Tulsi Giri Conference: No News Is Good News?

Dr. Tulsi Giri, Nepal’s royal deputy, organized a news conference to talk nothing

tulsi giri press conference

Yes, Dr. Tulsi Giri repeated the stunt of waving a copy of the Constitution 1990 in today’s news conference. Today’s attraction: he waved a few other newspapers cuttings as well. Pic by Gopal Chitrakar via Kantipur

So that was nothing but just another Dr. Tulsi Giri show in the city. He didnâ??t give any scoop to hungry journalists in today’s news conference. Everyone was very curious about Dr. Tulsi Giri’s meeting with journalists. Will there be any significant announcement? One of the most guessed options was that the government would reciprocate Maoist’s cease-fire. Also, what’s the reaction of government on the 12-point agreement between seven party alliance and the Maoist? The govt. hasn’t formally reacted to the agreement though ministers have been expression, in their personal capacity, mixed remarks. They say that to respond formally, the government was studying the agreement.

Dr. Giri reiterated the govt.’s earlier stand that The press-meet, organized in the Information Department, was high-profile that is to say only selected higher-level scribes in the media houses were invited. Others who reached the ID building, near Airport, out of curiosity were kept out of the room. A reporter associated with a weekly publication told us over phone that his name wasn’t in the invitee’s list, “so I wasn’t allowed to enter.” Last time Dr. Giri held a packed press conference was when he was considered to be too much arrogant after he assumed the post of Vice Chair in the royal cabinet. He waived a copy of the constitution of Nepal and challenged its validity. Then there was another clandestine kind of press meet in which Dr. Giri held “private” discussion with selected journalists in his residence. Journalists waited for as long as one hour. Dr. Giri reached the ID building at around 3 PM, half an hour late.

The 12-point agreement talks about ending autocratic monarchy but according to Dr. Giri no peace will come even after that. Here are his verbatim based on Kantipur news editor Guna Raj Luitel’s account:

Parties have claimed that they convinced the Maoists for the ceasefire but Maoists haven’t addressed us. So, there is no need to reciprocate.

I have been misquoted and misunderstood by media.

The Feb 1 royal move is not the coup, its constitutional since it was done as per the article 127 of the constitution.

This is also not autocratic because there is the constitution functioning. Had there been no present constitution, the situation could have been termed as autocracy.

King had three agendas:

1. Ending Terrorism
2. Controlling Corruption, and
3. Holding Election.

And the latest news on those agendas? Maoists have been decapitated, they have massively lost attacking capacity. There is no corrupt environment in the country and the nation is in the election mood.

59 Responses to “Tulsi Giri Conference: No News Is Good News?”

lavesh Says:
December 20th, 2005 at 7:49 pm

Dr Gir…………i!

ProNepal Says:

December 20th, 2005 at 8:15 pm
How long Gyanendra can ride on this old horse?

blogwatch Says:
December 20th, 2005 at 8:40 pm

I do not know who gave the name MAKARTANTRA to this Government. I am now sure T. Giri is the best person KG could hire for his MAKARTANTRA. There is only one answer to the MAKARTANTRA: Sadakma jaun Prajatantra firta liun. But not like that of 2046 BS.

my love nepal Says:

December 20th, 2005 at 8:59 pm
hi is a doctor not a man of political vision.with no base of politics,his act forces us to think just as a card played,which can be made anything according to the type of game played.

bishnu Says:

December 20th, 2005 at 9:03 pm
Exactly! Seems this ROYALIST govermnet doesn’t want to solve the MAOIST problem, this Royalist GOVT doesn’t want PEACE of Nepal..

So better go to the street and fight agains AUTOCRACY…these OLD minded..coservative like Dr. Tulseeeee gireee doesn’t want to solve the problem stil…..they want still TERRoRISm in this country..they want fight….

twaaks Says:

December 20th, 2005 at 9:09 pm
this guy reminds me of “baghdad bob” who went on claiming that the “iraqi millitary wa gloriously repelling the american forces” even when the americans were right at his doorstep. this guy is too myopic, and barks whatever his handler tells him to.

Silly Old Fool! Says:

December 20th, 2005 at 9:15 pm
The old fool has been spouting off about nothing since his return to Nepal some months ago. …wasn’t he charged with theft or the non-payment of a loan (why isn’t he in jaol?)

Perhaps a better way for journalists to approach these sort of non-news conferences, would be simply not to attend them at all. And to the Journo from the Weekly who wasn’t invited, you missed nothing.

Oh and Dr, please don’t forget your “Ten Commandments” – thou shalt not lie – thou shalt not steal
etc etc

Reality Speaks Says:

December 20th, 2005 at 10:11 pm
Let me tell You ppl one real truth …

Maoist are Kgs gift to nepal. Before [icd] his brother Gyanendra had planned that he will first demolish nepal’s infrasatructure by Terroriosm and after the massacre when he will be king then he will put those netas back in prison and take over nepal in name of creating peace and will say his maosit puppets to stop killing. This way he kept nepalis in darkness and will take over nepal if no one is going to stop him…. This KG has more mind than saddam and GW Bush.

Wagle Says:

December 20th, 2005 at 11:13 pm
Watching Dact saheb on Kantipur TV this evening was a total fun. That was like watching a comedy soap opera. I mean I loved watching him being so clear on many issues though I have serious differences with what he says and what he stands for. He was crystal clear on his remarks that were destructive in nature. He was damn right on wrong points.

Dr. Giri said: “To say in simple words, we say NO. No to reconciliation with political parties based on 12-point agreement.” My God, how could he say NO to reconciliation when the agreement is all about continuing the monarchy in Nepal? It is clear that Dr. Giri hasn’t understood the agreement. Someone should explain him that the agreement doesn’t talk about ending monarchy though many would like to see that. The agreement talks about ending autocratic monarchy and that is different than ending monarchy. Dr. Giri said that monarchy was constitutional institution. Yes, very well said. But active or autocratic monarchy is not the constitutional institution.

Anyway, I again appreciate his bluntness but feel sorry about the situation ahead. More confrontation and possible bloodshed.

By the way, I heard, not confirmed though, that Radios were not invited in the press conference. And this doesn’t come as surprise because we know this government’s relation with independent Radio stations in Nepal.

Kirtipure Maharjan Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 12:16 am
Hello Wagleji, what were the newspapers cuttings about? Any information? Just curious to know what hurts (or refreshes) TG.

Chandan Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 12:58 am
Damn! The hidden rotten owl came out of hibernaiton and produced a “nightmare” decision. Mr. Giri…please leave Nepal… everyone says u r rotten and have no dignity…how can u cling to ure position and be an apple polisher of KG…
Now I think no pressure is going to stop KG and his henchmen from taking Nepal to the label of Iran or similar regressive regime. This a clear declaration that the parties would be supressed to the extreme in the pretext of disrupting elections. The height of terrorism is going to start not from the jungle but from the palace hatched by the evil KG and his henchmen…The KG even rebuffed Bush’s letter for a call for democracy…nothing is going to work now…KG u damn ******….U will have a horrible death…I will be looking out for that day in anticipation…!

Chandan Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 1:01 am
Dinesh dai,
Do you have any clues on what Mr. Giri discussed about the newspaper cutting…this piece would be more interesting than the outcome of the press conference…

Sanjay Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 1:03 am
We have a lond saying don’t rely on Giri, Puri, Yogi, Jogi, and Bharati of you do so you will go to hell not a heaven they promise. So it is upto the King Gyanandra—often called as—-the [icd] of Narayanhity—- and—-the father of a [icd] of Kathmandu—-now living at Nirmal Niwas to decide of whom to rely on. Is it T Giri, Sachhit, Bharat Keshar and Pamar Pandey to the rest of 24 million voiceless people.

Sanjay Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 1:08 am
We have a proverb saying don’t rely on Giri, Puri, Yogi, Jogi, and Bharati of you do so you will go to hell not a heaven they promise. So it is upto the King Gyanandra—often called as—-the butcher of Narayanhity—- and—-the father of a mad dog of Kathmandu—-now living at Nirmal Niwas to decide of whom to rely on. Is it T Giri, Sachhit, Bharat Keshar and Pamar Pandey or the rest of 24 million voiceless people on whom King Gyanendra to rely. What says T Giri doesn’t matter here but what does King Gyanendra maters for us all. Loktantra jindabad!!

Iam4Democracy! Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 8:58 am
Where the [icd] this Tulshi Giri come from? He is an [icd]!

Shree Shrestha Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 9:38 am
Don’t count Dr. Giri out yet. He knows ins-and-outs of Congress Party. I want to remind you that he is instrumental in bringing BP Government down. Let me also add that he is the youngest minister in BP Government. I don’t want to go in detail here. But he is not terrorist like Girija who threw bomb at King Mahendra’s LandRover. And he is definitely not like Girija who hijacked RNAC plane to India and looted Rastra Bank Money.

Pudke Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 10:02 am
Dear TU GIRI

Though I am a non-christian Pudke I like to wish you Merry Christmass.
I saw you in Telivision making KG more aglo (taller). But you know when a tall tree fells down then there will be a loud noise in the jungle. Taller the tree louder the noise. I guess you are clever enough not be around a falling tree and perhaps you will be in your next home country. Because you do not know which direction it is going to fall. But people like me no where to go. Do you really want people who are demanding democracy to be crushed by a falling tree like a few trees in the jungle?

Pudke Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 10:15 am
Dear Sanjay: One Giri does not represent all children of Sanyasi. Let us not make any stereotype. T. Giri has no fault to be a son of a Sanyasi. I think he did not applied in heaven to be a son of a Sanyasi. If he could had he would have been a son of … You know what I mean.

Rabin Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 10:20 am
How much money does Nepali king earn?
Dear Nepali citizens and foreign lovers of Nepal, You might be wondering why Nepal is still poor when its countries of equal economic status has reached the sky with booming economic development.
Nepal is one of the poorest countries of the world but Nepal’s king is the highest paid king of the world.
The income of Nepali king Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev is :
2,426 times higher than that of Chinese president
318 times higher than that of Indian president
301 times higher than that of Pakistani president
173 times higher than that of Russian president
57 times higher than that of French president
15 times higher than that of British prime minister
10 times higher than that of American president

Netherlands queen’s income : Rs. 22,32,00,000 (per capita income Rs 17,25,120 )
American president earns Rs. 3,24,00,000 (1,15,20,000 returns in tax),
(per capita income Rs 25,24,320)
Japanese king earns Rs. 22,23,52,000 (per capita income Rs.24,15,600)
Chinese president earns Rs. 1,35,000 (per capita income Rs 67,680)
Indian president earns Rs. 10,11,000 (per capita income Rs 34,560)
French president earns Rs 57,96,000 (per capita income Rs 15,84,000)
Pakistani president earns (after the coup) Rs 10,94,000 (per capita income 29,520)
British Queen does not get any salary from the state. She has a property of Rs 30,24,00,00,000 (the profit of investiment, after paying the tax, is hers) but even her neckless is the property of the country.
British president earns Rs 2,19,58,000 (per capita income is Rs 18,16,200)
Russian president earns Rs 19,03,000 (per capita income is Rs 1,54,000)
Belgean king receives salary as a civil servant (per capita income is Rs 16,74,000)
And,
Nepali king earns Rs 61,91,00,000 (per capita income is Rs 16,560=US$ 230)
[This means the Nepali king earns Rs. 19,878 times higher than a citizen. Last year it was 37,385 times higher. Thus a citizen can earn as much as the king earns in a year only after working for 19,000 years or in 316 lives.]
Appendix
Nepali royal family is involved in various businesses.
A king does not have to pay tax according to Nepal’s constitution.
The present king has inherited the property of earlier king’s family and nobody knows how much it is.
This king has taken Rs 1,06,45,00,000 in past three years for his small family

Courtsey: Surya Thapa, Mulyankan Monthly (Nov-Dec 2005)
US dollar 1 = Rs 72
Nepal has a writing system of giving comma after two digits except the last.

sameer Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 10:39 am
I wonder how long this circus is going to continue. We the people must not forget our role during the chayalis saal andolan and our subsequent achievements. If we fire ourselves up, stand up for our rights, none of these b*****ds stand a chance of subduing us.

hawkeye Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 11:26 am
as long as there are spectators to applaud the circus

TOP of The World Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 12:45 pm
Dr. Giri is far better than Hawaldar Gireeja in politics. Gireeja always makes mistakes and Giri never mistakes. Giri speaks nepalese mind and Gireeja speaks his doughter’s mind. Baburo Girija he only sees his doughter jost. Giri,,,?

Tulsi Giri in the Press Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 12:47 pm
Audacious remark (Editorial of the Kathmandu Post based on Tulsi Giri press conferece) (posted here by UWB)

Dr Tulsi Giri, the first vice chairman of the royal government, claimed that the government has so far been successful in the roadmap laid out by the King immediately after the February 1 takeover. Thus he made it clear that the government is in no mood to compromise. Giri asserted that the government had been successful in breaking the backs of the “terrorists” and maintaining peace in the country, and even declared that high level corruption had been eliminated. So, according to him, the government was now all set to hold elections to “re-energize” democracy in the country.

The firebrand anti-democratic leader said the government would not respond to the ceasefire announced by Maoists, and it would not reconcile with 0political parties as long as there are pre-conditions like abolition of autocratic monarchy or restoration of the dissolved parliament.

Why is Dr Giri, who has claimed repeatedly that he has no faith in democracy, suddenly claiming that the government where he is the seniormost minister, is a democratic government, and the February 1 royal move was not a coupe? According to our understanding, it is the result of tremendous foreign pressure on the government to restore democracy.

It is the result of stepped up concern and pressure on the king to reach out to political parties by none other than American president George W Bush. Similarly, Indian foreign secretary Shyam Saran has also reportedly reminded the king about the latter’s understanding with the Indian Prime Minister in Dhaka. The European community has been persistently pressurizing the government to hand over people’s power to people’s representatives. Probably, the government might have realized it would be beneficial to hoodwink the world by claiming itself democratic instead of reaching out to political parties.

The intention of the royal government is to hold municipal elections by hook or by crook and gain certain crediblity. But this is being threatened by the growing understanding between political parties and the Maoists, and it is also worried by the support the 12-point agreement is gaining among the international community and the general public. Hence, one of the agendas of Giri and his ragtag team is to try its best to send the Maoists back to the jungle. If the Maoists go back it would be easy for the government to use arms against anyone who opposes the governmet in the name of suppressing terrorism.

Instead of trying to confuse the public and donor countires, it would have been in the best interest of the monarch to extend hands of friendship to political parties and the Maoists, because the conflict that is going to be unleashed by such an audacious move will only worsen the situation.

2. The Kathmandu Post news on the conference

3. Kantipur News on Tulsi Giri perss conference.

4. Kantipur Editorial on same event.

tg Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 12:51 pm
Rabin,

For your info, let me say that you have quoted the salaries of the various heads of state not the budget required for their household, office, security, travel,and all their staff to boot. The budget for the King as you put it includes the salary of the several hundred staff working at the palace, the expenses of all royal households, the security for all royal households, travel, etc. etc. The King does not get 64 crores cash if that is what you are trying to imply.

duke Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 1:19 pm
Whatever people talk about Tulsi Giri, but I found TGiri very clear in his vision. There is saying that “Kuro ra kulo lai jata lage pani hunccha”. He had clearly mentioned that whether parties are after 2046 constitution or “not”? What is the reason for boycotting the election?

It is true parties should clerly give the message atleast to the people whether they like to accept this constitution or not? If they like to change then what changes they like to do in the constition? What will be the direct impact to the general deprived people and races. We all are confused. If they do not accept constitution and king then what is the next step. Fight directly with the king with the support of the maoist? What really changes they like to have with joining hands with maoist what people will gain? People will gain freedom that is not the answer. How people will be assured with maoist and parties. To be very frank people like us who like to see pure democracy in the country are also aware with the parties misdeeds of the past and maoist killings. To be very frank maoist and UML are planning to play the game, where NC is loosing its grounds. Are we heading toward more democracy or more autocracy after gaining the power from the king. The symptons we are seeing is negative than this rule. But it doesnot mean that we don’t need democracy also.

D.MICHAEL_VANDEVEER Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 1:32 pm
Is Now the Time for Democratic Revolution,

or will Nepal remain stuck in the Past ?
PLEASE HELP ANSWER…

Will KG & GK still make the People of Nepal Slaves ?

AD Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 2:22 pm
Hey! Hey!
I have an annoucement here.

21’st Century Best Comedian Awards goes to Dr. Tulsi Giri of Nepal.

This award was given to him for his hilarious comments he regularly
makes in media.

pawan Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 3:00 pm
“or will Nepal remain stuck in the Past ?”

D.MICHAEL_VANDEVEER ji we will move ahead and first step is to crush the maoists terror and then rout the maoism from here. you see the maoist revolt can not be resolve peacefully. there are no single example that it could be resovled by peaceful mean. look at the Peru, Chile, Malaysia, Thailand, India and many others, all of them could not resolve maoists revolt with peaceful mean, neither we will. they must be dealt with iron fist.

the maoist’s revolt is against the state, they are doing business with seven parties that does not sound good, and that will not bring peace to the country. which also mean that maoists dont want any peace deal with state, meaning they want more conflict.

in 12-point understanding, Nepali Congress came out clear loser, because there are very few people in Congress rally, while communists rally enjoy maoists support. also news paper like Kantipur Daily and Kathmandu Post pay little attention to girija’s view—only on third or fourth pages—while they cover communists rally on front page and also big pics of rally with huge communists flags. on Makune’s rally at Baneshwor, Kantipur Daily had headline “RED KATHMANDU” with a big pic. same thing is true about UWB team. on one topic mr wagle potraited Giraja as a dictator. i know mr wagle is big fan of Bam Dev Gautum—a master butcher from jhapa, still talk cutting a human six inches down the head(seems like he love this job).

the conclusion, both kantipur publication and UWB showing their backs on democracy. both want to see communists at the Sinhadurbar.

Rabin Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 4:38 pm
dear TG,

whatever you said are amy b correct but please look at the facts tht those countries are economically sound and fine…but what about us? We, the poorest people, have to pay taxes to gave him 64 crore ayear just so that our so called popular king can ride BMW or Rols Royce, or take the plane of already shaking RNAC for world tour….or spend 10’s of crore in the name of tour. Don’t forget this data doesn’t include his expences as foreign tour……

Government has to allocate additional budget for tht. He takes such much money for his luxury and we don’t hav food to eat and clothes to wear. You are here with sound financial backing but what about people at Rolpa, Humla, Jumla ? They are also payin tax and gettin nothin….My only concern is to let peole know how much our king spend yearly…if he could spend tht on development…then think ?

blogwatch Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 5:45 pm
Watching various view in this blog I came to the following conclusions:

1. Shahs and Ranas dynasty ruled Nepal for a period of many times than those from Democracy. But Royalist always talks about 12 years of rule.
2. Before and after Feb 1, 2005 Army and other Security organizations were never aggressive against MBs but they were after political parties and their supporters.
3. One theory which is still alive that: MBs were supported by Palace in the past to make a Failed Democracy in Nepal. The palace was successful to some extent. Perhaps thanks also go to the lack of expertise in GPKs, SBDs, and Makunes.
4. Royalists always take issue of so called Nationalism. The same was true for Rana regime in the Past. Peopleâ??s stomachs are not filled by Nationalistic causes and the backward people never come forward with so called nationalistic education.
5. Now and then Royalists try to scare people with their cards of Sikkimisation, Bhutanikaran, etc. and bashing of India with Sustas, Tinker, etc. But I do not know who is stopping the Royal Government to raise such issues with India.
6. As long as MBs are there KG is there to remain.
7. Royalists see GPKs and Makunes going to India but they ignore KGâ??s effort for his would be India Tour and above all historic India tour of King Tribhuvan and treaty of 1951.
8. Leader of all Royalists Dr. T. Giri is so sure of controlling MBs but he can not give the time frame.

May be I am wrong with my conclusions but I am sure our Good days are far from us untill people come to street.

guy Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 6:28 pm
I finally figured out that this king should go on rulling nepal. its better to have a home grown [icd] like paras to rule this country than those indian [icd] like girija. After all [icd] is a home grown.

Wagle Says:

December 21st, 2005 at 7:05 pm
I tried to ask those who were present in the conference. They said T Giri read out a newspaper cutting that said something about seven deadly sins of press written by the Asian Age chief editor M J Akabar. T Giri is holding the same article and asked nepali jurnailsts to be fair. He also quoted Prof. Abhi Subedi. “Abhi Subedi ji wrote in the Kathmandu Post that Tulsi Giri always carries the constitution like Bible? Nagare ra ke garnu? Boknu pari gyao ni.”

By the way, I also smiled this morning while reading Kantipur. Nearly half of the Front Page was occupied by T Giri’s press conference and headline was: “This is Democracy, What restoration?” Ha..ha..ha. That’s what T Giri said. I mean newspapers sometime publish jokes on their front pages and I took that news that way. Kantipur has blasted off the Giri statements in its editorial which was a solace to readers like me. The piece begins with this line: T Giri made the world laugh by saying there is democracy in Nepal. Anyway, that was fun to read Dact Saheb.

another smart Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 2:04 am
blogwatch,
i agree with your conclusion…this is the gist.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060103115344/http://www.kkcr.org/ Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 2:05 am
Pawan,
You will never “root the Mabadi out”, the King and the US have tried.
Better do what the Real-King Birendra was doing, and come to the Peace Table.

D.MICHAEL_VANDEVEER Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 2:06 am
d.Wagle,

the only “DEADLY SINS OF THE PRESS”, are NOT TO TELL THE TRUTH !

Kishor Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 7:03 am
And I heard TG saying that the elections of “rastriya panchayat” will be held after the local ones. Panchayat is hardwired in their minds, they cannot think/reason beyond that point. What type of democracy should we expect from the current government?

tg,
Your “fact” is just a deception. I strongly disagree with you. The “bhatta” goes directly to the pocket of king and his family. The other expenses you talk about are borne by the government. The security is from the defence budget, staff expenses from the bureaucratic budget and even a small pin is purchased by the state. You talk about travel expenses, you forgot the recent travel expenditure for African safari by the state for the jumbo visit team!! Monarchy is just a “seto hatti” that enjoys more than 1% of the Annual Budget (Compare it with other nations. Hope percentage would be helpful).

pawan,
Everything that doesn’t match your idol should be red, isn’t it? Remember the fact that Nepal had the first elected “communist” government in this world. If you talk about communism, show me which country in this world has communism. China might be your example, but it is no more than a capitalistic country. We want to replace the feudo-capitalistic economy with true capitalism (beyond that are is not possible within few of our generation). For me name doesn’t matter as long as it is progressive.

yodam Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 9:24 am
Tulsi giri should be boycotted on the basis that he is mentally unfit. how can someone be so dumb, irresponsible and stubborn and be mentally fit at the same time? he is gone nuts

pawan Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 1:18 pm
D.MICHAEL_VANDEVEER:’You will never root the Mabadi out, the King and the US have tried’

we will. we would have crushed maoists long time ago, if our ‘friendly’ southern neigbhor had helped us. you see the pact between political parties and maoists that New Delhi has orchestrated, they dont want see same pact with government. solution of conflict largely depend upon the ‘will’ of the New Delhi. also how can this pact resolve the conflict if maoist is fighting against state and democracy, not with parties. as i have already stated, in this world NO COUNTRY HAS RESOLVED MAOISTS CONFLICT PEACEFULLY. all conflicts ended on maoists defeat.

Kishor:’Everything that doesnâ??t match your idol should be red, isnâ??t it?

i dont see any thing wrong calling communist a communist.

Kishor:’Remember the fact that Nepal had the first elected communist’.’

that is not something we should be proud of.

Kishor:’If you talk about communism, show me which country in this world has communism’

there are none, therefore we should not have one either.

Kishor:’We want to replace the feudo-capitalistic economy with true capitalism’

you mean maoism is true capitalism? you must be kidding here. go to hell man.

lastly kishor, destroying telephone tower and other infrastuctures by maoists and vandalizing the city property by communists student is NOT CAPITALISM. and kishor you are confused man, you cant differentiate between terror and prosperity.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060103115344/http://www.kkcr.org/ Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 1:32 pm
Pawan,
New Delhi has not been able to “wipe out the Mabadi” either.
Much of the movement in India and Nepal traces it’s roots to Naxabari, just over the border from Kakarbitta(sp?).
This is where the Naxalites organized the popular-movement against the tea-growers.
The only way Maoist will ever be defeated is to defeat:caste, poverety,surfs and explotation of great masses by a few overloards & kings.

Iam4Democracy! Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
It’s not new anymore to anyone, this Giri is a laughingstock! or I should say a laughing goat if there is such thing. But whoever he is, and where ever he is, it is amazing that man of astounding stupidity is allowed to be a spin doctor, ha ha ha…!

pawan Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 3:22 pm
India did wiped out maoists from Bengal.

black sheep Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 3:52 pm
nepal have tasted all of the politicians during different periods of time.
We all know ,nobody of them were capable . And our country is still trying to fit a right nail in it’s hole. No nepalese nail were capable of fitting and KG brought back this rotten 2nd hand nail, but rather than a nail it proved to be a penis and it is enjoying screwing Nepal.

nepali folks no need to go to the streets, because u will be a fool to break ur heads for no cause and no dignity.
Rather wait , time will tell……………………………..

Nepali Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 3:59 pm
I watched the interview on TV, and I beg to differ with Wagle’s view that Dr. Giri was clear in his opinions. With his half baked Nepali, Giri was just venting his venom on very serios issues facing the country. No wonder he ate Panchayat system out ! He did not express his logical opinions on any issues, he just forced himslef and showed how faithfull he is to his master. A dog does not have an opinion, he just barks at the sight of intruder. One can despise all political leaders and parties of the country, but can not accept this lunatic as the so called vice chairman of council of ministers.

krishna Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 4:27 pm
Pawan;

I do not deny that india might be supporting maoists in some way… but I totally reject your idea that maoist problem can be solved in a day if india wants… Neither india is that much powerful to control terrorist activities on its own soil nor it will be possible for india to curb terrorism in some other country when it struggles to control its own.

Also remember that tamil tigers were openly supported by india… later when they started to claim tamil nadu of india as tamil elam india sent its troops but still could not do anything substantial… america is struggling to control terrorism in iraq despite as you know the being lone super power….

so as micheal says only way to defeat maoists is by action on neplese soil… not just military action… bringing them into political mainstream is the best option but not so easy as it seems… KG has complicated the matters for worse…

Maobadipidit Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 5:36 pm
Krishna,

Yes, if India wants it will be solved within month. The case of Tamil and our maobadi is totally different.

krishna Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 6:12 pm
Maobadipidit

Then munch snacks and momo and keep watching movies and have fun. After all there is nothing for us to do to improve the condition of our country… lets pray to a map of india as bharat mata and hope that she will correct everything…
And can you kindly tell me whom I need to pray to solve KG problem once India listens my prayer to solve maoist problem?

Shree Shrestha Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 8:06 pm
Maoist is the result of the failure of 1990 democracy in Nepal. We need real democracy. It has to begin from within the political parties. First of all, all the members, president, vice president, general secretary should be elected directly. No body should have the power to nominate any body. After the establishment of democracy within the party only the political parties will earn the right to demand democracy in the country. I really want so called leaders to start campaign for the election of the Prime Minister by the general public.

let it be Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 10:54 pm
Its final preparation of T GIRI to leave country . Nepal has no place even to burried his dead body

budunca Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 11:06 pm
ya thats true let it be
i think all leader of political parties must leave too to join their maoist friends in india. Maoist are leaving peace full life there and people over here dont know when they are going to die.

pawan Says:

December 22nd, 2005 at 11:51 pm
krishna:’I do not deny that india might be supporting maoists in some wayâ?¦’

i am not talking about India supporting maoist—may be she is—but if you look at her capacity to bring maoists to the table and produce a pact one like 12 point understanding, then you will understand the meaning of ‘will of New Delhi’. meaning she has both ‘will’ and ‘way’ to produce such pact between any side.

as i stated in previous posts, maoists are fighting against the state, but india did not bring the maoists to table to talk with this government and previous government. instead she brought two forces that are opposing the state and give maoists chance to play a game. now what does that mean. that mean no peace, more conflict. India has very very high stack on Nepal, but its upto Nepali diplomats how it going to deal it and make it a benefit to Nepal’s interest, if likes of Makune play it like a monkey business then …

krisha:’Also remember that tamil tigers were openly supported by indiaâ?¦ later when they started to claim tamilnadu of india as tamil elam india sent its troops but still could not do anything substantialâ?¦ america is struggling to control terrorism in iraq despite as you know the being lone super power’

well if you keep chasing pawn instead of head then you cant defeat terrorism. Peru defeated maoists when it captured Guzman, same thing happend in Chile when it killed Chevera. same was true in Malaysia and Thailand. but in Nepal we can not chase baburam and prachanda beyond our border, that is why we need indian assistance.

by the way, krishna and micheal do you have any name of country in your mind that resolved the maoists revolt on the table? also remember UWB and kantipur had turned their back at girija and other democratic parties

http://web.archive.org/web/20060103115344/http://www.kkcr.org/ Says:

December 23rd, 2005 at 1:02 am
Pawan,
Not so, THE “MAOIST HAVE NOT BEEN DEFEATED IN BENGAL” the CPI which is the largest party in Bengal has reportS that the Mabadi are alive and well, espically in “Ghurkaland” aka Darjeeling & Kalampong.

I am a journalist and have traveled there for years. As soon as you get in the small-villages you will find that those in the GLF who struggle to make Nepali an “official language” and seperate the Darjeeling area from Bengal have made allance with the Maoist. They are trained, fed and hid there on a regular basis.
This is also true in Assam where there are many ethnic Nepalis who have been pushed out of Bhutan.

Pawan my brother,

I hope you Love Nepal more than you Hate the Maoist… if you do you will be part of the Solution and not part of the Problem..
The only way to move forward with the Mabadi(maoist) is AT THE PEACE TABLE !
LONG LIVE THE NEW DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF NEPAL!

pawan Says:

December 23rd, 2005 at 3:11 pm
D.MICHAEL_VANDEVEER ji, what i mean was india flushed out maoists from
calcutta and from major Bengali cities. but you can always find small bands of them in small villages and they are on the run, meaning they are no longer operational.

MICHAEL ji, i am still wondering how many countries has resolved the maoist conflict on the PEACE TABLE? and do you think it is possible here especially when someone else is pulling their string?

duke Says:

December 23rd, 2005 at 5:42 pm
Shree Shrestha is totally right. There should be democracy within the parties to elect president and vice president. People should allow to choose Prime Minister directly. Prime minister should allow to choose the ministers. There should be atleast 3/4th majority required to remove the prime minister and re-do election. The corrupted member of the parliament should not be allowed to enter again in the parliament. The total power should be with the prime minister to handle the situation of the country including security force. The security force and government bodies should be out of the politics and should promoted or transfer within their bodies. King should accept to stay like other countries. There should not be politics in all sectors to destroy the whole system.

Rohit Says:

December 24th, 2005 at 12:51 am
Peru defeated the Maoists, yes, but that was not because of ‘military action’. They used intelligence to catch him……

In Nepal we are still using primitive means—torture, killings, etc. That won’t work. In Peru, the government realized its folly and tried to implement many things that the Maoists said.

And people, get over the India hangover. India cannot control the Maoists. Don’t you guys follow the news or something? Remember what happened in Bihar? India, India, India, blaming it is so damn convenient, isn’t it? Grow up.

D.MICHAEL_VANDEVEER Says:

December 24th, 2005 at 1:47 am
Pawan,
I do not see Nepali-Maoist as having their “strings pulled” by others anymore than the “Democratic Parties” or KG.

We live in an interconnected world, and all of us look for allies where we can find them. The Maoist are no exception.

In the end it does not matter how other countries delt with their Monarchy or Maoist.
In Nepal there are many forces from the US, India, China and others who will use the “Peoples War” for their own selfish reasons and in the end DO NOT CARE ABOUT NEPAL.

The US & India see Nepal as a cheap sourse of labour &
hydro-electricty reguardless of the fact that if giant-dams are built the fabric of nepal’s culture will be buried under water !

The US also sees Nepal as a place where Kings & PM’s can be bought and sold for a few NR’s/dollars and a good place to keep their tentacles-of-war in S.Asia.

China sees Nepal much like Tibet as part of “Greater China” and a buffer to India.

The Maoist are much less a threat to Nepal than the United States & ONLY AT THE PEACE TABLE WILL NEPAL CHART IT’S OWN FUTURE !

pawan Says:

December 24th, 2005 at 10:31 pm
Michael: ‘We live in an interconnected world, and all of us look for allies where we can find them. The Maoist are no exception.’

true. and maoist got one or two—seven parties?. you know the rule—’DIVIDE AND RULE’—but we are aleardy divided, small—or large—band of people(led by likes of Makune,Prachanda) going out for allies or shall i say retailing themselves—with different agendas and issues, making US, China, India plenty of options to pick up from, making their job easy, jeopardizing Nepal’s own interest. michael ji, do you think this kind of activity will bring peace to the country?

Michael:’China sees Nepal much like Tibet as part of Greater China and a buffer to India.’

and India feel same way about China. now if both these nuked countries decide that they have very high stack on this country(there is already one), went on to pursue its interest by all means, then we are finished as a country. so its job of the parties to cool them down and do not inflame it any further.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060103115344/http://www.kkcr.org/ Says:

December 25th, 2005 at 1:47 am
PAWAN,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL POSTINGS..
Conversation is the basis of democracy !

Final Solution Says:

December 25th, 2005 at 3:18 am
I think the best option and strategies will be to wait and see how these Makunes together with Maobadis will be able to COMPLETELY WIPE OUT KG, Paras, Mandales and bring Republic Democracy in Nepal.

Once, they are there and works honestly to establish, develop and foster TRUE REPUBLIC MULTIPARTY DEMOCRACY WITH NEW FOUNDATION including all RACE & TRIBES from throughout Nepal, it is OK otherwise,

IT IS BETTER TO [icd] ALL TOP LEADERS FROM ALL POLITICAL PARTIES TOGETHER WITH THEIR FAMILIES, FRIENDS AND CHILDRENS COLD BLOODLY LIKE IN NAGARKOT PAVING WAYS FOR NEW GENERATION OF TRUE DEMOCRATIC NEPALESE YOUTHS.

I think ALL TRUE GENERAL NEPALESE PEOPLE FED UP WITH THESE POWER MONGURS, GREEDY, DIRTY POLITICIANS WITH THEIR KHASISM CULTUUR.

NOW ITS NOT KHASI MAAR HANNE CULTUUR ANYMORE ITS GONNA BE GAAI KATNE CULTUUR.

JAI NEPAL

democratic lover Says:

January 1st, 2006 at 12:31 am
dr saab is still in the mood to bring the time of his teen ages but now he should know that its the 21st century and people of this century love democracy in its fullest. So i suggest the so called Dr.? giri to speak the speech which favours to the people in the democratic way otherwise he may have to leave nepal losing all the things.

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