESH, USA, RUSSIA, LIBYA OR MALAYSIA. DECLARING NEPAL SECULAR IS THE WORK OF THOSE WHO HAVE NO WORK. ITS THE TRAGEDY OF NEPAL BECAUSE IT UNIQUENESS IS RAPED BY THE FOOLISH LEADERS WHO ARE NOT FIT FOR RULING NEPAL. THEY ARE FIT TO WORK IN THE HOUSE OF MAOIST LEADERS AS BONDED LABOURS. HINDUISM IS NOT A MAN MADE RELIGION LIKE OTHER RELIGIONS WE HAVE ON THIS EARTH. NO RELIGION CAN BE COMPARED WITH HINDUISM WITH ITS BRAODMINDEDNES, SECULAR FORM, GREATNESS AND IT IS VERY CLOSE TO SCIENCE. MANY WESTERNERS ARE NOW APPROACHING HINDUISM FOR THEIR KNOWLEDGE IMPROVEMENT, HEALTH, EDUCATION NEEDS. THERE IS NO THING GREATER THAN HINDUISM ON THIS EARTH.BUT IT HAS BECAME FASHION TO BLAME HINDUISM FOR EVERY PROBLEM OF NEPAL. THE MAIN PROBLEM OF NEPAL IS SHORTNESS OF NATURAL PROPERTY LIKE LACK OF GOOD FERTILE LAND, MINERALS, LANDLOCKED TOWARDS SEA ITS GROWING POPULATION AND FOOLISH COMMUNISTS. KING GYANENDRA WAS HELPLESS WHEN MAOIST ARE DESTROYING NEPAL AND POLITICAL PARTIES WHICH DOESNT WANT PEOPLE TO BE CALM THEY ONLY HELPED NEPAL TO BURN, KING TOOK EXTREME STEPS OF CURB VIOLENCE OF STUPIDITY, BUT IT HARMED PEOPLE OF NEPAL, THIS IS THE ONLY CAUSE THAT GIVEN “LICENCE” TO POWER HUNGRY NEPALESE POLITICIANS TO MAKE FOOLISH DECISSION OF MAKING ALREADY SECULAR HINDU NATION TO “WESTERN AND COMMUNIST SPONSORED SECULAR NATION”.AS A CHRISTIAN IAM VERY HAPPY IN HINDU DOMINATED INDIA.
Long live Hindu republic of Nepal.
i agree with basanta also i think nepal should continue as a hindu monarchy . moists are among the worst people on earth . nepals or any other countries future is in capitalism not communism the king should be replaced with his grandson . nepal has a place for itself in the heart of all hindus. it must use this influence to bring hindu companies like infosys , reliance and mittal to invest in it under moists nepal will become another cambodia .there is lot of hatered between muslims and hindus in india nepal must not allow this to happen in its soil
Very good I think hindus should be united and nusklims ahould be prosecuted
Prosecuted for what? For being Moslems?? All Nepalis who care about religion should be united against godless communism.
Hindus have offically lost a home country. Every other religion has at least one country that is declared that religion. Christians have Norway, Muslims have Saudi Arabia, Buddhists have Burma, Jews have Israel. Hindus have NOTHING. Hindus are now a stateless people. Look what secularism did to India. And now the same thing is going to happen in Nepal. My country, Nepal, you will loose your Hindu population. Also, there are now protests here over this declaration, so not everyone is happy. Was this matter taken to the people? Nope! Hinduism is an integral aspect of Nepal. And if Muslims have a problem, they should move to Saudi Arabia. If Christians have problems, move to Europe. If Buddhists have problems, move to Thailand.
Hi! Knappe site en nog veel succes!! My sincere greetings and best wishes!
JAI HINDU RASHTRA-JAI NEPAL-JAI BHARAT,
Dear Hindus,
Now Neapli Hindu Communist Playing in hand of MUSLIM & CHRISTIAN WORLD.Save your Dharma & roots.I am not supportor of KING but we personally support NEPAL as a HINDU RASHTRA(NATION).Hindu Genocide is going on since centuries by ISLAMIST.So fight for HINDU NATION in NEPAL & we are with you.If possible finish all islamist in NEPAL & finish PRACHANDA & GYANENDRA too in the intrest of NEPAL & HINDUS of UNIVERSE.
Chief
Hindu Rashtra Sena
its good to be secular. than rather be conversative in our thinking ..
FUcking retards…I’m sure more than half the people dont know what “secularism” means…the people who protest and mob rallies are uneducated fools who go with the wind and dont have visions…at least the journalists should fuckin stop showing pictures of children who cant even read and write properly putting flags over founders of our country…this is a fuckin joke…instead of wasting money for friggin demonstrations and strikes and new parliaments…go fuckin educate ppl.
Dr S K RAI (08:31:02) :
We are right here to join you.
everything might go smooth but i don’t think it will continue in case of religious holidays…what r they going to do abt it…coz nine days holiday for navaratri has been brot down to 3 days and 5 days yama pachak holiday has been brot down to 2 days and it cant be further shrinked…so besides these days even if all hindu religion related holidays r wiped off the calender it will still have loads of other religious holidays and when all 60 or 61 ethnic people of Nepal ask for their particular religious holidays to be added to the calender …when are Nepali people going to work…
Make Nepal a Hindu nation: Hindu activists
Participants of an interaction in New York have urged all Hindus across the globe to work to defend Nepal as a Hindu nation.
Speaking at the interaction organized by Sanatan Darma, Sanskrit and Nepali Center at Shree Satya Naraian Temple, New York City Hindus from various parts of the United States, Canada, India, Bangladesh, United Kingdom, Bhutan, Shri Lanka, Trinidad, Guyana and Nepal expressed solidarity for Nepali Hindus to make Nepal a Hindu nation.
The parliament reinstated following the success of the April movement has declared Nepal as a secular country. Hindu activists are protesting against the parliament’s decision and demanding to make Nepal a Hindu country.
A press release issued by the organiser said, scholars from the Indian American community Arish Sahani and Shree Gaurang G. Vaishnav, General Secretary of Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council of America) Raju Bhatija and Vijay Sigdel, a political activist from Nepal presented their views in favour of making Nepal a Hindu state.
Speaking at the programme, Vaishnav said that all Hindus must be united and rise up to defeat the foreign and internal enemies who wish to divide the Hindus.
Bishal Bikram Shah, a Nepali scholar currently living in New York city condemned the violence and pelting of stones during the visit of His Majesty King Gyanendra to offer prayers to Lord Pashupatinath on the auspicious occasion of Maha Shivaratri.
He demanded that the miscreants, hooligans and criminal elements be arrested and punished.
Various Nepali artists also presented cultural programme on the occasion. nepalnews.com pb Feb 21 07
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nepal should be decleared a hindu country, to further avoid bloodshed in the country.
Let us work for the development of the country and not get bogged down by non-issues such as hindu or secular, or what the king said etc. etc.
Nepal declares as secular country.
It is a very bad news and harmful for Nepal.
Nepal is pure HIndu country so why cannot we call it hindu country.
about 95% peoples are HIndus.
Nepal government take a copy of indian government.
and remember One day nepal is apologize for its great mistake taken by the government.
A Handful of Greedy Bahuns sold out Hinduism.
They Blame the Gaur Incident on Hindu Extremists. I hope it is True. And I hope it fans out and becomes the Revolutions to end all Revolutions.
They claim to have brought this Secularism for Religious Harmony when actually there was no Religious Conflicts. Hindus are the most tolerant of all. That has always been taken as a weakness.
nepal must be hindu contry
what happened to india after it became the secular contry as its counter parts like pakistan and bangladesh become the islamic country
india now suffer from headache for barring the muslims
not now but nepal will suffer from same problem and recall the history of date when it leave the name of the the great and only one HINDU RASTRA
if any one who has not agree with me that they must see the situation of the hindues in pakistan and bangladesh
agama hindu dharma
Nepal— Always a Hindu Kingdom……….
so does that mean my boyfriend can marry me: white catholic women and forget about arrange marriage .?
Secularism is the right thing, it is acceptable to each community, it should be to every community. No community has any right to impose its views and beliefs on others.Religion and politics should not be mixed. Nepal which is the home of diverse group of peoples needssecularism, when the country was officially declared a Hindu state then too lakhs of people had protested, peoples belonging to indigenous and religious minorities, and today they have triumphed, they have got what they want. Now the question of beef, almost all communities barring a few communities rest all communities are or were traditionally beef eaters, that is a fact that can be disregarded, of course with hinduisation some communities gave up, but with those communities again returning to their ancestorial religion and some to Buddhism, they would certainly start enjoying the stuff. There is no reason that beef should be banned. So beef and pork should be available and no restriction should be imposed. Jai Bhim!
Dr S.K. Rai,
Jai Bhim! It’s is nice to see a fellow speak as the chief of some Sena, Brother I don’t agree with your sayings. Just contemplate to what you are speaking and what are you doing, would your ancestors that died of the wounds inflicted by those that you are trying to defend and speak for would have accepted to what you are doing now. Think of the great Kirat ancestors, listen to the beats of your heart. You are a slave, slave of those who have left no stone unturned to destroy us, all the indigenous and oppressed masses, Dalits. Ghulamgiri tyagi Deo! Serving them would make you slave forever.. The Rashtra Sena can do nothing, better understand that too. A brother you are, and remain a brother.
Jai Babasaheb Bhim Rao Ambedkar!
Sonali, and all Hindu frens,
I agree and disagree with your comments,
Muslims have Saodi Arab, correct.
Christians have Europe, absolutely
Buddhists have Thailand/ Burma. Absolutely NOT…
Look, neat- I’m a pure Buddhist born in Nepal as well as the Gautam Buddha was born in Nepal (Lumbini) too. Buddhism was spread all over Burma/Thailand from Nepal, so the original land of Buddhism is NEPAL not any foreign countries as your thought arise in mind. Do not try to put complecated hole to all Nepalese citizens as you were already in.
Be mature, and Hindu influence in Nepal later from southen India when the Turkis Muslims invaded to India, and they fled to Himalayan lands all over. So previously/initially the himalayan country Nepal was found by Buddhist people. Thus, Nepal is the land of Buddhism NOT Hindusm.
Buddhism is Hinduism. Period. Stop the nonsense talk anymore.
As taught by Buddha-Buddhism does not believe in the concept of God as Hinduism does. Could it be more clearer that the two religions are fundamentally different? The ‘ Buddhism’
practiced in Nepal-Mahayana and Vajrayana branches- are almost unrecognizable from the philsophy that Buddha taught.
Why should Nepal be a land of Buddhism or Hinduism? Let it be a land where men/women are free to practice whatever religion they choose-as long as it does not harm others.
Nepal belongs to 89% Hindus. There should be no reason why it should not be a land of Hindus. It was, is and will remain a land of Hindus. As you all know, not a single proclamation by this tikey parliament is valid. So it’s better for 2 of 3 nonchalants to continue being a part of Hindu Nepal.
And you need to go and learn your religion. Buddha never went out to bring about any religion. There is no where written that Buddha didn’t believe in Gods. Buddhism was, is and remains a sect of Hinduism. Howmuchever you try you can’t didn’t the facts.
Anyway, I need not waste my time on terrorists like Kirat above. Move on and better take on some intellectual discussions.
noname looking for an ‘intellectual’ discussion? that’s real funny! Yes I shall leave you to your search for intelligence…
You can’t deny* the facts
noname,
what’s ya name? I think you don’t have land to live so you came here to spread your sh!t over. Every people have their land after birth but you don’t have even name, i know well, motherless child like u have always mental problems so u ecape from the mental hosptal to talk a lot before send u back to the same custody. so you have no right to talk about Nepal issues which you know nothing at all that you mention above is false.
nonsense (21:54:54) ,
what’s your name so that we know that you are not an illegitimate child? you went to ask someone’s name but forgot to give down your name (if you got any), address, photo and video links. i think you need to bury your face in sand.
I guess I know Nepal better than any of you. If not the minute details, I sure the overall complexity.
Idiots, idiots and damned idiots. SPAM warlords and cadres and comrades are so full of them. None, absolutely none has got any brain. You are only good at one thing: KILLING PEOPLE. And that’s a shameful thing to be a good that.
Correct me if i’m wrong, but people of different religions have been free to preach and practice their religion for quite some time now, haven’t they?
So we were secular, but now that we have given it a name, somehow we’re supposed to feel “happy” and “grateful” to our SPA masters. Nepal is a nonstop source of comedy.
so you mean to say that the state sponsoring one, and only one, religion has no impact, relevance or significance in a multi-religious, multi-ethnic country? can people be so naive?(or stupid?)
Sponsoring HOW?
Is it WRONG to say that nepal is a hindu country when a large majority of the people are Hindus? It would be wrong if:
1. The other religions were actively suppressed
2. there was “forced” conversion into hinduism
Unless you can prove that either of these happend, the only thing that has happened is that the names have been changed.
kanak bro there r so many. limbu were made to wear janai but limbu threw them in tammar khola, decree was made for limbu to follow dasain n as a evidence hang the head of butchered raga on the wall or else face the consequences, so many indegenous places, mountains, rivers name has been changed into khas names, like mt everst why r they so reluctant to call it chomulungma, well no one cared before untill it was declared worlds tallest mountains so they hurreidly named it sagarmatha. how were gurung n and magars misleaded casue they formed one of the main military strenght in shah dynasties expansion to beleive as hindu. how could hindu based constitution be favourable to other ethnic n indegenous people.how could bahun escape punishment for same crime while other get hanged. n they received indegenous lands in the name of birta n other shiiits. but i am proud of religious harmony nepal has, its an example to the world. i respect hinduism as much as any other religion. no offence bro…
kanak, sorry I can’t be bothered to reply in depth to such bright people like you. this blog really lacks intelligent bloggers, man!
yes, lack of intellihent blogger like “noname”. He has no brain like Gyane, he is money asslicker, [icd] like king Gyane, lady killer like Prince paras. right now his toungue has been cut, only he can do is read and write. Feeding stupid people like him to reduce nation budget of nepal, using computer with valueless, writing with know nothing, useless idiot bastard. slay him down bitch
dear nepalese,
it is tragedy of nepal by giving up its label of hindu nation. very soon nepal will be going to come to a bad shape under communists party rule. so people of nepal should think cleverly to defeat communism.
lawrence.
Dear Nepalese,
The people of Nepal are enjoying and celebrating of removal of monarchy and declaring of republic. removal of monarchy is good but naming itself a secular republic is foolish decission of the parliament. Every nation on this earth has uniqueness of its own, nepal”s uniqueness was being worlds only hindu nation. People may ask that ” being hindu nation will feed hungry man” but being worlds only hindu nation definately nepal had great distinction. Nepal was a secular even it was hindu nation. it is really foolish decission of maoists to declare it secular, because hinduism is itself secular. The countries which had seen communist rule have become virtually bankrupt when communism was thrown out of those countries.” THE FAILED DOCTRINES OF COMMUNISM WILL NEVER MAKE NEPAL PROSPER AND IT WILL TURN NEPAL TO A HELL AT THE EXPENSE OF ITS INNOCENT PEOPLE”
and the future of this beautiful innocents people will further destroy under communist dectatership. Out of 40 communists state of this world 38 had been brought down by its own people for their cruel and wrong economic policy. but it is tragedy that nepalese people are rejoicing when these comminists are making march to their parliament. The time has come oust these foolish communists and turn nepal to hindu democratic nation.This world hopes that people of this beautiful country elect a government which make nepal heaven of this earth.
d.h lawrence.
Nepal should be a Hindu Rastra and India should be a Hindu Rashtra, everyone else are Foreigners. Non-Hindus does not have any love for thier motherland.
Nepal is the home of Shiva. Shiva is the ultimate God. Indra could not fight Shiva. Vishnu fell in praise of Shiva. Brahma lied and was humiliated by Shiva. Does anyone really understand what the means? THE HOME OF SHIVA? The very soil, the trees, the mountains and every aspect of Nepal flows from the fact it is a Hindu country. When you have secular rule it results in schizophrenia and loss of idenitity. Has anyone tried reading the Upanisad? Shiva Purana? Vedas? Nepal is where Shiva rests. To deny this is to deny what Nepal is as a country. We do no need Christians in Nepal. We do not need Muslims in Nepal. Christians are Jews who lived in the Middle East. What connection does Nepal have with those people? Muslims? They are from Arabia. What connection is there? I am not against equality. In none of the books is there a need for people to be oppressed. But do not jump on these western ideas of a need for a secular nation. Nepal can thrive by allowing for free education, better electoral controls and a emphasis on technology.
Dear Arun n Shiva,
Let’s think naturally, if all of us bring our religion then their would be no end.
Just put a common sense, are there any possibilities to expel the whole non-hindu people from Nepal? Is it possible to lock up Nepal back like years back when it closed down from foreigner where right now tourism is the main income for the country?
You may say it’s the homeland of Shiva but the fact it is one of the 12 poorest countries in the world and it needs hand from everywhere to make developed.
And why you bring Christians and Muslims inside it? They live there, some of them contributed much more then you to Nepal as their country? What make you have any right to judge people have are non Hindu?
Let all the people practise what they believe, even if they want to convert into any other religion without force, by all of their free will, LET IT BE THEN!
It calls as a freedom! The Basic human needs everywhere in this world!
That place is not belong to Shiva! That place is belong to ALL NEPALI CITIZEN!
Regards,
It i difficult to satisfy the need of one ethnic group However, it is also hard to restrict one nation in its believe and this is what we see in Napal. So it is the popular decision which should be taken to decide what suit to Napalese people. We do not want to repeat what is going on Irak.
Armand Rousso
http://education.armandrousso.biz/
hello guys its really interesting to go through all the comments and sad again at the same time..i respect all the opinions that is being said…since its ur perspective..what i feel is my personal perspective…
nepal never had the problem with the religion so why are we creating one now…while we have lot of problems to deal with…nepal being a hindu country had never had a effect on aything…maoist did come up because they were not hindu…or the terai tiger are not there because they are not a hindu..so why call for problems..dont we think we have enough of problems then to rise one which was silent….what we should be talking about is how to bring peace ..that should be our first priority not talking about something else…..do not talk abotu violence and creating them talk about peace and non- violence..i dont mean we have to be mahmta gandhi we can be nelson mendela…or atleast try to have one of them instead of this stupid pollitican…how can we hope for peace from them and better nepal since they are the one who brought problems..how can we hope that the maoist are there to build nepal …just look all the maoist politican they will be busy building their own house…rather than building house for poor people….dont get into their words…they are buttering people which they are only good at…why are people hungry for power???for what..imagine you not goign to live for 100 years …what more do you want……how many lives do you want to take more….when will we stop this…common its we who should take step now….take the bloddy politicans out …do not trust them …
i hope and pray that i would able to see new nepal, a peaceful nepal during my life time and i certainly will work for it since i am a peace student…
Kill PRACHANDA & ALL MAOIST in the INTEREST OF NEPALI HINDUS & BUDHIST.
Dr S K RAI
HINDU RASHTRA SENA
Being a NEPALI i am with Dr S K RAI & Hindu Rashtra Sena.In the interest of NEPAL we should oppose MAOISM in NEPAL.These MAOIST are agent of CHINA & PAKISTAN.
Dear Nepalis,
First we should remove all MUSLIMS & CHRISTIANS from NEPAL.These MUSLIMS & CHRISTIANS converting we NEAPLIS and pushing our WOMEN & GIRLS into Prostitution.And these MAOIST are playing in hand of MUSLIMS & CHRISTIANS too.We NEPALIS will not allow make NEPAL a land for MULLAH’s-MAOLAVi’s & POPE’s people.Even we should support Hindu Rashtra Sena in the interest of NEPAL
who ever they are they are all bullshit……they don;t wht they themselves want……they are just like a ……..wht ever other say say they go on it… they can;t make a decesion themselves…that’s why u all are facing these kind of proble & situation now………
Hello Mr BAL BAHADUR GURUNG, i would kie to know some thing from you what do u mean by HINDU? Do you the meaning of Hindu? why r u against with Muslims and Christians? if Nepal become a secular then wat is the problem with u? bcoz of like u peoples these non-sense things are happening in nepal and rest of the world. dont see who is hindu, muslim and others just think about the country. by the way i am not against any religion though i am a muslim and proud be a muslim i have friends hindus i am staying with 5 brahmin hindus and i am alone in my group but we never talked abt it we dont even feel that bullshit. everyone hav their own feelings god and all u pray ur god i will pray our god let it be personnel think only abt the country how can we make development in our country. All ALLAH, BHAGWAN, FATHERs everyone is the single person but we know him from different name different religion. u know wat i am the person who goes to temple, chruch and masjid (mosque)…. dont waste ur time in differentiate by religion. another thing and that is very important u know what mr BAL BAHADUR GURUNG all the nepalis are working in muslim countries it self. some peoples are getting into terror thats only bcoz of u……
guys dont misunderstand me but i dont like peoples who speak abt religion if the person is really love his country then u should think only abt the coutry.
being a hindu it doesnt give any values and sense that u r true Nepali or Indian.
If muslims are terrorists then wat abt in India: - VHP, Shivshena, RSS, Bajrang Dal, these groups are world’s biggest terror groups… y bcoz these are the groups who make peoples terror. who make people to fight with each other…..
have you ever heard that any of these groups’ leaders has been dead in any religion riots….???… no……never bcoz they only wants to make money from politics.
if any peoples have any questions then plz contact me on nouman.npl@gmail.com
peoples like kushal are the servant (spoon) of USA. boss know the truth ok. what is the reason that u blame muslims???/ if u don’t know abt any religions or peoples then u dont have rights to speak anything against to him. Islam is the religion who spread by love only and who prays to only one god not to many who doesnt have even their own identity…..
guys dont misunderstand me i am not against to any religion i know only one religion and that is HUMANITY…………
i have seen one interview in nepal tv about muslims they are here from the begining of nepal and that person had come from middle part of nepal his face is full PAHADI he said even i listened that muslims come from India but i born here, my father born here, my grand father born here, my fore father born here now give me the answer if the person has born in nepal and he is muslim then it doesnt meant that he is not nepali…
http://sunuwaruk.org/chandra4.htm
“Hindu Religion Is Religion OF Kirant”
By Chandra Prakash Sunuwar
Dhobighat, Lalitpur, Kathmandu
Email: cpsunuwar@hotmail.com
The Hindu religion:
There are different opinions regarding of the birth of Hindu religion. There is literally a tug of war between the scholars’ one in favour of Dravidian origin and other of Aryan origin. There is hardly any third opinion on that though a small section feels that it has originated from indigenous tribal of India. This is because no great man of this origin had ever tried to write or researched to claim that Hindu religion is born from their indigenous tribal faith. According to The greatest historian of Tripura state whose name is DR DEV BURMAN In his research One group of kiranti who ruled and left in Tripura state they still succeed to protect their kirant language intact from ancient kiranti language which is language of Borok race who live in Tripura state of India because this kiranti people were none stop ruled since 5000 years in northern India till British East India company which is later involved in British colony. Earlier the name of Tripura was Kiratbhumi, it’s capital was in Tribeg. It means land of Kirat, the Tripuris used to be called previously. the word ‘Tripura’ originated from the king Tripur who happens to rule the state. According to the legend Tripur was the 39th descendent of Druhya, who was descendent of Yayati kirant, one of the lunar race kings. He was so mighty that he ordered his subjects not to worship any god other than him, had no faith in god. He started torturing the subjects who defies his order. People fled in a body escape from his tyranny to near by state of Hiramba (Cachar).The history of Tripura is very old. It dates back to the era of the Mahabharata. The name of the Tripura was mentioned in the the above epic along with the states like Manipur, Kamrup (Assam) etc. no doubt it was none other than present Tripura, though its location has changed from its past. Tripura’s name is also mentioned in the list of states that was mentioned in the Ashoka’s pillar that is now reserved in Saranath. Hiuen Tsang also mentioned in his travelogue about the presence of great Boro/Borok kirant kingdom in the east of Bengal. The ‘Tripura’ is a small kingdom, unattached with British of India. It was an independent country till the merger with union of India in 1949 A.D. There are different opinion and explanation about the origin of word Tripura among scholars and historian.
Other kiranti people of nepal like SUNUWAR,RAI,LIMBU AND YAKKHA Their language is almost changed from ancient kirant language because of migration and geography and dynamic of Time before all kirata has same language.
First of all the word Hindu it self has root to non-aryan Kirata or Borok origin with Sindu or Chindi river through the Indus civilisation, is not at all the Indo-Aryan one. Secondly the theory of Hindu religions birth from indo-Aryan faith is null and void by the following facts. Let us look at the list of names of Gods which the Indo-Aryan people had brought when they invaded Indus civilisation. Rig-veda has all the names of god which the Indo-Aryan used to worship when they first came to India. Their faith and philosophy were based on these gods only. The rituals, procedure and hymn etc were detailed in the sacred text of Vedas. Some of the primary and powerful gods mentioned in the Rig-Vedas are Indra, Agni, Varun, Vrihaspati, Brahma, Arundhati, Soma, Vayu, Aswin, Rhitu, Marut, Rudra, Ribhus, Savitar, Brahmanspati. But in the present day Hindu religion none of the Vedic god is worshipped in India. The Brahma is the only one ha temple at Puskar in Rajasthan, and he too does not have any day fixed through out a year. ARAD who was post man of Aryan. He doesn’t have any temple and not worshiped. There is no god of Aryan or Vedic origin in the list of Hindu Gods of modern India, other than doubtfully the Vishnu which is considered to be origin of Dravidian. In Dravidian language Bisnu Means god of BLUE SKY,CLOUD AND VAST SEA. On the contrary none of the Hindu gods of modern India is mentioned or had a place in Vedas. These facts clearly prove that the Hindu religion and its gods are neither born from Aryan faith nor derived from Vedic gods and philosophy.
The major Ancient Civilizations:
There were four major civilizations in the world, all of which were founded in Asia. These were: Chinese, Egyptian, and Mesopotamia and Indus civilization. All the civilizations were interrupted by unknown circumstance other than Chinese civilization which is continuing till date.
Indus civilization:
The civilization of Chinese, Egyptian and Mesopotamia were of homogenous group of people, where as the Indus civilization was found to be comprised of heterogeneous group of human race. The skulls found of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro belonged to proto-australoid, Mongoloid, Mediterranean and Alpine races. This clearly proved that the mongoloid were also part of the Indus civlisation. The proto-australoid were ancestor of modern day’s Santal, Kol, Bhil, Munda etc. tribes of central India, Mediterranean were ancestor of modern day’s Tamil, Telegu, etc. but no skull was found of from the site of excavation belonging to Aryan people.
Who are the descendants of mongoloid living during Indus civilization in present day in India? These are none other than the present day’s indo-mongoloid people or the Kirata or the Borok race living in India namely, Himalyan mongoloid tribes, Kinnours, Spitian, Lahuli, Koch, Mech, Bodo, Rabha, Garo, Tiwas, Dimasa, Kachhari, Karabi, Tripuri etc.
Other Proof of Kirata living in the Indus valley
By the name of rivers in Indus valley:
There were many rivers that passed through the Indus civilization. According to famous ethnologist Cunningham any river whose name ends with ti or di indicates that it was once inhabited by Sino-Tibetan race. Most of the river name of Indus valley were in Borok/Kirata origin, for examples the ‘Ravi river’ was earlier Rawa-ti, ‘Bias river’ was Nyang-ti, ‘satlez’ was-Zong-ti, ‘Para river’ was Para-ti, Saraswati was Solsolti, Gomati was Gomati, Jammu tawi was Jomuti/Somti, Tapti etc. It clearly proofs that once in the ancient time these valleys were inhabited by Sino-Tibetan or Borok race. On the contrary there is no river whose name begins or ends with ti or di in the southern part of India, beyond the Bindhya parbat, which had never been inhabited by the Borok race.
Name of rivers and Places in the Sub-Himalayan region:
There are numerous examples that proves that Borok race once lived in the Himalyan region. Places name: Dehradoon>Di-ran-doong, Teheri>Tiyari, Kampti fall >Kapti > Kaptwi, Khumbu valley>Khumuk valley, Tripura Sundari Temple in Kulu etc.
Rivers Name: Bhagirathi>Bagroti, Gangutri>Gungti, Yamunatri>Yungti, Tista>Twisuta, Tursa>Twiursa, Riang twima, Terai>Twirai etc. These rivers flows from the Uttrakhand to North Bengal in sequences.
Anthropological evidences:
There are many ethnological evidences that there was once habitation of Borok or Kirata race in the Indus valley. If through research and search are being carried out, there will be definite traces of Borok race in the Pakistan around the Indus area even now. The Kinnours, Lahuli etc. are still living in the Himachal Pradesh, who are none but Tibeto-Burman origin and are the people of Borok race who were left back at the time of migration. Similarly there are Rungsa who are still living in the Pithoragarh district of Uttaranchal whose mother tongue had been clubbed with Tripura language in the 1991 census and who claim to be Tibeto-Burman descendant. This Rungsa is none but the previous form of Reangsa of Tripuri Sub-tribe, who were left behind at the times of migration. There are many small tribes of Tibeto-burman Kirata race who are scattered in the Himalayan region.
Route of migration of Kirata people in the Indian continent:
From the Dadiwan area of China a group migrated to head water of Yangtze river around 7000 years ago. Then our ancestors migrated from this Yangtze river head to the site of Indus or Chindi river valley through Khyber pass around 6000 years ago, that is 4000 BC and founded the Indus valley civilization along with Proto-australoid and Mediterranean people. This civilization flourished between 4000-1900 BC. The Kirata or indo-mongoloid might have been the ruler of sindhu civilization as history proves that mongoloid race founded most of mighty empire in the past. When the Aryan nomadic tribes invaded Indus valley riding on the horse, the Borok race could not resist them and had to migrate towards the east along the path of sub-Himalyan region. Where as the Dravidian migrated to the south and the Australoid migrated to the east and middle of India. The Borok or Kirata migrated through Punjab, Jammu, Delhi, Himachal Pradesh, Uttaranchal, Nepal, north Bengal, Assam, Dimapur, Kachhar and finally reached in the present state of Tripura 1400 years ago, and then up to Coast of Bay of Bengal at Chittagong hill tract. On the way of migration many tribes were left behind who in the course of time formed a distinct tribes, but there linguistic and ethnic relation still exist. The descendant of kirata/Borok race are Sunuwar,rai,limbu,yakha,Kinnours, Rungsa, Koch, Mech, Hajong, Rabha, Bodo, Garo, Tiwas, Chutia, Karbi, Dimasa, Kachhari, and Tripuri. Another Antropology evidence is One group of kirata people Migrated from Hunan provience of china through upper course of yantse king river and Western Whwang ho river to Straight down to Assam valley and they start to rule from there and One Branch of kirata start to migrate through western Himalayas and came to nepal and after many centaury of ruling they became SUNUWAR,RAI,AND LIMBU.Actually SUNUWAR itself was rai.Rai is not clan name this was common name or title of the middle and the western kiranti people of nepal but sunuwar changed itself from Rai Title to sunuwar it’s not been long.Still sunuwar is called rai or khambu.Sunuwar people they changed from rai to sunuwar because they wanted to show superiority than rai and limbu.Friest of all they start to Adopt bramhan as their guru and later they were put in Title of namasine jati but not for the rai and limbu.This was Aryan conspiration in nepal for how to divide kiranti in eastern nepal.
Kirata in Ancient Religious Text, Epic and Mythology:
Rajmala mentions that Tripuri used to be known as Kirata in older times. The root word of Kirata is not clear, it may be Kwrak, meaning strong, or Kirithaya>Kiritya>Kirata what is fearless. Kirata is mentioned in the Yajur and Atharva Veda. Similarly the Kirata is mentioned along with Huna, Andhra, Pulinda, Pulkasa, Abhira, Sumbha, Yavana, members of the Khasa races in Srimad Bhagavatam. The Kirata is mentioned in the Ramayan in Ayodhya kanda’s sarga 15 section, with their hair tied up in knots, shining like gold and pleasant to look upon, bold enough to move under water, terrible, veritable tiger-men, so are they famed. Similarly Kirata tribe was mentioned in Mahabharata on the Vanaparva section 39. The Kirata had been described as golden yellow people which are the skin color of modern Tripuri,sunuwar,rai,limbu though over the thousand of year of living in present Tripura the colour had changed more yellow to Dark golden.Even though we kirata and Chinese were the same race present day of kirata are not golden yellowy like Chinese people because of our geography,food style etc. One of the most skill full archer of that time Eklabya was none than a Kirata, Bhima’s wife Hadimba was a Kirata women and Ghototkoch of Mahabharata was a Kirata king, apart from the facts mentioned in the Rajmala that Tripuri kirant king Trilochana had participated in the mythological Kurukshetra war.
Gods of Hindu Religion:
The gods most widely worshipped and celebrated to day in India are, 1) Shiva and in his various forms and manifestations. 2) Parvati and her various forms and manifestation. 3) Children of Shiva and Parvati, they are (i) Lakshmi, (ii) Saraswati (iii) Ganesh (ivy) Kartika 4) Vishnu and his various incarnations. 5) Various Guru as Demi-gods who are considered as incarnation or birth of different gods.
Vishnu is considered by the scholars as the originally god of Dravidian people and have derived from word ‘Vin’ who was god of sun and sky of Dravidian. He was mentioned in the later book of Rig-Veda, when he was accepted in the Vedic faiths.
Gods of Indus civilisation:
The most important archeological finding of Harappa gods is Pashupati, an image of god seated with buffalo, tiger, elephant deer etc, with head gear made of buffalo horn. He is identified with the present day Hindu god Shiva. There were also female gods’ terracotta and images found in the excavation of Indus civilisation. These are the gods of Indus people that used to be worshipped during Indus civilisation.
There are many places in the north India and sub-Himalayan area whose names are indication that the area had once been inhabited by the Indo-mongoloid races ‘Bodo/borok’ branch. Prof. Suniti Kr. Chatterjee in his famous book of Kirat-Jana-Kriti mentioned that there was a city of Kiradu, now ruined, with its 27 temple in the western border of Rajasthan near the Indus civilization site. It means that the city was inhabited and founded by Kirata people. There was also a hamlet named ‘hathma’ or ‘hatma’ meaning wide land in Tripuri language, suggestive of Boro/k people’s inhabitation in the Indus valley region. The capita city of India, Delhi is also considered to be derivatives of Kirata /Borok word dwi-lili>Dilli. There are plenty of similar examples in Assam like Dibrugor, Dihong, Digboi Dimapur, and many more.
Aryan Invaded Indus Civilization:
The Aryan invaded India some time around 1700 BC, the Indus civilization ruined around same time. There were plenty of examples that the Aryan destroyed the Indus civilization and plundered the citizens, the Australoid, mongoloid of Indus valley. There are several wars mentioned in Rig-Veda, Indra was the strongest king of Aryan who destroyed many forts, so he was termed as Purander in Veda. The excavation of Mahenjo-daro and Harappa had discovered many of human skeleton buried in one place indicate that these people were buried in one place after being killed. Finding of skeleton of children further confirms that Indus civilization was plundered and destroyed by external enemy. So the citizen of Indus valley i.e., the Austric race was forced to migrate to wards east and middle of India, Dravidian in the south and the Mongoloid in the north and north east of India.
Sanskrit name in Mythology:
Most of the names of mythological period were meaning less even in Sanskrit. Many Bodo wards have been absorbed in Sanskrit and Sanskritised like, Towi(Twi), Bokkho(bwkha), Ling(lwi), Ahong(Ang) ma(ma means no) Mukkho(mwkhang) Samudru (som-dru) Raja (Rai-cha>raja, becoming head of tribes) and the list goes on. The following words seems like more of the Kirata origin, like the Daksh, Yayati, Druhyu, Nahus, Ayu, Babhru, Brisaparva, Drun, Kunti, Dhrupati, etc. These names indicates that it had been corrupted form the Borok/Bodo words to suite the Aryan tongue. So the mythological and historical person were of Borok kirant race.
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Who are Chandra dynasty descendant?
It is generally known that Chandra was a Aryan king and the modern days Rajputs of north India are the descendant of the king Chandra. But we have to trace the root scientifically with available historical records and explain it logically.
1) It is accepted by the historian fraternity that the Mahabharata war occurred around 1400 BC. Yudhisthir was the king from Pandav and the king of Tripura participated in favour of Duryudhan. According to Rajmala records King Trilochana or Subrai is contemporary of Yudhisthir. He is 47th in succession from Chandra; Yudhisthir was also around the same in the in succession from Chandra. If we take average 25 years of generation age then 46X25=1150 years. Now 1400+1150=2550 years that is king Chandra was ruling India around 2250BC. On the contrary it is historical fact that the Aryan came in India between 1700-1500 BC, so there was no Aryan before 1700 BC in India, than how can the Chandra be Aryan king?? That means Chandra was non-Aryan king, not as claimed most of people.
2) On the other side, the Rajputs as we know today are descendent of Scythic tribes, who came from central Asia and invaded India around 400 BC. Mulchand Chauhan, in the book of ‘Scythic origin of Rajputs Race’ stated taking the reference of ethnographer Col Todd “It is a singular fact that there is no available date beyond the 4th century for any of the great Rajput families, all of whom are brought from the North. This was the period of one of the grand irruptions of the Getic races from Central Asia-’. So the present Rajputs of Rajasthan and other Kshatriya can not be the descendant of Chandra who ruled India 2550 BC. On the contrary the ancestor of Tripuri king, Chandra who was there at around to be a Kirata king is plausible from the evidences and the historical facts avail able with us.
3) Origin of word Chandra: It is a proven fact that many Kirata words had been Sanskritised and absorbed in the pool of Sanskrit word. For example one of the synonyms for water in Sanskrit is Towi, which is Bodo/borok word origin. There are many words absorbed but needs to be researched. There is one more example how indo-mongoloid name had been changed to Sanskrit name. The famous Kushanas kings were Mongoloid Yueh-chi tribe form frontier of China, which had been Sanskritised from Kuei-shang>Kushan in India. The mightiest dynasty of India Mughal derived its name from Mongol (Persian Mughal), Sukrai Ochai converted to Sukracharya. Similarly the original Sanskrit meaning of the word Chandra is “big bright and luminous” which in Tripuri language is “chwngtor” means moon which is bright big and luminus. This kokborok word “chwngtor” for moon had been modified to ‘chandro’, and absorbed into Sanskrit for moon, Chwnngtoro>Chongdro> Chandra. It is from this kokborok kirat word the chandro word had been taken in sanskrit and the dyanasty of Chandra had started form this kokborok word.
4) Pandavs were Mongoloid. The claim of Pandav and Kaurav as Aryan descendant is a doubtful illogical arguments, rather favour to be mongoloid origin. 1) Polyandry among Pandav (a women having many husbands) was not common among Aryans, not found in any other history or mythology. But it is very common and still in practice among the Kinnours, Lahuli, and Spitian Drukpa Himalayan mongoloid tribes. 2) Bhima drank blood of Dushasan is suggestive of barbarian mongoloid. 3) Kunti>Kungti, Dhrupati>Durupti are suggestive of Borok/ Bodo name like Kosomti, Kufuti, Chikonti, Khumbati etc. 4) A Mongolian tribe in the Himachal Pradesh clams to be descendant of Duryudhan 5) After the war the Pandavs went to heaven where a dog is supposed to have lead them, indicating by that their home was at Himalayan hills. When they go to SWARGA DHARI to go swarg they went nepal still you can see SWARGA DWARI in MANANG and MUSTANG.The Pandav were supposed to have been burnt in Laksha Griha which is nothing but thatch which is abundant in hill region of Himalaya, that means they were inhabited some where in Himalayan. So these facts prove that the war of Mahabharata was between Mongoloid brothers.Arjuna married with naga kiranti lady of manipur. Mahabharata tradition of being the seat of the Naga king Citravahana, whose daughter Citrangada was married with arjuna.Arjunas another wife was also naga kiranti lady whose name was Ulupi.how come he married kiranti lady when he was Aryan in that time?Same thing Bhima’s wife was Hadimba who was kiranti lady.He too why he need to marry kirant lady not marrying Aryan lady?Same thing Ghatotkacha of Mahabharata fame (Son of Bhima) was a Kirata Chieftain that means father himself was kiranta origion just Aryan people hijacked them as Aryan.
Still most of the hilly mongoloied tribe worship PANCH PANDAV in many different way.Almost every kiranti village has vimsen than{vimsen temple}and when the pandav fight and travel all the places were in kirant deshe or hilly region like KICHAK BAD which bhima killed kichak was place in jhapa in nepal same thing Mahabharata war itself happen in kirat deshe in land of kirant.Normally when the kiranti people worship Bhima they offer sacrifice of BUFFALLO AND GOATS.If he was Aryan Bramhin or chetri He not suppose to offer Buffalo sacrifice because they don’t eat buffalo in their culture.There is still Mahavarata hill in nepal where the place is densely populated by kirata.so it can prove that this is war between mongoloied kings.
The Origin of Shiva:
The word Shiva has root in the Kirata or Borok race, not in the Vedas becaugse Shiva as god is not mentioned in it Rather mentioned as simple kirant god,destructive of Aryan and animal. Shiva is hybrid of two Kirata words, simani means Gyan or knowledge and Kaiba, means five, i.e. Si+Ba=Siba>Siva>Sibarai>Sibrai . That means a god who has knowledge of five elements of life, that is earth, fire, water, air, and sky, that is cosmic rays which forms the life. That is one who has created life in this world or creator of life in the world. Other meaning can be one who made us perceive or feel five senses in our body, that is who is the soul of the boy. It is this Sibrai converted to Shivai in Sanskrit. From this five shiva is said to have five face and named as “Panchanan.”
In Bodo culture he is known as Bathubrai, meaning king of collection of five elements of earth, fire, water, air and sky, that means creator, the supreme god. The other meaning can apply in this case also. So the god Shiva is originally god of Borok/ Kirata race not that of Aryan or Dravidian.
The other name of Mahadev is direct translation of Mutai kotor, the supreme god of Tripuri people and first among the fourteen gods. The mutai kotor or Subrai is considered as supreme creator of this universe and the life in the earth in the mythology of Tripuri people. This fact had been finally accepted in the Indian mythology and Shiva had been placed above the Vishnu and Brahma of trinity gods.
Feature of Shiva the Creator:
1) His home or abode is in the Himalaya only, namely Amarnath, Badrinath, Hardwar, Kedaranath, Kailash mansarover and many more. It is again home of Kirata or borok race.
2) Fond of wine, ganja, dhatura who remains intoxicated most of time.
3) Fond of meat and non-vegeterean foods.
4) He is half naked, wearing skin of tiger in the loin only, rudraskha or dudrai mala in neck.
5) Living with Snakes and other animals.
6) His symbol is crescent moon, a symbol of Chandra dynasty, Trishul in hand.
7) He is wandering god, living with different ghost in the cremation ground; body is smeared with ash of cremation.
9) He is short tempered, mighty, courageous, does not think of consequences, destructives.
10) Easily convincible, compassionate, merciful, big hearted as termed Ashutosh or Bholenath which is nature of kirant.
11) Living with wife, who is Parvati or Haichwkma, goddess of Hill.
12) His animal carrier was originally buffalo, which was later converted to Ox by Aryan people, as found in Indus valley. The buffalo is still the carrier of Shiva in Tibet, China, and Japan proves that it was originally of Kirata god.
13) Worshiped by offering wine, animal sacrifice, and water is poured in the Shiva linga.
All the above feature of the Shiva suggest that he was the god of Kirata race initially but later modified to suit the Aryan faith or belief. And he was termed as one of the Hindu god and his carrier animal had been changed from buffalo to ox.
Origin of Shiva Ling:
There are many explanation of origin of the Shiva linga worshipping and the origin of word linga. But none of the explanation given in the Puran convincing and logical. On the other hand if we explain according to Tripuri custom and belief it can be explained for both. The Kirata are not expert in making idol and never worshipped idol so also the Aryan are. In ancient time people used to worship small linga shaped stone symbolizing as god Shiva specially in the jungle. They used to pour water, sacrificed animals in front of it and smear blood on it. This is still in practice in Tripura among the Tripuri people. This stone is represented as image of Shiva among Tripuri. Such type of example is one Holong mutai in west Tripura interior hill of Boromura. It is very popular and lots of devotee of Tripuri people pay visit every year.
This Holong is pronounces as Hlong in Riang dialect and was also among other Tripuri people in the past three thousand years ago. This word hlong is converted to hlong>hling> ling in later period by the Aryans to suit their tongue. This way Shiva had been worshiped in the form of shiv-ling by Aryans, which was nothing but Holong mutai representing Shiva of Borok race.
Other thing kirata were nature worshiper and they used to worship linga and yoni since ancient time so it can prove that linga and yoni worship religion is kirant religion because noble truth is that without linga and yoni there is no creation so aryans accepted this and involve in their religion.
Other name of Shiva:
Shiva has many name, one such name is Kirateshwar means god of Kirat people, so it also proves that Shiva is god of kirant race. His another name is ‘Hor’, it does not have meaning in Sanskrit other than to steal, where as it has a most significant and powerful meaning as ‘fire’ which lord Shiva appropriately deserves, as he is the most powerful like fire, from which these universe had been created. The slogan raised for him as “Hor-hor Bhom-bhom” has no literal meaning in Indian languages, but it has the meaning full explanation in Tripuri language, as big burning flames of fire! One more name is Tripureshwar, meaning god of Tripura. The other name is Tripurari, which means killer of Tripur. According to Rajmala and mythology also the king Tripur of Tripura was killed by Shiva, so he is termed as Tripurari or enemy of Tripur. All these facts indicate that Shiva was in fact god of Kirata, god of Hindu origin not the Aryan Vedic god. Even in Bed very beginning he was mentioned as simple god of kirata and who bring the pain in animals and destructive force who can travel in air but later he is promoted as MAHADEVA in PURANIC time.
The origin of Parvati:
The goddess Parvati had been directly translated from the Kirata of Borok word Haichwk ma or the goddess of hills, and accordingly worshipped by the Aryan. This goddess is also not mentioned in the Vedas either in name or in any of its form. It purely represents the goddess of Kirata race. In the mythology of Parvati’s birth had been described in many ways, and none is convincing and are contradictory each other. So it clearly proves that Parvati was not goddess of Aryan people but originally goddess of Borok kirant race.
According to Tripuri mythology, she lives in the hill and owner of hill and hills belonging including the animals. She keeps animal under her custody and domestic animals including human are not excluded from it. If she desires so she can take away any animal and human and hide it from owner, which she releases only after receiving offers. She is also the Kamlapati in the famous Boro Kwina ni mutai. Again she is also considered as the consort of lord Shiva who is almighty owner of universe. The same is described in the main land Hindu mythology.
Abode of Parvati:
According to the Tripuri mythology and faith she lives in the jungle and all the high hills. She is worshipped in the jungle only even today. The same theory is found among the main land Hindu also. Where as no Aryan prefers to live in the hill or jungle, where as the Kirata loves to live in jungle and the hill times since immemorial and their god and goddess are always considered to be hill and jungle dweller, so is the goddess of Parvati and Shiva. Parvati or the Vaishnu devi home is none other than in the peak of Himalaya. Other than this different manifestation of Parvati’s and her temple like Chamunda, Hadimba, Tripura Sundari and many more are situated in the hills of Himalaya. These facts clearly prove that Parvati was originally goddess of Kirata and later absorbed in to the main Hindu fold.
Other name of Parvati:
One of the several names of Parvati is Kirati, which means goddess of Kirata people. The other name given was Kiratini again means that Parvati or Durga is goddess of Kirata origin. After giving athese many examples there can not exist any doubt the Kirata origin of Parvati.Parvatis father was HIMALAYA That time only kirata people used to live in Himalayan slope.We can find story in SWASTHANI BRATA KATHA which siba and parvati having disguise themselves as KIRANT AND KIRANTNI and living in SLESH MANTAK BAN IN PASHUPATINATH.That means they were pure kiranti origion whatever the Aryan people did for change her as Aryan god it cannot work and hide from being kiranti.
Manifestation as Uma:
One of the names of Parvati is Uma. This name is also not mentioned in any of the Vedas. So it is not the vedic goddess. The origin and the birth of word Uma is also full of conflicting and contradictory in the Purana. But it is very clear according to Tripuri faith and mythology. The goddess of earth or the state is termed as Ama by us, meaning by my mother goddess. The Tripureshwari Goddess is called as simply Ama or sakani ama that mother of south. This word Ama had been corrupted to Ama>Uma by the Aryan and symbolized with Parvati. It is so simple, logical and rational to explain rather than taking tortuous route. Also CHANDI DEVI is another form of durga or parvati is considered mighty kiranti lady still chandi is main deity of kiranti people specially SUNUWAR AND RAI.
Origin of goddess Durga:
Like the origin and explanation of all of the gods and goddess of Hindu in the Puran are contradictory and conflicting, this one is also facing the same. Neither of the explanation is satisfactory. She had not been mentioned in the Vedas and not worshipped during the vedic period. So she is also the goddess of Kirata people. There is one interesting fact to note that, one small idol of Goddess Tripureshwari is placed just on left side of main idol even now. This idol used to be carried out at the time of war by the commanders and placed first in the fort or durgo in the war field. She was first worshipped and then preceded for war. So she is the protector of durgo, from this durgo the ward and form of Durga had come into being in modern day.
First Celebration of Durga:
Durga puja in the modern form was first celebrated by Koch king Kongsha Narayan in the 16th century, who was descendant of Borok race. Similarly there is a Durga mandir in the Dimapur which was built by the Dimasa King. The Tripura king had their Durga mandir near their palace since the ancient time. There were many coins of Tripura kings discovered with Durga image proves that it was goddess of Tripuri people. First the image of Durga was found in the coins of Kushan or Kuei-shang king dating back to 1st century AD. It was later found in subsequent kings. So Durga was goddess of the Kirata or Borok kings and Borok race in name & form, a goddess of war and victory, which was later accepted by the people of other races.According to religion book Once Rakshasas ruled Heaven{mountain kingdom like KASHMIRE,NEPAL ETC}and sacked INDRA AND OTHER DEV Aryan people.Their leader was MAHISHASHUR who came to fight with riding on MAHISH[buffaloo}.Later who was killed by goddess DURGA Kiranti lady In favour of aryans.It seems aryans always succeed to use kiranti people even in past.They worship kirant god SIVA,DURGA,CHANDI,KALI but ignore other kirant people and decendent of these god and goddest.Probaly mahishashur itself must be kirata or other mongoloied tribe because this kind of buffalo riding things done in southern china,Vietnam,Cambodia and other mongoloied country OR it must be someone aborigional people like astro-Asiatic people or Dravidian people.There is 100%sure durga is not god of Aryan.When they go to ask for the help of god siva Aryan deva were seems using unbelievable words which mahadev can’t say no himself even he knows dev Aryans were wrong for war.Such flattering word like “HARE MAHADEV,TRI LOK ADHI PATI,KARUNA KO KHANI DAYAKO SAGAR,ANTARYAMI,JYOTIRNA MAYA SAKTI,TRINETRA DHARI,PRAVUKO HAMI TUCHCHA PRANI CHARAN KAMALMA CHAU HAMI,RAKSHA GARA HEY BHOLE BOM”Because of this kind of highly flatterable word made him compelled to Help them.Still the chetri and bramhin people use this kind of dirty and flattering word when they need something from others like saying “RAJA,PRABHU,DARSHAN HAJUR”This kind of word is not perfect for to use ordinary people like darshan suppose to use for god.In Very beginning in Veda Aryan mention him as ordinary kirant god but later promoted him as supreme god of all in puranic time because of his power.Some example like in veda mentioning like this {BHASMESWORE KIRATA DEVA,PASHUMA HANI PURAUNE,VAYUMA BICHARAN GARNE,TRASKO DEVATA,PISHACHA,MANAV MA DUKHA LEWNE—-In Translation it says god of destroyer,horror who bring pain in animal and human who travel in air like dark cloud}You know such hates horror god of Aryan later promoted as mahadeva,kalyan kari,trilok adhipati{god of heaven earth and hell} how funny is that how can they changed their tune.It prove they are opportuniest.
Origin of Kali:
The origin of kali in name and form has come from the Borok people, but again hijacked by Bengali. The kali had derived from the word swkal or witch. It is pronounced as Skali in Riang dialect. Skali is later on corrupted from Skali>kali to kali in Sanskrit. An evil spirit swkal when takes refuge in women is called as Swkal, and when takes to man he is known as Beduwa. Swkal is again considered as consort of Burasa mutai, an evil form of Subrai. That is why she is worshipped or offered in the night, in the jungle only. For this reason we find the attire of kali with garland of human head, waist cloths of arms, with sword, drinking human blood, and protruded out tongue, which symbolizes imagination of our Swkal.Kali is wife of siva and another form of Parvati.Parvati has too many forms like durga,chandi,kali,kapali,vadrakali,chada,munda everything.It clearly prove that kali is kiranti goddess not Aryan.
Origin of Laksmi:
The goddess Laksmi is also did not find any place in the sacred text of Vedas. It had been mentioned as adjective to describe, not as goddess. It had derived from Kirata goddess of Mailuma in form who is goddess of rice and wealth in form. On the word form it had derived from Noksuma, here letter N is replaced with L that is common in Aryan language, like Nimbu=Lembu, Lon(take)=Nin. So Noksuma>Loksuma>Loksma> Loksmi, where as it retained the form of goddess of Mailuma. As such the rice was grain of Kirata race, who brought while migrating from china, where it was first discovered by Chinese people, so the concept of Goddess of rice given to Laksmi favours of Kirata race.
Origin of Saraswati:
This is the only goddess found in the Vedas and found to be origin of Aryan people. But again its form has been totally changed form its earlier form. It was mentioned in two meaning, one as river one as goddess. Sarswati in the Vedas was goddess of wealth, fruits and well being not as goddess of learning and intelligence. Sarswati to day is clothed with white color which had derived from Khuluma of Tripuri people who is goddess of cotton and learning as she teaches us to weave and design the clothes. Khuluma is considered white color as she for cotton.
Origin of Manasa:
Goddess manasa was not mentioned in Vedas like all the Hindu gods, she is mentioned only in the latter part of purana, some where in 15th century. She derived form the goddess noksuma of Tripuri people, but here she got the form and the meaning of Noksuma unlike laskmi who go only the name. she is goddess of snake like noksuma of Tripuris. The letter N of Noksuma inter changes with the last letter M and K is deleted. So naksuma>mansama>mansa. Mansa is goddess of snake in main land Hindu simmilarly the Noksuma is goddess of snake among the Tripuri people.
Origin of Lord Ganesh:
He is described as son of Shiva and Parvati, so he is none but mongoloid god. His name and form is also absent in the Vedas, that means he is not the Aryan god. It most likely represents the god Goria of Tripuri people. The other name of ganesh is Binayak, on the other hand baba Goria is worhipped as Binairok by the Ochai. This shows that the Goria and the Gonesh is same in the past. The knot tied at the end of Risa for holding paddy, cotton, flower etc was misinterpreted as trunk of elephant, so the ganesh head is considered as to be of elephant. These way, binairok became binayak and goria>gonesh. As Baba Goria is god of wealth, production, benevolent, and for the welfare the lord ganesh is also considered in the same meaning in main land Hinduism. So the Goria being transformed in to ganesh is the fact.
Origin of Kartik:
Kartik is younger brother of Ganesh, and son of shiv and durga, there by he is god of Kirata people by birth. His name is also not mentioned in the Vedas, so he is not god of Aryan people. According to Tripuri mythology, god Kalia is younder brother of Goria, he is also god of welbeing. In the course of cultural synthesis during puranic period this kalia had been transformed in to Kartik is quite possible.
Not Believing the Facts Above:
If the above mentioned facts are not convincing and finding difficult to digest and not easily going up to our brain, then look at the following facts:
1) The Tripureshwari Temple of Udaipur is built by King Dhanya Manikya in the year 1500 AD. But now it is mentioned in the Puran and described this temple as part of 51 pitha where Parvati’s right foot is considered to have fallen when her body was cut into 51 pieces by sudrashan charka. Then, is this true to the historical facts of Tripura?
2) The 14 gods of Kharchi are all Gods of Tripuri people and are named according to kokborok in the past. Rajmala compilers like Kailash Chandra had clearly mentioned that these were none but translated to Sanskrit, though retaining the same meaning.
3) The Kamakhya Temple of Guwahati was built by Koch king (Borok race) in the end of 13th century, but this is again included in the list of 51 pitha where Parvati’s private part is considered to have fallen, where as truth is other way round!
These bramhin people were so opportuniest and champion for to make false story which can be benefit for them like BUDHANIL KANTHA OF NEPAL They made unnecessary folk tale about it saying it was found by one local farmer when he dug the peddy plot and toe of bisnu had cut of during digging and blood start to came out side and blood start to flow everywhere.The poor peasant so horrified and asked for forgive since then all people start to worship and King shouldn’t go there to see budhanilkantha if he go will die because once when king been there lots of naga came to kill him.This is folk tale which bramhin people put illusion for uneducated people but if we see in scientific ground it was Made by JISNU GUPTA during lichivi period.Same thing GAUTAM BUDDHA who was fighting whole of his life against this Bramhan culture touchable and untoucheble they seize opportunity and put him 9th incarnation of god bishnu.This is completely redicules and opportuniest behavior.It means Aryan can do anything if it benefit them.Doesn’t matter true or false.There is one folk lore about bramhin.Once priest bramhin was about to eat rice pudding one white colour of dog came and eat it the rice.Bramhin is so shoked eat or not to eat.If he eat other people will hate him if don’t eat this is rice pudding.He was so greedy then he off sudden made slok saying Black dog is bad and white dog is very good.He said this and rushed to eat rice pudding that means for them black can be white,white can be black For us is after all dog is dog whatever the colour is.
So what is your Religion?
Now going through the historical facts mentioned above who are the original Hindu? Are we Kirata or those invaders Aryan? What are their gods they brought along with them and listed in the Vedas? What are the gods images found in the Indus valley? What are our traditional and mythological gods?
Who have converted to Hindu to whom? Did the Aryan convert us to Hindu? Or we Borok (Kirata) converted Aryans to Hindu?
Who had stopped worshipping their gods? Is it Borok or Aryan? Who had lost their culture? Is it Borok or Aryan?
They claim our civilzatiiion is their civilization and our religion is their religion.This is 21st centuary Histry must rewrite.
So my fellow kiranti people there is no cause to feel inferior or to feel that Hindu are not we or gods of Hindu are not ours. There is no reason to search for BETTE R GOD and BETTER RELIGION. No logic to through your OWN RELIGION & GOD. All the India’s religion, culture and land belong to you since 6000 years. The earth, water, fire, air, and sky of India are also yours, as it had been of your ancestors for thousands of years ago.
This article is based on truth whatever aryan people try to clerify hindu is their religion but it’s not they just stolen from kirant.So far in my research bramhin and chetri doesn’t have nothing apart from CHUTIYANESS.
The True Origin Hindu, rituals and practices belongs to Kiratas,Sakas,Nagas who were all the ancient native of ancient India.
What the Aryan did after their conquest in ancient India. They took all these religious practices and compiled into their Veda text, modifying and rewriting the mythology.
The Vedic Hinduism was created for their benefits while distorting the facts and origins of Hinduism.
The fact is that Hinduism was already in existence and was practiced by Kiratas long before the Rig-veda was written.
The problem is not with the Hinduism but with the Vedic Hinduism. For example, the Vedic Hinduism created caste system and false doctrines.
If you folks have time, one need to read this:
Tribal roots of Hinduism by Shiv Kumar Tiwar
Tribal and indigenous people of India by Rabindra Nath Pati, Jagannatha Dash
Nepal: Forms and Origins of Discrimination
Krishna B, Bhattachan, PhD
There are several historical markers of domination and discrimination against indigenous peoples and other minorities in Nepal. These are as follows:
The main historical marker of Hindu domination begins with caste restructuring by King Jayasthiti Malla in the Kathmandu Valley in the fourteenth century. The King invited five Brahmin priests from India to Kathmandu. Based on their advice, the King restructured the Newars, the indigenous peoples of the Kathmandu Valley, into 64 castes based on occupational division of labor. These caste divisions were neither based on hierarchic Hindu varna model, that is, Brahmin at the top followed by Kshyatriya, Vaisya and Sudra at the bottom, nor on inscription. It indeed paved a way for intensification of the processes of Hinduization or Sanskritization of indigenous peoples of Nepal (Jijima 1963).
The second historical marker of Hindu Bahun-Chhetri domination is the conspiratorial attack against the Magar King of Lig-Lig Kott by King Drabya Shah, who later won a war against the Khadka King of Gorkha in 1559A.D.. This was the beginning of the downfall of independence of indigenous peoples in Nepal.
The third historical marker of continuing Hindu Bahun-Chhetri domination is the territorial “unification” of Nepal in 1769 by King Prithvinaryan Shah. Prior to 1769, indigenous peoples had their own rule in their respective traditional homelands. King Prithvinarayn Shah annexed small but independent kingdoms, “22 and 24 principalities,” of different indigenous peoples either through defeat in war or through mutual agreement of autonomy within the centralized State. After the defeat of Kirtipur in the Kathmandu Valley, King Prithvinaryan Shah ordered to chop off nose tips and ear of the peoples of Kirtipur that weighed 18 dharnis, i.e. about 40 kilos. Thus, one can imagine the extent of brutal physical violence and humiliation to minorities and indigenous peoples under the sword of Prithvinarayan Shah. The King accepted that Nepal is a country a garden of four Castes and thirty-six varna but his mission was to make Nepal a real India (“Asali Hindustan”). The main consequence of the territorial unification was that all indigenous peoples lost their independence and gradually lost their rights to land, water, forests, mines, rivers and pastures. Thus, indigenous peoples began to loose their language, religion, culture and indigenous knowledge system.
The fourth historical marker is the Muluki Ain (National Code of Nepal) of 1854 implemented by Junga Bahadur Rana, the founder Prime Minister of 104-years of autocratic Rana rule. The National Code, the first ever codified law applicable in all parts of Nepal, restructured Caste and ethnic groups and divided them into fourfold social hierarchy. The Tagadhari (sacred thread wearing or twice- born) caste was at the top, followed by the Matawali (“alcohol drinking castes”). They were sub-divided into namasine (“unslavable”) and masine (“slavable’) groups. Although, indigenous peoples never belonged to Hindu social hierarchy but the Rana ruler legally included them in the second in the hierarchy as “alcohol drinking caste. Pani nachalne chhoee chhito halnu naparne (impure but touchable castes”) were third and pani nachalne chhoee chhito halnu paine (‘impure and untouchable castes”) belonged to the bottom of the social hierarchy. The whole National Code, including the punishments was based on caste discrimination. Thus during the 104-years of Rana rule, indigenous peoples of Nepal were Hinduized and Sanskritized. As its consequences, many indigenous peoples began to loose their language, religion and culture. The most devastating events in this period was confiscation of traditional Kipat land tenure and re-distribution of land to state elites, i.e. Bahun, Chhetri, Rana and Thakuri, through Birta and Jagir land tenures and exploitation of indigenous peoples and Dalits through forced free labour such as jahra, rakam, beth and begar(Regmi 1999). The Rana rulers prevented Tamangs, one of the indigenous peoples of Nepal, from joining British-India-Army and any government jobs in Nepal, except as Pipa (‘porter’) in Pipa Goswara office in Singha Durbar in Kathmandu.
During the Partyless Panchayat rule from 1960-90 under the direct and active rule of King Mahendra and King Birendra, the rulers launched a campaign of One King, One Country; One Language, One Dress. The project of melting pot was intensified in a country characterized by salad bowl of caste, ethnicity, language, religion, culture and region. Any organized effort to preserve and promote indigenous peoples language, religion and culture was charged as “anti-King,”, “anti-constitution”, “anti-national,” and “communal.” Also, caste- based untouchability was abolished in the revised National Code of 1963 but due to lack of necessary laws, its practice continues unabated.
The Peoples Movement of 1990, following the pro-democracy wave in the Soviet Union, eastern-European countries, and other parts of the world, jointly organized by the Nepali Congress Party and United Left Front, including Nepal Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist), demolished the autocratic party less Panchayat political system and restored democracy in Nepal. It raised a lot of hope and expectation to reduce socio-cultural and political inequalities. The hope remained unfulfilled.
The Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal, 1990
The Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal promulgated in 1990 was modeled after the West-Minister style of parliamentary form of government, which is highly centralized and exclusionary. Indeed, winner takes all in such a system. Given socio-cultural diversity of the Nepalese society and culture, the Constitution discriminates and excludes minorities in many ways (see definition and identification of minorities in a separate section). The Consultative workshop organized by Nepal Federation of Nationalities (NEFEN) with support from Minority Rights Group International (MRG), has identified 26 provisions in the Constitution and 49 legal Acts that discriminates against indigenous peoples (NEFEN 1999). There are many such provisions that discriminate against other minorities. Also, caste-based untouchability has been made illegal but lack of laws has made it meaningless in practices (Bhattachan 2001; Dahal et al. 2002).
There was a strong demand for secularism not only by the non-Hindus but also by the Hindu Dalits’ who have been forced to face caste-based untouchability by their “upper caste” Hindu counterparts. In spite of the fact that Nepal is a multi-religious country and a historical fact that about 150,000 people demonstrated in the streets of Kathmandu, which was the largest gathering ever in the history of Nepal, demanding for secularism, the Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal, 1990 declared Nepal as a Hindu State, prohibited to form any political parties on the basis of religion. ‘The Article (4) of the Constitution stated, Nepal is a multiethnic, multilingual, democratic, independent, indivisible, sovereign, Hindu and Constitutional Monarchical Kingdom. Another most discriminatory provision was the distinction between nations language and “national languages”. The Constitution declared Nepali language as the only official language. Many indigenous peoples of Nepal have a culture of eating beef (“cow meat”). The National Code of Nepal (Muluki Am) prohibits killing of cow and the offender gets life sentence. Instead of declaring national animal with full cultural sensitivity, Article 7 (2) of the Constitution declared cow, which is sacred for the Hindus only, as the national animal. Therefore, indigenous peoples were prohibited to slaughter cow and eat its meat.
A study conducted by the Forum for Women, Law and Development (FWLD) in 2000 stated, ‘there are 118 Clauses/Section/Rules, two Rules in their entirety, and 67 Schedules/Annexes/Forms in 54 different laws including the Constitution which have discriminatory provisions’ (Pradhan-Malla et al. 2000:VI). The Constitution and laws discriminate women in every field including citizenship, property, education, employment, health, marriage & family, legal & court proceedings (Pradhan-Malla 2000:13).
(Text Courtesy: Minorities and Indigenous Peoples of Nepal)
2009-02-18 07:53:35
Hindu god goddest are kirata god but caste system and other descrimination system is brought by this raksas bahun and chetri so to blame hindu means you need to study very deep.As above historian chandra prakash already mentioned about hindu religion and what polluted it.The problem is all about chetri and bramhin still they are polluting nepal you see how long we watch their drama in nepal.
The problem is not with Hinduism. The problems lies with the creator of the Veda teachings.
Hinduism is just a new term coined by the western scholar to classified all the religious practices in Indian sub-continent.
Veda did not said our religion is call Hinduism or give any name to it.
Therefore it is just known as Vedic teachings or Vedic Hinduism.
Hinduism= pre-vedic(Kirata+Dravidian) religion + vedic(Aryan) religion
Therefore folks learn to distinguish Hinduism first. Hinduism is not bad after all if you know enough facts. It just that bad element has come into it and influence it. Like Indians coming to Indian-subcontinent and influencing Nepal, Sikkim, Assam politics and so on.
The creations of Veda was for the benefits to some only. Many are treated as low born man who have to serve others. Anyone who was non-aryan or whose teachings differs from vedic religion was placed as low born man.
According to Srimad-Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita, anyone, including so-called low born men,
who may take shelter unto the Lotus Feet of Lord Krishna or His devotees, is sanctified by initiation process.
kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa
abhira-sumbha yavanah khasadayah
ye ‘nye ca papa yad-apasrayasrayah
sudhyanti tasmai prabhavisnave namah
upon translation is;
Kirata, Huna, Andhra, Pulinda, Pulkasa, Abhira, Sumbha, Yavana, members of the Khasa races
and even others addicted to sinful acts can be purified by taking shelter of the devotees of the
Lord, due to His being the supreme power. I beg to offer my respectful obeisances unto Him.
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.4.18)
In the purport of this verse Srila Prabhupada describes the Pulindas as the Greeks, from whom Western civilization has descended, and the Hunas as the Europeans, who later inherited the Greek legacy. The Khasas are the Chinese, or Far-Eastern peoples. The Kiratas are described in the purport as aboriginal peoples from the Kirata province of “old Bharata-varsa.”
Now isn’t this a quite a contradiction? How can the Veda even classified other races as low born man whose teachings must have surely differs from vedic? Is like saying the Islam, the christians and other religions are of low born man.
When the Aryan found that their gods like Agni, Indra, Varun etc. were loosing popularity and people did not worshiped the gods which they brought, rather they were worshiping Subra(Siva)and following Saivisim, then they placed Sibarai worshiping under banned. At first the Aryanised conquerers held this religion (Saivism) in disdain and placed in under a ban. But it did not helped; ultimately peoples over come such banned and Saivism contininue to strive among the aborigines. At the same time to secure easy recognition by the aboriginal people, they placed Siva into Hindu pantheon. ~ By John Marshall, John Hubert Marshall Sir, Asian Educational Service
According to The Indo-Aryans of ancient South Asia By George Erdosy, the primitive Saivisim, Vaishnavism, Sankhya and Yoga which are the four corner stone of modern Hinduism was recognized as non-vedic by the orthodox exponent of the Vedism in the early periods.
“The clear conception of Siva arose in the Upanisadic age. Siva as been, for the first time, explicitly mentioned as the Aryan god in the Svetasvatara Upanisad in the background of Yoni-Linga relationship. There was never mention of Siva as Aryan god in Rig Veda, the oldest text of Aryan”. From here it can be ascertain that Siva was worshiped by the aboriginal Kirata and Dravidan people before the advent of Aryan. ~Tribal roots of Hinduism By Shiv Kumar Tiwari
Hence to secure easy recognition by the aboriginal people, the Veda placed Siva into its pantheon later when Aryan found that their gods like Agni, Indra, Varun etc. were loosing popularity and people did not worshiped the gods which they brought.
More conflicting is that since Siva is placed at the Hindu pantheon, why should these “low born man” whose religion was the worshiping nature,i.e stones, snakes reflecting Sivaism had to take shelter unto the Lotus Feet of Lord Krishna or His devotees?
The reasons are given by Romila Thapar in this excerpt.
“While supporting this literary evidence, also has admitted that in all likelihood the Kiratas were the worshippers of Shiva.The assertion that Shiva, the god of the Himalayan mountain, was worshiped by the non-Vedic kiratas, can be proved in many ways. Some of the foreign scholars have also consolidated the concept that Shiva was a patron god of the aborignals. Megasthenes has also referred to the two Indian deities– Dionysus(identified with Shiva) and
Herakles (identified with Krishna). The former was worshiped as the highest gods on the mountains and the latter was adored in the plains.Thus it is clear that the practice of worshiping Shiva might have begun much earlier to the Christian era, even though the Kiratas did not call themselves Shaivas.”
This shows that worshiping of Krishna was more evident in the plains than the hill regions and it can be seen Krishna as more to vedic teachings.
The Mahabharata epic tells how the Lord Krishna came to help Pandavas, while Lord Siva came as Kirata proves that Sivaism was one of the pre-vedic religion and belongs to aborigines living in the hills.
The following praise from the Veda scripts tells it all.
Om Namah Sivaya Kirataya
Om Namah Umayai Sabaryai
upon translation is;
“Om! Salutation to Siva, the all good, the Kirata!
“Om! Salutation to Uma, the mother, the Sabari!
And this is quite a high exaltation of the status for the non-Aryan hill people, when the scriptures from the vedic literature solely reveal the true identity of Siva and Uma.
Both Kirata and Sabari are aborigines of non-aryan origin. Sabari is a female name from Sabara tribe. Sabara tribe is associated with food-gathering and hunting activities. ~Tribal and indigenous people of India by Rabindra Nath Pati, Jagannatha Dash
It is therefore scholars have identified Siva and Sivaism with that of aborigines/tribes than of vedic teachings. With the advent of Aryan and influence of their Veda teachings, Siva and Sivaism was placed in the veda and as one of the trinity to secure easy recognition by the aboriginal people, they placed Siva into Hindu pantheon. ~ By John Marshall, John Hubert Marshall Sir, Asian Educational Service
Kiratas along with other tribes non-conforming to Vedic teachings was classified as Mleccha(babarians) in many early texts, in a sense that they were destroyers of Aryan. Hence the Siva was name as destroyer in the Hindu Trinity. ~ G.P Singh (The Kiratas in Ancient India, 1990)
As one scholar said “To begin with, the kipat system and the mundhum are traditionally uncontested metaphors of Kirata culture. Similarly the worshiping of Tagera Nyingmaphuma or the supreme deity was a pan-Kirata symbol. But with the abolition of kipat system and the simultaneous influence of Hinduism, these symbols
have lost their strength considerably. Since Tagera Nyingmaphuma, is often personified as Shiva, who is not only considered tribal God but also one of the Hindu pantheon, he cannot be claimed by the Kiratas as their exclusive God” —Politics of Culture:
A Study of Three Kirata Communities in the Eastern Himalayas), 1999 by Tanka Bahadur Subba
Hence we need to clearly distinguish between vedic and pre-vedic religion and to conform with the practices as have been doing for the time since immemorial.
There is no class(varna) in the pre-vedic religion. This is one merit which we can restore the glory days of pre-vedic periods.
So what is your Religion?
Now going through the historical facts mentioned above who are the original Hindu? Are the aborigines or those invaders Aryan? What are their gods they brought along with them and listed in the Vedas? What are the gods images found in the Indus valley?
Who have converted to Hindu to whom? Did the Aryan convert us to Hindu? Or the aboriginals(Kirata & Dravidian) converted Aryans to Hindu?
So my fellow Nepalese and aborigines of Indian-sub continent there is no cause to feel inferior or to feel that Hindu are not we or gods of Hindu are not ours. There is no reason to search for BETTE R GOD and BETTER RELIGION. No logic to through your OWN RELIGION & GOD. All the India’s religion, culture and land belong to the aboriginal people since 6000 years. The earth, water, fire, air, and sky of India are also yours, as it had been of your ancestors for thousands of years ago.
So it’s a good thing that Nepal kicked Indian priest from Pashupathinath temple. Now we need dalit and Kirati to officiate the temple.
HH Dalai Lama was on tv and he said meditate 3 minutes on compassion.
more useful than o money mantra.
If karl Marx migrated from Mongolia or Punjab at this stage vote ecology and by all means pro immigrant in my Europe.
If your grandmother is from Delhi what is the complication, some are intelligent and I am not.
Dr. Ambedkar dalit buddhist.
So we all should go Mongolia then or what the encyclopedia predicts for weathercast?
Stalin nobody likes mao was of a similar race to …..