Maoist leader Dr. Baburam Bhattarai, second in rank after Chairman Prachanda, meets…
…former UN boss Kofi Annan (right). The bespectacled tall guy is Ian Martin, chief of United Nations Mission to Nepal (UNMIN) Pic by Biwsodeep Pande.
…Norway’s foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre (left).
…and Indian diplomat Shyam Saran in Oslo, Norway. “India doesn’t have any special affection for monarchy in Nepal,” said Saran during the meeting on June 28. “India respects the choice of the Nepalese people.” Bhattarai left Nepal Monday to attend the ‘Oslo Forum 2007‘.
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39 responses to “A Maoist Comrade Shakes Hand With Kofi Annan (and Others)”
There is not a single place in the world where the Norwegians have succeeded in mediating in a conflict. In Sri Lanka, the war has blown out again and in fact, the Norwegians spoilt the whole thing in Sri Lanka. In Nepal also, they are playing the villain game. They are clearly propogating terrorism and giving it a soft make-over as a “mediation.” Why don’t they mediate between Al Qaeda and America? Kofi Annan is nothing but a retired Secretary General. He is gone into history books. I don’t find this any recognition of the Maoists by the international community.
Hoping that Moists are coming in the main stream of politics through international support and peace transformation inside real society.
I think if they want to real change for development of Nepal, Norway and Switzerland are good country to learn something in HYDROPOWER & TOURISM.
Also , best wishes for the blog for updating news facts with actual photograps.
Thanks.
well as they say, there is no one more dead than a dead pope, like wise for me there is no one more obsolete than a retired official.
besides they are still listed as terrorist for US. any international recognition they get will be vetoed for sure so them lobbing around is just a waste of their cash that they raise for intimidation.
i totally agree with you samarat
I think they should stay in Norway for the sake of peace in Nepal.
Only in a country like Nepal can a terrorist and murders become such leaders who have so much blood on their hands. Murderers.
Dudes, Seems like Bhattarai does not drink alcohol…unless thats a screwdriver he is having. Ian Martin seems to be enjoying his beer, must be a tough job monitoring 550-1000 Maoist combatants and only 300 guns. After all isn’t that how much they registered ? What a farce…whole load of crap.
Shyam Sharan served in Indonesia and Myanmar.
Shyam Saran being a godfather to maoist may be the one rejoicing and check the posture of Baburam sitting with him and with other- there is a marked difference. He sits like a lap dog.
For all this photo shots- let us not forget the killing of more than 15000 at the hands of these murderers even if foreigners seem to shower them with undue importance. If I had my way, I would parade them like Shining path leader in a cage.
Saran should not be allowed to act as god, gringos cannot be allowed to act as saviour and Maoist must be stamped out as if its a virus. Lets pledge this to our motherland, NOW
if i can remember straight, i think i did read about one article written by a paki general about India’s long term plan on Nepal. i am not saying that it was totally unbiased, but it did get my attention.
well just summarizing the long and interesting article, it made me think about kingdom of Sikkim, and the kingdom of Bhutan.
about Sikkim, this is their brief post second world war history:
after a popular vote that rejected Sikkim joining the greater India in 1947, Nehru let Sikkim self govern, but controlled its, external defense, diplomacy and communication. thus making it a sort of puppet state. after a turmoil decade, Sikkim national congress demanded that Sikkim merge with India. after a riot in 1973, Sikkim closed itself to the rest of the world, and in 1975, the then PM appealed to the Indian Parliament for representation and change of Sikkim’s status to a state of India. In April, the Indian Army moved in Sikkim, seizing the city of Gangtok, disarming the Palace Guards. Within two days the entire nation was in Indian hands.A few weeks later on May 16 1975, Sikkim officially became the 22nd state of the Indian Union, and monarchy was abolished. India after taking Sikkim as its 22nd state had an easier access to china, who then and now in some sense is still India’s greatest regional threat besides Pakisthan.
about Bhutan and India’s influence on Bhutan:
After Indian independence in 1949, India returned the parts of Bhutan annexed by the British for the right of directing its defense and foreign relations and promised not to interfere in Bhutan’s internal affairs, which was just a bag full of lies. the Bhutanese refugee crisis that we see is just a clear proof of how India manipulates Bhutan’s internal affair.
now this is my analysis on the topic.
now India’s interest in Nepal:
as i mentioned above, how china is one of India’s greatest threat, annexing Nepal would total let India access china. till 1960, India have listening posts in northern border of Nepal. they were later expelled by the then king Mahendra. after that, India’s access was greatly decreased. thus they formulated a plan to make Nepal another version of Bhutan if not Sikkim. they would try in longterm to annex Nepal and make it an Indian territory and if that is not possible then at least handle Nepal’s, foreign and defense sectors.
why didn’t India attack Nepal and annex it?
if you don’t know, some decades back, Chinese army Marshall and the then standing committee chairman Zhu De had in specific terms stated that, any aggression towards Nepal will be considered aggression towards china. so attacking Nepal was out of the question. so the only other alternative was, to make Nepal a puppet government, and in due time get the government willingly give India, Nepal’s foreign and defense rights and if possible give Nepal as a whole.
has India succeeded in this mission?
after 1990, the leaders leading Nepal are so loyal to India that we doubt if they were even that loyal to themselves. every speech by any prominent leaders has to be approved from the southern block. a very good example was when CEO of Nepal congress after meeting with his counter part in china, flew directly to India to meet his boss out there. well the only possible explanation i could get was, that they had to brief the southern block on what china had to offer us.
is India serious about Nepal’s development?
well India declared CPN-M terrorist even before Nepal did. it is ironical how India let terrorists have meetings and seminars, training and treatments(medical) in their soil. not only that the Maoists were getting their weapons from other radical terrorists in India. so India was not at all serious about Nepal’s situation, as i can put it Nepal’s loss was India’s gain.
what do we presume on India’s stand on Nepal in the near future?
after the power shift, from Narayanhiti to Singha durbar, India must have realized that, after this generation of leaders, India’s influence on political leaders will greatly decrease. besides this, India before was balancing the royal house with the democracy card, and the democrats with the monarchy card. what i mean about this is that, when monarchy had upper had, democratic forces were active and vice-versa. so it is in India’s interest to have the monarchy in Nepal in one form or another.
so wrapping the topic on Maoist seeking international support, no matter how much they fight, their mission will always be incomplete. they will not achieve republic, and their attitude which never did, nor ever will change shall haunt them. so just shaking hands with some leaders ready to be put in history books, might just be their greatest diplomatic achievement. so Maoist you better enjoy it. you will get nothing more than this in the field of diplomacy.
Matribhumi,
Ian is drinking white wine…… Dont feel like commenting on the rest of your bolloks.
I would completely agree that Norway is to be blamed equally or even more than India for terrorism in Nepal.
Asheem, great analysis! Enjoyed reading your comments. Keep up bro. I would be a regular reader if you started your own blog.
I also wanted to add to your analysis of Sikkim though. Sikkim was annexed to India, in request of a an Indian dog, named Bhandari, a power hungry khas-bahun, who despised the the beauty of Buddhist way of life in Sikkim, and wanted to impose racist caste-system to the indigenous people of Sikkim. As long as the Limbu, Tamang and Gurung were the leaders of Sikkim, they fought till the last drop of blood to keep Sikkim sovereign and independent, as would do the Gurkhas of Nepal. But once the power was given to a Hindu Khas, Bhandari, he switched side as would do any chaplusi Bahun, and formally beame the indian dog for his own selfish interest in the expense of Sikkim nation.
As termed by US ambassador James Moriarty, these YCL are real thugs, and pol pot Prachande and his habaldar Baburam are the leaders of these thugs. Since the US is not ready to lift the terrorist tag labeled on the maoist thugs, their hope of getting international recognition has dwindled sharply.
thanks justice,
i was really happy to see such a praising comment on my analysis.
just one thing that i could not understand about your idea on indigenous people.
you surely know the history of Nepal. how it was split into a lot of states and why it was annexed into one. even now we can see significant numbers of people living in their own ethnic areas. by this what i mean is that, there are significant number of Newars in the valley, Tharus in the western belt of terai, other Madhesi groups in the eastern terai belt, Sherpas in the foot of the mountains, and other ethnic minorities in their respective areas.
it is a hot topic in nepal right now i guess about giving indigenous people the right to self govern. they are pressuring the government to make their ethnic language, the region’s official language.
i had a big discussion about this topic with my dad some 3-4 years back. he was talking about replacing Nepali with some other ethnic language so that it would be easier for a minority to get education as Nepali isn’t their mother tongue. he said that aid would increase and education would be easier if everyone gets to study the whole course in the language they choose. he even said that bahuns are populating all bureaucratic positions, political parties and so on because they were the only ones who were educated from start. they their children had advantage and now they rule the country. it is a good idea but these are the points why i told him it wasn’t.
nepal is a small country, a poor country, a country where there are more than 60 minorities and over 120 dialects. if we had 120 languages, 60 autonomous regions and so on, do you think the national unity would be there.
as you just have started blaming the bahuns for all the chaos, then there will be one ethnic group blaming others for something or else. so in time there will be ethnic tension chaos.
besides this, let me give you example of India and china.
India has a lot of languages themselves. i don’t know exactly how many ethnic groups there but the national government has promoted Hindi and English just so that the whole country has a platform to communicate.
in china there are 56 ethnic groups. in china dialects differ in every 100 km or less. thus they have promoted mandarin.
now let me tell you why dividing Nepal would be a chaos. first of all, Nepal has and is always being manipulated by foreign force. so if we divide, it will be easier to manipulate us. if we stand together, we might just have enough strength to flush those element. you must be aware how India was ruled by the east India company. simple but effective,” DIVIDE AND RULE”, and now from what i can see, India is trying to do that to Nepal.
don’t you feel that ethnic tensions in Nepal is at its peak? just yesterday i read a news about some madhesi leaders including JTMM (both the factions), NSP, MJF etc. in the meeting, it seems that there was a discussion about making terai independent.
do you see the bigger picture? once terai is separated, it will not be hard to divide other parts of Nepal.
well i understand it is hard for ethnic minorities, to study as well as work with the base language as Nepali, so then when i had the discussion with my father, i told him that, instead of making ethnic languages official language, it is financially, as well as in terms of national interest, to further develop Nepali language. i told him that ethnic minorities should be given priority in terms of job application as well as let them have extra opportunities to further develop their Nepali language.
i know what the bahuns have done is wrong. they should be replaced, but if we take them out in a hurry, there will be a big vacuum which is even more dangerous. so that in my point of view should be done gradually. i know it takes time, but it is as far as i know better for the whole nation.
if i have to blame someone for present national situation, then i will surely blame them as they have worsened the situation, but still we need to restrain.
so brother justice, instead of hating them, try to see the bigger picture, no matter what you feel about them, to protect Nepal, we must all join our hands and serve the nation.
i hope you didn’t take it personally. well that is just my point of view.
anyways thanks for the above comment.
Lack of Law & Order in Nepal, Primarily a Maoist-Originated Problem
“बिद्रोहा गर्नु मोबदी को मत्रै हक होइन, सर्बसाधारण नेपाली जनता को हक हो।”
Recent news, public opinion polls and data produced by human rights monitoring groups unanimously point to the deteriorating law and order situation in Nepal as the biggest obstacle to constituent assembly elections. The voices that once appeased the chief perpetrators of today’s violence (most notably from Nepal’s elite media and civil society circles) are on the wane. Alongside this decline is rapidly diminishing tolerance of apologists who default to the excuse of this being a “transition period” in response to accusations of government complacency and ineffectiveness.
In combination, the result of these trends is a worrying indication of possible government action, backed by a media barrage of half-truths and hyped public sentiment. The Nepali public is being overwhelmed by misinformation that masks the real issues and aims to address the “symptoms” but leave the “disease” untouched.
For the reasons outlined below, the consequences of paramilitary operations (in the name of law and order) will be catastrophic to Nepal’s fragile peace, its sovereignty (what little remains) and to the overall integrity of the Nepali nation state.
1. Lack of law and order is a Maoist-bred problem, not a Madhesi problem
The facts are as follows: Both of the major armed factions running around the Terai belt and assassinating Maoists were formerly Maoists themselves. The JTMM-Goit and JTMM-Jwala Singh groups were trained in insurgency, ideologically indoctrinated, and finally armed by the Maoists who are in Nepal’s government today.
This inconvenient truth seems to evade Nepali mainstream media as attempts are made to characterize both JTMM factions as pseudo-terrorist organizations while cherishing the Maoists as mainstreamed champions of a “new Nepal.”
The hypocrisy is blatant, especially when the pattern of armed political cleansing and intolerance practiced by the Maoists (for over a decade) is now being exercised on the Maoists themselves. Two wrongs do not make a right (so the saying goes), but intentional failure to acknowledge how and why Maoist cadre are being targeted in the Madhes amounts at a minimum, to insincerity.
The fact that the Maoists were unable to capture state power through insurgent means and found it convenient to enter an alliance against an idiot King does not excuse the Maoists from their terror-based past or the crimes they perpetrated against the Nepali nation. What the JTMM factions are doing to the Maoists in the Terai is exactly what the Maoists did to the 7 party voter base all over Nepal.
If the Maoists were “rewarded” for their 12 year murder spree with government positions, on what logical grounds should the JTMM factions be denied from expecting the same (when it becomes convenient for them to canton their own arms)? Just as the Maoists believe they represented the popular will of the “people,” (a deluded claim easily disqualified by the Madhesi peoples’ uprising), JTMM cadres also believe they represent Nepal’s Madhesi people – up to 45% of the total population base (a claim that no other party in Nepal can legitimately make).
The unspoken truth is that the JTMM factions are giving the Maoists a dose of their own medicine, humiliating the Maoists in the Terai, and systematically dismantling the Maoist dream that they (and they alone) represent the popular Nepali will. The Maoists like humiliating others but don’t take kindly to being humiliated themselves.
Thus, a skewed focus on armed Madhesi factions (as the root-cause of deteriorating law and order in Nepal) – a foucs that lacks a holistic analysis to accoubt for the origination of the violent methods or the ramifications of accelerating this myopic point-of-view.
In the hype of constituent assembly elections, it seems lost on the politically active Nepalis how dangerous a view-point this is, and how it puts the entire Madhesi population at risk. This is a situation that is easily avoidable and unacceptable by any standard.
2. Not all Madhesis are JTMM just like not all non-Madhesis are not Maoists
The current Nepali government (including the Nepali Maoists) is leading a targeted campaign of double-standards to place the blame of insecurity on armed (breakaway Maoist) groups in Nepal’s southern belt – the Nepali Madhes (or Terai).
With every passing day, the probability of conformation along ethnic lines increases, as the Nepali government (guided by a coalition of men of similar ethnic background – popularly referred to as the “Bahunists”), gears up to launch security operations in the Nepali Madhes.
The need to uphold law and order in Nepal is paramount. But any suggestion that the application of force (increased security operations, joint Maoist-Armed Police Force action) will improve law and order, is plain stupid.
The failure of the same politicians in power today to initiate a concerted political campaign to complement security measures resulted in a political victory for the Maoists. A repetition of the same mistake of graying the lines between the armed Madhesi factions and the legitimate, political, Madhesi Janaadhikar Forum (MJF) is guaranteed to result in the same outcome – the attempt to treat a political issue, without broad political consensus, using force that ultimately results in civil war.
What increased rhetoric from Nepal’s Home Minister Krishna Prasad Sitoula (and subsequently from the Inspector General of Police Om Bikram Rana) amounts to is this: A convergence of interests between the parties in government and the Maoists.
Having committed themselves to a date for constituent assembly elections, the non-Maoist faction finds itself compelled to “improve” the law and order situation urgently. At the same time, the groups that have lost popular vote banks in the Madhes (the Maoists, the Nepali Congress and the UML), also find it convenient to collectively undermine the MJF (under the pretext of confronting groups like the two JTMM factions).
Given this context, one finds claims of the phenomenon of Bahunism (and Bahnuist domination of Nepal) to be more than just a conspiracy theory.
Any notion of “special security arrangements” that exclusively targets armed factions in the Madhes (and by default results in the loss of more innocent Madhesi lives) will be a policy disaster of unimaginable proportions. The mere fact that such operations using the paramilitary forces (the Armed Police Force) is even being contemplated, is completely unacceptable.
The parties in power (and especially the Maoists) must reckon with the political reality that the violent JTMM tactics are not endorsed by the MJF (or the Madhesi population-at-large). The fear of losing constituencies in the Madhes region is a political issue that is separate from law and order. This political issue needs a political solution which once had, will automatically incapacitate armed movements in the Terai. Any attempts at maintaining ethnic domination using the pretext of law and order will be futile.
3. If law and order is the main issue, start by taming the Maoists
The real key to solving insecurity in Nepal lies in taming the Maoists, the Young Communist League, and not just by storing Maoist weapons (and cantoning combatants that didn’t make the ranks of the YCL), but by permanently decommissioning stored weapons and sending Maoist combatants where they belong – in UNMIN cantonments.
The dysfunctional nature of UNMIN’s involvement in Nepal has surfaced repeatedly. It came up when Ian Martin said that only Human Rights Watch had claimed that children were in the ranks of cantoned Maoists (when a week prior, a UN agency made the same observation); technically speaking, it came up when Ian Martin claimed that the first phase of UN arms monitoring was complete (as in all Maoist combatants had been cantoned), an issue that now is easily debated by statements made by Prachanda on CNN-IBN (when the Maoists leader casually stated that some PLA commanders were in the ranks of the YCL).
Most pointedly, UNMIN’s dysfunctionality is demonstrated by an OHCHR report that states the following: “Many of the 45-member YCL Central Committee appointed in early February are former People’s Liberation Army (PLA) commanders and commissars who left the PLA and transferred to the YCL rather than assembling in the PLA cantonment sites subsequently set up as part of the peace agreement.” It would be an understatement to say that any phase of monitoring is complete given the knowledge Maoist military commanders occupy the ranks of the YCL.
However, UNMIN aside, the real dysfunction lies within the ranks of Nepal’s government itself. That Nepal’s so-called democratic parties and the Nepali nation-at-large are being held hostage a specific Maoist agenda – peace on Maoist terms – is no longer an unsubstantiated claim. This idea has been validated by so many events (and so many times), it has become cliché.
The Maoists violate one covenant after another in every signed agreement; they endorse vigilantism within the ranks of the YCL; they knowingly aggravate and encourage confrontation in the Madhes; they engage in fear-mongering by making misleading public statements (whatever happened to the claim of Royalist elements threatening American citizens or the Madhesi uprising being sponsored by feudal, regressive forces?).
And given the abundance of documented information (which is publicly available), should Nepal’s government even speculate where the source of instability (and lack of law and order) lies? If the YCL were disbanded tomorrow and the Maoists practiced what they have agreed to on paper, 90% of Nepal’s insecurity would be resolved right then and there.
Yet, when it comes to the question of law and order, Krishna Sitoula and Girija Prasad Koirala are predisposed to looking at Nepal’s south to engineer stability for CA elections? Shouldn’t they be focusing on the obvious, first?
Conclusion
All this talk of the political parties campaigning jointly or the adoption of special security measures in time for CA polls is nonsense. Before further discussions on elections or anything remotely related to security operations are had, Nepal’s interim government had better reach a political understanding with groups like the Madhesi Janadhikar Forum and guarantee political participation beyond token representation. Otherwise, all this “talk” will amount to nothing but empty words and broken promises that will lead to another civil war.
It is grossly irresponsible of the current interim administration to even consider the adoption of security measures, the integration of Maoist combatants into the national army, or elections of any kind, without first holding the Maoists accountable to their commitments. The unrestrained appeasement of Maoists must stop now and the Maoists must be treated as equal partners in Nepal’s peace process – not as the victors of the insurgency upon whose whim the Nepali people have peace.
Searching for excuses (exclusively) in the Madhes to explain away the root-cause of insecurity is unacceptable. Failing to recognize that post-insurgency Nepal will be a country where rights are available to ALL Nepalis (not just the privileged elite or a closed knit group of Bahunists) is a reality that Nepal’s entrenched political leaders must reconcile with, urgently.
There is no single group that has claim to representing the collective Nepali will – especially not the Maoists. So if sustained peace and functional democracy are what truly occupy the Nepalese political psyche, there had better be less talk of “special security arrangements” and adopting all measures available to maintain law and order, and more talk about guaranteeing fair and balanced political representation in the constituent assembly.
I find it interesting that “capitalists” like Krishnamurty from infosys and Premji from Wipro fly economy class by air while our own so called “commies”, Baburam and Prachanda prefer business/first class air travel like they just did going to Norway and Switzerland. Talk about practicing what you preach. I hope they enjoyed their flight with scotch whisky served throughout.
i just read the news, that indians are building a dam near nepal border which i believe that the international law prohibits, its quite clear that india is trying to do what is best for it not what is best for the nepali people. nepal really needs the water and wood that are plenty full in nepal. and they will allways get away with what they want. as long as capullos leaders of nepal lick their culos. and another thing i believe that nepal will serve more to india as a country with a puppet goverment then to take over nepal and make it a state like sikkim. as if they make nepal a state of india, india will be foced to spend money on nepal and i doubt that nepalese will give up easily. so india will have an insurgency which is really bad for it at the moment. with also the pakistanis on the other side. but if nepal is independent govt in the eyes of the world any problem in nepal will be a problem of nepal, india can just play god with us. and do what ever they want with us.
Armagedon is happening- when devil feast on cocktails and fly first class- its is just not right. Do the right thing and turn it upside down. Had enuff of this shit
Scoop:
Why don’t you just pate a link instead of pasting the whole article over and over?
http://nepaliperspectives.blogspot.com/2007/07/lack-of-law-order-in-nepal-primarily.html
As for the hand-shaking ceremony… come on people, let the hand-shaking continue in Norway while the second phase of arms verification falls apart in Nepal.
Anyone notice that the verification process has stalled and that there have been emergency meetings of the JCC in UNMIN?
Asheem – i like ur point of views, infact i think in a smimlar manner. nepal cannot have too many languages competing for prominence, bahun language must be the official lang for the sake of common platform to communicate, but it must be chopped and sliced and diced and made very very simple for everybody to understand. any effort of the state or bahunists to position it with ulterior motives must be undermined, that means no sanskrit in school, no nepali lang as a compulsory subject, use of refined nepali grammar etc mustn’t win any marks, instead english should be promoted – this helps us prepare for doing business in a global world. look at india – i can understand news in aaj tak, star news more than i can in nepal news or channel 1 news or any nepali news for that matter, coz the stress in former is use of simple lang to communicate with diverse people and that of latter (ours) is i dont know what fcukin bullshit … all things that put premium on eloquent brahmin lang must be undermined, if they want to promote it separately within their own community let them, but it cant be thrust upon everybody else.
If brahmins are as clever as they think they are, I hope they realise its in their best interest and the interest of everybody to create an equilitarian state. You cannot hog the entire hog there, you gotta share it.
Asheem bro, I understand your concern and let me assure you that I am equally concerned about it, and I believe it should be the concern of every Nepalese. The likelyhood of Nepal being disintegrated is remote to impossible, and I am very aware that the politicians use this “Fear of Disintigraion” to exploit the people to their own advantage.
While I aknowledge that it is wrong to use collective term such as Bahuns or Chetry as a problem for Nepal, and we should rather focus on inidividual Bahuns or Chetries, who were the real culprits and benefited most from historical events of Nepal. However, I also believe it is right to point out the fact that without racist caste system of Bahun-Chetry, Nepal would not be such poor and weak. Because of their proxmity in culture and caste of India, caste people of Nepal, of which Bahun/Chetry have the upper-hand are weakening the Nepal’s identity as Himalayan people that is distinct from low-land India. You can oberserve this encrouchment of Indianness in our daily life- music, dance, food, clothings, increasingly Nepali women marrying Indian men, to name of few. I thesis is it would not happen if it were not Bahun-Chetry psycho in Nepal’s political platform.
So, I my point is, yes we should have Unity, but most importantly, we need Uniformity. The uniformity in educational, economic and cultural development opportunity. The Bahun-chetry politicians are creating fear in poeple using ‘UNITY’ as their mantra to exploit people of other ethnic groups, and I believe continuation os such practice will be the one that will bring the most undesirable consequances- the disintegration. If the native Indigenous people wanted disintegration, they can always do it. I will give you an example. People living on the top of the hills surrounding Kathmandu Valley are all Tamangs, if they shut their borders and say, you are not allowed to come to our villages, Newars will have no way to get out of the valley. And Magars, Gurungs, Rais, Sherpas, and all others can follow the suit. They could have done this long ago if they think like Bahun-Chetry mentality. But because they believe in Unity, and they are Buddhist, they won’t won’t do so because it will bring sufferings to people, which is against their religion.
Bulls eye Justice.
Indigenous people have demonstrated far more patriotism and altruism than some of our more priviledged community in Nepal. Its unfortunate how some rotten ones give a bad name to their entire community.
Justice and Patriot have closed their eyes… they are blind…. discussing with them is waste of time……. I wish both of them …good luck in forming your own “Indigenous” driven Nepal…..
What is the fuss about all the Indigenous people being Buddhist? Aren’t you people having Kirat religion which is just the other name of lord Shiva?
About 10 years ago during the census in Nepal, I saw some indigenous people registered themselves as having Kirat religion than Hindu.
When asked, they told me they were directed to do so by some Indigenous Organization…
Back then I had smelled some conspiracy and I knew this was coming sometime in future..
And now I see … it with my eyes how educated people like Justice and Patriot (because those i encountered 10 years back were uneducated) are so blind folded and hate other fellow Nepali…….and do not recognize them as Nepali….
@ Justice, Patriot….why do u guys call yourself Nepali? Don’t you have your own name for Nepal?
Because i read above Justice calling Nepali language as a Bahun Language and so i guess Nepal is not his country… then please kindly tell me what is your Nationality and National Language?
Peace
Nepali
Nepali – i remember reading your other posts and you say everything but accept that theres a problem in our country created by ‘bahunbaad’. I dont understand why you waste time beating around the bush and indulging in vague insignificant things but stare at the problem directly.
But of course, the fact that even till now you still living in denial, means you will never look at it the way it is, means its a waste of time just replying to your post.
Let me ask you Nepali (if you are a true one indeed), tell me how do you suppose solving this ethnic mess, i.e. if you accept there is one in the first place.
nepali is fking bahuns lang dude. copycat of exact hindi thier ancestors. it was declared national lang only coulple of years ago n forcefully implemented in whole nation. older generation even doent call it nepali bhasa, tehy eatehr call it parbate, gorkhali or khas bhasa. we sure need this lang but we r as proud as u r of our lang, culture, religion, too. the ethnic prob of nepal is the most hot sub, it was the same platform that maoist used to gain such popularity n sucess, but in vain. now madhesisr the most agressive of all. even janjatis r tempted now. so think again dude wat is true nepal n nepali living inside this boudary n her real problems. accept our differences n learn to respect to gain respect urself dude…
hi justice,
it seems we are indulged in healthy argument here and lets try to put it that way for starters. i praise your point of view from my heart but still, we being different individuals, i still have some points that i totally or partially disagree.
well since we call each others bro, it just proves for me that, we even though have never met, have brotherly respect as both of us are Nepalese and both of love Nepal, which i am sure you agree too.
let me try to defend my points.
as you agreed in your comment, it is not collectively bahuns and chettries are bad, but there are some rotten elements in this community that should be held responsible, which i totally agree.
but for me there are ethnic groups which are better in some work than others. for example, sherpa’s in the feild of mountain climbing, marbadis while doing business and so on. it dosent mean that others can not indulge in these feilds but what i mean is that these groups basically are better than others. similiarly there are people better in fishing, honey hunters and this list can go on and on.
before me writing more, let me tell you something about me. i am asheem basnyat, a chettrie. i have been raised in a good family environment. my father is a real nationalist. i was raised in a disciplinary way of life as my father is a senior army officer. but never did he teach me to think that we are supreme, nor did he tell that we are warriors or anything that could dis balance the harmony of Nepali ethnic brotherhood. i still remember once he slapped me when i said, ” i am a chettrie, its in my blood”. i had classmates and very close friends from different ethnic back grounds while i was studying in xaviers as well as when i was in other schools. then for the past 5 years i have been living in china, studying here.
may be i am bias in this article, which you feel free to judge, but i will try in my personal best not to do so.
continuing my points let me tell you about indigenous people. they have been one of the most loyal people in the army. they are real examples of true nationalist people. i have seen them suffer more than others while in the army but still they never gave up. these indigenous people are the ones who fought alongside others while in the Anglo-Nepal war and other wars that followed making the name gorkha famous worldwide. if you still remember, the argument that me and my father had about nepali language it was about these people who dont get selected into the army for their height (which in average is shorter than other people) and their nepali language which is not good in comparison too. he said just because they arent 5’3″ and have bad nepali, they many times dont get selected. it has a hard truth. but in a professional army sometimes it matters. communication as you know is the backbone of the army. without communication, a professional army can not go to war. as i had pointed out before that nepali language is a basis of communication in nepal, at time of war if they dont speak nepali, a lot of lives can be lost. it is a hard fact and i feel bad about it. about thier height, i still dont know why they werent selected, is it because they wouldn’t look good in uniform or while marching or something. well height rule should be reconsidered i guess.
as you said if caste system wasnt there, nepal wouldn’t be as poor and as weak as now, but i dont think the caste system is the main reason here. it is an irony that after 1990 i can not remember even one none bahun and none chettrie PM, where are in panchyat there were some i guess. but still this isnt the only big problem in nepal. i am not saying it hasnt contributed something for the present situation. well tell me something honestly, while voting, how come the indigenous people keep on voting for these people when, they could have voted for one of their own? if they had done it, then a significant number of MPs would be indigenous people and these chaos could have been stopped. well there might be one reason or another, but it seems that they did not. so in this way, they should share the blame too.
it seems you did agree on my basic language point as i stated above. uniformity in education and others, will be hard when different languages are used. just for an example, there are tribes in Nepal where their total population is less than 1000. changing everything, including education sector, judiciary sector, beurocratic sector etc to their language is a huge financial burden and a step back in time. so instead on developing in this form, promoting Nepali language is a better, much better option. as patriot mentioned earlier, Nepali language itself can be clarified to make it easier for the gross population to understand.
about you saying that tamangs cover the hilltops of Kathmandu valley, i think i will have to disagree in that too. as far as i know, tamangs are in some patches in the northern belt of ktm valley living together with other ethnic groups. in the south i think the numbers of tamangs are far less.
bro, one of the biggest point that i need to disagree with you is that you are sounding as if the first priority in nepal at present is not to get rid of the un-nationalist forces, the corrupts and the terrorists, but is to get rid of bahuns and chettries. i dont think that this is a good sign in the cultural, social and ethnic harmony.
anyways i enjoy reading your comments more than i enjoy writing to you
keep it up
Baje,
I have tried links before but it goes into moderation and many times it is discarded.
Scoop,
I get updates from that NepaliPerspectives Google Group whenever something new comes on that blog. It works for me.
You can go to that site and subscribe to it.. maybe it will work then?
Baje, you misunderstand, I am trying to post it on this blog so all friends here can read these articles NOT for myself to read it. UWB discards most of the links I put up.
I see. That is strange. The moderators of this site have not discarded any links that I have placed for others to read.
It’s a free world… keeping a link off this site won’t keep the truth out. People will find ways to access the information regardless.
Well strange as it may seem to you it has happend to me repeatedly. I don’t have a good track record with UWB.
Balla Maobadi haru ko pani buddi phirechha??? Nepali ma ukhan chha ni=…… sake pchi dailo dekhne. Akhir barta ra santi samjhouta batai samasya samadhan hune rahechha ta kina banduk uthako???
PRACHANDE PANI KAHA KO BUDDIMAN HO RA?? SOJHA SAJHA JANTA KO RAGAT KHAYARA HURKIYEKO MANCHHE NA PARYO.
hahaha,mr babu ram is drinking orange juice.instead of drinking orange juice why don’t you drink blood?you are trying to show world that u are inocent.blood thirsty maiost.
hay harish bro be cold yar .They kill innocent Nepali when they are lunching war to bring republic in Nepal. now there is 80% fix to replace monarchy from Nepal. so they come to peace process. so, its better not to post such comment la.
Deborah visited Calcutta and came away wiser and sobeerd by the time she spent walking the streets, seeing the large-city conditions where a lot of money and TLC needs to be expended, going to see Mother Theresa, and amazed at the survival of 12 million people in this former British East India Company capitol. Enjoyed reading your trek through the Himalayas, and now glad you are warmer. Love, Jim