Bahunists and Bahunism: Caretakers of Nepal’s Feudal Tradition
Comment of the Moment: Originally Posted Here by Dinesh Koirala (Courtesy: Sano Baje)
[UWB: We do not necessarily agree with the following piece but decided re-publish it here mainly for two reasons: One, we respect voices from all sides. Two, the article cites two of UWB posts as "excellent examples of Bahunists in action" though the word "excellent" doesn't come for us as something to be proud of. We are strongly against any discriminations based caste and ethnicity. We support the empowerment of all communities in Nepal.]
For those of us who have lived with this phenomenon all our lives, what is described below is no big revelation. However, for the benefit of those who think Nepali politics boils down to a struggle between Royalists and Maoists, or democrats and autocrats, or centrists and extremists, they are only partially correct. There is one other critical grouping that serves as chief sponsor of the political turmoil in Nepal - the Bahunists.
Who are the Bahunists?
So who (what) exactly are the Bahunists? Well, those who believe in Maoism are Maoists; those who believe in the Royal tradition are Royalists. Similarly, those who believe in the “Bahun-baad” tradition, are the Bahunists.
What is the “Bahun-baad” tradition and who precisely are the Bahunists? Ask any Janajati, Dalit, Newar, Madhesi (or non-Brahmin individual) - he or she will provide you a dissertation on what “Bahun-baad” is and exactly how much damage the Bahunists have done to the idea of liberal democracy in Nepal.
Ask the Chhetris, the Thakuris, the Ranas, the Thapas, the Mallas, the Shresthas, the Tamrakars, the Kayasthas (etc.) the same question, and it is likely they will give you a different answer. Members of these groups are sure to know who the Bahunists are, but they probably don’t understand the phenomenon that well.
Why? Because for centuries, Bahunists have successfully performed as the mechanism that enables (and amplifies) Nepal’s feudal traditions; at the same time, the Bahunists have been successful in portraying the non-Bahunists as either the face, or the victims of feudalism.
Why are the Bahunists so Angry and Dangerous?
It is important to note that not all Brahmins are Bahunists. Just like not all Chhetris are Royalists and not all Janajatis are Maoists. This being said, all Bahunists (like other minority extremists), are bad news. Just like the hard-core Royalists give the Chhetris a bad name, the hard-core Bahunists give the Brahmins a bad name.
At least when Royalists have disagreements with other Royalists, all they do is publish trashy articles about each other in the media. When Maoists argue with other Maoists, the one with the bigger balls puts the other one in detention and then India steps in and sorts things out.
When Bahunists have arguments with other Bahunists, all hell breaks loose - look at what happened when the Bahunists in the Nepali Congress and the Bahunists in the Maoists disagreed - the whole country suffered for 12 years!! This is one of many reasons why Bahunists are bad for Nepal, just like their extremist friends from other camps.
To put it plainly, the Bahunists have functioned for ages as priests and “purohits” (mostly in the houses of high-caste Chhetris, Hindu temples, etc.) during times of unrest and war. During times of peace, they have operated in the shadows, for example, by completely Sanskritizing the exam to enter the Nepali Foreign Service, by excluding members of other ethnic groups and castes from politics, by monopolizing the state’s political beaurecracy, by inserting key Bahunists in the Nepali Police, etc.
The Bahunists’ fathers and forefathers accomplished the process of monopolizing state power (from within government), but some Bahunist off-spring are still angry. Why are Bahunist off-spring so violently against the idea of Monarchy? Because they are now accomplished in their own fields and find shame in the fact that their ancestors were preists in the Palace.
It’s all very simple. Bahunist off-spring feel entitled to respect because of their accomplishments, but are unable to let go of their ancestral pasts and earn the respect just like everyone else. Shame is a powerful driver of hatred, as anti-Americanism flourishing the Arab world has shown. But Bahunists are embarrassed and angry for the all the wrong reasons.
If Bahunists (who have enjoyed privileged existences their whole lives) are angry, how should the Janajati and Madhesi and other minority groups feel at being repressed by the Bahunists all their lives? Remember, it may be a stupid individual like Gyanendra who sits at the wheel of the “ship,” but read history - it has always been Bahunists that have guided and assisted idiots like Gyanendra, navigate the “ship.”
What do Bahunists, Illiberal Democrats and the Ku Klux Klan, have in common?
In Nepal, Nepotism, sycophancy and exclusion all have one thing in common - the Bahunists. With the exception of a few “token” members from other caste groups, Nepal’s politics, Nepal’s education system, Nepal’s public sector, Nepali media, are all completely dominated by Bahunists and their circle of semi-slaves.
When examined according to the dimensions of elite-ness and exclusivity, the Bahunists in Nepal behave much like the Ku Klux Klan (at their height), in the United States of America. The Bahunists look down on other castes, they feel superior to other classes and they advocate Bahunist supremacy, non-stop.
The “beauty” of how the Bahunists operate is that they do so under the idea of democracy, inclusion, equality and social harmony. They project the image that they are for the rights of minorities, that they are for the weak and downtrodden, that they are the most democratic of all groups.
But truly, nothing could be further from the truth. Bahunists act in favour of other Bahunists. They elevate the status of only Bahunists. They represent the very core of what is rotten in Nepal’s democracy. The “Bahun-baad” phenomenon (as propagated by the Bahunists) is the single biggest threat to social harmony, to liberal democracy, to equality, and peace in Nepal.
What do you think Dor Bahadur Bista was talking about when he wrote “Fatalism and Development in Nepal?” Who do you think the International Crisis Group is referring to when they issue statements like: “Control over the peace process has not increased confidence; that all decisions were made behind closed doors by a handful of Brahman men leaves sceptics wondering if ten years of conflict has done anything to change underlying structures.”
Here’s another (more recent) quote from ICG: “So far the (peace) process has concentrated on building elite consensus at the expense of intense political debate or extensive public consultations.”
If you guessed the Bahunists (in response to all three references above), you’re absolutely right.
Who are some of the more prominent anti-Bahunists and why is their struggle not providing results?
What makes the Bahunists particularly destructive is that they are found at the top layers of every political entity in Nepal. They are at the top of the UML, they are at the top of the the Maoists, they are entrenched in the judiciary. In fact, the very core leadership of the Nepali Congress right now, are all Bahunists.
If you ever wondered about why people like Gagan Thapa, or Rabindra Shrestha (or even the JTMM) are so very annoyed with their mother organizations, it’s because they resent being subdued by the Bahunists.
If you’re still wondering why the Madhesi community’s spontaneous uprising has been so full of passion, it’s simple. It’s because the Madhesis resent all decisions of political importance being made by a congregation of Bahunists. It’s because they are sick and tired of Bahunists playing games with the future of Madhesis.
Like the Janajatis, the Madhesis know from experience who runs the mechanics of Nepal’s feudal structure. There might be an idiot at the top of the pyramid of feudalism, but the entire base of this pyramid is full of Bahunists and their sympathizers. Thank goodness Jana Aandolan-II has clarified this beyond any credible doubt.
How do Bahunists react when they face a common threat?
When Bahunists face a threat to their powerbase, they come up with conspiracies. And not just small conspiracies, but elaborate theories that span many years and multiple dimensions. To the Bahunists, any threat to their undemocratic, exclusive, power-base is explained by a sophisticated conspiracy.
Fortunately, over the past few months, Bahunist conspiracies have gotten them into more trouble than they would care to admit.
For example, when the Bahunists came up with conspiracy theories about the Madhesi uprising being part of an elaborate Royalist design, this added anger and fuel to the Madhesi uprising.
When the Maoist Bahunists (yes, the Bahunists are at the top of the pecking order within the Maoists as well) and the Bahunists in the Nepali Congress schemed to discredit the Madhesi movement, the Madhesi movement gathered even more momentum.
When the Bahunists refused to ask one of their own to resign (in order to start negotiations with the Madhesis), naturally, the Madhesis understood exactly how much “respect” the Bahunists have for the Madhesi population.
It is hilarious when Bahunists make statement about how much they have given to the Madhesi community by “allowing” them citizenship rights. This is the Bahunists’ attempt at gaining sympathy from the Madhesi community. Even more hilarious is when the Bahunists claim stake to being members of the Madhesi community (for electoral reasons).
Everyone knows that the biggest threat to continued Bahunist domination comes from movements that demand ethnic assertion, equality and proportional representation - you know, movements like the Madhesi movement and the Janajati movement.
There are thousands of examples of Royalist conspiracies that are outlined by the Bahunists (from within the Maoists and other political groups). In fact, anything that even remotely threatens the Bahunists’ hold on power, is framed as a conspiracy against democracy.
Here are some excellent examples of Bahunists in action:
“Janajati Nepal Banda: Royalists in Charge (and Other Headlines)”
and “Surya Bahadur Thapa Interview: Hidden Messages?”
How do Bahunists react when they are under public scrutiny?
In the old days, if attacked, Bahunists would run back to their priestly duties and seek protection from Hinduism - “respect your priest, do not harm your guru, feed him well, clothe him well, bull shit, bull shit, bull shit.”
In recent times, Bahunists tend to throw money at whatever problems they are having. But when half the country’s population is rising against the Bahunists, they are finding that spending money alone, isn’t getting them relief. This is making the Bahunists extremely nervous.
Another technique Bahunists use is that they immediately mobilize their global Bahunist network, Bahunists in the media, and Bahunists across the political spectrum, to spread misinformation, to sensitize issues and to manipulate (detract) the Nepali public’s mood. As technology has grown and access to information along with it, the Bahunists have mastered the means to amplify their Bahunist cause.
What Royalists failed to understand is the distinction between love for the institution and hatred for the individual; What the Maoists understand (but intentionally ignore) is that one does not have to be a Royalist to oppose Maoist tyranny; What the Bahunists fail to understand is that whether the Maoists come to power or not, whether Nepal becomes a republic or not, the Bahunists are exposed once and for all!!
Forecasting the Future of “Bahun-baad” and the Bahunists
Of course, all “good” things come to an end. With people across Nepal awakening from the Maoist nightmare, ethnic assertion and demands for equality are at the very top of every agenda. People are demanding their rights in the most democratic way possible and such demands have caught the Bahunists off balance.
Being caught by surprise is what is bringing the Bahunists in the Nepali Congress and the Bahunists in the CPN-M together. The merger of the Bahunists from different political leanings is what is fuelling the ethnic movements across the country.
Slowly but surely, the games, the politics, the conspiracies and the machinations that underpin the “Bahun-baad” philosophy and elevate the Bahunists in Nepal, will come to an abrupt end. The days of the Bahunist democracy and Bahunist candidates representing regions that are home to other ethnic groups, are numbered. Just wait till the Constituent Assembly elections roll around.
How will the Bahunists react to this writing?
When the Bahunists read this posting (and they will most certainly read it), I am sure they will come up with one conspiracy theory after another to discredit the ideas embodied in the writing. In reading Bahunist responses, look out in particular for the following themes:
* This is a Royalist conspiracy to bring about ethnic disharmony in Nepal - Right, everything that challenges Bahunist domination is a conspiracy of some sort.
* The writing is completely flawed - it is the Chhetris, the Ranas and the Shahs who are the root of feudalism in Nepal - “238 years of the Shah dynasty, etc. Sure, that is, minus 238 years of Priests and Gurus forecasting the future of the Shah dynasty.
* The ideas captured in this article are designed specifically to derail the Constituent Assembly elections - Why in the world would we want to do that? The CA elections are guaranteed to destroy Bahunism once and for all. If anyone, it is the Bahunists who are eager to sabotage CA elections. Loss of power for the Bahunists, is a certainty.
Watch out particularly for the non-Brahmin authors who comment on the ideas articulated in the writing above. Those will be the most Bahunist responses of all.
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Good elaboration on “Bahunist”
This is By Far the Best Article I’ve Read Here (or Anywhere).
I Have No Choice But to Admire UWB for Posting such a Hard-Hitting Piece.
People dont have much choice, do they? either GP Koirala, MK Nepal or PK Dahal. jatti jogi aaye pani Kanai chireko, Be it bahunist or bahun-baadist. Gotta vote and pick the best of the Devils. Hmm… out of frying pan and into the fire. lol
Oh another propaganda on UWB. Do that really matter… bahun baad or the bahun-baadist? So the current situation of Nepal is not because of the incompetent politician but because of bahun baadist. This means all those fighting and killing done by maoist was insane. They were fighting for the wrong purpose they should have killed all the bahun….
Not all brahmins are bad. There are good ones as well. However, the writer is right on target in many aspects. The writer portrays the actions and behavior of our bahun leaders really well. Bahunists know who they are. If they were to read this article, it should hurt them.
No one has articulated the present current affairs better than this writer. From beuracracy to judiciary, congress to maoists, royalists to UML, media to police are all dominated by Bahunists. I would think that with improvment in education and communication, and democracy, other castes and ethnicity will have more access to the power. Nope! instead Bahunists consolidated the power and solidified their base and used everything in their means to keep non bahunists away. On top of that, in every field where bahunists are leading, corruption and nepotism have increased. What does this tell us?
Kudos to UWB for publishing this article.
How more progressive can you get that some of my nepali peeps?
Keep on classifying people,it will do so many wonders for Nepal.
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wow, excellent job, realy liked this article. most of all written by koirala dude. hope the people engulfed in this bahunbad shiiit realize this for wellbeing n better of whole diversely cultured people living in nepal. we all r proud nepalese.
My dear friends,
This whole world is driven by 3 ‘gunas’ - characteristics. I think you all are comparing oranges with apples. Don’t get mis-judgmental on the professions vs. our innate nature. It is not the Brahmin, Chhetriya, Baisya or Sudra is any hireachical orders. It’s the social doctrine to define labour of division.
In olden days we were what our professions were. The ’sankars’- your identiy is all the combination of - your nature. It all comes all from the food that you eat. Who you gang out with, what your education system is. Education here doen’t mean the modern or western I am defining. It could be your home-grown knowledge. Your grand-mother given stories.
Your thoughts make you what you are, words that you speak makes you what you are. Ravan was a born-Brahmin but look what he has become. Off course he was a great scientist but look what he did to Sita and her pure thoughts.
The education that provides you fearlessness, unites you with the divinity, teaches you to believe in charity, giving and distributing, compassion to all being, modesty and determination, absence of pride and ego, forgiveness, fortitude and truthfullness. These are the symptoms of a well being. Now look at your surroundings- no matter where you are and identify those beings who you can trust and rely on. Make use of your OWN knowledge and truly identfy now who the real Brahman is. The Buddha within you is what you’re looking for.
But leave all these places, politics, the country, society, family - that you’ll never find anywhere the true person in your life who can save any other human being. You have to turn towards your own innate nature. It is you who you’re looking for and can represent your inner-self. Be a leader and let this world know that you can give the world a true democracy, you are the one who can give this world a great wisdom of oneness. Rest is all BULL-SHIT.
I had already read it elsewhere. Somewhere I find it little bit subjective without academic vigor. “Bahunbad” or “Bahunism” -this terms itself is a pariah for many bahuns because they perceive that it is a lathi to hit them with. Reasons are obvious becasue Bahunbad is grossly mininterpreted. It is being touted as making Bahuns jobless. This is not true. Bahunbad is divisive, discriminatory and justifies heinous actions of powerful ones. Please give a dekko at my take on bahunbad here.
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This is wonderful article that can very much correspond to the ground reality of Nepali politics and power.
Just as puritans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritan) landed in North America from England (Anglo-saxons) to govern the terrory in the name of religion - Christian protestainism so the Bahuns from Northern India in Nepal to rule in the name of Hinduism.
Bahunsism is the way of life of Caucasian race http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race and Caucains need the power - power of politics, power of religion, power of money, power of sex. Their genes are coded with the power.
Bahunism have possessed religious and political powers not only in Nepal but in all over south Asia. The most of the religious gurus of India are advocates of Bahunism. Even in Pakistan the people in power both in politics and religions are converted Muslim Bahuns.
As a matter of fact Bahunists do not care democracy or autocracy. But what they care is the power. If the institutions of the monarchy is going to give them power then they would not mind to call the king the incarnation of the god. Devinism of the mocarchy must assure their power. So the democracy must guarantee their power share in the bodies of government - executive, legislative and judiciary. Those who do not get the power they become rebel to strike the insurgency. The Maoist People’s Revolution is one of the examples even though it has triggered so much positive and negative socio-political outcomes for change in public thinking.
Bahunism and Hindu:
Every on knows by this time (at list watching Mahabharata Movie, if not ever read the Bhagavat Geeta) that the attributions of Bahuna or Chetrya or any other family name (caste) are determined by the actions (way of life) of the individual or family or community.
In none of the Vedic literature the word ‘Hindu’ exists, scholarly evidence are all over the scripts, in the library and the web. The word ‘Hindu’ was given by the Persians to the people of ‘Sindha delta’ in the beginning of the 7th century.
Refer to Origins of the word Hindu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu
Hindu is derived from the Persian pronunciation of the Sanskrit word Sindhu (Sanskrit: ??????, the name for the Indus River), located in what is now Pakistan.[13] The Persians, using the word “Hindu” for “Sindhu”, referred to the people who lived near or across the Sindhu River as “Hindus”, and their religion later became known as “Hinduism.”
The hirarchy of Bahunism:
Upadhya = Pujari, Puraheta (who knows vedas at list karmakanda - family ritual and puja-ajas
Jaisi = those who did not are degraded as haliya (farmer) of Upadhya
Kumaiya Bahun: Pandye, Panta, Bhatta, Joshi, Upreti, Paneru, etc
Prubiaya Bahun: Bhattarai, Dhahal, Koirala, Sitaula, Dhakal, Wagle, etc
Modern terms: Sharma for all Bahunas
Since the Bahunism stands for power - any power at any cost with any consipirasy and insurgency! It will be good for all Nepali people if power hunger Bahuna elites seek power through competetive electoral democracy. This will be fair and just for all no matter how much descripancy will be there in the electoral procedures. At list people have chance to compete.
The best democratic governance system for Nepal is Federal system that will give people right in the most local level to govern thier constituency through the competative electoral procedures.
This procedures will eliminate the government employees’ appointments by the central governments to rule the constituencies of the nation - unitary or feudal oligarchic system.
The employees of the local governments in the federal system must be the local residence of the local state. This will give opportunity to all ethnic people to jobs in their own constituencies.
No individuals from Bhojpur are going to rule Jumla or Humla as state employees. This will eliminate a lot of Brahamins in executive, legislative and judiciary bodies of local government who live in Kathmandu and go to run the district administration, police office and court of Jumla or Doti or Taplejung. The majoriy employees of the current government of Nepal are Bahunasists.
So there is some hope for Nepali people to share political power with the Braminists. No Braminists will have to seek power competitatively with the list nepotism and favoritism through family lobby - oligarchic lobbism.
All Braminists democrat, royalists, Maoists, Socialists must see their power seeking genetic drives in Federal Democratic Republic. It is the ground reality that supporting monarchy or any extrime polity will not make them powerful anymore. No matter how extrimely they support monarchy they will have to step down and learn how to practice competative electoral democracy. This is the destiny of Nepal and I am sure they are smart enough to drop all the extrimist attitudes towards democracy for power in the name of the institution of monarchy and Hindu nation.
In this modern time no Braminists have Vedic wa y of life. If there are in Nepal they will be not more than ten fingures of both human hands. The religion for Bahunists are the means to get power in the society. Everybody knows this plainly.
Now the competative electoral democracy will be the best means for all Nepali people to get opportunity and for Braminsits to get power.
If Braminists will find the way to get power from competative electoral democracy Nepal will move ahead for successful accomplishment of CA elections. If not as writer has pointed out the extrist Braminists will try to obstruct.
I think CA election will be successful and Braminists in majority will support it. But when the time for the restructuring the nation under the Federal Governance Structure might bring problem.
The Interim Constitution of Nepal 2063 that I have downloaded yesterday has still some terminoligical descripancies especially Bhaga - 18 article 143 and 144 under ‘Local autonomy governance system - “Swayetta Ganatantra and Local Nikaya”.
It has mentioned that according to the New Federal Structure nation will have “Kirat Ganatantra (Repulic), Madhesi Ganatantra (Republic), Tamang Ganatantra (Republic), Newa Ganatantra (Republic), Tamuwan Ganatantra (Republic), Magar Ganatantra (Republic), Tharu Ganatantra (Republic), Veri-Karnali Ganatantra (Republic), and Seti-Mahakali Ganatantra (Republic).
I have not understood the ‘Ganatantra’ and with my best knowledge I can translated it to Repulic. In my understanding under Federal System each local state should be called in Nepali ‘Prantiya Sarkar.’
It is Nepal which will be called ‘Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal.’ Such Republic will have autonomous self-governing local state government ‘Prantiya Sarkar.’
Also, with in the state governments (Prantiya Sarakar) there will be village and city governments which will have to some extend the autonomousity and self-governance status.
How can this be clear to the Braminists elites in government and politics is challenging. If this gets messed up then Braminists will have old way to get the power. Again the marginalized people will remain behind.
I hope Mr. Wagle will be able to get authenic information on it to make the young generations aware of the fact so that the fundamental federal structure will get established from the local level of governance in Nepal.
Excelent article.
Bahunism is pretty dominant all over the government power and polity of Nepal!
The Federal government system will be fundamental to bring Braminism under fair and just democratic system. Unitary system as feudal oligarchic must be dismantled.
This will be the solution to equilize the opportunity for all.
This is really a well written and thought provoking article. I have read Dor Bahadur Bista’s book (let me remind people here, that he dissappeared soon after the book was published), but this article really puts the final nail in the coffin. If I could add that as the author has suggested that all Bahuns do not fall under this category, I would also say that there are others who are’nt “Brahmin” who do. Time for the fatalists to let go, then we will truly be a country to speak of - inclusiveness, democracy, and yes giving everybody space and meaning it.
There a lot truth in the article. Well written. Can the author or somebody suggest what to do to resolve the issue of Bahun Baad.
What do we do?? Kill all the bahuns or put in the constitution that eligibility for member of the parliament should be only non-bahuns.
The autrocity of the Chettris is non less than that of Bahuns. The bahun baad syndrome should be applied for both these groups.
Now this is wht i mean by catching the bull by its horns … this movement against bahun-baad must continue. they are the biggest obstacle to Nepal’s progress.
I am a bahun and I myself say that let this bragging about caste system dissolve once and for all.
Instead of giving a person a chance based on caste, let there be selection based on caliber.
Thats all I have to say and lets not get tangled in some caste issue. Any Nepali must be treated equally and anyone who treats others unequally must be punished whether the person be bahun or chettri or janjati or madhesi.
Only solution for this is to have the leaders address all the issues and amend the constitution that clearly states no discrimination based on caste. There also must be very strict punishment who exercises this caste system.
Let us all live in peace and harmony without accusing each other based on caste.
We are Nepali first and then janjati or madhesi or chettri or bahun.
We have other issue to resolve like building new Nepal from the root level, striping maoist of their weapons, most important of all provide freedom and basic necessity to people of Nepal
Jai Nepal and Pashupati Nath le sabai lai buddhi pradan garun.
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Hats off for the author for thinking out of the box and to UWB for publishing the article. Not all Bahuns are bad and janjatis and madeshis are guilty of many shortcomings too but what an honest attempt by the author to explain the strange conditions we find ourselves in, in this ‘modern’ day. Hats off!
It is amazing. This is the first time almost all the bloggers have a common view. Are Bahuns really the culprit of the chaos and ill effect in Nepalese society? The religious corruption practiced by the pundits to keep their no-good siblings continuity of the status is and has been the main issue. I do not think we can put restriction to Bahuns not to fight for election. The cultural side of praying and temple duties would still be needed. The answer is to bring up the educational and economic levels of those who are being oppressed and the new political environment is an opportunity. I am hopeful that some of the issues in this regard will be addressed.
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Don’t talk like you face. I don’t understand what you are trying to say there. You are trying to spit out just crap?
This is indeed the core of what is rotten in Nepal. The people have never come so close to this and we must use this opportunity to expose and crush this disease from the country once and for all. Again we know these guys will keep evolving and tomorrow will be presented in a different light. The only way to continually check them is for all citizens, across all communities to get decent education.
My two paisas worth - I have nothing to say or add! I really appreciated the article, it sounds to me like the beginning of a New Nepal indeed.
Could’nt resist - Where is Pundit, Bhudai Pundit?
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Is this article figuring only in UWB? I think this needs to be published in all newspapers FRONT PAGE in the country and let people have a national debate on it. The author has truly hit the bull’s eye and it is essential that everybody is aware of it and be a part of this debate.
On the defensive end, some Bahun baadis are now ‘preaching’ on guna ‘charecters’, as seen on the comments above. Of course, preaching is another charector of Bahun-baddis, they just don’t get it.
Is it Bahunbaad, or is it escapism? We have a tendency of lecturing all but taking none. We like to talk to talk. Dor Bahadur Bista is right in many ways, but anyone who reads his book thinks it is the gospel.
I find it laughable when people think Bahunbaad is systematic and is practiced consciously. A lot of so called Bahunbaadis are in the power because others do not fill-in. Escapism leads, inaction and thus lack of initiative.
As history is witness, every society has a dominant group at one point or other. So has the world at large. After all everyone follows the rule of evolution, the survival of the fittest. But at after some point, others left behind have to catch up.
But that’s not possible if all we do is pass the buck to so called Bahunbaddis. Anyway who are Bahunbadis? To me Bahunbaadis are those who assume that the Bahuns have an advantage and give up, or people who overly believe in conspiracy theories and think that can’t do anything.
Of course, the division of labor and exploitation in the name of religion has given the Bhramins and Chettris and edge in the past. But the access to education isn’t limited to only these group now. Moreover, if you do a demographic study of these group, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that there are almost equal numbers of poor and marginalized in these so called elite group.
I am not trying to refute the author’s assertion, but arbitrary labeling and lumping does no good to anyone.
If anything is wrong with our Nepal, it’s the too much talk and too few people to work; It’s the hypocrisy we so willing engage in.
Anyone with the right state of mental equilibrium would apploud the writer of this post. It is in essence is filled with bigotry and hatred towards a particular group of people.Racially motivated articles like this are getting applause here in UWB,irrational logic rules here.Give me a scientific reason to establish your theory of Bahunism and it’s corelation with the present deteriorating situation in Nepal.
And to the people who praise this article: your mind needs a little bit of tuning and tweaking.
Mr. Shrama,
Scientific reason? First let me give you common sense and a practical reason - Get out of your caccon and have a good look around you. What do you see? Reason enough?
Well why do we generalize. Yes no one should be averse to the fact that traditional bahuns still exist who still term themselves high on earth but it is not just the mere reason for telling the root cause for everything happening in Nepal is just due to bahuns. I am a bahun but am not advocating the so-called bahunism. We should not forget that we can’t keep all eggs in a basket. The explanation elaborated is no more redundant than the Kiratis and Newars calling them Janjati despite the historical evidence that both Kiratis and Newars have ruled in Nepal as Kings. So let us not particularly point a particular ethnic group as the root of all evils. We should have a common consensus among all of us where we treat everyone equally for good deeds and bad deeds without the repercussions being discriminated on any racial ground no matter a brahmin or the so-called lowest caste. If someone from ethnic minority does something remarkable for the nation or society it should be recognized no less than when it is for someone who is of so-called upper caste not necessarily bahun all the time and if a bahun does a crime then he should be punished equally as others get punished regardless of the degree of discrimination if defined to lower it just for being of a higher caste. But the real problem in us lies between us because we speculate too much and we should not forget one thing that when we favor a particular group or community it automatically means unfavoring others. So other than pointing an individual ethnic circle we should try to maintain an equilibrium within all communities. Some odd trends and traditions will wipe off in due course of time. So a sense of unity should be instilled and yeah with due respect to the author’s write-up who even knows how to analyze the reactions even before people got to read it, if he believes that he is so much of a social reformer this trend of instilling communal feeling should come to an end.
I just wish all the people so much active in writing all these comments be active in their actions.
I don`t believe in cast system, neither do i believe in RACE.
Very happy to know that there is so much concern about NEPAL among citizens at leas in a blog.
Dear Ananata,
Caste to be a division of labour is one big bullshit,it is a known fact that the origin of the castes its four hierarchy and the last the outcastes is the system devised and used by the Aryans to keep the race pure,which later on also became the magical talisman, a magic wand for the Brahmins to derive and appropriate undeserved power and arrogate for themselves all diabolical rights. The racial origin theory of caste is true, the gene tests have proved that, the Aryan invasion is true. The report of the CCMB Hyderabad, India has found that the genes of the so called low castes are more similar to the local tribals of the South India and differs from that of the Brahmins. The writings of the Vedic Scholars too state clearly that the lower castes are the indigenous people of the sub-continent. R.C Majumdar and others too accept that period of struggle between the Aryans and the indigenous people of the continent especially Dravidans, Austrics, Negroids and others. So the damn caste thing is related to race, and in the later periods starting from the later Vedic period it became the means for the brahmins to enslave others and to earn to feed their kids. These things even the revisionists, the hindutvadis accept, that is, the racial differences in caste, tell a Brahmin that his gene is same to that of a Chhamber, would he accept it?, so stop the nonsense of division of labour.
Gunas- ‘thamas’ and so on, good philosophy but propounded and applied by scoundrels.
Jai Babasaheb Bhim Rao Ambedkar. Jai Bhim!.
Ok i am a bahun too. Like many other bahuns i am not proud of my cast. I went in the aandolan together with newars, madhesis, janajaatis. I know, particularly in the villages of our country, there is religious and cultural demarcation - bahuns are regarded as the highest cast. But is it their fault? Do the supporters of this article know that there are millions of bahuns in this country who live under the poverty line? Arent there so many people of other cast who are the richest businessmen or industrialists?
I never heard from my parents, my bahun collegues or any other bahun for that matter that we must protect our bahunism. Bahunbaad does not exist. Many must have experienced that a madhesi or newar always give preference to person of their ethnicity and help each other. But bahuns are infamous for “ek arka ko khutta tanne”.
So where is bahubaad? In fact we have Pariwarbaad, Natabaad, Kripabaad which are crippling our society.
Rejoice Bahuns. Your Time to Eat is Here. Make the Most of it.
I think we all agree that janjatis and madeshis need to be integrated into the mainstream and the playing field leveled for all. That’s all. So let’s put an end to this name calling crap. It doesn’t help.
Nobody will Give Anyone Anything here. You Have to TAKE IT.
By calling names?
The bottom line is, we are all created equal, and we should all treat each other with respect. There is no high-caste or low-caste. In fact, there isn’t any caste. Caste is a man-made concept which should never have seen the light of day. We are all Nepalis. Nothing more, nothing less. Anybody who wants to promote the creation of, or the continuation of, a caste-based society in Nepal is guilty of wishing ill upon Nepal. Anybody who creates a system of social hierarchy in Nepal is guilty of crimes against humanity in general. Anyone who works to remove the vestiges of this ill-conceived system from the depths of our psyche is the true son/daughter of Nepal.
the most progressive n productive will be accepting dalits, bahuns n chettris as equal n not only allowing dalits to access to any religious or social places that was out of bound for them but letting them participate directly in it as well, maybe a priest of a temple. thats the real caste hierarchy problem to b solved but not that janjatis asking for thier demands r racist, dividing nations its thier rights. some make mistaked by including them in caste system as well cause janjatis r never a caste but a nationalitites with distinct culture, lang, religion n traditions n other stuffs. sure there r caste heirarchy probs among newars that they hav to solve….we sure r nepali collectively. think… why still we r so intact n agressive about this stuff even after 300 years of unification, even after implementing one lang, one costum one country policy, even after some forceful hinduism pressure, n other craaaps.
well what do you think? it all goes back to the sankaracharya of south india. nepali kings needed them to rewrite their origin myths - as incarnations of gods so they could rule the diverse lot with iron fists. so ever since the rulers and brahmins have been cahoots - the most enduring partnership. but certainly in recent times this partnership is coming undone. various mythologies - the Mahabharata, Ramayan - are basically the tales of conquests and propaganda by the invading Aryan race. All the asuras - evil - are basically indigenous peoples of Dravidian or Australoid races. All the good guys - good - are the Aryan folks. Next time you celebrate Dashain as ‘victory of good over evil’, you know you are merely celebrating the subjugation of indigenous/tribal/aboriginal peoples by the invading Aryan race. Kiranteshwor - or Kailash or Shiva - is an indigenous icon, probably the only best symbol of Indigenous resistance to the Aryan invasion . After he married a Brahmin girl Goma / Sati, he’s been co-opted as a Hindu God. Well Bahuns they have even co-opted Lord Buddha as one of their own. They have called him an incarnation of Bishnu, just like they said the Shah king of Nepal is an incarnation of Bishnu. The Aryans are wiliest, craftiest, & foxiest race. You can see this in the leadership of the Maoists as well as that of the seven political parties. You can see this in India - Brahmins comprise may be 5-10% of India’s population but they are the ruling elites. Largest democracy - but what a sham! The only way for the marginalised to counter this is to smarten up and to chip away at the foundation of Brahminism, feudalism, caste-ism, Patriarchy, Sanskrit education, and most importantly through fighting for a right to self determination in the emerging Nepali federal republic set up.
we nepelese always want to blame someone and now its bahuns huh???
well im a proud bahun…and im proud my bahun clan has ruled over ..as a nature everyone would be….but look at other bahuns like Bhanu bhakta ,moti ram ,Laxmi prasad devkota ,all the major doctors,engineers, lawers etc of nepal.
Im soo proud to be a bahun…
I have not read such a jealous article ever…just because some people did some shrudeness doesnt give u the right to a tag everyone bad ..
And the writer seem to have a no knowledge in history i think…was unification of nepal done by bahuns ? was rana kalin a bahuns plan ? the answer is NO!!!
just because bahuns are educated dont be so jealous…
Why are there so many tribes and clans ..???…the answer is simple everyone has some kind of “groupism”which is very natural …so why blame only bahuns???
Please contemplate on it coz u will hurt the sentiments of innocent bahuns and could destroy the harmony of the society too…and please from next time think before u write and do mud slinging on others…
Bhutia makes a lot of sense with his comments. It’s time we marginalized people fought back against Bahun hegemony with our brains rather than our brawn. We got to admit that we don’t use our brains that much…but if we do, I know this from personal experience, we are as smart as anyone. All we need right now is a level playing field. Once this is established it’s each man/woman for himself/herself. Wouldn’t it be so nice to be rid of discrimination in one’s own homeland?
Ha ha ha. Stupid bhotia and kirat trying to out smart bahuns. Do you know what they say “maoists, matawali and mandale are axis of evil?”
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mp sharma…look at the condition of Nepal and most of your fellow bahuns…after so many years in power…look at what has happened in Sikkhim…it will now happen in Nepal…I think you bahunists have really outsmarted yourselves this time around! good riddance of utter rubbish like yourself.
in 2007 BS under bahuns and some newars leaders established democracy in Nepal. In 2046 its again bahuns and some newars brought back democracy to the country. In 2063 under all bahun leadership nepal saw loktantra not just for bahuns but for every nepali including you bhotias and kirats. Now what are you complaining about huh? Isn’t that enough for you guys? utter rubbish huh?
it wasn’t the leaders who ushered in democracy. it was the people. the leaders just took the credit for the movement and promptly proceeded to run the country to the ground. these leaders have done nothing for nepal. don’t give them credit where no credit is due. and please refrain from aligning newari leaders with the power-hogs who’ve destroyed nepal.
This SPAM people have divided all Nepalis. For 238 years we were together with one identity! And now we have 28 million identities. This was the Master Game Plan of SPAM..after all they follow Indian National Congress!!!!!
From being the most peaceful nation in the world to being the worst place on Earth. I wonder if Sudan, Somialia, etc. have so many problems.
Shame on you all. Shoot yourself after shooting every member of SPAM!!!!! No terrorist is required in Nepal! This is my request and warning!
Bahuns have controlled the politics of this country since it began. So who are we to blame for the condition of our country. The jana jatis have had no say.
All top political n military positions are held by bahuns. These Bahuns are the same ppl who started the civil war. They talk n talk send ppl to their deaths. I think we janajatis are the ones who have died the most in this war. The bahuns they are the smart ones with all the brain they just give orders. we are the ppl who have paid with our blood to bring change.
but hey THE CHANGE IS COMING
u know it, i know it
how long are to gonna stop us huh
I’m not sure who wrote this piece. But whoever did, needs to get a life. Instead of sending out mass emails and performing bahun bashing online, the author of the quoted text below should say what he feels out in public, in the media, in public places and straight to the faces of those who he claims are bahunists. I’d like to see that happen.
While creating a socially just society is the duty of every Nepali, doing so by hiding behind the firewall of your computer is not the way to do it. I don’t believe in any of the material below so I’m not gonna take any actions against it. But since the author has issues, he/she should “ACT” on it and not go around preaching like another of our ministers.
Besides, if bahuns were really that evil like the klu klux klan, the author wouldn’t be alive today. Bahuns would have killed him eons ago. And if this is any consolation, if a lot of the ministers are bahuns who are killing rhe nation, a lot of the doctors are also bahuns, saving lives. They are engineers and respectable people of society. B.P Koirala fought for democracy- a bahun, Upendra Devkota- internationally known surgeon- also a bahun, oh and the evil bahun- his friend Mr. Baburam Bhattarai, well he’s married Hisila Yami- a non bahun.
Power and money are driving forces and will exist in any society. Yes, the Brahmins were the priestly class and they did rule over society but what’s the use of crying out loud about that now? If bahuns are priests, so are gurungs and magars. I have personally met several magar and gurung priests (YES WITH THE TITLE PUNDIT!) in kathmandu. So the argument that only bahuns have access to education is flawed.
As far as money is concerned, Nepal’s business sector is controlled by newars and the shahs and the maarwadis. Where do bahuns come into play here?
“What is the “Bahun-baad” tradition and who precisely are the Bahunists? Ask any Janajati, Dalit, Newar, Madhesi (or non-Brahmin individual) - he or she will provide you a dissertation on what “Bahun-baad” is and exactly how much damage the Bahunists have done to the idea of liberal democracy in Nepal.”
I’d like to see YOUR ANSWER. What is bahunbaad? I guess there’s newar or chettri or another caste-baad- that engages in the act of bahun bashing only?
“If you’re still wondering why the Madhesi community’s spontaneous uprising has been so full of passion, it’s simple. It’s because the Madhesis resent all decisions of political importance being made by a congregation of Bahunists. It’s because they are sick and tired of Bahunists playing games with the future of Madhesis.”
Well, Mr. , hate to break this to you, but there are madhesi “Brahmins” too. So if theyre rising against anything it’s against perhaps the newars calling them “madsya” or other castes, including bahuns, calling them a variety of other names? I don’t hear the madhesis saying we’re against the bahuns! They’re against everyone of us!! YOU included.
“Another technique Bahunists use is that they immediately mobilize their global Bahunist network, Bahunists in the media, and Bahunists across the political spectrum, to spread misinformation, to sensitize issues and to manipulate (detract) the Nepali public’s mood. As technology has grown and access to information along with it, the Bahunists have mastered the means to amplify their Bahunist cause.”
Is that all you do? Count how many bahuns are there and what they are doing? Do you even get a good night’s sleep?
“In reading Bahunist responses, look out in particular for the following themes:
* This is a Royalist conspiracy to bring about ethnic disharmony in Nepal - Right, everything that challenges Bahunist domination is a conspiracy of some sort.
* The writing is completely flawed - it is the Chhetris, the Ranas and the Shahs who are the root of feudalism in Nepal - “238 years of the Shah dynasty, etc. Sure, that is, minus 238 years of Priests and Gurus forecasting the future of the Shah dynasty.
* The ideas captured in this article are designed specifically to derail the Constituent Assembly elections - Why in the world would we want to do that? The CA elections are guaranteed to destroy Bahunism once and for all. If anyone, it is the Bahunists who are eager to sabotage CA elections. Loss of power for the Bahunists, is a certainty.
Watch out particularly for the non-Brahmin authors who comment on the ideas articulated in the writing above. Those will be the most Bahunist responses of all.
Well, you and your predictions can go down dhobikohla. Whoever you are, you:”
1. Yield no influence over people about social change n Nepal because your approach is pathetic.
2. Have little or no education (and by education I don’t necessarily mean a university degree/ degrees.) because your rationale and arguments cannot be backed up.
3. Have ZERO courage. WHO ARE YOU? Can you stand up and say what you believe out loud in a room full of NEPALI people?
4. Have no vision for HOW to make social changes (assuming for a second bahunbaad did exist and bahuns were evil, if you were a real nepali concerned about social and political change, you wouldn’t go around bashing bahuns and others. You’d make an effort to perhaps make the “evil bahuns” understand that they’re wrong.
5. Must be very sad.
Yes, some bahuns are evil. But a lot of them are good natured people like the majority of other nepalis.
The same can be said of other castes. Just because you’re a “janajati” doesn’t mean that you are a good person by heart by birth!!! Just because you’re a newar doesnt mean you’re nice and wholesome by birth. There are evil newars and chettris and members of other castes like there are bahuns. So why target bahuns? Bahuns arent stopping you frlom getting a good education. If bahuns can be ministers, so can you. If bahuns can have a voice, you have a mouth too, use it dammit. forget the past. Just because some of bahun;s forefathers were eviil doesnt mean u turn HITLER on bahuns of today. That will just show how uneducated you are.
Thanks
just_me, i would like to correct one thing…. all the top military/police positions are being held by thakuris. But that’s not the problem.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/imbild1.htm —-> this is a link to the mandate passed by hitler… “the jewish question”. If I look for it, i could probably find a similar “tutsi question” in the rwandan archives. Those two were some of the greatest mistakes humans have ever made. This article addresses the “bahunist question”. I would ask the author to find the difference.
blaming a country’s problem on a single group is wrong. Although, you know… its not that bad. The most these types of articles will do is create bad-will among people. So what if it does that. The worst thing that could happen is anarchism….which is sooooo much better than being under a king. So what if our sisters, mother, wives are getting raped everywhere? our neighbours getting looted, our friends getting killed. Anything’s better than being under a “bahunist” right? I guess I agree with you then…. i guess i love your philosophy…. come on brother…we’ll start a revolution, you and me. And we can also have a little game, you know… the one who kills the most bahuns (or rapes the most bahun women, or loots the most bahun properties) gets to be the leader….. Yea I’m up for it… anybody else wanna join?
“Why Blame Bahuns?”
Look at this equation:
Politicians = Corrupt and Devious
Politicians = Mostly Bahuns.
Here, a = b and a = c. Therefore b = c.
Bobby,
Interesting that you bring up the KKK, but let me remind you that through all sorts of bahunust tactics,politics, dominance and exclusion, far far many more people have died then the KKK have killed (the latest being Prachandapath). Far Far many more. According to your theory there should be no more African Americans around in the U.S. - as you said if the bahuns were like KKK then the author should be dead. Besides maybe the author is a Bahun too. In the same light there should be no more European jews as well. I am sure you can now see the flaw in your line of argument.
Another baseless article. What is wrong with these people, whoever wrote this article and those who support it. We dont need another classification in nepal. We need every body to be united not divided and discriminated. First royalist nd non royalist, maoist and non maoist, madhises and non madhises, bahuns and non bahuns, what else??? men and women??? people and animal??? this is totally BS.
I’ve never been so proud to be Bahun. Thanks author for making me feel that being bahun is identifying with the brain behind ruling class. Hierarchy is a common phenomenon, tiger rules the jungle, we rule Nepal. Is there any worthy opponent? Come out of ur shell, don’t hide, we respect competition. Remember rules of jungle do not apply in modern society, we respect education and application of imagination and knowledge. Muscle has long been obsolete, especially after the widespread improvement in technology. So don’t be as animal as madhesis ( Gaur hatyakanda) but use your brain in ousting Bahuns.
Jaya Nepal
I am not here to make a comment on the authors views but being a medico, I find this style of writing pretty interesting. S/He sounds like a very angry person trying to express her/his feelings through this writing.
This is one of the immature types of defense mechanisms that phychiatrists and psycoloanalysts describe as projection. The behaviour is not as uncommon as one might think.
[Projection is the attribution of one's undesired impulses onto another. Here the author is projecting her/his anger to an entire community. S/he could have been angry from any cause; eg. failure in life].
I on the other hand feel it is a very well written objective article without all the emotions as described by the MD above. If anything the responses against the article is loaded with emotion and personal torture and denial. But then I am not claiming to be an expert.
I would like just one answer from MD since we are analysing the psyche here - Are you a Brahmin? Your answer will clarify the issue instantly.
For your reference before people assume the obvious I belong to the so called Brahmin community, although I have chosen not to practice my “birth right”, and would even categorise myself as non-religious as I don’t practice any religion.
we appreciate the hard woks done by bahuns to get educated. we r not fking jelous of u peoples educational achievments. there r so many reasons to name few if u would like to listen to. first of all being political, we didn’t hav problem when u controlled almost whole of gov positions, but our frustration is in how u people messed it up. second one is cultura, linguistic and religous reasons, admit it, directly or indirectly the state constituion backed up by ur policy has discriminated indegenous people. hindunisation was funded massively by the state all backed up by ur policy. we hav our own distinct identity, respect it to get respect for urself. i can see how hard feeling u poeple had when nepal was declared secular n when all this shiit r happening, so don;t get surprised in our aggresiveness. other reason is historical, where ur ancestors were given all lands cultivated by indegenous people as ‘birta’ , ‘jagir’ or some shiiits i can’t remember. above all we never fall in ur caste heirarchy but were put under forcefully.
we beleive in brotherhood, unity but try to accept the differences as well, as u all say urself nepal is multi ethnic, multi cultured, multi linguistic country. long live janjatis revolution…..
‘It’s not my fault I was born a Brahmin’
Reportage: Archana Masih
April 17, 2007
Aman Jagannathan, 18, had never been arrested before. Neither had he ever publicly protested against the government.
Last year, the police picked him up twice — while protesting at India Gate and outside the Supreme Court — in New Delhi. He and his friends were in custody for 6 to 7 hours.
A friendly and eloquent medical student at India’s best medical college, Aman is unsure if he wants his identity revealed as he looks back at the past year.
“I know I am not saying anything illegal but I just want to be careful,” says the second year MBBS student at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, sitting on the steps of the Institute’s playground. “I don’t want to be known on campus as being against OBCs because I am not. I am just against the idea of reservation. I don’t want to be misunderstood.”
Last year, the government decided to increase the number of reserved seats in central government-run elite educational institutes like the Indian Institutes of Technology, Indian Institutes of Management and AIIMS by 27 per cent for the Other Backward Classes, taking reservations up to 50 per cent. Students on the campus were upset and agitated.
Aman knew he could not just sit back. He wanted to do something. He wanted to be heard.
“I am not against social justice but I feel merit should be appreciated. Reserve seats for those who don’t have the economic means. Reserve seats for the children of those in the armed forces. Nobody will protest if you reserve seats for those who earn less than a lakh every year. Why should caste be the overarching factor? It’s not my fault I was born a Brahmin.”
In December, the Central Educational Institutions (Reservation in Admission) Bill, 2006 was passed in Parliament. But for the students, their fight was far from over.
Are Brahmins the Dalits of today?
May 23, 2006
At a time when the Congress government wants to raise the quota for Other Backward Classes to 49.5 per cent in private and public sectors, nobody talks about the plight of the upper castes. The public image of the Brahmins, for instance, is that of an affluent, pampered class. But is it so today?
There are 50 Sulabh Shauchalayas (public toilets) in Delhi; all of them are cleaned and looked after by Brahmins (this very welcome public institution was started by a Brahmin). A far cry from the elitist image that Brahmins have!
There are five to six Brahmins manning each Shauchalaya. They came to Delhi eight to ten years back looking for a source of income, as they were a minority in most of their villages, where Dalits are in majority (60 per cent to 65 per cent). In most villages in UP and Bihar, Dalits have a union which helps them secure jobs in villages.
Did you know that you also stumble upon a number of Brahmins working as coolies at Delhi’s railway stations? One of them, Kripa Shankar Sharma, says while his daughter is doing her Bachelors in Science he is not sure if she will secure a job.
“Dalits often have five to six kids, but they are confident of placing them easily and well,” he says. As a result, the Dalit population is increasing in villages. He adds: “Dalits are provided with housing, even their pigs have spaces; whereas there is no provision for gaushalas (cowsheds) for the cows of the Brahmins.”
You also find Brahmin rickshaw pullers in Delhi. 50 per cent of Patel Nagar’s rickshaw pullers are Brahmins who like their brethren have moved to the city looking for jobs for lack of employment opportunities and poor education in their villages.
Even after toiling the whole day, Vijay Pratap and Sidharth Tiwari, two Brahmin rickshaw pullers, say they are hardly able to make ends meet. These men make about Rs 100 to Rs 150 on an average every day from which they pay a daily rent of Rs 25 for their rickshaws and Rs 500 to Rs 600 towards the rent of their rooms which is shared by 3 to 4 people or their families.
This reverse discrimination is also found in bureaucracy and politics. Most of the intellectual Brahmin Tamil class has emigrated outside Tamil Nadu. Only 5 seats out of 600 in the combined UP and Bihar assembly are held by Brahmins — the rest are in the hands of the Yadavs.
400,000 Brahmins of the Kashmir valley, the once respected Kashmiri Pandits, now live as refugees in their own country, sometimes in refugee camps in Jammu and Delhi in appalling conditions. But who gives a damn about them? Their vote bank is negligible.
And this is not limited to the North alone. 75 per cent of domestic help and cooks in Andhra Pradesh are Brahmins. A study of the Brahmin community in a district in Andhra Pradesh (Brahmins of India by J Radhakrishna, published by Chugh Publications) reveals that today all purohits live below the poverty line.
Eighty per cent of those surveyed stated that their poverty and traditional style of dress and hair (tuft) had made them the butt of ridicule. Financial constraints coupled with the existing system of reservations for the ‘backward classes’ prevented them from providing secular education to their children.
In fact, according to this study there has been an overall decline in the number of Brahmin students. With the average income of Brahmins being less than that of non-Brahmins, a high percentage of Brahmin students drop out at the intermediate level. In the 5 to 18 year age group, 44 per cent Brahmin students stopped education at the primary level and 36 per cent at the pre-matriculation level.
The study also found that 55 per cent of all Brahmins lived below the poverty line — below a per capita income of Rs 650 a month. Since 45 per cent of the total population of India is officially stated to be below the poverty line it follows that the percentage of destitute Brahmins is 10 per cent higher than the all-India figure.
There is no reason to believe that the condition of Brahmins in other parts of the country is different. In this connection it would be revealing to quote the per capita income of various communities as stated by the Karnataka finance minister in the state assembly: Christians Rs 1,562, Vokkaligas Rs 914, Muslims Rs 794, Scheduled castes Rs 680, Scheduled Tribes Rs 577 and Brahmins Rs 537.
Appalling poverty compels many Brahmins to migrate to towns leading to spatial dispersal and consequent decline in their local influence and institutions. Brahmins initially turned to government jobs and modern occupations such as law and medicine. But preferential policies for the non-Brahmins have forced Brahmins to retreat in these spheres as well.
According to the Andhra Pradesh study, the largest percentage of Brahmins today are employed as domestic servants. The unemployment rate among them is as high as 75 per cent. Seventy percent of Brahmins are still relying on their hereditary vocation. There are hundreds of families that are surviving on just Rs 500 per month as priests in various temples (Department of Endowments statistics).
Priests are under tremendous difficulty today, sometimes even forced to beg for alms for survival. There are innumerable instances in which Brahmin priests who spent a lifetime studying Vedas are being ridiculed and disrespected.
At Tamil Nadu’s Ranganathaswamy Temple, a priest’s monthly salary is Rs 300 (Census Department studies) and a daily allowance of one measure of rice. The government staff at the same temple receive Rs 2,500 plus per month. But these facts have not modified the priests’ reputation as ‘haves’ and as ‘exploiters.’ The destitution of Hindu priests has moved none, not even the parties known for Hindu sympathy.
The tragedy of modern India is that the combined votes of Dalits/OBC and Muslims are enough for any government to be elected. The Congress quickly cashed in on it after Independence, but probably no other government than Sonia Gandhi’s has gone so far in shamelessly dividing Indian society for garnering votes.
The Indian government gives Rs 1,000 crores (Rs 10 billion) for salaries of imams in mosques and Rs 200 crores (Rs 2 billion) as Haj subsidies. But no such help is available to Brahmins and upper castes. As a result, not only the Brahmins, but also some of the other upper castes in the lower middle class are suffering in silence today, seeing the minorities slowly taking control of their majority.
Anti-Brahminism originated in, and still prospers in anti-Hindu circles. It is particularly welcome among Marxists, missionaries, Muslims, separatists and Christian-backed Dalit movements of different hues. When they attack Brahmins, their target is unmistakably Hinduism.
So the question has to be asked: are the Brahmins (and other upper castes) of yesterday becoming the Dalits of today?
Scoop wrote:
but let me remind you that through all sorts of bahunust tactics,politics, dominance and exclusion, far far many more people have died then the KKK have killed.
So because a bahun started prachandapath, that’s a part of bahunism? and that any bahin would have done what prachanda did? I can’t understand why people associate one’s actions with their caste or religious belief. If prachanda’s actions reflect what bahuns do, well then a few weeks ago I tuned into Nepal 1’s show on crimes and there was a report on how some criminals who threatened people for money and had even killed some, had been arrested. Guess what, none of them were bahuns. Most were magars, rais, newars, even chettris and the leader was a lama.
DOES IT MEAN THAT JUST BECAUSE A FEW OF THOSE COMMUNITIES COMMITTED THOSE HEINOUS CRIMES, all rais, magars, lamas, newars are evil? NO DAMMIT!!!
And just because a few bahuns like prachanda have done great harm to this country, doesnt mean bauns in general are evil.
Straighten your act people! And develop some good sense in yourselves and stop generalizing.
oh and you also said scoop that more people have died through “bahunist tactics, politics, etc”
where do you get your data from? from your imagination or some cited source?
i’ll tell you where i got my inforation- it was from TV that I watched live online on my computer.
there ya go!
NepalBlood on (22:23:10) wrote:
“Why Blame Bahuns?”
Look at this equation:
Politicians = Corrupt and Devious
Politicians = Mostly Bahuns.
Here, a = b and a = c. Therefore b = c.
Well here’s another proof for you.
New politicians=old politicians (in terms of their jobs requirements) - a
Old Politicians (which are bahuns)=Corrupt and Devious #fine, i agree - b
New politicians=NON bahuns (your kind, whichever that is) - c
Since c=a and
a=b
we can say,
You’d be equally corrupt. So ssshhhhh buddy. You’d be no good running the country either. Understand it or print this page and eat it- either way, GET IT IN YOUR HEAD!
Bobby,
To end your silly out of your back BS just answer this one question - How many African Americans did the KKK kill? This is in response to your - “oh and you also said scoop that more people have died through “bahunist tactics, politics, etc”. Before you scrummage through the internet, let me just tell you that it ain’t sweet to churn out lines like the KKK when you don’t know what you’re getting into?
Interesting that you bring up magars, lamas, newars figuring in the crimes (and yes even chettris), and it’s probably true as well. But answer this - Prachanda basically ordered the murder of thousands and now he has been caught red handed stealing someone’s car, but no body books him as a criminal for (leave alone for the murders) the theft of a car??? Why? While the magars, newars, etc. will get booked even for crossing the road on a red light? If you can understand this statistic, then you get back to me. Ofcourse needless to mention the state robbery by people like GPK.
Bobby:
What new politicians? It’s a Different Time, Different Government but it’s the Same People.
Brahim: I’m sorry to hear about the plight of Hindu priests. In India, musalmans are allowed to follow their own law when it comes to matters like divorce. That’s what secularism means. Appeasement. Minorities are allowed to do just about anything they want while the meek Hindu majority has to respect the law.
I think i should start a tutorial on “posting appropriate responses”. Would you like it in 3-D fellers?
To Scoop first:
First of all, either you were too lazy to read that article originally posted, or you simple misread it if you did and just read bahunism … bahunist … bahunism … bahunist … all the way.
I did NOT mention Klu Klux Klan (KKK) just out of the blue. I mentioned it in response to what the author of that article wrote about them. HERE IT IS-
“What do Bahunists, Illiberal Democrats and the Ku Klux Klan, have in common?”
The above quoted text is a title in the article. THAT’S HOW I “churned” out the KKK line. And as far as the number of African Amercans the KKK killed, I do not know. That is why, unlike your :
“but let me remind you that through all sorts of bahunust tactics,politics, dominance and exclusion, far far many more people have died then the KKK have killed (the latest being Prachandapath). ” totally baseless remark,
I did not even bother to mention any unquoted, uncited and unerified statistic/fact in my response alltogether.
And as far as Prchanda ordering the killings of thousands, yes, ALL along I have held Prachanda to be nothing short of an evil murderer who sees nothing but his own glorified days as a cold-blooded communist dictator. And I don’t hold that stance because he’s a bahun but because, well…simply put…just evil like that. Not because he’s a bahun. And, LOL, if he indeed stole a car, yeah, he should be bashed.
And how much money has GPK stolen? Were you behind his wicked abutt counting his black cheques or did you come up with a magic numbr while watching the “PRICE IS RIGHT”?? I’m neither a fan of Girija nor a a follower but i will say this, any person who fights for a country’s democracy even to his last breath, can’t possibly be immoral. Put yourself in his place and think. “Eklo birhaspati jhuto huncha”. That’s the case with Girija- one mad standing, the rest eating the clountry’s resources. AND DON’T EVEN JUMP ON THAT LINE WITH AN ARGUMENT SAYING, “Oh, but Bobby, the people under him are all Bahuns”. Well, if all your eyes can see is bahuns, all you feel and hear is bahuns, all you think about is bahun, then maybe you should become a bahun for a day and feel like how hard it is to become the neo-jews of Nepal- under the hatred eyes of neo-fascists of Nepal.
I hope you know what happened in Germany. Jews were prosecuted for being in control of everything from the capital markets to the knowledge base. Yet, the fact remians that the top scientists and thinks and philosophers of the 19th to the 20th century have been Jews- I’ll name a few:-
Science-einstein, Pauli (Pauli exclusion principle), Feynman (quantum physics).
Economics- Milton Friedman, Harry Markowitz (Modern Portfolio theory) and who can forget- Myron Scholes (One of the brains behind the Black Scholes formula for calculating option prices- something yours truly is also studying)
AND LOTS MORE….
I mentioned all this jewish stuff here because that’s exactly what the bahuns in Nepal are facing right now as Sumeru noted above. I don’t think I need to elaborate further.
So get YOUR statistics and reading skills right before trying to rubutt any article.
This one is for Nepalblood.
I was referencing to the future when a new generation of politicians and leaders will emerge. Even then, the job requirements will be the same but the corruption will simply be handed down, regardless of whether the parliament and decision making bodies are completely devoid of bahuns, are partially filled with bahuns or are swarming with bahuns.
Evil and attributes like jaat and religion are mutually exclusive. The common denominator is human desires.
Bobby,
I have’nt understood a word you have said. It is sooooo confused. Cheerio.
Just one thing I picked up from your mess - the bahuns referred to as the Nepali neo jews???? HA HA HA! Nice try. That right there is what is called bahunist. Jews for your kind information have worked for their living, as opposed to exploited others for their living.
If you are going to compare, then it should be more like for the past many many centuries
Bahuns - nazis
the rest- jews, gypsies, non-christians etc.
Today
Bahuns - nazis under fire
the rest - neo-jews, etc.
Bobby,
With regards the KKK, I am not referring to what the author said, but your claim that the author would be dead if the bahuns were like KKK. Therefore my question - trying to understand why you claim this? It sounds like that there should be no African Americans alive according to you. So my question to you is have you understood the author yourself ? The KKK as I understood from the authors point of view was mentioned with regard to their attitude, exclusion, and supression towards the “others”. The KKK in your point of view refers to physical damage, infact deadly damage. So, again if as you have written - “Besides, if bahuns were really that evil like the klu klux klan, the author wouldn’t be alive today. Bahuns would have killed him eons ago”, then my understanding is that you feel the KKK killed every African American they could. Hence my question - how many african americans do you think the kkk killed? Since you don’t know the answer how can you compare the bahuns with the kkk in your terms? I think buddy you missed the point! And again, I will let you figure it out yourself when I say the bahuns are responsible for far more deaths then the kkk.
Bahunism, WASP(white anglo saxon protestant, the elite of the USA), aryans of India, and other dominant groups in other countries of the world are able to rule over others only as a result of decades or even centuries of better access to the education system.
What a good “education” does to a person is enlightens the brain to a greater level of intellectual being. Now how that person uses the newfound enlightened is up to the individual, but as a group, these groups of individuals generally go straight for the power chair, and try their best how to marginalize others since THEY very well know that if other groups get educated, their chairs or their power circle will be certainly threatened.
Who is this kid trying to teach us philosophy 101?
This did not get past moderation before, here goes.
This is more like it if we are to compare bahuns to the rest of the world:
In the past centuries:
bahun=nazis
the rest of us= jews, gypsies, non-christians etc.
today
bahun=nazi under fire
the rest=neo-jews etc.
Being completely new to this subject of ‘Baahunism’, I must say I’m intrigued by this article, more so by the responses it is getting.
Being a so-called ‘baahun’ myself but being brought up in a society where a surname is nothing more than a what my father’s surname was, I was shocked to hear that someone had suggested that we should get rid of all the baahuns. Surely, who thinks like that may someday (ones all the bahuns are gone) are going to blame a problem on some other ethnic group and want to get rid of them.
However, here are some thoughts that came to my mind while reading the article. First, I do think I need to read a dissertation on ‘baahunbaad’.. so if anyone has time to write up one and is willing to post it, I’ll take out my time to make sure I read it.
One more thing I would like to add is that I’m not at all trying to defend my ‘baahunism’ here (apparently I have that cause I was born in ‘baahun’ family and I don’t agree with the article). I’m merely going by what the article says..
Right, first it tells me to ask any newars and then goes on to say that ‘the shrestha’s’ would answer it slightly differently. Correct me if I’m wrong, but surely shrestha’s a newar surname..
Then it goes on to talk about Madhesi are repressed by bahunists.. ?!
Again, correct me if I’m wrong, but Madhesi’s are repressed by the Nepali community who like to think that Madhesis are not Nepali. By the sound of the article, baahunists are basically political leaders who have powers and they happened to be baahun. And again, by the sound of the article, they aren’t that many cause you can be a ‘baahun’ and not be ‘baahunist’. Surely, that number is pretty low, compared to our population of the country and surely, that can’t have been the only people repressing ‘madhesis’. And if that was the case, not all ‘madhesis’ would rise against it.
There was a lot of talk about baahunists offspring. I got slightly confused there, so does a baahunist offspring still a baahunists? why are they called baahunist’s offspring? So is it trying to say you are born ‘baahunist’ or you can be converted to ‘baahunists’??!!
Moving on, it sounds like these ‘baahunists’ attend special school, hold secret meeetings (quite possibly like KKK) and are always planning on to see how they can stay in power. But then again, it just sounds like something that’s just been plucked out of the thin year and trying to go on and on about it to try and see how you can drag people into it. and AGAIN divide people. (as it can already be seen). And the ironic part is, this is posted by someone with ‘baahun’ background. (altho, we surely know he’s not a baahunist as he’s the one talking about it, so he’s one on the other side). So anyone who doesn’t agree with him, is?! BUT what makes people so sure, he’s not being satirical and stabbing all of us at the back (with his invisible knife) and trying to be a leader in this ‘baahunist’ ideology.. Surely if there was a non-baahun movements, you don’t want a ‘baahun’ leader, then it’ll just say how right he is about his own article and he’ll be calling himself ‘baahunist’.. see how he’s just contradicting himself.
Overall, all I see this article is doing is laughing at people for being so dumb. And they would actually believe and fall for anything that is just totally built on abstract theory. and hey, it did a good job in dividing people. And maybe people should try and make their own minds up and rather than blaming the shit we are in to other people, maybe work on it together so we can be out of this shit. Because believe me, baahunist.. non-baahunist..newars.. chetris.. kirtatis… madhesis.. . We all are in the same position and all this is our fault. And if we just sit here and keep blaming one or the other, we are never going to get out of here and move on.
Hi All,
Let me tell you something i know about Brahmins.
They are Poor as well as Rich. But they are Brilliant and Intelligent. This no one can steal from them.
Of course they are ridiculed and denied any of the rights (Like Jobs and Higher Education) These are denied from them only by politicians to get votes from Dalits, Christians and Muslims.
Let me tell you. Jews were chased by every one.
What is their position now. They are the Intelligent ones in the World. They are able to Cultivate Apple in a Desert.
Same way the more you crush Brahmins they will also grow. Many Brahmins are abroad and they are rich and bring laurells to our country.
Deny them one they will choose the other and try to make a living.If you deny them higher education in India they will get the same in US and grow well. It is high time that Government stops these reservations and look every one with same view.
In Germany, Hitler (Karunanidhi & Ramdas, Tamilnadu) came to power by instigating the majority Germans against Jews who were very successful in trade and education (remember Einstein?). Jews (Brahmins) were only a few % (like Brahmins 3% (TN)) of the population and they were vilified as having come from “outside” (Aryan invasion theory) and were unjustly cornering the benefits. Theories expounded by Goebbels (Periyar, TN) were used for propaganda. So laws were passed restricting trade ownership (SSI laws), minimum 50% of German (OBC/SC/ST) employees in Jewish (Brahmin) firms, and in appointment of Professors in state funded institutions (IITs/IIMs). In other words, quotas, like in TN for example.
All problems for German majority (OBC/SC/ST), including defeat at British hands were attributed to Jews (Brahmins), and roused the population. To keep the rhetoric high, and the minds of people away from hunger/poverty, the Jew (Brahmin) became the prime symbol to be attacked. Millions of Jews (Brahmins) had to flee to America, Australia, Canada (like Brahmins today) and England. Einstein and other Jews helped create the atom bomb in America. Nepal Should learn from this.
Ok first of all, this thread isnt about the KKK. but nevertheless, here goes:
you sad scoop:
“how many african americans do you think the kkk killed? Since you don’t know the answer how can you compare the bahuns with the kkk in your terms?”
First of all, I’m not comparing them with the KKK. I just said that on the assumption “if the bahuns were like the KKK”…and as far as number goes, I don’t know and wont make claims like u do about bahuns killing more than the KKK. but i will assume, they killed as many as they could.
Now back to your another opinion:
In the past centuries:
bahun=nazis
the rest of us= jews, gypsies, non-christians etc.
today
bahun=nazi under fire
the rest=neo-jews etc
WRONG!!!
past centuries:
bahuns=ones with more access to edcuation and they gained that by virtue of their hard work. Non bahuns could become bahuns. Think about this. Bahuns didnt just emerge out of nowhere. Maybe somewhere along the lines, the ancestors of the bahuns today thought that hey, maybe we should start learning, observing and experimenting with things around us. Whereas the ancestors of others thought, hey, maybe we shouldn’t do that. See the difference?
But times have changed. everyone has access to education. My dad is from the hills. Our grandparents built shool for everyone- everyone from tharu, damai, kami, magar, rai limbu, chetrri to our fathers- the bahuns and priests, went to the same school, had the same books, sat together and worked in the filelds together despite being the landlords. My grandfather used to a strong mand and he used to eat and wrestle with others in the villages for fun and entertainment and most of the time his partners used to be of lower castes- achut even- the ones who lived in huts and small sheds. And these maoists come along and give those people false hopes and brgain that we’ve stolen their rights?
Then one night, those very same people my grandfather and others shared those monents with, worked together like slave with, come by in the middle of the night in maoist uniform and demand their rights? demand money? demand that they be given the rice fields and they literally start looting? Yes,their leader was a messed up bahun too, but could these other non-bahuns think for a minute thet their children were going to the same school, drank the same water, ate the same rice as their landlords? Not even for a minute?
If that’s how dalits think and if thats how the non bahuns think then guess what, maybe we should really be oppressive. Maybe we should hunt down everyone of you.
But oh, wait. We havent. and we wont. cuz like all of you, we’re humans too and there’s a reason bahuns are priests- we are not made to kill and oppress. We’re meant to teach.
Bobby, Bobby, Bobby,
Nice try. But WRONG again.
You write:
“First of all, I’m not comparing them with the KKK. I just said that on the assumption …” - well what is the assumption, I understood the authors assumption, and your’s clearly states that if Bahuns were like the KKK the author would not be alive today (SO YOU ARE COMPARING), which to me means, the Bahuns would have killed many, so my response,- which is pointless as you don’t know so you cannot possibly know what you’re talking about.
And again you’re weak attempt to try and figure the Bahuns in the same light as jews. Except of course the Bahuns are the majority here, the ruling class, the elite. And the access to education and opportunities by Bahuns over centuries was not gained through hard work, but through elitist religious and cultural practices by including only “high class” Brahmins and excluding everyone else, originally by taking the Kings under their wing with mumbo jumbo, and now by leading political parties and spreading more modern mumbo jumbo.
People see what this SPAM is doing to us- opening can of worms on the lines of Caste, community and ethnicity. Sterotyping is not the answer even when reality pictures it as such. The point is look beyond creed and colors. I blame SPAM for bringing this fissure amongst us and it is growing day by day- from Madesh to Hills and within communities. No one benefits in this. We need to stay as one and continue with our own heritage, culture and religion. We run into problems when we try to ape others without the preparation, understanding and basic fundamentals in place.
We speak against Monrachy as if in fashion, we speak against certain caste as if they are not Nepali as us, and we do things that are only in self interest or self serving, not in the interest of a country. The utter lack of foresight and consequencies and tendencies to run with the rent a crowd or henchmen with mile -long charge sheet of murders and corruption scandals gives away as “we” being at fault not them.
So lets find unity in diversity not as SPAM is doing creating diversity where it was non-existent. Long live Nepal.
Bahuns are the most cunning…….double crossing people is one of their best qualities. No wonder most of the corrupt politicians are Bauhuns. No offense!
B=Brilliant
R= Relaible
A=Active
H=Honest
M= Modest
I=Intelligent
N= Noble
That’s Brahmin, an SMS I received.
Sonam,
Not a brahmin name, but a brahmin disguised as a sonam no doubt, therefore from your example:
B = Brahmins
R = Racist
A = Anti-others
H = Hatemongers
M = Money grabbers
I = Inquisitive
N= Not trustworthy
S = Sly
Talking..Against Bahunbaad…and Bahun people.. And in the same time asking for Ethnic based Federalism in Nepal……..
It seems that people are not interested to build new Nepal with peace and collectiveness but to form their own “BAAD”. Precisely said…they want Tamangbaad, Gurungbaad, Madhesibaad, Newarbaad, so they can exploit……
Writer just seems to be very aggressive to me…. he is shouting throughout the article….. And people who are appreciating him are none but hungry of power for their caste and race, which they think have been taken by Bahuns….. .
….There will be no Nepal anymore in couple of years…. …. You People are SICK.
Peace
Nepali
After JanaAdnolan II, I have been reading lot of artilces regarding Bahunism and their solo feudalic terror on indigenous people for about 238 years written by same caste origin people like Dinesh Koirala and Krishna Giri. “Dhilo vo tara Chora nai vo” a legendery of Nepali society reflect here. Nepali Indigenous people are still backwards in many aspects. Even today, we need educated and sophisticated bahun origin professionals to hear and gear our voices up. Thanks to Dinesh and Krishna ji for their “BAHADURI” on writting against wrong doings of Bahunism.
Hi All,
I’m an new visitor to this website and the general sentiments towards Brahmins seem to concur with my own limited experience with that culture. I work with a Brahmin, at least whenever he feels like working and only if he considers the job to not be beneath him. He is from Nepal (which is how I ended up on this website) and as the saying goes, will be your friend for as long as you feed him. I was interested in learning if anyone over your way can think of a way to stop these people from becoming Nepal’s chief export if they haven’t already done so.
Personally, I was raised with values where to consider oneself to be above above the activities of one’s fellow workers is about the greatest insult one could give them. If anyone can think of a solution to this problem I would be interested to learn about it. Thanks, and my sympathies to all victims of such unfairness and predjudice,
Dave
Friends,
Instead of playing blaming games, we all should learn to appreciate each other and respect each other. Yes, it is undeniable truth that our history, social structure and caste system has badly divided us, we all have wounds. Only the way to heal these wounds is to love each other, respect with dignity, no more looking down each other, no more giving bad title because of caste differences. Our belief come from hearing, what we hear from society, we have heard enough lies from our society, practiced it, which is still in our heart, for some even knowing what is truth, they are facing struggle to overcome these lies. Friends we can’t come into equality blaming each other but just respecting others and humbling ourselves. I am tamang but my wife is bahun. In our seven years of marriage experience, we found so many differences between two cultures, which we learned from our two different society. Yes we had two different glasses to view things. But as a wife and husband now from different culture. We have learned what is good and what is not good to belief. We are enjoying life together. We have no caste now, just wife and husband. Man and women married into covenant of love. I try to grow long bear and mustache but never will be successful but i am fine. My wife tries to be like Mongolian girl without hair on body, but it keeps coming after every effort. We are all fine friends. We just need to appreciate each other and make correction of wrong belief, together with love and respect, we all can take care this problem and overcome this caste differences.
If parents commit crime and in the name of justice if we execute laws against their children. We will be committing crime against innocent one. Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Let’s practice love:
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is begotten of God, and knoweth God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another from the heart fervently:
We have very good friends from other caste, but sometimes not from our won caste, is not that truth?
Luk 10:26 And he said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Luk 10:29 But he, desiring to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbor?
Luk 10:30 Jesus made answer and said, A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho; and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
Luk 10:31 And by chance a certain priest was going down that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
Luk 10:32 And in like manner a Levite also, when he came to the place, and saw him, passed by on the other side.
Luk 10:33 But a certain Samaritan(who was considered low caste in that time), as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he was moved with compassion,
Luk 10:34 and came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on them oil and wine; and he set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
Luk 10:35 And on the morrow he took out two shillings, and gave them to the host, and said, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, I, when I come back again, will repay thee.
Luk 10:36 Which of these three, thinkest thou, proved neighbor unto him that fell among the robbers?
Luk 10:37 And he said, He that showed mercy on him. And Jesus said unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Love will fix this problem:
Mat 22:37 And he said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the great and first commandment.
Mat 22:39 And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets.
Bless you All. Let’s do every effort we can to live in harmony.