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Sex & the City

A reporter’s experience of conducting a survey for Nepal Magazine

Saturday Blog

By Deepak Adhikari

In Nepali society, sex is the game played only inside cozy bedrooms. Well, not so any more; at least if you go through the survey my colleague Saroj and I conducted for Nepal Magazine last week. The survey revealed some startling facts: That our girls and boys are opening up more, that prostitution is rampant and authority is turning a deaf ear to it, albeit knowing very much that it exists.

It was tough undertaking a survey of this kind among sex workers, for this trade flourishes under shadowy surroundings and distrustful deals. Our first destination was Bhaktapur and we too were surprised to know that there are around one thousand five hundred sex-workers in that tiny district. “There are many reasons,” says one NGO man, “Araniko highway and the gateway to Khasa trade and to Kavre are the factors.” In another two room office of an NGO at Thamel, Maya was telling her horrible story about how she ended up in a massage parlour. Poverty is the main reason, but many are in for easy money. 57 per cent of respondents have said that they took the profession due to poverty. But, 19 per cent sought enjoyment in it.

Back in our office, the gorgeous and sizzling lady model was willingly giving numerous poses tinged with sex appeal. Her male partner was rather shy making the traditional credo topsy-turvy. As the living in urban areas becomes tougher, gullible rural girls are easily lured by false promises and flesh trade flourishes in the form of cabin restaurants, dance bars and massage parlors. Most of the stories are same: they are dumped by their boyfriends or are drug addicts or were used to having sex with guys in their early teens. 29 per cent of them had their first sexual intercourse with lovers. Sex trade is an undenying phenomenon. To curb it is simply impossible. The state’s agenda should be sex management, not the occasional raids and torture to the fair sex.

A story based on the survey was published in Nepal Magazine last week.

31 Responses to Sex & the City

Kris Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 2:01 pm
well, thank for such write up but mean time the photo u made with models is not suit in the write up. some data look like mere asumption. ur report is somewhat an ad for sex-mood. writing seems mare imagination of a young guy what is lacking sth. Here, data u want to focus are quite astry of main write up. lang. and presentation are praisewrothy.

kris
Nov 26.05

chankhe Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
[icd]

UWB:
Chankhe ji,
We didn’t expect such language from you. Modelling is a respectable profession.

Acrokiller Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 3:57 pm
“United We Blog! for a Democratic Nepal” – difficult to place this story within that frame- especially with those ‘suggestive’ly lewd pictures. I think the results of the survey can hardly be called startling. Anyone who sees the number of ‘cabin’ or ‘dance’ restaurants and sleazy massage parlours that have, or had cropped up on the streets of Kathmandu. Other findings are quite interesting, specially that 19% of the respondents have not been forced into the profession. But please- we could really do without the pictures. Just because its a survey on sex, doesnt mean you have to visually ‘embellish’ it. I doubt if Kinsey had such visual illustrations in his report.

Avipsha Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 5:23 pm
Truths are really bitter.

Reports are shocking.

This is indeed an issue to be discussed .

But then, is modelling has anything to do with prostitution or fornication? i think no, and i wonder how the gorgeous and sultry model got scruples to pose herself in a magzine, merely a reporting, her sizzling curves has gone astrayed , it gets no any credit, did she really understand on what she is featuring at the time of photo session? very funny! these clips do not make any sense to me.

And its really shocking, how the editor might have approved those clips. How the reporters might relate this report to the clips.The pics are neither vulgur nor decent, they are neither obscene nor artistic, but certainly, the photograph could be taken and given in better manner, with a meaning.

Rtf Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 6:36 pm
wagle ji,

“à¤?à¥?याविन à¤?रà¥?ल”(cabin girl) bhaneko ke ho ?? bujhena ?? thx

UWB:
Rtf ji,
Wagle ji didn’t write the story. Deepak wrote. We think he will explain that to you when he finds time.

sanobahini Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 8:13 pm
What do the photos have to do with prostitution? I feel sorry for the young woman who chose to model for them, because she looks like a [icd] in the photos, as well, making a “come on”. Is that how she wants to be known?

If you had left the photos out, you would have had a convincing story. But what is the point of a “survey”? does this man really think that prostitution is something new? When was he born? Prostitution is as old as time.

The part of the whole scenario he should have focused on was that women will always prostitute themselves for money, and often because they are poor. That is a fact. And since this is the case, prostitutioon should be legalized and controlled, although that may not be possible in a country like Nepal.

The real issue here is the spread of HIV and AIDS. The rate of HIV in India is growing at such a rapid rate that it will soon overtake Africa with more HIV cases. And who bears the brunt of this? the WOMEN, who are often left widowed, with children,and the children, who ultimately are orphaned.

In Nepal, with the open borders and so many men going to india for work, it is a real concern. The other concern is truck drivers, police and army who regularly frequent prostitutes and travel back to their home villages. In western countries, antiretroviral drugs are readily available. They, however, are NO CURE. There IS NO CURE FOR AIDS. The antiretrovirals will only help extend your life a bit. But in Nepal, antiretrovirals are not readily available, and the cost is prohibitive for all but a few.

The answer is education. But even with education, women in nepal are often at the mercy of men who refuse to use protection. And it is in no way confined to prostitutes. Young men and women in Kathmandu are equally at risk. Education is the key, but is there any sex education in the schools in Nepal? in the usa, children start sex education quite early, and it is graphic and does not shy away from the hard truths. My son was already learning about a condom when he was in 6th grade, which is not too early. Thailand has a similar program, and they have drastically cut the rate of HIV infection by their education programs and also monitoring the sex trade.

Again, prostitution is as old as time. but HIV and AIDS are not. And they are deadly, and spreading quickly in Nepal. And, unlike the west, in the underdeveloped countries they are spread mainly through heterosexual sex, not homosexual. THAT is scary.And it is not just prostitutes you have to worry about. Don’t demonize prostitutes. As long as there are men willing to go to prostitutes and then return to their wives and family, the rate of HIV and AIDS will continue to climb. It is not a joke, and your photos trivialize this serious issue.

And to the young woman in the photo (and the young man): are you proud of posing like a whore and her customer? I hope not. You are not doing a service to the young people of nepal who need responsible role models.

oh, one more thing. To those who will invariably say, oh, I’m american, so I have no right to talk because we hvae highly suggestive ads here, too. I say this: we also have education programs in the schools and AIDS is mainly spread through gay sex, not heterosexual here. We also have antiretroviral drugs and regular testing programs. THAT is the difference. It does not mean we are “better”. It just means in an underdeveloped country like Nepal, there is not the health care available to deal with this kind of tragedy nor the education programs in the schools to teach responsible behaviour. As the article pointed out, talk of sex is “hush hush” in your society. And “hush hush” can mean disaster, and DEATH, if precautions are not taken to protect yourself.

suvecha Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 8:48 pm
This type of ‘survey’ or ‘story’ is not new to the Nepalese press. I conducted a month long investigation into the sex industry in Nepal almost two years ago. During that time, I published a series of articles in The Kathmandu Post, like

Safe sex awareness in urban sex markets

Morality clashes with safety: Should a woman carry condoms?

It is indeed sad to see that the journalists have been unable to go further than just stating the facts which is nothing new.

Perhaps it would have been better for the journalists to actually talk to the sex workers, assess their needs, see were they are coming from and also understand what they need. I know there are several empowernment groups of sex workers.

If they were focusing on sexual awareness they could have interviewed general people. And like everyone else I think the pictures add no value to the story, infact all they do is make it ‘hot’

bla bla Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 11:59 pm
sanobahini ji

i know it is quite common for american to exchange sex with best friend or best friends friends friends. In america sex is just about [icd] a good looking person thats it it doesnot have any meaning as in our society. at least 12 year old girl dont get pregnant in our sociey. what about girls having sex with random guys they meet every weekend they party in frat house or some club. Education has’t prevented aids or prevented 12 year old from getting pregnant has it?

chankhe Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 11:59 pm
Dear UWB,

The story is very informative, but the pictures you posted depict what I had expressed. I don’t think there was anything like icd there. Whoever the guy is look like a [icd]!

I have been also in view that Nepalese authorities need to manage sex than raiding entertainment houses. Instead, they are exploiting the industry as a milching cow.

sanobahini Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 1:54 am
IN my above post, I said that the young model in the photo should be ashamed because she looks like a [icd]. But somehow that was censored! Amazing, since the whole point of the story was about whores! what’s your problem, United We Blog? it is a simple statement of what I (and clearly others) see.

Who cares what we do in the USA? the USA has 260 million people living there! I don’t know and don’t care what a person does in the privacy of their own homes. But in a country like Nepal, where AIds is starting to become an epidemic, you should care. We care about AIDS and STD’s here, too, but as a developed country, we have the education and medical tools to deal with it. Nepal does not. It is a great tragedy for a young Nepali woman to find she has HIV or AIDS, with young children and the stigma of the disease. Many prostitutes who return from India are ostracized from their famlies after finding out they have the disease.

It is quite a different issue in a poor country like Nepal. One of the big problems is public awareness. Many people don’t understand the disease at all and think that just by touching someone with AIDS, or being near them and breathing the air they breathe, they can get sense. The ONLY ways to contact AIDS are through sex (exchange of body fluids) or through intravenous drug use (using unclean needles that have been explosed to blood of an HIV infected person). This is another route of transmission for Hepatitis B, also a common disease spread by sharing needles and by sex.

Turtle Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 3:08 pm
I dont understand the photo ordeal!

First the write of the blog says that he found it rather uneasy when the female model was happy to give poses with sex appeal than the male model. But that is what models are suppose to d, arent they? Be professional. It just shows that the female model they chose was more professsional than the male model. And I think she did a phenomenal job on her part.

Such sureys are common, if not in Nepal. India Today carries such a asurvey every year. And THey do carry rather artistic pictures if not vulgar.

And the readers should not be reacting to the pictures or the model (callin her a whore). Thye should be reacting to the poor write up.

And sanobahini, Please for god’s sake you dont have any right to call some one a whore.

All in all these write ups depict atleast kathmandu (if not Nepal) is moving towards sexual liberation and I dont think any body should have a problem with that.

But the real thing to worry about is the prostitution. Yes it a easy profession to earn money but no matter how professional you become one has to kill his/her soul before turning their options toward prostitution. This is another scar that the 10 year long civil war has given to us. And unless a major part of the country sees the light of development, we can be a mere spectator of the ever growing line of cabin restaurants.

gpk Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 5:28 pm
The guy and the girl both look like [icd]. The article is not even worth mentioning. Maybe Dashing Deep as the writer is known took [icd] pictures with his [icd] for the hell of it.

Gaule Keta Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 6:17 pm
sanobahini,

Frankly,- Does it possible infect by mouth kissing and licking v.?

Gaule Keta Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 6:20 pm
up line: I mean AIDS or HIV infect…

sanobahini Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 7:19 pm
What, is this a sex education class? Sorry, Gaule Keta, I won’t answer that! Exchange of BODILY FLUIDS says it all. Again, this just goes to show how desperately Nepal needs sex education in the schools. Wasn’t there an article in Nepali Times not too long ago about some of the misinformation of young teenagers in Kathmandu about sex and how AIDS is transmitted?

UWB, rather than write about surveys, why not write an informative article about the way that STDS and HIV are spread. Why not even find an educated teenager to do it! Someone who can relate to the kids!

another idea. If you had used the photo above to show the young couple about to have sex, but the young man was holding a condom in his hand. NOw that would be an educational photo. I’m not opposed to the photo itself, in the right context. But in the context of an article about a survey on prostitution, it sent the wrong message. And those stupid little “condom man” guys (its a bird, its a plane, its superman…no, sorry, its CONDOM MAN!) just make people laugh. Does anyone really take those ads seriously? you can have zillions of billboards. But they are meaningless unless you go directly to the source: THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOLS.

Gaule Keta Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 11:28 pm
yes, it is you said BODY FLUIDS sanobahini, but I think it is not included tears, sweat perspiration, ryt ?? I know this blog is for free, it donsn’t cost any penny for sex education. So keep it continue. why are you not answering that ? I also know that you are mature enough to explain it and enable to imagin in details that you have been experienced. I’m very keen to hear from you directly exchange. because we don’t have sex course in english nor i could read nepali font.

I’m not from Kathmandu see my Nick itself saying Gaule Keta ( remote unknown villager boy).In this village never arrive such kinds of News papers, nor people ever heard about it !!. you said Condom, I wonder that how could you use it?? Are you talking about woman condom ??
In my village, we play it like balloon for holly water festival by using it to fill water and enjoy watering to others. So what is wrong there ?? Will you happy laugh at those innocent people who are doing right and nothing wrong. But to laugh, sad or to cry is because of you western guys who are known as educated do sex taste with animals monkey and infected HIV/ AIDS bring in Nepal !! And how madly you are asking that why there are not any sex education in Nepal ??

bla bla Says:

November 28th, 2005 at 2:10 am
sano baini ji
u must live in farming cummunity in wisconsin i dont know how the girl in picture look like wh$re. may be u should show your picture from one of your weekend party (all drunk and fuc%%%d up ). then we will judge who would look like a wh$re.

chankhe Says:

November 28th, 2005 at 3:13 am
hey guys,

listen to Prachanda’s bbc interview…it is a real fierce

sex ko kura bhanda rajniti ko kura sunna maja aunchha

sanobahini Says:

November 28th, 2005 at 10:20 am
dinesh, what did you expect by putting a topic like this on your blog? by reading some of the immature and frankly illogical and rude comments of other posts, it is not surprising to see that a serious topic has turned into a joke. It is no wonder Nepal is falling off a cliff, politically and, it seems, sexually, as AiDS is reaching epidemic proportions.

I agree, stick to the fact that the BBC Nepali newscast has been censored, and a radio station raided yet again. that is the real topic of concern. Let these other idiots who don’t have a clue about how to honestly talk about healthy sexuality and how to protect oneself and ones family from a disease that has no cure, where you ultimately die, let them keep on doing their primitive and ignorant behaviour and spreading disease.

you know, the more I read this blog, the more I realize why Nepal is falling apart. The total idiocy of some of the people who respond to your blogs is simply ASTOUNDING. You are truly living in the dark ages.

zpt Says:

November 28th, 2005 at 2:14 pm
So wht’s this fuss about no sex education in Nepal..If our govt has done a commendable work in anything it is health.What do u guys know by just stayin in the luxury of the cities..go to the villages even the Chepangs know of the condoms. N Gaule keta ur all ur pretense abt being innocent was nothing but annoying. So keen to learn about sex , why not try multiple options in the net. Nobody is keen on knowing whatever u used to do in ur “village”.

hawkeye Says:

November 28th, 2005 at 11:24 pm
I don’t think most of the frequenters are from kathmandu, eventhought they might have settled down here. My assumption and surely could be wrong

bibas Says:

November 29th, 2005 at 1:55 am
sanobahini!

For your kind information, Nepal is among the first nations to introduce health and population related course as a mandatory subject in high school(lower level) in Asia itself. No doubt, informal sex education in Nepal lags far behind but still by now I am pretty much sure every SLC graduate(10th grade if you are confused) is aware of sex related issues from methods of spread to use of protective devices. I know in US parents do not hesitate to watch porns along with their children. I was ashamed when I visited a friend of mine in New York and ended up watching a porn along with his parents and sisters. It might be informative but sometimes there are certain limitations and hesitations. May be we are behind because of this…isn’t it Sanobahini?
It is weird to see posts which assume lack of knowledge in this matter. Guys, wake up! Sanobahini shouldn’t be the one to teach you sex education.There are plenty of resources one can find in the internet if you are really unaware of such issues.

till then…cheers!

Aakash Says:

November 29th, 2005 at 9:44 am
I have nothing to say about this poorly written and meaningless article. It lacks relevant data and research to call it a survey. Whatever you wrote, everyone knows it.

But what I hated about the article are the lines:
“Back in our office, the gorgeous and sizzling lady model was willingly giving numerous poses tinged with sex appeal. Her male partner was rather shy making the traditional credo topsy-turvy. ”

You have called the models to pose for your article. And probably they are professional models and they surely do not have any problems posing for you. But then, how fare it is to write a report with such comments. Don’t you think you are doing injustice for the lady model by writing those lines. What do you mean that the guy is rather shy and the girl was rather gorgeous and sizzling and was willing to pose for those pics. I do not feel the guy was shy either. If you think it was erotic picture, then why did you ask them to take pics in those poses….Don’t you think there is something wrong with you rather than the models ??

I just wonder how the editors of this blog allowed this writeup. Don’t you do editing? Or just because they are your friends, you put it as it is.

Nepal Flag Says:

November 29th, 2005 at 12:49 pm
SEX IS GOOOOD FOR HEALTH. THERE ARE DIFFRENT WAY YOU CAN DO SEX. I LIKE 69. SEX IS SURELY PLEASURE. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WIHT SEX. BY THE WAY, EVERY ONE IS NAKED IN BED ANYWAY. FREE SEX FREE SOCEITY, NO MORE TIME FOR DIRTY POLITICS…..

sanobahini Says:

November 29th, 2005 at 10:11 pm
Rather than get this topic (which was originaly about the so called “survey” of sex workers in the kathmandu valley) off track again, let’s get to the crux of the issue. It is not porn. Porn is all over the world. In fact, if you want to read and look at porn, fine, do it! It is your right in a free society as long as you don’t harm others doing so! it is the right of UWB to publish the photos accompanying the text above, even though the articles I personally found offensive, not because of the photos themselves (They are tame compared to what any of us see on tv and movies any day of the week) but because of their inappropriateness related to the topic.

But the crux of the issue is that in most of nepal, yes, even in kathmandu, young people (even well off, educated ones) are not always practicing safe sex, and the outcome can be deadly.

Here, from the UN:

Introduction

Over the last years the HIV/AIDS epidemic in Nepal has gained ground, and Nepal has progressed from a â??low prevalenceâ?? country to one with a so-called concentrated epidemic in certain sub-groups of the population (e.g. sex workers, injecting drug users). For Nepal the window of opportunity is closing fast to effectively address the epidemic. Without mounting a vigorous, broad-based response now, AIDS may become the leading cause of death in the age group 15-49 years over the next ten years.

HIV/AIDS epidemiological situation1

DataDate
Reported HIV cases4861Mar-05
Reported AIDS cases871Mar-05
Estimated number of adults & children living with HIV/AIDS62000End 20032
Estimated adult and child mortality due to HIV/AIDS2500End 2003
Estimated number of new HIV infections93002003
HIV prevalence
IDUs (Katmmandu Valley)68%2002
Sex Workers (Street-based in Kathmandu Valley)15.60%2002
STI patients0.7-6.62000
Blood donors
Kathmandu0.59%2002/2003
Nationwide0.442002/2003
Ante-natal Care0.20%2000

Epidemiological factors
Predominant mode of transmission is sexual contact, presumably mainly heterosexual

Limited information available about homosexual/bisexual transmission

Highest rates of HIV have been identified in injecting drug users (IDUs)

Data indicate that risk behaviors are widespread among female sex workers (FSWs), their clients, IDUs, labour migrants and young people

Current estimated HIV infection rate – 0.5% of the adult population between the ages of 15 – 49

here is evidence of an explosive increase in the number of infections since 1996

Increasing levels of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) reported
Nepalâ??s vulnerability to HIV/AIDS
A national situation analysis3 identified the following groups as the most vulnerable to HIV/AIDS in Nepal:
Young people

Mobile populations

Female sex workers

Men who have sex with men

Injecting drug users

Children

bibas Says:

November 30th, 2005 at 12:12 am
I admit there is a severe problem in Nepal but I hate the way Sanobahini depicts the story. May be we are having a hell of a life in Nepal but don’t forget the people in your backyard too.

Here are some facts about Aids in USA…

1. In 2002, it is estimated that 41289 people were diagnosed with AIDS. There was still a desperate need for education in America – a study showed that approximately “50% of Americans” still believed that they could acquire HIV through everyday contact.

2. In 2003, it is estimated that 43171 people were diagnosed with AIDS.

Race % of AIDS cases in 2003â? % of population in 2003â?¡
White, non-Hispanic 28% 69%
African American 50% 13%
Latino(-a) 20% 14%
Asian/Pacific Islander 1% 3%
American Indian/Alaska Native 1% 1%

â? Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, 2003 (Vol. 15)
â?¡ Kaiser Family Foundation HIV/AIDS Policy Factsheet – December 2004

So, you have the resources and education to deal with the problem? Consider the minorities-50% of the cases are found among african americans while their share of total population was just 13%…and the fact that still 50% of americans believe that hiv spreads through everyday contact….more information to follow:

a 2004 survey found that whilst 99% of Americans knew that having unprotected intercourse and sharing an IV needle might transmit HIV, 38% thought that it could be transmitted by kissing, 25% by sharing a drinking glass, and 18% thought that they could be infected by touching a toilet seat.25……

source:AVERT

Gaule Keta Says:

November 30th, 2005 at 12:50 am
What the old stale facts are there!?? Look chicken, here it is the fresh one,, The first case of AIDS in Nepal was reported in 1988. As of December 2001, UNAIDS estimated that 38,000 people were living with HIV/AIDS, and 3,500 AIDS-related deaths had occurred. As of March 2002, MOH reported 585 AIDS cases and 2243 HIV positives.

In female who inject drugs, HIV prevalence was 70 percent as of 2000.

Nepal runs the risk of an increased epidemic due to an active sex trade and high rates of girl trafficking to India for sex work. It is estimated that approximately 100,000 Nepalese are engaged in commercial sex work in India.

in January 2004, Nepalâ??s Ministry of Health reported 3,388 HIV infections and 708 AIDS cases.

by march 2005, Gvt of Nepal 4,862 living with the infections and 441 who had death of AIDS, new cases during 2005 totaled 106, and it is 0.52 percent among general polulation. GOT ??

What is this ?
Canning town of London ??
OR
Cunning town of USA ??

I read some news recently about USA, official says: A housewife who had seen with teenage schoolboys and plied them with drugs and alcohol in her bid to be a ” cool mum ” has been jailed for 30 years.

Official claim she had sex with five teenage pupils, including her own daughter’s boyfriend, although she admitted only two counts. Report said.

Gaule Keta says: Beware of with westeners , we are not to belive at all of those whatever they says who cares ? nor count ! who knows son rape mom, and where offen ??

“Proud to be a Nepalese Gaule Keta” Dhanyawad !

Gaule Keta Says:

November 30th, 2005 at 1:11 am
Thanx wagle
for your sencorship ma pr2805comment, let me post it once more ,,nothing much to sayâ?¦â?¦just having funny to discuss with western chicken . It is no surprised widow looking nice guy through internet like meh huhâ?¦It was really icthing that how fiercely became mad by reading my clues. I want to ask you Wagle , what the hell she need ? tell meh now,,rite now ?? …we have nothing to get and nothing to lost….isn’t it ??????????????? Thank you all guys in here reading my slogan but look, iâ??m for sure do not trying to put anyone dizzy into blackmagic, it was just my psycholocal taste in here by writing some exciting words, It may not surprise if tomorrow Iâ??d an assignment of my survey on the topic: “Western Womenâ??s Reaction on Sexual Conduct” or WWRSC. So I got something through and found some points to talk about in my class for tomorrow. It was absolutely I met wrong wrinckle number chicken here!! I guess
Gaule Keta says: “How the meterials are highly developed in the western countries but less their mind is. So I canâ??t deny compare them like money as I said up there”.

Mero desh, mero Nepal.

mika Says:

December 5th, 2005 at 5:40 pm
hi Sanobahini,

My god you are being eaten up alive by these ignorant men! How pathetic are them making this alarming serious topic into a joke blunder…. You know one thing, no one knows the extent of this disease until it happens to themselves…..I have seen AIDS victims and know how much they suffer. It’s NO JOKE!!

What’s the use in comparing USA with nepal in terms of AIDS? USA is 60 times bigger than Nepal!! Compared to USA, Nepal’s AIDS victimes are wayyy more percentage wise…….Yes, USA has AIDS victims too that’s why they want to spread the sex education, knowledge about it so that developing countries like nepal can benefit. And especially women of Nepal who have no clue about sex education let alone their body and about protection. And what’s the problem with this??? If you are sexually active do u even know that u yourself might be transmitted with STDs? Do you check up regularly buddy before acting like you know everything?

If these guys wanna be gaule “ignorant” than what can I say? Are u proud of being ignorant in this century? Give me a break! It gets no more pathetic than a person calling himself ignorant and being proud of it lol! Don’t get these gaules let u down sanobahini…..

Hot or Nuts Nepali Says:

December 19th, 2005 at 4:09 pm
Keep it up Prakash………

rachalica Says:

January 2nd, 2006 at 12:57 pm
condom producers have made sex a game which can be purchased. condom sales has increased as most of sex survey are conducted by condom producers. but it should not be game. it should be a pure way to continuing living thing by reproduction.

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Sex & the City

A reporter’s experience of conducting a survey for Nepal Magazine

Saturday Blog

By Deepak Adhikari

In Nepali society, sex is the game played only inside cozy bedrooms. Well, not so any more; at least if you go through the survey my colleague Saroj and I conducted for Nepal Magazine last week. The survey revealed some startling facts: That our girls and boys are opening up more, that prostitution is rampant and authority is turning a deaf ear to it, albeit knowing very much that it exists.

It was tough undertaking a survey of this kind among sex workers, for this trade flourishes under shadowy surroundings and distrustful deals. Our first destination was Bhaktapur and we too were surprised to know that there are around one thousand five hundred sex-workers in that tiny district. “There are many reasons,” says one NGO man, “Araniko highway and the gateway to Khasa trade and to Kavre are the factors.” In another two room office of an NGO at Thamel, Maya was telling her horrible story about how she ended up in a massage parlour. Poverty is the main reason, but many are in for easy money. 57 per cent of respondents have said that they took the profession due to poverty. But, 19 per cent sought enjoyment in it.

Back in our office, the gorgeous and sizzling lady model was willingly giving numerous poses tinged with sex appeal. Her male partner was rather shy making the traditional credo topsy-turvy. As the living in urban areas becomes tougher, gullible rural girls are easily lured by false promises and flesh trade flourishes in the form of cabin restaurants, dance bars and massage parlors. Most of the stories are same: they are dumped by their boyfriends or are drug addicts or were used to having sex with guys in their early teens. 29 per cent of them had their first sexual intercourse with lovers. Sex trade is an undenying phenomenon. To curb it is simply impossible. The state’s agenda should be sex management, not the occasional raids and torture to the fair sex.

A story based on the survey was published in Nepal Magazine last week.

31 Responses to Sex & the City

Kris Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 2:01 pm
well, thank for such write up but mean time the photo u made with models is not suit in the write up. some data look like mere asumption. ur report is somewhat an ad for sex-mood. writing seems mare imagination of a young guy what is lacking sth. Here, data u want to focus are quite astry of main write up. lang. and presentation are praisewrothy.

kris
Nov 26.05

chankhe Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
[icd]

UWB:
Chankhe ji,
We didn’t expect such language from you. Modelling is a respectable profession.

Acrokiller Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 3:57 pm
“United We Blog! for a Democratic Nepal” – difficult to place this story within that frame- especially with those ‘suggestive’ly lewd pictures. I think the results of the survey can hardly be called startling. Anyone who sees the number of ‘cabin’ or ‘dance’ restaurants and sleazy massage parlours that have, or had cropped up on the streets of Kathmandu. Other findings are quite interesting, specially that 19% of the respondents have not been forced into the profession. But please- we could really do without the pictures. Just because its a survey on sex, doesnt mean you have to visually ‘embellish’ it. I doubt if Kinsey had such visual illustrations in his report.

Avipsha Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 5:23 pm
Truths are really bitter.

Reports are shocking.

This is indeed an issue to be discussed .

But then, is modelling has anything to do with prostitution or fornication? i think no, and i wonder how the gorgeous and sultry model got scruples to pose herself in a magzine, merely a reporting, her sizzling curves has gone astrayed , it gets no any credit, did she really understand on what she is featuring at the time of photo session? very funny! these clips do not make any sense to me.

And its really shocking, how the editor might have approved those clips. How the reporters might relate this report to the clips.The pics are neither vulgur nor decent, they are neither obscene nor artistic, but certainly, the photograph could be taken and given in better manner, with a meaning.

Rtf Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 6:36 pm
wagle ji,

“à¤?à¥?याविन à¤?रà¥?ल”(cabin girl) bhaneko ke ho ?? bujhena ?? thx

UWB:
Rtf ji,
Wagle ji didn’t write the story. Deepak wrote. We think he will explain that to you when he finds time.

sanobahini Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 8:13 pm
What do the photos have to do with prostitution? I feel sorry for the young woman who chose to model for them, because she looks like a [icd] in the photos, as well, making a “come on”. Is that how she wants to be known?

If you had left the photos out, you would have had a convincing story. But what is the point of a “survey”? does this man really think that prostitution is something new? When was he born? Prostitution is as old as time.

The part of the whole scenario he should have focused on was that women will always prostitute themselves for money, and often because they are poor. That is a fact. And since this is the case, prostitutioon should be legalized and controlled, although that may not be possible in a country like Nepal.

The real issue here is the spread of HIV and AIDS. The rate of HIV in India is growing at such a rapid rate that it will soon overtake Africa with more HIV cases. And who bears the brunt of this? the WOMEN, who are often left widowed, with children,and the children, who ultimately are orphaned.

In Nepal, with the open borders and so many men going to india for work, it is a real concern. The other concern is truck drivers, police and army who regularly frequent prostitutes and travel back to their home villages. In western countries, antiretroviral drugs are readily available. They, however, are NO CURE. There IS NO CURE FOR AIDS. The antiretrovirals will only help extend your life a bit. But in Nepal, antiretrovirals are not readily available, and the cost is prohibitive for all but a few.

The answer is education. But even with education, women in nepal are often at the mercy of men who refuse to use protection. And it is in no way confined to prostitutes. Young men and women in Kathmandu are equally at risk. Education is the key, but is there any sex education in the schools in Nepal? in the usa, children start sex education quite early, and it is graphic and does not shy away from the hard truths. My son was already learning about a condom when he was in 6th grade, which is not too early. Thailand has a similar program, and they have drastically cut the rate of HIV infection by their education programs and also monitoring the sex trade.

Again, prostitution is as old as time. but HIV and AIDS are not. And they are deadly, and spreading quickly in Nepal. And, unlike the west, in the underdeveloped countries they are spread mainly through heterosexual sex, not homosexual. THAT is scary.And it is not just prostitutes you have to worry about. Don’t demonize prostitutes. As long as there are men willing to go to prostitutes and then return to their wives and family, the rate of HIV and AIDS will continue to climb. It is not a joke, and your photos trivialize this serious issue.

And to the young woman in the photo (and the young man): are you proud of posing like a whore and her customer? I hope not. You are not doing a service to the young people of nepal who need responsible role models.

oh, one more thing. To those who will invariably say, oh, I’m american, so I have no right to talk because we hvae highly suggestive ads here, too. I say this: we also have education programs in the schools and AIDS is mainly spread through gay sex, not heterosexual here. We also have antiretroviral drugs and regular testing programs. THAT is the difference. It does not mean we are “better”. It just means in an underdeveloped country like Nepal, there is not the health care available to deal with this kind of tragedy nor the education programs in the schools to teach responsible behaviour. As the article pointed out, talk of sex is “hush hush” in your society. And “hush hush” can mean disaster, and DEATH, if precautions are not taken to protect yourself.

suvecha Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 8:48 pm
This type of ‘survey’ or ‘story’ is not new to the Nepalese press. I conducted a month long investigation into the sex industry in Nepal almost two years ago. During that time, I published a series of articles in The Kathmandu Post, like

Safe sex awareness in urban sex markets

Morality clashes with safety: Should a woman carry condoms?

It is indeed sad to see that the journalists have been unable to go further than just stating the facts which is nothing new.

Perhaps it would have been better for the journalists to actually talk to the sex workers, assess their needs, see were they are coming from and also understand what they need. I know there are several empowernment groups of sex workers.

If they were focusing on sexual awareness they could have interviewed general people. And like everyone else I think the pictures add no value to the story, infact all they do is make it ‘hot’

bla bla Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 11:59 pm
sanobahini ji

i know it is quite common for american to exchange sex with best friend or best friends friends friends. In america sex is just about [icd] a good looking person thats it it doesnot have any meaning as in our society. at least 12 year old girl dont get pregnant in our sociey. what about girls having sex with random guys they meet every weekend they party in frat house or some club. Education has’t prevented aids or prevented 12 year old from getting pregnant has it?

chankhe Says:

November 26th, 2005 at 11:59 pm
Dear UWB,

The story is very informative, but the pictures you posted depict what I had expressed. I don’t think there was anything like icd there. Whoever the guy is look like a [icd]!

I have been also in view that Nepalese authorities need to manage sex than raiding entertainment houses. Instead, they are exploiting the industry as a milching cow.

sanobahini Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 1:54 am
IN my above post, I said that the young model in the photo should be ashamed because she looks like a [icd]. But somehow that was censored! Amazing, since the whole point of the story was about whores! what’s your problem, United We Blog? it is a simple statement of what I (and clearly others) see.

Who cares what we do in the USA? the USA has 260 million people living there! I don’t know and don’t care what a person does in the privacy of their own homes. But in a country like Nepal, where AIds is starting to become an epidemic, you should care. We care about AIDS and STD’s here, too, but as a developed country, we have the education and medical tools to deal with it. Nepal does not. It is a great tragedy for a young Nepali woman to find she has HIV or AIDS, with young children and the stigma of the disease. Many prostitutes who return from India are ostracized from their famlies after finding out they have the disease.

It is quite a different issue in a poor country like Nepal. One of the big problems is public awareness. Many people don’t understand the disease at all and think that just by touching someone with AIDS, or being near them and breathing the air they breathe, they can get sense. The ONLY ways to contact AIDS are through sex (exchange of body fluids) or through intravenous drug use (using unclean needles that have been explosed to blood of an HIV infected person). This is another route of transmission for Hepatitis B, also a common disease spread by sharing needles and by sex.

Turtle Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 3:08 pm
I dont understand the photo ordeal!

First the write of the blog says that he found it rather uneasy when the female model was happy to give poses with sex appeal than the male model. But that is what models are suppose to d, arent they? Be professional. It just shows that the female model they chose was more professsional than the male model. And I think she did a phenomenal job on her part.

Such sureys are common, if not in Nepal. India Today carries such a asurvey every year. And THey do carry rather artistic pictures if not vulgar.

And the readers should not be reacting to the pictures or the model (callin her a whore). Thye should be reacting to the poor write up.

And sanobahini, Please for god’s sake you dont have any right to call some one a whore.

All in all these write ups depict atleast kathmandu (if not Nepal) is moving towards sexual liberation and I dont think any body should have a problem with that.

But the real thing to worry about is the prostitution. Yes it a easy profession to earn money but no matter how professional you become one has to kill his/her soul before turning their options toward prostitution. This is another scar that the 10 year long civil war has given to us. And unless a major part of the country sees the light of development, we can be a mere spectator of the ever growing line of cabin restaurants.

gpk Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 5:28 pm
The guy and the girl both look like [icd]. The article is not even worth mentioning. Maybe Dashing Deep as the writer is known took [icd] pictures with his [icd] for the hell of it.

Gaule Keta Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 6:17 pm
sanobahini,

Frankly,- Does it possible infect by mouth kissing and licking v.?

Gaule Keta Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 6:20 pm
up line: I mean AIDS or HIV infect…

sanobahini Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 7:19 pm
What, is this a sex education class? Sorry, Gaule Keta, I won’t answer that! Exchange of BODILY FLUIDS says it all. Again, this just goes to show how desperately Nepal needs sex education in the schools. Wasn’t there an article in Nepali Times not too long ago about some of the misinformation of young teenagers in Kathmandu about sex and how AIDS is transmitted?

UWB, rather than write about surveys, why not write an informative article about the way that STDS and HIV are spread. Why not even find an educated teenager to do it! Someone who can relate to the kids!

another idea. If you had used the photo above to show the young couple about to have sex, but the young man was holding a condom in his hand. NOw that would be an educational photo. I’m not opposed to the photo itself, in the right context. But in the context of an article about a survey on prostitution, it sent the wrong message. And those stupid little “condom man” guys (its a bird, its a plane, its superman…no, sorry, its CONDOM MAN!) just make people laugh. Does anyone really take those ads seriously? you can have zillions of billboards. But they are meaningless unless you go directly to the source: THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOLS.

Gaule Keta Says:

November 27th, 2005 at 11:28 pm
yes, it is you said BODY FLUIDS sanobahini, but I think it is not included tears, sweat perspiration, ryt ?? I know this blog is for free, it donsn’t cost any penny for sex education. So keep it continue. why are you not answering that ? I also know that you are mature enough to explain it and enable to imagin in details that you have been experienced. I’m very keen to hear from you directly exchange. because we don’t have sex course in english nor i could read nepali font.

I’m not from Kathmandu see my Nick itself saying Gaule Keta ( remote unknown villager boy).In this village never arrive such kinds of News papers, nor people ever heard about it !!. you said Condom, I wonder that how could you use it?? Are you talking about woman condom ??
In my village, we play it like balloon for holly water festival by using it to fill water and enjoy watering to others. So what is wrong there ?? Will you happy laugh at those innocent people who are doing right and nothing wrong. But to laugh, sad or to cry is because of you western guys who are known as educated do sex taste with animals monkey and infected HIV/ AIDS bring in Nepal !! And how madly you are asking that why there are not any sex education in Nepal ??

bla bla Says:

November 28th, 2005 at 2:10 am
sano baini ji
u must live in farming cummunity in wisconsin i dont know how the girl in picture look like wh$re. may be u should show your picture from one of your weekend party (all drunk and fuc%%%d up ). then we will judge who would look like a wh$re.

chankhe Says:

November 28th, 2005 at 3:13 am
hey guys,

listen to Prachanda’s bbc interview…it is a real fierce

sex ko kura bhanda rajniti ko kura sunna maja aunchha

sanobahini Says:

November 28th, 2005 at 10:20 am
dinesh, what did you expect by putting a topic like this on your blog? by reading some of the immature and frankly illogical and rude comments of other posts, it is not surprising to see that a serious topic has turned into a joke. It is no wonder Nepal is falling off a cliff, politically and, it seems, sexually, as AiDS is reaching epidemic proportions.

I agree, stick to the fact that the BBC Nepali newscast has been censored, and a radio station raided yet again. that is the real topic of concern. Let these other idiots who don’t have a clue about how to honestly talk about healthy sexuality and how to protect oneself and ones family from a disease that has no cure, where you ultimately die, let them keep on doing their primitive and ignorant behaviour and spreading disease.

you know, the more I read this blog, the more I realize why Nepal is falling apart. The total idiocy of some of the people who respond to your blogs is simply ASTOUNDING. You are truly living in the dark ages.

zpt Says:

November 28th, 2005 at 2:14 pm
So wht’s this fuss about no sex education in Nepal..If our govt has done a commendable work in anything it is health.What do u guys know by just stayin in the luxury of the cities..go to the villages even the Chepangs know of the condoms. N Gaule keta ur all ur pretense abt being innocent was nothing but annoying. So keen to learn about sex , why not try multiple options in the net. Nobody is keen on knowing whatever u used to do in ur “village”.

hawkeye Says:

November 28th, 2005 at 11:24 pm
I don’t think most of the frequenters are from kathmandu, eventhought they might have settled down here. My assumption and surely could be wrong

bibas Says:

November 29th, 2005 at 1:55 am
sanobahini!

For your kind information, Nepal is among the first nations to introduce health and population related course as a mandatory subject in high school(lower level) in Asia itself. No doubt, informal sex education in Nepal lags far behind but still by now I am pretty much sure every SLC graduate(10th grade if you are confused) is aware of sex related issues from methods of spread to use of protective devices. I know in US parents do not hesitate to watch porns along with their children. I was ashamed when I visited a friend of mine in New York and ended up watching a porn along with his parents and sisters. It might be informative but sometimes there are certain limitations and hesitations. May be we are behind because of this…isn’t it Sanobahini?
It is weird to see posts which assume lack of knowledge in this matter. Guys, wake up! Sanobahini shouldn’t be the one to teach you sex education.There are plenty of resources one can find in the internet if you are really unaware of such issues.

till then…cheers!

Aakash Says:

November 29th, 2005 at 9:44 am
I have nothing to say about this poorly written and meaningless article. It lacks relevant data and research to call it a survey. Whatever you wrote, everyone knows it.

But what I hated about the article are the lines:
“Back in our office, the gorgeous and sizzling lady model was willingly giving numerous poses tinged with sex appeal. Her male partner was rather shy making the traditional credo topsy-turvy. ”

You have called the models to pose for your article. And probably they are professional models and they surely do not have any problems posing for you. But then, how fare it is to write a report with such comments. Don’t you think you are doing injustice for the lady model by writing those lines. What do you mean that the guy is rather shy and the girl was rather gorgeous and sizzling and was willing to pose for those pics. I do not feel the guy was shy either. If you think it was erotic picture, then why did you ask them to take pics in those poses….Don’t you think there is something wrong with you rather than the models ??

I just wonder how the editors of this blog allowed this writeup. Don’t you do editing? Or just because they are your friends, you put it as it is.

Nepal Flag Says:

November 29th, 2005 at 12:49 pm
SEX IS GOOOOD FOR HEALTH. THERE ARE DIFFRENT WAY YOU CAN DO SEX. I LIKE 69. SEX IS SURELY PLEASURE. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WIHT SEX. BY THE WAY, EVERY ONE IS NAKED IN BED ANYWAY. FREE SEX FREE SOCEITY, NO MORE TIME FOR DIRTY POLITICS…..

sanobahini Says:

November 29th, 2005 at 10:11 pm
Rather than get this topic (which was originaly about the so called “survey” of sex workers in the kathmandu valley) off track again, let’s get to the crux of the issue. It is not porn. Porn is all over the world. In fact, if you want to read and look at porn, fine, do it! It is your right in a free society as long as you don’t harm others doing so! it is the right of UWB to publish the photos accompanying the text above, even though the articles I personally found offensive, not because of the photos themselves (They are tame compared to what any of us see on tv and movies any day of the week) but because of their inappropriateness related to the topic.

But the crux of the issue is that in most of nepal, yes, even in kathmandu, young people (even well off, educated ones) are not always practicing safe sex, and the outcome can be deadly.

Here, from the UN:

Introduction

Over the last years the HIV/AIDS epidemic in Nepal has gained ground, and Nepal has progressed from a â??low prevalenceâ?? country to one with a so-called concentrated epidemic in certain sub-groups of the population (e.g. sex workers, injecting drug users). For Nepal the window of opportunity is closing fast to effectively address the epidemic. Without mounting a vigorous, broad-based response now, AIDS may become the leading cause of death in the age group 15-49 years over the next ten years.

HIV/AIDS epidemiological situation1

DataDate
Reported HIV cases4861Mar-05
Reported AIDS cases871Mar-05
Estimated number of adults & children living with HIV/AIDS62000End 20032
Estimated adult and child mortality due to HIV/AIDS2500End 2003
Estimated number of new HIV infections93002003
HIV prevalence
IDUs (Katmmandu Valley)68%2002
Sex Workers (Street-based in Kathmandu Valley)15.60%2002
STI patients0.7-6.62000
Blood donors
Kathmandu0.59%2002/2003
Nationwide0.442002/2003
Ante-natal Care0.20%2000

Epidemiological factors
Predominant mode of transmission is sexual contact, presumably mainly heterosexual

Limited information available about homosexual/bisexual transmission

Highest rates of HIV have been identified in injecting drug users (IDUs)

Data indicate that risk behaviors are widespread among female sex workers (FSWs), their clients, IDUs, labour migrants and young people

Current estimated HIV infection rate – 0.5% of the adult population between the ages of 15 – 49

here is evidence of an explosive increase in the number of infections since 1996

Increasing levels of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) reported
Nepalâ??s vulnerability to HIV/AIDS
A national situation analysis3 identified the following groups as the most vulnerable to HIV/AIDS in Nepal:
Young people

Mobile populations

Female sex workers

Men who have sex with men

Injecting drug users

Children

bibas Says:

November 30th, 2005 at 12:12 am
I admit there is a severe problem in Nepal but I hate the way Sanobahini depicts the story. May be we are having a hell of a life in Nepal but don’t forget the people in your backyard too.

Here are some facts about Aids in USA…

1. In 2002, it is estimated that 41289 people were diagnosed with AIDS. There was still a desperate need for education in America – a study showed that approximately “50% of Americans” still believed that they could acquire HIV through everyday contact.

2. In 2003, it is estimated that 43171 people were diagnosed with AIDS.

Race % of AIDS cases in 2003â? % of population in 2003â?¡
White, non-Hispanic 28% 69%
African American 50% 13%
Latino(-a) 20% 14%
Asian/Pacific Islander 1% 3%
American Indian/Alaska Native 1% 1%

â? Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, 2003 (Vol. 15)
â?¡ Kaiser Family Foundation HIV/AIDS Policy Factsheet – December 2004

So, you have the resources and education to deal with the problem? Consider the minorities-50% of the cases are found among african americans while their share of total population was just 13%…and the fact that still 50% of americans believe that hiv spreads through everyday contact….more information to follow:

a 2004 survey found that whilst 99% of Americans knew that having unprotected intercourse and sharing an IV needle might transmit HIV, 38% thought that it could be transmitted by kissing, 25% by sharing a drinking glass, and 18% thought that they could be infected by touching a toilet seat.25……

source:AVERT

Gaule Keta Says:

November 30th, 2005 at 12:50 am
What the old stale facts are there!?? Look chicken, here it is the fresh one,, The first case of AIDS in Nepal was reported in 1988. As of December 2001, UNAIDS estimated that 38,000 people were living with HIV/AIDS, and 3,500 AIDS-related deaths had occurred. As of March 2002, MOH reported 585 AIDS cases and 2243 HIV positives.

In female who inject drugs, HIV prevalence was 70 percent as of 2000.

Nepal runs the risk of an increased epidemic due to an active sex trade and high rates of girl trafficking to India for sex work. It is estimated that approximately 100,000 Nepalese are engaged in commercial sex work in India.

in January 2004, Nepalâ??s Ministry of Health reported 3,388 HIV infections and 708 AIDS cases.

by march 2005, Gvt of Nepal 4,862 living with the infections and 441 who had death of AIDS, new cases during 2005 totaled 106, and it is 0.52 percent among general polulation. GOT ??

What is this ?
Canning town of London ??
OR
Cunning town of USA ??

I read some news recently about USA, official says: A housewife who had seen with teenage schoolboys and plied them with drugs and alcohol in her bid to be a ” cool mum ” has been jailed for 30 years.

Official claim she had sex with five teenage pupils, including her own daughter’s boyfriend, although she admitted only two counts. Report said.

Gaule Keta says: Beware of with westeners , we are not to belive at all of those whatever they says who cares ? nor count ! who knows son rape mom, and where offen ??

“Proud to be a Nepalese Gaule Keta” Dhanyawad !

Gaule Keta Says:

November 30th, 2005 at 1:11 am
Thanx wagle
for your sencorship ma pr2805comment, let me post it once more ,,nothing much to sayâ?¦â?¦just having funny to discuss with western chicken . It is no surprised widow looking nice guy through internet like meh huhâ?¦It was really icthing that how fiercely became mad by reading my clues. I want to ask you Wagle , what the hell she need ? tell meh now,,rite now ?? …we have nothing to get and nothing to lost….isn’t it ??????????????? Thank you all guys in here reading my slogan but look, iâ??m for sure do not trying to put anyone dizzy into blackmagic, it was just my psycholocal taste in here by writing some exciting words, It may not surprise if tomorrow Iâ??d an assignment of my survey on the topic: “Western Womenâ??s Reaction on Sexual Conduct” or WWRSC. So I got something through and found some points to talk about in my class for tomorrow. It was absolutely I met wrong wrinckle number chicken here!! I guess
Gaule Keta says: “How the meterials are highly developed in the western countries but less their mind is. So I canâ??t deny compare them like money as I said up there”.

Mero desh, mero Nepal.

mika Says:

December 5th, 2005 at 5:40 pm
hi Sanobahini,

My god you are being eaten up alive by these ignorant men! How pathetic are them making this alarming serious topic into a joke blunder…. You know one thing, no one knows the extent of this disease until it happens to themselves…..I have seen AIDS victims and know how much they suffer. It’s NO JOKE!!

What’s the use in comparing USA with nepal in terms of AIDS? USA is 60 times bigger than Nepal!! Compared to USA, Nepal’s AIDS victimes are wayyy more percentage wise…….Yes, USA has AIDS victims too that’s why they want to spread the sex education, knowledge about it so that developing countries like nepal can benefit. And especially women of Nepal who have no clue about sex education let alone their body and about protection. And what’s the problem with this??? If you are sexually active do u even know that u yourself might be transmitted with STDs? Do you check up regularly buddy before acting like you know everything?

If these guys wanna be gaule “ignorant” than what can I say? Are u proud of being ignorant in this century? Give me a break! It gets no more pathetic than a person calling himself ignorant and being proud of it lol! Don’t get these gaules let u down sanobahini…..

Hot or Nuts Nepali Says:

December 19th, 2005 at 4:09 pm
Keep it up Prakash………

rachalica Says:

January 2nd, 2006 at 12:57 pm
condom producers have made sex a game which can be purchased. condom sales has increased as most of sex survey are conducted by condom producers. but it should not be game. it should be a pure way to continuing living thing by reproduction.

King Gyanendra Should Backtrack: Biswonath Upadhyaya

Biswonath Upadhyaya, former Chief Justice of Nepal, says election organized by the king will not be fair and independent

Those days: Back in 1990 when people, victorious after the successful Mass Movement, went back to the streets demanding immediate promulgation of the constitution drafted by the Constitution Recommendation Commission. People organized demonstrations like this one after they knew that the palace was preparing to release its own version of the constitution ignoring the one prepared by the Commission. All b&w pics by Gopal Chitrakar. Bishonath Upadhyaa (pic below by Bikash Karki), chairman of the Commission, now says that the king has brazenly encroached upon the constitution. A mother shouts for the people’s constitution (below). Ganesh Man Singh, the supreme commander of the mass movement of 1990, warns a gathering of law students of dire consequences to the country if the king refrains from endorsing the draft constitution submitted by the Commission.

“The backbone of the Constitution of Nepal, 1990 is that the statue has entrusted the sovereignty in the hands of people. But the king’s move to dismiss an elected Prime Minister on Oct 2002 has confiscated people’s rights and broken that backbone. That was more serious encroachment of the constitution than Feb.’s takeover. If we are to move ahead with this constitution the king should backtrack.” Balkrishna Basnet of Kantipur daily asked Bishonath Upadyaya, the former CJ and one of the formulators of the present constitution, a few questions on the eve of 15th Constitution Day (Nov.9). The orginal version of this interview appeared on the Nov. 9 issue of Kantipur.

What situation the constitution is in now?

The constitution has been encroached, it’s not died or wounded. It doesn’t die even if the king tries to kill it. And this doesnâ t survive only by writing on the paper that it is still alive. There is no written constitution in the United Kingdom. The constitution is functioning there because of their commitment to that. We too have commitment but that is not in the action. Only people have the right to say if this constitution is good or not.

How do you take the royal moves of Oct 2002 and Feb 2005 in terms of violation of the constitution?

Everything happened in Oct. 2002. The king shook the base of this constitution by declaring that the sovereignty lies in him, not with people. That is against the commitment expressed by the then King Birendra. One king violated the commitment that was shown by the other king. It is said that we should never trust a king. My grandmother used to say me when I was a child that we should stay away from king, fire and the water. These are never dependable. They will destroy as and when they get chance. King has done the same. This is the reason why everything seems to be collapsing.

So the problem is not with the constitution?

No. What’s wrong with constitution? Nothing. The problem is the king’s ambition and royalist attitude. We should confront these problems, not the constitution.

How much right the constitution has given to the king?

The constitution hasn’t given the king to show the ambition and power like this. If he is to abide by the statue, the constitution has given the rights to decide on just two topics. 1) To appoint employees in the royal palace, and 2) To choose an heir to the throne. Nothing more than that. Rest happen as per the recommendation of elected representatives.
What’s the power equation like when there is no elected government in place?

This constitution hasn’t envisioned a scenario sans an elected government. If you behave constitutionally, no situation will come where there we don’t have an elected government. Why? Because if a PM resigns, he should continue functioning until a new one is elected. That’s the constitutional provision. That system was destroyed forcefully. Constitution doesn’t have medicine for those who use force.

How about drafting a new constitution?

We should first understand how and when we reach in such a situation that allows us to make a new constitution. No constitution is drafted just because someone speaks for that. An atmosphere should be created for that. King should say that he is prepared to face any kind of risk to make a new constitution from constituent assembly. Or the situation should be such that there is no king. Otherwise we can’t make new constitution. What’s the roadmap of parties to take us to that situation?

People have been strongly talking about cast, regionalism, and communalism. We are also talking about inclusive democracy. But democracy itself is inclusive and it treats all equally. Equal means inclusive. This gives equal opportunity to all.
Don’t you think some people revolted against this constitution because it didnâ t provide equal opportunities?

No, it has provided. But those who were supposed to implement it didnâ t provide. They didn’t hold that capability. This is not the fault of the constitution. If you don’t study and remain ignorant, the constitution doesn’t force you to study. A class is there that has been repressed by the rest of the society for centuries. They are dalits. They didn’t get chance to rise up and assimilated into the society. They were deprived of religious practices. Society has done crime by barring them from all these things.

Why couldn’t the constitution cover these problems?

It has covered. It has talked about providing them special facilities. Did we implement that? And now you talk about structural change? Why not yesterday? The constitution has clearly talked about reservation for dalits, women and children. There is provision in the constitution that lets governments to make separate laws for them. Everyone has formed the government. Why didn’t they do that?

Rumor is that the palace might bring another constitution.

I have already said if the king brings another constitution, he might be able to continue with that for about 2 to 4 years with the help of army. After that people will draft a new constitution. And king will have no place in that constitution.

Why?

Because by then people will be completely fed up with the king. Now too people are fade up with this king. But tomorrow, that hatred will increase in such a level that people will not give any place to the king in the constitution. But I don’t think the king will bring new constitution. King will continue enjoying rights he doesn’t have by misinterpreting this constitution.
But sovereign people will not wait for long. One day the king must be removed. For that we have to create national and international pressure against this king or remove him forcefully. A force could defeat another force. If people don’t help, the state can’t function for a day. All lawyers, journalists, teachers, civil servants should stop helping this regime. We should bring such a situation that we can defeat him forcefully. There is no other option.

What kind of force are you talking about?

Like that of the Maoists’. But it will take time for that.

Do you think political parties and civil society have started creating public opinion for that?

No. There is no agenda at first. That is a thing to worry about. One says we will go for loktantra (democracy). Another says, we will go for loktantrik republicanism (democratic republicanism). I think that we can’t return back to the place that we lost. Going to republicanism means leaping forward. What will happen if a limped person wishes to leap? There is a possibility of being dumped.
First we make sure that we have got what we lost (parliament). Lets stand firm on that. Then only we talk about next step. If you can, then leap forward. I am not against that. But we should think if that is practical or not.

If we start bargaining for the head of state just like what we are doing with the head of government (Prime Minister) today and if the head of state tilts toward a NGO or a political party instead of being independent, everything will be finished. We should not just play with people. I have no prejudice on this. I am a student of law and constitution. I am a democrat. My wish is that Nepal should have a democratic system. My rights should be secured be that in republican Nepal or in constitutional monarchy.
What’s your thought on the polls?

No polls can be organized without first establishing peace. That means Maoists have to lay down their weapons first. We can’t have a fair and independent election under the auspicious of the king. No one will go for voting under fear. Fairness means no one should be deprived of voting rights. If I can’t go to vote because of fear, that can’t be a fair election for me. That is why freedom is important. To say no for voting is also an electoral right. You can say I won’t vote. If you are to vote, you should be able to do so on your own wish. Maoists have already announced that they would reduce the height by 6 inches of any one who participates in the election. So who will take that path?

But the king has already announced the general elections.

Well, we saw elections (referendum) in 2036 BS as well. Armies were in charge of voting booths. If armies are to count votes, election will happen. Results will be declared. We can set up voting booths in the district headquarters and act like voting only in those places. That will be a good show off. And there will be some people who will say loudly that those elections were fair.
So you conclude that no fair elections can be organized now.

Yes. No elections can be held under the auspicious of the king. If that happens, all the former panchas will come back in the parliament as new members. They will create a new constitution that will have provision of autocratic monarchy. To hold elections today means restoring Panchayat. What is the guarantee that the king won’t dismiss government formed after this election? That is why the king should first abandon the path of autocracy. He should announce that he has abandoned autocracy. He should declare that sovereignty no longer lies within himself. He should declare that sovereignty lies in the hands of people. He should declare publicly that he would not do anything without the recommendation of major political parties. Maoists should assure that they would not use arms against voters. Otherwise no elections can be organized just because the king has announced.

Are parties right in declaring that they would boycott elections?

Yes. Otherwise all actions taken by the king will be legitimized to some extent. All those royal misdeeds might me accepted nationally and internationally. The real intention of this government is not to see parties participating in the elections and win majority. It wants them to participate somehow and see them loose. King has already recruited his people- zonal and district administrators. Those administrators who have beaten up CDS will not spare anyone.

That means no problem will be solved without first king coming back to his original position?

King must return back to his original position. King can’t hold elections without first doing that. There is no meaning parties reach an agreement with the king in this situation.

30 Responses to “‘King Gyanendra Should Backtrack’”

1. Govindey Says:
November 9th, 2005 at 8:33 pm

Two people I respect the most in Nepal; Ganesh Man Singh and Vishwanath Upadhaya.

2. brad Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 2:32 am

very solid and pursuasive arguement. Vishwanath Upadhaya has reached the height and has shown his maturity and he is visionery. Removal of monarchy by any means and at any cost is the only way out.

3. Sanjay Das Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 4:00 am

My salute to Bishwanath Upadhaya as well !

4. Visionary Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 6:48 am

Ditto !!

5. Chandan Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 10:30 am

Bishwanath Upadhaya deserves salute…no stinginess in it…

6. slama Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 11:53 am

Bishwanath Upadhyay knows very well that there are many flaws in our 1990 constitution. He is just defending it because he is one of it’s authors. People like Upadhyay (many make him a hero here) have made a constitution which make people like him and the Judiciary very very powerful, but parliament and democracy is not catered for with the same vigour that the people who fought for it had. It was a rush job catering to the needs of the judiciary and not the greater need of the people.

7. whtever Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 11:58 am

this is just wht we all feel n i guess our dear king understands it quite well. we have allowed the royals to rule us for 217 yrs or more and no one stopped them for workin for the people. the king only seems to have that habitual power practice in his blood chainin him to his own justified “creative” actions..and as the VNU has stated above we are livin in a historical moment with us the nepalese on the brink of statelessness. political parties are boycotting the elections but they should focus more on bringin people on their side..

they should rather influece the people to boycott the elections. all the political forces seem to be overlookin the people’s power. and as a person brought up in the post democracy era all the political forces seem to have created a kind of frustration in the youths.. Nepal lacks the leadership its people can look forward too..the GP and MKN era is over now and to gain support the political parties should accept their fallacies and come down on their knees in front of the people.
and i don’t think even after 8 or more mths of this turmoil anything is going happen unless every single youth like myself feels they should be out participatin in the revolution for the change. sometimes i wonder why even a politically aware mass of people like me is not motivated enough to break this silence and MAKING THINGS HAPPEN

8. Nepali Flag Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 12:16 pm

Did not Gireeja and Biswanath sold the TANAKPUR ??
9. Right Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 12:48 pm
Everyone is wrong here. So they should committ and promise to the people first then they should compromise to continue the constitution. Changes maybe required not on the power but for the behalf of the people.
If not compromised all three mayget; CHAUTA KHANA GAEKO BUDHI JHOL MA DUBERA MORI”
So don’t compel India to come in between.
10. whtever Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 2:09 pm
hey nepali flag in the context of tanakpur. it was Girija’s fault as acc to constitution any treaty related to natural resource should be brought in discussion in the parliament.. but that never did happen and the most irritating and frustratin part is our control is only on 4% of the water resources of Mahakali..after the integrated Tanakpur agreement.. we need new people in politics…
11. Duke Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
If one goes to Tanakpur, you feel like crying. They just gave of us one small door of water which is also controlled by the Indian government. Whole Mahakali took it by India. Trishuli was another nearest point to bring drinking water for Kathmandu, but due to Gandaki submission to India we cannot take water from Trishuli without Indian government conscent. What a pity being a Nepali………
12. Duke Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 5:23 pm
The last one left Karnali…..
13. Manan Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 10:12 pm
I don’t understand how you say the former Chief Justice “sold” Tanakpur? Blame Girija Koirala, but to state that the Upadhyay was also involved is ludicrous.
Its well known he’s one of the most principled men in Nepal. And even if there were flaws in the constitution, that doesn’t mean its overall thrust is wrong.
Frankly, “the King” has no right to intervene here. Its the people and their constitution. If they want to, they can leave him out. For ever.
14. krishna Says:
November 10th, 2005 at 10:39 pm
manan
you are right since feb 1 all royalists claim that KG is only honest person in nepal. The fact that there are many people with strong principles in nepal who dont care about what this bhaimara king and his barking dogs say is too humiliating for royalists so they are planning trying to malign everybody to show KG in better light.. but proving even every body chor will not make KG a great man in contrast coz he is well known smuggler “the murti chor”.
15. hawkeye Says:
November 11th, 2005 at 12:06 am
krishna,
to me you are the murderer, no other
16. krishna Says:
November 11th, 2005 at 12:21 am
hawkeye
but your king says it was dipendra… dont u trust your king?
17. Nepali Flag Says:
November 11th, 2005 at 3:09 am
Biswanath iterpreted law wrongly in the question of Tanakpur. He gave thumbs up to Gireeja and gave favour to India. Did not he go against Nepalese people. And now, whatever he is saying just serving India’s interest again, it would be much better if Gireeja come to power again to him.
18. Sparsha Says:
November 11th, 2005 at 3:16 am
I salute Viswonath Upadhayaji.
I also feel strongly that not too far from now we are going to end up without king. His days are numbered.
In the process of surviving how many Nepalese people this guy is going to kill thaqt is the biggest worry unfortunately.
19. Ethics Says:
November 11th, 2005 at 3:51 pm
I do not understand if somebody is doing mistake then he should be considered as wrong doers. If KG is doing mistake then he should be considered as wrong-doers. If Girija is doing mistake he should be consider as wrong-doers. That is what bring our society and democracy strong. Why to differentiate the mistakes? One should apologise the mistakes to correct it for the future. Then the trust of the people will be strong.
20. krishna Says:
November 11th, 2005 at 5:11 pm
Ethics
very true it does not matter who you are you should admit your mistakes and follow is up to correct it.
One thing is surprising though KG is strengthning democracy as he says then why is he always against democratic parties? will strong democratic party mean less stronger democracy??
21. Ethics Says:
November 11th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
I agree with your point KG should consult the strong and main party for the the future democracy. And party should be very clear in their vision to drive nation in peaceful way.
22. nepal_nepal Says:
November 12th, 2005 at 8:41 am
Dear all nationalists
I remember Bishwanath left for USA to live with his family because of what he did to the country he was ashamed. Now he is back thinking people might have forgotten it.
Do you know that “His secreat links with the Indian government was disclosed”. If people don’t remember u can try finding it again.
so i suggest “Think before saluting anyone”.
He is the one who intentionally left so many loopholes in the constitution. A very weak constitution made for people.
Now the King(i regard him as a politicain not a king) is playing his games using these inherent weakness in the constitution.
People like Girija, Bishwanath are triumph cards for India. They have served them very well.
Gyanendra is no different, he is serving his greed. The greed that is directing him to execute undemocratically. He might be afraid for the continuity of Shah Dynasty in Nepal. Even he knows that it is getting weaker. he might not know his acts are making it more weaker.
Remember the people who made the constitution.
Don’t you think all were royalists.
1. Bishwa nath was once a stauch royalist.
2. Surya Nath Upadh…. another royalist
3. Daman Nath Dhungana(now people know where belonged)
4. others not very important
I still suspect if King will invite Giriaj one day secreatly and offers him Prime Ministership he will not say no. And according to the King. He is no diferent that Giri or Bista. I think Nepali people must have girija very well.
23. nepal_nepal Says:
November 12th, 2005 at 8:44 am
correctrion
And Act according to the King. He is no diferent that Giri or Bista. I think Nepali people must have girija very well.
24. nepal_nepal Says:
November 12th, 2005 at 8:46 am
correction
I still suspect if oneday King secreatly invites Girija and offers him Prime Ministership he will not say no. And act according to the King. He is no diferent than Giri or Bista.
I think Nepali people must have known girija very well.
25. Manan Says:
November 12th, 2005 at 11:19 pm
Just because someone was a royalist once doesn’t mean he or she has to stay one forever. Do you have to be born as an advocate of democracy? No, you can change your mind.
26. sgurung Says:
November 13th, 2005 at 12:49 pm
No, one can change their views if it is progressive, but we have to be careful of swingers and of people who have their interests with other nations also.

27. hawkeye Says:
November 16th, 2005 at 3:24 am
krishna,
But it is not NEPAL’s king who said that, but NEPAL’s politician taranath ranabhat who said it, state your facts right before you pointing your finger at anyone.
but then again, having read your posts I know what your next respons is to be…. KING MADE HIM SAY IT…. uffffffff

28. hawkeye Says:
November 16th, 2005 at 3:28 am
and to add to this… I’ll say.. INDIA IS MAKING YOU SAY ALL WHAT YOU”VE BEEN SAYING… your pockets are being filled

29. All leaders Says:
November 17th, 2005 at 4:41 pm
Democracy brought by India will not last long. To become democratic one should act like democrats and should feel that he has responsibility to fullfill the need of the people. To become democrat, he should feel that he is representing 27 million of people not the party, his candidates and his relatives.

30. Green Mountain Says:
November 24th, 2005 at 8:55 pm

What is surprised if king run election?
It is people known that parties are unable to run democracy so king takeover the power. If not surely India will back to takeover the power to slavery rule .I really don’t want to be like Tibetan ” homeless child ”